[00:16] <David-A> lobi_: if different behaviours for different users (you and guest) it might be something in one of you dot-files. do you know how to move away dot-files?
[00:36] <lobi_> David-A: what do you think move away dot-files
[00:39] <David-A> to determine if there is a problem with a dot-file, move away dot-files, a few at a time, until the problem goes away. then we know it was a dot-file, and about what dot-file, and the problem is also fixed. afterwards, move back the non-problematic dot-files if you want.
[00:40] <David-A> lobi_: ^
[00:42] <lobi_> David-A: ok
[00:42] <lobi_> David-A: thanks
[00:42] <lobi_> I will check
[00:44] <David-A> lobi_: you can create a temporary directory ~/old-dotfiles, where you move them away, and from where you move them back afterwards, if you want.
[00:47] <David-A> lobi_: try first move away ~/.config , most xfce4 and thunar settings are there
[00:48] <David-A> lobi_: after you moved a dot-file, logout and login to test if the problem remains or not
[03:37] <Starcraftmazter> Hi, my X is hanging/crashing on startup when using more than one card for some reason http://pastebin.com/famTe4js http://pastebin.com/xY0RxUr0
[03:44] <Starcraftmazter> p-p-p-please respond
[03:50] <well_laid_lawn> Starcraftmazter:  I missed your question. What's up?
[03:51] <toothpick> who asked a question?
[03:51] <well_laid_lawn> I was going off Starcraftmazter's last post
[03:52] <toothpick> oh alright. is he still around?
[03:52] <toothpick> starcraft, do you have a problem with xubuntu?
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> there's a clue ^^
[03:52] <toothpick> lol true. well_laid_lawn
[03:53] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[03:53] <toothpick> hey bro. well_laid_lawn
[03:53] <toothpick> i just solved a problem of my own
[03:53] <well_laid_lawn> well done toothpick
[03:54] <well_laid_lawn> a big prob or little ?
[03:54] <toothpick> but can i tell you what the problem was?
[03:54] <well_laid_lawn> sure
[03:54] <toothpick> well kinda big problem. with the raid controller
[03:54] <toothpick> ok , i just took this VIA KT600 based computer off from local classified today
[03:54] <hank_> Hi all - need a hint here. New 13.04 install, no sound. pavuacontrol shows sound levels visually but just "dummy output" instead of sound card. No luck yet searching online. ANy suggestions?
[03:54] <well_laid_lawn> never tried using raid - how did you solve it
[03:54] <toothpick> i stopped using the onboard raid. for some strange reason
[03:55] <toothpick> every file was getting corrupted but strangely
[03:55] <toothpick> xubuntu never crashed
[03:55] <well_laid_lawn> hank_:  tried checking alsamixer in the terminal ?
[03:55] <toothpick> hank_: is your sound card picked up? what does sudo lshw report?
[03:56] <well_laid_lawn> toothpick:  sounds like that would have been hard to sort out then
[03:57] <toothpick> the problem is it was sneaky. I mean i wrote about 12 GB of data
[03:58] <toothpick> all fine only realized it was corrupted upon reading it back. But nailed it as Onboard VIA RAID controller. My guess is the onboard sata raid on this chipset does not behave well with 4K advance format hard drives
[03:58] <hank_> I'll check alsamixer in a moment. lshw shows my nvidia on mb sound: MPC51 High Def Audio with driver: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0 maxlatency=5 mingnt=2
[03:59] <well_laid_lawn> lsmod | grep intel
[03:59] <well_laid_lawn> lsmod | grep snd
[04:00] <Starcraftmazter> well_laid_lawn:  Hi, my X is hanging/crashing on startup when using more than one card for some reason http://pastebin.com/famTe4js http://pastebin.com/xY0RxUr0
[04:00] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: are you using nvidia gpu from 6xx series?
[04:02] <toothpick> *your
[04:02] <toothpick> you will need to stage nv drivers manually to get them working
[04:02] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: if you multi-gpu includes the Nvidia Kepler microarchitecture, they are known to have problems with noveau drivers
[04:02] <toothpick> just download the binary package from nvidia directly and i can help you set it up
[04:03] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
[04:03] <hank_> Here's the lsmod results (forgive my ignorance re IRC etiquette) http://pastebin.com/7s1wWsgM
[04:04] <Starcraftmazter> toothpick: no, 7970s
[04:04] <Starcraftmazter> it will work with one
[04:04] <Starcraftmazter> but crap out with more than 1
[04:04] <well_laid_lawn> hank_:  you have all the necessary modules loaded so try alsamixer
[04:05] <well_laid_lawn> hank_:  in pavucontrol are you sure there isn't more than one card to select from??
[04:06] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: you will need to turn off X and stage the ati drivers manually
[04:06] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: multi-gpu especially the 7xxx series are not well tested with GlideFX open source drivers
[04:07] <Starcraftmazter> toothpick: eh?
