[03:04]  * husnainlatif has started learning how to develop for ubuntu touch :p
[04:42] <mdrjr> Hello, I'm porting Ubuntu Touch for my platform, however I couldn't find instructions or where to set the correct framebuffer device to ubuntu-session.
[04:42] <mdrjr> My platform has multiple fb's and I need to set a specific one (fb6)
[05:51] <kakashi__> hi
[05:51] <kakashi__> where can i find instructions to install ubuntu touch from windows
[05:56] <wilee-nilee> kakashi__, I found this, have not used it, be backed up. http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/how-to-flash-ubuntu-touch-from-windows.html
[06:16]  * snwh is away: Away
[07:23] <gnulu> hey all, what's the best device to trying this out... most support, widely used?
[08:09] <AskUbuntu> Is there a way to gain superuser access from a Qt app | http://askubuntu.com/q/308774
[08:51] <zg> hello, I'm trying to run `phablet-flash -b' and it says < waiting for device >
[08:51] <zg> my tablet reboots, goes to fastboot
[08:54] <swordfish> Morning everyone!... I think it's time for me to start contributing to the core apps of ubuntu touch... The problem is where can I start? I know how to work with the launchpad but I have not found any bitesize bug or blue print. Can someone point me in the right direction so that i will make something useful for everyone?...
[09:23] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch for my device | http://askubuntu.com/q/308795
[09:38] <nik90> swordfish: Hi
[09:38] <nik90> swordfish: How familiar are you qml and javascript?
[09:38] <thesignal> Hi there. I build an cm-10.1 base image yesterday, flashed it on my galaxy note 2, downloaded http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip from daily/current and flashed it to... the only think i'm getting now is a black screen with a green dot (just one pixel) in the upper left corner, sometime (weird) the dot is red
[09:38] <nik90> swordfish: or even python for that matter?
[09:38] <thesignal> where can i start to dig in fixing this problem?
[09:40] <popey> perhaps in /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session ?
[09:42] <thesignal> i cant even debug it, right? or is there a way to see the dmesg on the phone?
[09:46] <popey> thesignal: can you not "adb root" & "adb shell"
[09:47] <swordfish> nik90 sorry for the late in the response... I'm decent in both: as a first test for qml I made the minesweeper for Ubuntu Touch which came out quite nicely... I know also python fairly well...
[09:48] <thesignal> popey: was late at night :) didn't even try it. I'm reflashing my phone now. Should I stikc withe the dail/current saucy image or try an older one?
[09:49] <popey> current if i were you
[09:49] <thesignal> popey: ty, trying that now
[09:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, we still seem to ship some NM/polkit related hacks in the build scripts, i wonder if thats what makes NM fall over
[09:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, (vs the new hacks that cyphermox added to the session)
[10:07] <zg> I'm getting an assert failed error when trying to install ubuntu touch
[10:08] <nik90> swordfish: oh yeah. I was trying to remember where I saw your nick
[10:08] <nik90> swordfish: In that case, you don't really need to look for bitesize bugs :P..you can dive in straight
[10:09] <nik90> swordfish: Just choose a particular core app that you might be interested in and get started
[10:09] <nik90> swordfish: ofcourse my *biased* opinion would be to help with the clock-app :-D
[10:09] <popey> heh
[10:10] <swordfish> nik90, ok thank you!... I actuallly like the clock app so its not a problem working there :D ... The problem is what should i do in the application?
[10:10] <popey> swordfish: I'd like to see some more card games like the one Robert Ancell made.. https://launchpad.net/euchre
[10:10] <ogra_> solitaire !!!
[10:11] <popey> i.e. more generic games - not ones that have a corporate tie-in like angry birds..
[10:11] <ogra_> minesweeper isnt everything ...
[10:11] <popey> well, I like it ㋛
[10:12] <ogra_> yeah, but my mpom will never accept a tablet withut solitarie
[10:12] <ogra_> *mom
[10:12] <popey> ☻
[10:12] <swordfish> Games are even better than the clock app! :D (no offense nik90)
[10:12] <nik90> swordfish: hehe :)
[10:13] <popey> well to be fair the clock app is making great progress
[10:13] <swordfish> Ok... Maybe this afternoon i will start a new project!...
