[00:28] <OvenWerks> Mint seems to be installing for me this time.
[03:02] <OvenWerks> With Cinnamon I have to switch the settings manager to "Advanced" just so I can have focus follows mind.... err mouse.
[04:09] <OvenWerks> Cinnamon has three modes. 3D, which I have never seen :) 2D(3d with software rendering) very slow... like unity on this machine, so prolly the same thing.
[04:10] <OvenWerks> The third mode is "fallback" mode. Which works best for me, but lots of things don't seem to work in the pannel.
[04:10] <OvenWerks> LinuxMint also has the mate DE which I tried. It works ok.
[04:11] <OvenWerks> None of the menu config files are XDG compliant (no suprise)
[04:13] <OvenWerks> Mate seems to ignore any merge files... even when I fix the config file.
[04:14] <OvenWerks> Cinnamon works if I fix the config file, but does not show submenus.
[04:22] <OvenWerks> Fallback mode works very well with a fixed config menu.
[04:23] <OvenWerks> I am thinking these are based on gnome shell 3 but not the latest one which of coarse no fallback mode. as I found with ubuntu gnome.
[10:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, seems like so many flavours are doing both alphas this cycle.
[10:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: Well, perhaps they have a good reason to do that
[10:33] <zequence> I don't see any good reason for us to do that
[10:35] <smartboyhw> Yep, we only need betas.
[10:35] <smartboyhw> (Or single beta?)
[10:35] <zequence> two betas is probably better
[10:35] <zequence> 1st beta is feature freeze
[10:35] <smartboyhw> yep
[10:35] <zequence> between betas we fix all bugs
[10:36] <zequence> 2nd beta could be regarded as release candidate
[10:36] <zequence> gives us enough time
[10:38] <smartboyhw> zequence: Sure;)
[10:39] <smartboyhw> I'm thinking though: Would it be difficult to test after we made multiple DEs?
[12:01] <zequence> well, ardour3 is more or less ready to be released. trying to get some help with that from pkg-multimedia team members
[12:01] <zequence> so, hopefully we'll have it within a week or two
[12:28] <zequence> it also seems like we'll be going forward with splitting up jackd and jackdbus
[12:28] <zequence> also sorting out the dev files
[12:33] <smartboyhw> What did I miss?
[12:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: jackd2 is going to be repackaged in Debian
[12:47] <smartboyhw> yeah
[12:47] <smartboyhw> *yay
[13:19] <zequence> http://worldofgnome.org/how-to-create-a-lightweight-custom-gnome-shell-fork/
[14:19] <OvenWerks> zequence: all of that sounds good.
[14:20] <OvenWerks> I am hoping to have the new menus ready as well
[14:21] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I think menus are one of the first steps for using other DEs
[14:22] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks:  Sure
[14:24] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I have seen that just having a good menu install in lubuntu or kubuntu really changes the feel of that DE. Add the kernel and one of our metas and it is ready to go
[14:26] <OvenWerks> A utility to fix permisions and let the user choose what to install would finish it quite nicely.
[14:26] <zequence> I think our users will highly appreciate the menu working on other DEs
[14:26] <OvenWerks> I have had good comments so far.
[14:26] <zequence> Well, I'm hoping we can straighten out the premission problem by changing it
[14:27] <OvenWerks> One of the problems I am seeing is that the freedesktop template is made in such a way that it is difficult to program correctly and so noone does.
[14:27] <zequence> I'll soon propose a new group to be used, instead of audio group
[14:28] <OvenWerks> Will there be a problem with getting that new group to be default for users?
[14:28] <zequence> but, what we won't have is a really nice and versitile volume applet/mixer
[14:29] <zequence> no, I don't think so. but using audio group by default on other flavors is not going to be allowed
[14:29] <OvenWerks> qamixer looks nice... but no one has kept it up.
[14:29] <zequence> since it's used for other stuff already
[14:29] <OvenWerks> Ya makes sense.
[14:30] <zequence> would be great to have a volume applet that was jack aware as well, with at least start/stop and settings functionality
[14:30] <OvenWerks> qamixer has profiles. So it could be made to work with any card.
[14:31] <OvenWerks> That is a starting point. That IMO is one of the biggest problems with the alsa mixers is that the user has a pile of controls but the names make no sense.
[20:27] <zequence> !info
[20:27] <zequence> !info ardour
[20:27] <ubottu> ardour (source: ardour): digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.8.14-2 (raring), package size 5223 kB, installed size 15507 kB
[20:32] <OvenWerks> zequence: am I to take it ardour will just become version 3.*? rather than two versions ardour?
[20:32] <OvenWerks> Probably the best way.
[20:33] <OvenWerks> If a user _has_ to have ardour2, they can always get it from ardour.
[20:34] <OvenWerks> Or try forcing an older version to load with synaptic.
[21:10] <zequence> OvenWerks: until now, ardour has been packaged as ardour3
[21:10] <zequence> I mean, ardour3 has been packaged as ardour3, not as a replacement for ardour2
[21:10] <zequence> I was just trying out that command earlier
[21:20] <OvenWerks> ok