[04:07] <Starcraftmazter> what do you mena stage
[04:07] <Starcraftmazter> mean*
[04:07] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: note the url and use wget command to get the binary directly from ATI's website for debian linux
[04:07] <hank_> As far as I can tell, under All Output Devices it just shows Dummy, while under Hardware output devs it shows nothing. I;'ll check alsamixer now. Thank you all for the help, by the way.
[04:07] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: oh my bad , stage is just a term we use to say Kernel aware. the linux kernel is not aware and does not know how to handle your multi-gpus
[04:08] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: so you will need the official ATI binary driver for Ubuntu or Debian
[04:09] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: to get your gpus working properly . Note the URL on their website, turn of X (We can help you with that if needed) and use wget to download the drivers.
[04:11] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: also note that you can use ATI's distribution specific package - that might be easier. Install it while you are running single gpu, then restart with multi-gpus
[04:12] <well_laid_lawn> bbiab have to do the mowing
[04:13] <toothpick> mowing?
[04:14] <Unit193> Cutting grass.
[04:14] <toothpick> oh. lol nevermind
[04:14] <hank_> I notice alsamixer does not show the line out, while it shows everything else under the sun.
[04:15] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: I will let others who are more knowledgeable in multi-gpu setup for ATI to dive in. I am well familiar with NVidia only at the moment.
[04:15] <Starcraftmazter> toothpick: which url?
[04:16] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: the url for the file download from ati's website. Their catalyst binary package
[04:16] <Starcraftmazter> i was kind of hoping to use the 12.10 drivers as I need the AMD APP SDK installed too
[04:17] <toothpick> from this point on, Starcraft, I would not know the specifics of ATI drivers available out there since I have little experience with ATI drivers
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> sure but i mean you seem to imply this is an ati driver issue
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> what makes you think its not an xorg issue
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> like, i cant start up with all my cards even using the oss driver
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> same thing happens, xorg seems to hang/crash
[04:18] <toothpick> because you mentioned that you can boot into Xorg with a single gpu
[04:19] <Starcraftmazter> yes
[04:19] <toothpick> yes, and Xorg only provides basic API for window and desktop managers such as Xfce and Gnome etc. Xorg communicate directly with the video drivers for rendering
[04:20] <Aiena> Would it be safe to install GLibc 2.3.6 on xubuntu 12.04 an application i want to install needs it. If yes then how do I upgrade my glibc version ?
[04:21] <Aiena> THe current version is 2.15
[04:21] <toothpick> Xubuntu uses open source ATI drivers which may or may not be multi-gpu aware. Due to this rationale, my first impression is installing the official video driver might fix your problem
[04:23] <toothpick> Aiena: yes it should be safe to upgrade glibc
[04:24] <Aiena> Thanks as to the second question - how
[04:24] <Aiena> cna you guide me toothpick
[04:24] <Aiena> *can
[04:24] <toothpick> Aiena: try sudo apt-get update then check the update manager to see if new version of glibc is available through the official repository
[04:24] <hank_> off to pretend it's windows and reboot, just in case. back soon.
[04:24] <Aiena> hank_: I have to compile from source I think
[04:25] <Aiena> the dependencies seem few
[04:25] <Aiena> http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-glib-2-36-3-on-ubuntu-and-linux-mint/ article specifies automake 1.13 I have automake 1.10 will that do ?
[04:26] <toothpick> if you want to compile from source, they almost always have the minimum requirements specified in Readme.txt. You may want to consult that as your first source of literature since the developers know precisely what dependencies may or may not work.
[04:32] <Aiena> Thanks toothpick I have built other software from scratch but not yet glibc.
[04:33] <toothpick> Aiena: you are welcome. I wish I could be of more help
[04:34] <Aiena> Youve been of enough of help already - now time to take the plunge and hope for the best :)
[04:35] <toothpick> go for it. Let me know if it works out
[04:40] <hank_> Sound is now working after rebooting. Not sure what worked: edited  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to add card as 'options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 model=full_dig' and purged, reinstalelled pulseaudio and alsa-base. Maybe it was just the reboot. I've never had sound issues except when using jack apps. Thanks for the help!
[04:41] <hank_> All these years and never thought to ask here - silly me. Bye all.
[05:58] <Aiena> BY installing raring do I run the risk of damaging my hardware or only there is risk of software i.e. a clean format will clean up any mess ?
[05:58] <Aiena> (13.04)
[06:09] <Aiena> By installing raring do I run the risk of damaging my hardware or only there is risk of the OS getting messed up i.e. a clean format will clean up any mess ?