[10:13] <nik90> swordfish: looking forward to it!
[10:14] <swordfish> No the clock app is really great! I mean that i prefer to work on games! ;D
[10:14] <nik90> swordfish: we are just messing with you :D
[10:15] <nik90> popey: that said..how do you get those smiley faces.. (trademark secret?)
[10:15]  * ogra_ hopes we'll soon have a pdf solution for the platform api so the first pdf and ebook readers will show up
[10:15] <popey> irssi macro nik90
[10:15] <swordfish> Thank you guys for the tips... Now its time to have lunch in italy! ... See you later!
[10:15] <nik90> swordfish: see you
[10:18] <zg> I'm getting an assert failed error when trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 (i've tried saucy and raring thus far)
[10:19] <ogra_> zbthats not very informative ... pastebin a full log somewhere
[10:19] <ogra_> zg ^^
[10:21] <zg> how do I pastebin a console output from a boot screen
[10:21] <zg> i'll take a photo with my phone
[10:22] <ogra_> did you use phablet-flash to install ?
[10:22] <zg> no
[10:23] <thesignal> popey: i can adb root & shell on it :) but dmesg tells me nothing. where are the session logfiles kept?
[10:23] <zg> i'm doing a manual recovery mode installation
[10:23] <popey> thesignal: /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session
[10:23]  * ogra_ would try that first ... and use the raring/monthly-06 build, thats definitely known to work
[10:24] <zg> how do I get phablet-flash to use raring and not saucy
[10:24] <ogra_> thesignal, if you get a black screen: adb shell logcat -d > logcat.out (from your PC)... and pastebin that file
[10:25] <ogra_> zg, see the help ...
[10:25] <ogra_> you should be ablet to give it a version like raring/monthly-06
[10:25] <ogra_> *able
[10:27] <thesignal> ogra_: thanks for helping, here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/h2yTD3Bp
[10:28] <zg> ogra_: http://i.imgur.com/CzQ2B4a.jpg
[10:28] <ogra_> thesignal, hmm, your android side looks fine, the issue must be on the ubuntu side
[10:29] <ogra_> (surfaceflinger and ubuntu appmanager seem to run properly)
[10:29] <thesignal> ogra_: I'll try the monthly06 build, maybe the daily/current is the problem
[10:29] <ogra_> yeah
[10:29] <thesignal> thanks for having a look
[10:31] <ogra_> zg, hmm, that doesnt look like the ubuntu recovery ... also if you want it to auttomatically install the file on the target device should be named /sdcard/autodeploy.zip (see the manual instructions on the install wikipage)
[10:33] <zg> ogra_: same error..
[10:33] <zg> different filename
[10:33] <zg> (autodeploy.zip)
[10:33] <ogra_> where is that recovery from ?
[10:33] <zg> clockworkmod recovery allows me to select zip from any location
[10:33] <zg> that recovery is from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <ogra_> so does the ubuntu one
[10:34] <zg> and no, it is not invalid, the md5sum is fine
[10:34] <zg> that's been the only support for this issue on askubuntu.com
[10:34] <ogra_> weird, the ubuntu recovery has a violet wallpaper
[10:35] <ogra_> and phablet-flash -b should have put that into place properly
[10:35]  * ogra_ would really recommend to use phablet-flash for the supported devices 
[10:35] <zg> there's an assertion error, not a file error
[10:35] <ogra_> your recovery mode has no getprop
[10:36] <zg> that could be the reason
[10:36] <zg> hm
[10:37] <ogra_> also are you 100% sure thats a grouper ?
[10:38] <zg> i'm 110% sure
[10:38] <zg> it says on the boot screen product name grouper
[10:38] <zg> variant grouper
[10:38] <ogra_> k
[10:41] <zg> lol manual installation AKA "I don't have an Ubuntu system"
[10:42] <thesignal> ogra_: i flashed the monthly06 build, but still no luck, what can i do?
[10:44] <thesignal> also, wenn i touch the screen the bottom keys (back and menu) light, they shut off after some time
[10:55] <morphis> ogra_: with the flipped container model are you still flashing phablets boot.img to boot partition or the kernel build by ubuntu?
