[00:15] <Unit193> So anyone trying out the nightingale music manager?
[00:20] <skellat> Hadn't heard of it
[00:20] <skellat> Where is it packaged?
[00:22] <Unit193> Release and nightly ppas only.
[00:22] <Unit193> (Or an Ubuntu Needs-packaging.)
[00:26] <Unit193> yanoyanoyanoyanoyanoyanoyano: There's a weather channel for every state, no?
[02:26] <thafreak> wait, is nightingale related to songbird?
[02:29] <skellat> According to Launchpad it is.
[02:29] <skellat> Hold on
[02:29] <skellat> https://launchpad.net/nightingale
[02:29] <jenni> [ Nightingale in Launchpad ] - http://j.mp/12Mncqh
[02:31] <skellat> And then there is this: http://getnightingale.com/
[02:31] <jenni> [ Nightingale ] - http://j.mp/12MnoGa
[02:32] <skellat> Their detector isn't too swift though as it suggests a 32-bit x86 download...and Firefox telegraphs that it is armhf in this case as I'm sitting at the BeagleBoard
[02:37] <Unit193> thafreak: Yeah, fork basically, and songbird announced today that Songbird is dead.
[02:37] <Unit193> thafreak: http://blog.songbirdnest.com/you-gotta-know-when-to-fold-em/
[02:37] <jenni> [ You gotta know when to fold ‘em | News from the Nest ] - http://j.mp/12MnZaC
[02:41] <skellat> Choqok announced it was being handed over to community support yesterday too: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Choqok-Twitter-client-handed-over-to-community-1887989.html
[02:41] <jenni> [ Choqok Twitter client handed over to community - The H Open: News and Features ] - http://j.mp/12MojpZ
[02:45] <skellat> And I went off of pidgin-microblog not being Twitter API compliant now either: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/pidgin-microblog/+bug/1190406
[02:45] <jenni> [ Bug #1190406 “pidgin-microblog: Plugin is not Twitter API 1.1 Co...” : Bugs : “pidgin-microblog” package : Debian ] - http://j.mp/12MoGAJ
[02:48] <skellat> Though this does not really bode well: http://code.google.com/p/microblog-purple/issues/detail?id=269
[02:48] <jenni> [ Issue 269 - microblog-purple - Plugin is not Twitter API 1.1 Compliant? - Libpurple (Pidgin) plug-in supporting microblog services like Twitter - Google Project Hosting ] - http://j.mp/12MoQIy
[02:48]  * Unit193 may or may not start using pidgin-torchat
[02:50] <skellat> I dunno.  There's more than Tor out there.  Freenet and GNUnet provide options too.
[02:51] <Unit193> So?  If you were to say something about using freenet, should I then say you can use tor? :P
[02:51] <Unit193> And wasn't freenet java?
[02:52] <skellat> I think so
[02:52] <skellat> PCWorld just did a piece trying to popularize Freenet for the general public
[02:52] <skellat> Capitalizing on the nastiness of the NSA leaks ASAP
[02:54] <Unit193> It is, so not interested. :P
[02:54] <skellat> Are we moving to the end times of shunning not just Java but Flash too?
[02:55] <Unit193> Eh?
[02:56] <Unit193> Was I2P anything interesting?
[02:56] <skellat> Meh, coulda swore there was an ubuntu-release discussion about the end of support for Flash on Linux and how it wasn't going to be such a bad thing in the end for everybody
[02:57] <Unit193> It should be a bit yet.
[02:59] <skellat> I2P was tangentially connected to FreedomBox...the hope & promise of a project that remains mired in the problem of not having enough engineers to throw at it to build something that is actually usable and deployable for developers let alone end-users.
[02:59] <Unit193> So basically it is just Tor. :P
[03:01] <skellat> No
[03:01] <skellat> It wanted to adopt a different communication routing method
[03:01] <skellat> Not the shell game that Tor is
[03:02] <Unit193> No, I meant the only real option is Tor, then. ;)
[03:02] <skellat> Software alone is just part of the solution set, though
[03:02] <skellat> How you use it matters, though
[03:03] <skellat> Some of the bigger intelligence coups the NSA has had against opponents, as documented by James Bamford in the various books he's written about the agency, usually relate to the abuse & misuse of the secure tools provided to users.
[03:04] <skellat> James Bamford is a chronicler of the NSA's history and his writing is very easy to engage with
[03:06] <skellat> Prior to the Snowden revelations, a lot of detail about signals intelligence work came out in court cases in Florida against captured Cuban spies
[03:07] <skellat> Those details are generally public knowledge and in the papers.  The most recent such case was known as "The Cuban Five".
[03:08] <skellat> In their situation, they had reasonably good tools.  The tools alone were misused, though.  The tools did not save them from NSA due to the misuse.  A little more care on their part and they might have avoided NSA a little more.
[03:32]  * skellat wanders away
[17:11] <Unit193> thafreak: And think I fixed the graphics issues.
[17:40] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1173649 Chris little crapper....
[17:40] <jenni> [ Bug #1173649 “incorrect color depth - intel graphics card” : Bugs : “xserver-xorg-video-intel” package : Ubuntu ] - http://j.mp/12Nssdf
[21:02]  * skellat had forgotten how paranoid the folks on the "liberationtech" mailing list are and is yet bothered that he cannot understand why they'd discuss targeting & killing select TCP traffic flows w/o any particular context in their threads