[06:09] <Sysi> no need to repeat
[06:10] <Aiena> Sysi: Sorry my channel got synchronised after the statement
[06:10] <Aiena> so wasnt sure if it got sent
[06:11] <Sysi> if there's really obnoxious driver bug and something goes wrong, it's possible that hardware breaks, but that problem is present on all systems and versions
[06:11] <Aiena> OK but my system uses regular hardware which got detected well out of the box with 12.04 keeping that in consideration in 13.04 safe ?
[06:12] <Sysi> almost 100% so
[06:12] <Aiena> Ok thanks
[06:12] <Sysi> I'd say definitely but I don't believe in perfection
[06:12] <Aiena> Ok thanks thats all I wanted to know :)
[06:13] <Sysi> you're welcome
[06:14] <Aiena> I needed some newer packages its difficult to build certain things in 12.04 without breaking something else and plus I get a chance to test 13.04 I use windows on the other partition so I have a fallback OS
[06:15] <Aiena> Sysi: If IRC channels get synchronised late do your messages still get sent - if sent prior to the synchronise message?
[06:17] <Sysi> I don't know, I generally wait a bit after saying anything
[06:18] <Aiena> Ok
[06:19] <Sysi> *before
[06:19] <Aiena> k
[06:40] <Aiena> Sysi: DO you know the glibc version in 13.04 ?
[06:40] <Aiena> *Do
[06:40] <Aiena> Dont know who to ask ubottu
[06:40] <Aiena> *how
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> !info glibc raring
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> !info gcc raring
[06:42] <well_laid_lawn> dunno if that helps
[06:42] <Aiena> !info glibc raring
[06:42] <Aiena> !info libc raring
[06:43] <Aiena> well_laid_lawn: are you running raring ?
[06:43] <well_laid_lawn> nope I'm on my arch lappy atm
[06:43] <well_laid_lawn> !packages
[06:44] <well_laid_lawn> maybe check online for the version
[06:46] <Sysi> !info libc6
[06:47] <well_laid_lawn> thank you Sysi
[06:47] <well_laid_lawn> Aiena:  ^^
[07:01] <Aiena> well_laid_lawn:  Yes I was checking there
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> k cheers
[07:29] <nukke> /close
[07:30] <well_laid_lawn>  /fail
[12:17] <sim642> I just installed Xubuntu 13.04 and my wifi speed only reaches 50kbps while on windows I get the correct 20mbps. What's wrong?
[12:31] <cameor> do they have toilet paper in romania?
[12:34] <antisober552> hi guys long time no see
[12:35] <antisober552> umm how can i update to xbuntu without having to do a clean install
[12:37] <bekks> antisober552: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <antisober552> thx
[12:46] <antisober552> oh its says im on the newest desktop
[12:46] <antisober552> i want to update to 13.04
[13:02] <antisober552> can anyone help me
[13:04] <baizon> antisober552: what version do you got?
[13:04] <antisober552> i have xbuntu 12.10 i think
[13:05] <baizon> antisober552: run "update-manager -d"
[13:05] <baizon> there should be a big botton with a 13.04 upgrade :)
[13:06] <antisober552> update-manager -d in terminal ?
[13:06] <antisober552> cause theres no 13.04 update in software updater
[13:07] <baizon> antisober552: yes or in xfrun :)
[13:07] <antisober552> nothing is showing i get errors
[13:08] <antisober552> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Dbusmenu
[13:08] <antisober552> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Unity
[13:08] <antisober552> thats with sudo
[13:08] <baizon> uname -a
[13:08] <baizon> what do you get?
[13:09] <antisober552> oh im on 12.04
[13:09] <antisober552> i just got an update come though for 12.10
[13:09] <baizon> if you have 12.04, you have to upgrade 12.04 -> 12.10 and then 12.10 -> 13.04
[13:10] <antisober552> okai
[13:10] <antisober552> thx
[13:14] <baizon> np
[13:34] <Arroyo1010> .join #reddit-sysadmin
[13:34] <Arroyo1010> non intentional, i apologize
[13:48] <user____> hi. I fail at mounting a swap partition and have no clue why
[13:49] <user____> this is what i get when i click on swap parttion icon http://pastebin.com/XuLG5hd2
[13:50] <user____> fstab: http://pastebin.com/FC4Y5VFd
[13:52] <user____> sudo mount /dev/sda5 says /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 does not exist
[13:53] <user____> blkid GIVES http://pastebin.com/nCs6CdDM
[14:22] <koegs> user____: you dont "mount" a swap parition
[14:22] <user____> OK
[14:22] <user____> WHAT ELSE
[14:23] <user____> I still get error
[14:23] <bekks> You activate it using swapon.
[14:23] <koegs> and your fstab is horribly wrong if /dev/sda5 is swap
[14:23] <user____> koegs:
[14:23] <bekks> And you have to create the swap signature, using mkswap.
[14:23] <user____> ok
[14:24] <user____> koegs: what fstab would u suggest?