[10:56] <ogra_> morphis, the kernel is the same for both (coming from the kernel package), i use an ubuntu initrd in the bootimg though
[10:57] <morphis> ah ok
[10:57] <ogra_> thesignal, look at syslog and as popey said at the logs in /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/ something on the ubuntu side fails
[10:57] <morphis> as I am playing with modifications to the android init daemon and wondered where it is now
[10:57] <ogra_> morphis, we use the android initrd as / of the container
[10:59] <ogra_> pulling it from /boot/android-ramdisk.img
[10:59] <zg> ogra_: sending autodeploy.zip to the device isn't going to overdo clockworkmod
[11:00] <ogra_> morphis, if you want to replace androids init, just put your binary into /var/lib/lxc/android/overrides/ ... it wil be copied over the android one before firing up the container
[11:00] <morphis> ogra_: ah, thats pretty nice
[11:01] <ogra_> yeah, helps a lot when playing with init.rc files :)
[11:01] <ogra_> zg, well,  your recovery does definitely not look like an ubuntu one
[11:02] <ogra_> zg, i would pulll the recovery img again from the server and flash it again with fastboot
[11:03] <ogra_> you should see an ubuntu logo instaed of the android and have a violet bg
[11:09] <zg> finally
[11:09] <zg> i think i got it working now..
[11:10] <ogra_> yay
[11:10] <k1l> i see some guys with a x86tablet asking if ubuntu touch will ever run on their devices. as long as u-t depends on surfaceflinger there is no chance, but when mir is the base and its merged into the regular ubuntu this will be possible, right?
[11:10] <ogra_> congrats
[11:12] <ogra_> k1l, well, depends ... the flipped container images will surely improve the possibilities, but currenly the platform-api fully depends on the android layer .... i doubt you will see support for non android x86 tablets before the 14.04 cycle
[11:12] <ogra_> (and for x86 android tablets someone needs to port them to CM10.1
[11:12] <ogra_> )
[11:13] <k1l> yes, i thought about the 14.04 merge. i recall it was the target to have "one ubuntu" and the different unity desktops that fit to the device its installed.
[11:14] <ogra_> well, it will actually be the same desktop/shell ... but differently set up
[11:14] <k1l> thats what i mean :)
[11:14] <ogra_> :)
[11:15] <zg> fucking finally
[11:16] <ogra_> please mind your language :)
[11:16] <zg> haha, the ubuntu recovery is clockworkmod based
[11:16] <zg> sorryu
[11:16] <ogra_> yeah, it is :)
[11:16] <ogra_> in fact the whole android layer is
[11:17] <ogra_> to make porting easier
[11:18] <zg> is the "Deploying Ubuntu Touch..." stage supposed to stall for a bit
[11:19] <zg> It just kind of froze up
[11:19] <ogra_> well, the image is a few 100M big ... give it some time
[11:19] <ogra_> and adb push doesnt really give much feedback
[11:21] <zg> its nice to see ubuntu on my tablet.. six hours later
[11:21] <ogra_> well, phablet-flash would surely have made it easier :)
[11:22] <zg> if I had ubuntu desktop :(
[11:22] <ogra_> ask your distro to package it ;)
[11:24] <zg> no keyboard for network password input?
[11:24] <zg> oh man... is raring really buggy? :(
[11:25] <ogra_> shouldnt
[11:25] <ogra_> specifically monthly-06 saw quite some testing
[11:26] <ogra_> if you now had phablet-tools in your distro you could just use phablet-network-setup to set it up from your PC
[11:26] <zg> ;_;
[11:27] <ogra_> try if it works after a reboot ... might be a race condition (i know we have something like that in saucy, raring should work though)
[11:27] <zg> i'll install saucy
[11:28] <ogra_> thats more buggy, mind you
[11:28] <zg> for science (and testing!)
[11:37] <zg> oh man
[11:37] <zg> this is so unusable :/
[11:37] <zg> >Developer Preview
[11:38] <zg> i'll come back to it in a few months :p
[11:43] <ogra_> funny, given that many people already use it as their daily driver
[11:44] <ogra_> especially raring
[11:44] <ogra_> (saucy images are only a week old, will still need a few days to shake out the bugs)
[11:46] <cdesai> ogra_: raring images aren't flipped, right?
