| OvenWerks | Mint seems to be installing for me this time. | 00:28 |
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| OvenWerks | With Cinnamon I have to switch the settings manager to "Advanced" just so I can have focus follows mind.... err mouse. | 03:02 |
| OvenWerks | Cinnamon has three modes. 3D, which I have never seen :) 2D(3d with software rendering) very slow... like unity on this machine, so prolly the same thing. | 04:09 |
| OvenWerks | The third mode is "fallback" mode. Which works best for me, but lots of things don't seem to work in the pannel. | 04:10 |
| OvenWerks | LinuxMint also has the mate DE which I tried. It works ok. | 04:10 |
| OvenWerks | None of the menu config files are XDG compliant (no suprise) | 04:11 |
| OvenWerks | Mate seems to ignore any merge files... even when I fix the config file. | 04:13 |
| OvenWerks | Cinnamon works if I fix the config file, but does not show submenus. | 04:14 |
| OvenWerks | Fallback mode works very well with a fixed config menu. | 04:22 |
| OvenWerks | I am thinking these are based on gnome shell 3 but not the latest one which of coarse no fallback mode. as I found with ubuntu gnome. | 04:23 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, seems like so many flavours are doing both alphas this cycle. | 10:31 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: Well, perhaps they have a good reason to do that | 10:33 |
| zequence | I don't see any good reason for us to do that | 10:33 |
| smartboyhw | Yep, we only need betas. | 10:35 |
| smartboyhw | (Or single beta?) | 10:35 |
| zequence | two betas is probably better | 10:35 |
| zequence | 1st beta is feature freeze | 10:35 |
| smartboyhw | yep | 10:35 |
| zequence | between betas we fix all bugs | 10:35 |
| zequence | 2nd beta could be regarded as release candidate | 10:36 |
| zequence | gives us enough time | 10:36 |
| smartboyhw | zequence: Sure;) | 10:38 |
| smartboyhw | I'm thinking though: Would it be difficult to test after we made multiple DEs? | 10:39 |
| zequence | well, ardour3 is more or less ready to be released. trying to get some help with that from pkg-multimedia team members | 12:01 |
| zequence | so, hopefully we'll have it within a week or two | 12:01 |
| zequence | it also seems like we'll be going forward with splitting up jackd and jackdbus | 12:28 |
| zequence | also sorting out the dev files | 12:28 |
| smartboyhw | What did I miss? | 12:33 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: jackd2 is going to be repackaged in Debian | 12:47 |
| smartboyhw | yeah | 12:47 |
| smartboyhw | *yay | 12:47 |
| zequence | http://worldofgnome.org/how-to-create-a-lightweight-custom-gnome-shell-fork/ | 13:19 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: all of that sounds good. | 14:19 |
| OvenWerks | I am hoping to have the new menus ready as well | 14:20 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: I think menus are one of the first steps for using other DEs | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks: Sure | 14:22 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: I have seen that just having a good menu install in lubuntu or kubuntu really changes the feel of that DE. Add the kernel and one of our metas and it is ready to go | 14:24 |
| OvenWerks | A utility to fix permisions and let the user choose what to install would finish it quite nicely. | 14:26 |
| zequence | I think our users will highly appreciate the menu working on other DEs | 14:26 |
| OvenWerks | I have had good comments so far. | 14:26 |
| zequence | Well, I'm hoping we can straighten out the premission problem by changing it | 14:26 |
| OvenWerks | One of the problems I am seeing is that the freedesktop template is made in such a way that it is difficult to program correctly and so noone does. | 14:27 |
| zequence | I'll soon propose a new group to be used, instead of audio group | 14:27 |
| OvenWerks | Will there be a problem with getting that new group to be default for users? | 14:28 |
| zequence | but, what we won't have is a really nice and versitile volume applet/mixer | 14:28 |
| zequence | no, I don't think so. but using audio group by default on other flavors is not going to be allowed | 14:29 |
| OvenWerks | qamixer looks nice... but no one has kept it up. | 14:29 |
| zequence | since it's used for other stuff already | 14:29 |
| OvenWerks | Ya makes sense. | 14:29 |
| zequence | would be great to have a volume applet that was jack aware as well, with at least start/stop and settings functionality | 14:30 |
| OvenWerks | qamixer has profiles. So it could be made to work with any card. | 14:30 |
| OvenWerks | That is a starting point. That IMO is one of the biggest problems with the alsa mixers is that the user has a pile of controls but the names make no sense. | 14:31 |
| zequence | !info | 20:27 |
| zequence | !info ardour | 20:27 |
| ubottu | ardour (source: ardour): digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.8.14-2 (raring), package size 5223 kB, installed size 15507 kB | 20:27 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: am I to take it ardour will just become version 3.*? rather than two versions ardour? | 20:32 |
| OvenWerks | Probably the best way. | 20:32 |
| OvenWerks | If a user _has_ to have ardour2, they can always get it from ardour. | 20:33 |
| OvenWerks | Or try forcing an older version to load with synaptic. | 20:34 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: until now, ardour has been packaged as ardour3 | 21:10 |
| zequence | I mean, ardour3 has been packaged as ardour3, not as a replacement for ardour2 | 21:10 |
| zequence | I was just trying out that command earlier | 21:10 |
| OvenWerks | ok | 21:20 |
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