[14:24] <koegs> /dev/mapper/cryptswap1  none    swap    sw      0       0
[14:25] <koegs> /etc/crypttab: cryptswap1 /dev/sda5 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256
[15:48] <Aiena|AFK> I ran pm-suspend-hybrid now I fell that my system still remembers the laoded data on disk from the hibernate how do I clear that
[15:48] <Aiena> *feel
[15:58] <zephyr28> Having some issues getting desktop effects and/or Compiz working in Xubuntu.  Are these known issues and is there an alternative to get both the effects and functionality of Compiz?
[16:05] <Sysi> install compiz, compiz-gnome and compizconfig-settingsmanager and set compiz to use gtk-window-decorator for drawing window borders in CC-S-M, set compiz --replace in autostart or run it and save session
[16:56] <Aiena> I installed openjdk-7-jre is there a way to run java 7 by default instead of the java 6 which come default with xubuntu 12.04 ?
[16:56] <Aiena> Sysi: Any idea?
[17:01] <holstein> Aiena: i would just remove the one you dont want
[17:01] <holstein> !java
[17:02] <Aiena> holstein: but they insist not to remove anything which originally came with xubuntu 12.04
[17:02] <holstein> they?
[17:03] <Aiena> official ubuntu documentation
[17:03] <holstein> Aiena: correct.. but, if you want the latest, then you must install and use the latest
[17:04] <Sysi> if there's /usr/bin/java like there's /usr/bin/python you could change that symlink to point to newer java
[17:04] <Aiena> holstein: so if I purge openjdk-6-jre then I should be fine
[17:04] <holstein> Aiena: you will be using the other version. "fine" is in many cases a matter of opinion
[17:07] <Aiena> Sysi: there is a usr/bin/java
[17:07] <Aiena> but java is an exe
[17:07] <Aiena> in this case
[17:07] <Aiena> not a directory
[17:08] <holstein> Aiena: you can specify which one you want to use.. or just remove the other one
[17:09] <Aiena> I think keeping java 7 is safe over java6 deprecated functions will still work if needed I think
[17:09] <Sysi> "file /usr/bin/java" if it says "symlink" you can delete it and create new one
[17:09] <holstein> Aiena: know how to revert, and you dont have to think.. if you need to revert and know how, you can
[17:10] <configX> For some reason Thunar is not showing thumbnails for any of my images. Tumbler is installed...
[17:10] <Aiena> I know how to revert
[17:10] <configX> Any thoughts?
[17:10] <Aiena> thats not an issue at all
[17:10] <Aiena> purge openjdk7 to avoid issues and fresh reinstall jdk6
[17:10] <Aiena> Sysi: it is a symlink
[17:11] <holstein> Aiena: so, you can switch that symlink to point where you want
[17:11] <Aiena> it says /usr/bin/java: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/java'
[17:11] <Aiena> holstein: I dont know what a symlink is
[17:11] <Sysi> oh, so you can use update-alternatives
[17:12] <Aiena> so what do i type after update alternatives ? Any other parameters have to be specified ?
[17:12] <holstein> Aiena: its pointint the the version that you dont want to be using.. you can remove that version, change the symlink, or use the update alternatives
[17:13] <Aiena> holstein: deleting the file will recreate the symlink with the new jdk ?
[17:13] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#Choosing_the_default_Java_to_use
[17:14] <Sysi> holstein: actually it points to one set in update-alternatives
[17:15] <Aiena> thanks sysi
[17:15] <Aiena> I have updated it to point to the the new jdk while keeping the old untouched
[17:15] <configX> Nevermind...my own stupid mistake. Thumbnails was set to never. I didn't change that but I can't believe I missed such an obvious setting.
[19:23] <mishke_x> hi guys
[19:24] <mishke_x> when i tap to touchpad its not work as click, how to fix that?
[19:45] <secret_ninja> i have 2 internal h/d's 2 external h/d's. i boot nt and linux on one internal and linux on another internal. the first linux has kernels 3.8.0-22,23 and 25. the other linux has 3.8.0-19 (it's a clean install).
[19:45] <secret_ninja> using grub2
[19:46] <secret_ninja> would like to simplify the method i use to get between os'es
[19:47] <secret_ninja> i guess i want to merge the /dev/sda3/boot and the /dev/sdb2/boot directories
[19:47] <secret_ninja> and assign more readable names to the partitions
[19:48] <secret_ninja> anybody even here? shit.
[19:51] <TheSheep> !language | secret_ninja
[19:51] <contrapunctus> !patience | secret_ninja
[19:52] <TheSheep> secret_ninja: you can set labels for the partitions with e2label
[19:53] <TheSheep> no idea about merging boot directories, might be tricky
[19:53] <secret_ninja> i use the uuid from blkid
[19:57] <secret_ninja> im sure i can figure out e2label