[11:47] <ogra_> right
[11:54] <ogra_> ... and flipped only works on the phones yet ... not on the tablets
[12:05] <Jeroen> Hello
[12:05] <codinho> is there any tool to make a androids snapshot of my nexus4 filesystem in order to restore android in future?
[12:06] <thesignal> ogra_: where is "/home/" located? is in a container?
[12:06] <thesignal> i got /data/ubuntu/ but theres no /home/
[12:06] <thesignal> * in the data/ubuntu/ direcctroy i meant
[12:06] <Jeroen> which files do I need to install it on my Nexus 4? And in which order do I flash?
[12:07] <codinho> thesignal, just check /etc/passwd file
[12:08] <thesignal> codinho: what do you mean?
[12:09] <codinho> thesignal, users home directories paths there usually
[12:09] <thesignal> codinho: i don't even have a passwd file in etc
[12:14] <codinho> thesignal, may be there should be some another etc directory somewhere then
[12:17] <ogra_> thesignal, if /data/ubuntu/home/phablet doesnt exist, there is definitely something wrong
[12:18] <ogra_> this dir is in every ubuntu touch rootfs ... guaranteed
[12:18] <ogra_> sounds like the flashing of the armhf zip didnt work
[12:22] <thesignal> ogra_: but i don't get any errors while flashing
[12:49] <AskUbuntu> Large amount of scrollable text in Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/308859
[13:17] <penguin42> how does ut deal with power management?  Is it just the same components as desktop or do you have some magic for keeping it really low? (Says he playing with an e-ink device that has wonderful power usage)
[13:26] <ogra_> http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=460
[13:26] <ogra_> penguin42, ^^^
[13:26] <penguin42> ogra_: Perfect! thanks
[13:28] <penguin42> ogra_: Nice (I'm not too familiar with them - but it sounds a bit similar to wake locks?)
[13:29] <penguin42> it's got to be said the ereaders do magic on their power usage; months of idle with intuitive instantaneous wake up
[13:29] <ogra_> well, if you mean that suspend is the default state and an app can ask to bring the device ito running state, yes, thats similar
[13:31] <ogra_> ereaders use epaper ... thats quite different HW (only requires power while the content changes, not for displaying)
[13:31] <penguin42> ogra_: Yeh, but the way they bounce into suspend most of the time as well is more what I meant
[13:31] <penguin42> (epaper is weird stuff)
[13:33]  * penguin42 has been running X on his Nook ST and wondered about trying to get it's power back down to something sane
[15:35] <urbanslug> Hey you guys what do I need to learn so as to port ubuntu touch to GT-S5300
[15:35] <urbanslug> Samsung
[15:35] <urbanslug> I have knowledge of C C++ and python but I don't know where to start. I'm a noob.
[16:17] <mhall119> urbanslug: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting might be a good place to get started
[16:18] <javierbuilder> hello i have one  usb panel multitouch ,, how do for  use coordenate exacts in ubuntu touch?
[16:29] <mhall119> javierbuilder: sorry, I don't know.  You should try posting it to askubuntu.com
[16:30] <javierbuilder> thanks.!!
[16:31] <javierbuilder> other question?  how can use component of ubuntu touch  write in qml  in my proyect. in qml
[16:31] <javierbuilder> is easey do this ?
[16:34] <mhall119> yup, as long as you have the packages installed, Qt will know where tofind them
[16:34] <mhall119> have you installed the Ubuntu SDK and followed the currency converter tutorial?
[16:35] <javierbuilder> mm nop i have qt5 compilated
[16:35] <javierbuilder> but not the sdk  ubuntu.
[16:35] <javierbuilder> ubuntu touch use qt4 ?
[16:36] <mhall119> no, qt 5
[16:36] <mhall119> javierbuilder: follow the setup instructions at http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[16:42] <javierbuilder> mhall119,  i have write  lot of interfaces UI in qml,  but mi app dont run in mobile else in one  pc desktop with one panel usb multitouch of 32 inch
[16:43] <mhall119> I'm sorry, I didn't understand that
[16:45] <JoseAntonioR> may I help as a translator?
[16:48] <javierbuilder> mm ok try explain better.. , i write one application in qml  for run in one pcdesktop with 32inch monitor.  JoseAntonioR  please if can help .
[16:49] <JoseAntonioR> oh, you say you've written many apps but none for mobile yet, and the only apps you have run in QML but are designed for 32-inches touchscreen monitors
[16:53] <javierbuilder> JoseAntonioR, yes i write one application in qml for 64bits, buts this app need run in desktop not in mobile but with similar skins and moviment similar to smartphone
[16:54] <JoseAntonioR> you still can port the app and re-design it for the ubuntu phone os
[16:54] <javierbuilder> them i buy one panel multitouch  usb but the i can rotate the desktop ubuntu but the  panel usb not changes the coordenates
[16:55] <javierbuilder> firts i ant run my app in 32 inch pc 64bit and  after port
[16:55] <javierbuilder> now i have intalled ubuntu 12.04
[16:56] <javierbuilder> and add utouch witn apt-get
[16:56] <JoseAntonioR> javierbuilder: hablas español? :)
[16:56] <javierbuilder> yes
[16:56] <mhall119> javierbuilder: so we are currently working on some layout components for QML that will let your app change depending on the amount of room it has
[16:56] <javierbuilder> ands write bad englisjh
[16:56] <mhall119> so your one app can work on small moble screens or large desktop screens
[16:56] <mhall119> and it will just show/hide/move components based on available space
[16:57] <mhall119> you can currently do that yourself with QML, but we're working on making it much simpler
[16:57] <javierbuilder> nice !!
[16:57] <javierbuilder>  i can help.
[16:57] <javierbuilder>  
[16:58] <mhall119> javierbuilder: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-layouting-implemention is where the work is detailed and where progress will be tracked
[16:59] <mhall119> there should be some initial code landing later this month or early next what app developers can start using to give feedback on what works well and what needs to be changed
[17:01] <javierbuilder> ok i can help  in this.!
[17:03] <mhall119> javierbuilder: you can get a sneak peak at the code in progress here: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/layouts
[17:08] <javierbuilder> i want built menus in qml , this can do with the  sdk for utouch ?
[17:15] <mhall119> kind of, are you talking about simple drop-downs, or like a desktop windows' menus?
[17:22] <javierbuilder> similar at one  menu on footer of smatphone
[17:23] <javierbuilder> and  other with gesture wipe.
[17:23] <Oranger> javierbuilder: The toolbar ?
[17:24] <javierbuilder> yes
[17:24] <Oranger> javierbuilder: Yes you can do it with the ubuntu sdk :)
[17:24] <javierbuilder> nice!!1
[17:24] <Oranger> javierbuilder: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html
[17:24] <javierbuilder> i write qml   much code . without  sdk
[17:25] <mhall119> javierbuilder: there is work being done to unify the toolbar actions, HUD action, and desktop window menus
[17:26] <javierbuilder> Oranger,  but my app run in pc of 64bit with one panel usb multitouch of 32 inch
[17:27] <Oranger> javierbuilder: This api work for pc too, but yes the main is for phone. But like mhall119 said, the api will be unified for pc and mobile
[17:33] <javierbuilder> http://www.cvtouch.com/
[17:33] <javierbuilder> ok ..
[17:33] <javierbuilder> i buy this panel
[17:33] <javierbuilder> ok i work very ahrd for help.
[17:34] <mhall119> javierbuilder: we appreciate any and all contributions
[17:50] <javierbuilder> mhall119,  i have downloades the ubuntu-sdk , now how start to write code ?
[17:50] <mhall119> javierbuilder: follow this tutorial: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/
[17:51] <mhall119> it'll go through starting with creating a new Ubuntu Touch project in Qt Creator
[17:51] <javierbuilder> ok
[17:52] <javierbuilder> i have 2 machines one with parabola and other with ubuntu
[17:52] <javierbuilder> niceeeee
[17:53] <javierbuilder> i can see the qtcreator custom for utouch!
[17:53] <javierbuilder> nice work friends
[17:53] <javierbuilder> !!
[17:56] <javierbuilder> start them with simple ubuntu ui ? or is i have designed  maybe 16 uis in qml create the project for included mys uis
[17:57] <javierbuilder> touchbrcubuntu
[18:19] <javierbuilder> where can found applications building with utouch ?
[18:25] <javierbuilder> where can find examples completed  for  guide
[18:30] <mhall119> javierbuilder: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps has a set of apps being developed by a collaboration of Canonical and Community members
[18:30] <mhall119> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection has a longer list of 3rd part development
[18:32] <javierbuilder> nice , one question the gestures work in one device  mutitouch by usb ?
[18:32] <user82> popey, you are on a nexus 4 aren't you?
[18:33] <popey> yup
[18:33] <user82> is the 3g data gui config already working? i did not manage to find information
[18:33] <popey> no. i use a script
[18:34] <mhall119> javierbuilder: I've never had a multi-touch USB device, so I don't kinow
[18:34] <mhall119> in theory they should though, as long as your device has property driver support
[18:34] <javierbuilder> yes  the kernel have all supprt
[18:35] <user82> ok thanks popey
[18:41] <javierbuilder> mhall119,  i need one keyboard on screen .. hoy can use  this  ?
[18:44] <mhall119> javierbuilder: on Touch the on-screen keyboard will appear whenever a component that takes keyboard input gets focus
[18:51] <javierbuilder> ok
[18:52] <javierbuilder> but remember that i dont use one mobile application else desktop
[18:53] <mhall119> javierbuilder: if you use the Ubuntu SDK components, the on-screen keyboard will "just work" when a physical keyboard isn't pluggedin
[18:53] <mhall119> do you need an on-screen keyboard on the desktop?
[18:54] <mhall119> there are some available, I don't know which is more like the Ubuntu Touch keyboard though
[18:54] <husnainlatif> i want a touch keyboard
[18:54] <husnainlatif> :p
[19:03] <AskUbuntu> How can I run a command from a qml script? | http://askubuntu.com/q/308968
[19:15] <javierbuilder> thanks!
[19:15] <javierbuilder> husnainlatif,  jaja yes i build hybrid system
[19:16] <javierbuilder> and geo location maps how do   ?
[19:16] <husnainlatif> javierbuilder,  really?
[19:16] <husnainlatif> i love hyrbrids
[19:16] <husnainlatif> specially sliders :))
[19:18] <mhall119> javierbuilder: use Qt Location's APIs to get long/lat data, that will use the GPS on the device when it's available
[19:18] <mhall119> and I think it falls back to usig geoip when no GPS is available
[19:19] <javierbuilder> remember i use one 64bits.. not mobile dwevice i just use panel usb multitouch of 32 inch
[19:20] <javierbuilder> ok
[19:59] <nofear33> hi
[19:59] <nofear33> anyone here familar with the ubuntu on a nexus 4 device?
[19:59] <nofear33> I have a question reguarding it..
[20:00] <nofear33> can you use 3g/4g or any data connection other than wifi on it?
[20:00] <nofear33> I cannot seem to connect to web outside of wifi.  tho, I am abe make phone calls
[20:02] <mhall119> nofear33: it's possible to use the 3g, yes, but there isn't a graphical way of enabling it just yet
[20:02] <mhall119> there is, however, a way to do it from the commandline
[20:03] <nofear33> okay, there a site i can read up on that that'll help me enable it?
[20:03] <mhall119> nofear33: try http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2013/06/dog-fooding-success-sort-of.html
[20:04] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[20:04] <nofear33> thank you
[20:04] <mhall119> there rick shows a screenshot of him enabling it from the terminal ap
[20:04] <popey> that G+ post details how to, as well
[20:04] <mhall119> yeah, use popey's link
[20:04] <mhall119> popey: this should go in the faq
[20:04] <nofear33> ook thanks
[20:04] <mhall119> or release notes
[20:06] <popey> +1
[20:06] <popey> if nobody has tomorrow we can tidy it up and do it then
[20:07] <nofear33> sorry for so many questions lol
[20:07] <nofear33> i just installed it on my nexus 4
[20:07] <popey> oh dont be sorry
[20:07] <popey> we need to highlight these things
[20:07] <popey> it's all good :D
[20:08] <nofear33> dosnt look like sound is working on it.  I'll have to make 100% sure but so far havent heard any system sounds or anything like that... is there system sounds?
[20:08] <nofear33> il try a video in a sec from youtube
[20:08] <popey> sound works for me on nexus 4
[20:08] <popey> i added a bunch of apps, one is a game called Animal Farm
[20:08] <popey> makes lots of noise ☻
[20:09] <popey> popey
[20:09] <popey> bah
[20:09] <popey> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/post-flash.sh
[20:09] <popey> that script is what I run after flashing
[20:10] <popey> sets UK timezone, adds a load of apps to play with
[20:12] <nofear33> ok sweet.
[20:12] <nofear33> now, next question and is probally dumbest one of em all lol
[20:12] <nofear33> is it possible to use apps from the market
[20:12] <nofear33> like netflix
[20:12] <popey> not yet
[20:13] <popey> well, when you say "market" you mean "Google Play store"?
[20:13] <nofear33> okay soon then hopfully?
[20:13] <nofear33> yeah..
[20:13] <popey> We're not currently planning to support adding native android applications
[20:13] <nofear33> i perodiacally use netflix
[20:13] <nofear33> maby netflix might make an app for it then? lol
[20:14] <popey> maybe ☻
[20:14] <nofear33> or is it possible down the road to emulate it...
[20:14] <popey> or their newly announced html5 version might work
[20:14] <popey> maybe
[20:14] <nofear33> i dont have any problems using an emulator.
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/post-flash.sh > i'm also planning to use that kind of script
[20:14] <nofear33> do u know if there happen to be a multirom that works on the nexus 4?
[20:15] <nofear33>  that way i can dual boot
[20:15] <popey> i dont know, sorry
[20:15] <nofear33> i think they have it for the nexus 7
[20:15] <nofear33> aight n
[20:15] <nofear33> np
[20:16] <Atrix> I wanted to ask: How similar is this project to the Ubuntu for Android that showed up on an Atrix 2?
[20:17] <popey> it's not really that similar
[20:18] <popey> Ubuntu for Android results in a full Android stack and an Ubuntu Desktop stack on the same device
[20:18] <popey> Ubuntu Touch has only got drivers from Android, not the full Dalvik & class libraries
[20:19] <popey> lenios: if you have any suggestions for improving that script, do let me know ☻
[20:19] <Atrix> Were the Atrix 2 project results ever made public?
[20:20] <popey> Well, the Atrix 2 was only used in the early demos.
[20:20] <popey> We moved on to other devices.
[20:20] <popey> But to answer your question, no, Ubuntu for Android is not (yet) public
[20:21] <Atrix> What other devices have you moved on to?
[20:22] <Minste> popey: You could edit your script for me :P Set Norwegian as language, and get me a Norwegian keyboardlayout with letters æ ø å included :D :P
[20:22] <popey> haha Minste ☻
[20:22] <Atrix> I own an Atrix 4g, and to tell you the truth, I was kinda disapponted when I heard that Ubuntu Phone wasn't as flexible as the Ubuntu stack that came with the Atrix for the Webtop functionality
[20:23] <popey> Well they serve different purposes.
[20:23] <lenios> i'm waiting for a way to change keyboard layout, i'm french but i need to write chinese and japanese
[20:23] <Minste> setting Norwegian as language isn't a problem, but I'm stuck with keyboardlayout :/
[20:23] <popey> and the Atrix is quite an aged phone comparatively
[20:24] <Atrix> Not that these things don't age in as fast as six months, but I hear you
[20:24] <Atrix> Recently bought a Razr, mainly for the Webtop functionality and the Maverick Ubuntu that comes with it
[20:24] <Atrix> The Razr itself is now ages old, but the age on the Atrix is showing
[20:25] <Minste> lenios: if you find a way, please let me know. without the letters æ ø å im stuck with Android :S
[20:26] <Atrix> I don't own an HDMI monitor so I can't just yet mess too much with the Razr, but it's probably getting LXDE installed and getting repo access this week
[20:32] <lenios> if ubuntu touch is using maliit, there are plugins for chinese and japanese input
[20:33] <Minste> lenios: check release notes.
[20:33] <Minste> it says you could use maliit :)
[20:34] <lenios> i don't remember exactly, but i have a feeling it changed some time ago
[20:34] <lenios> not sure what is used by default today
[20:34] <Minste> okay. maybe thats the reason it wont work when I try..
[20:36] <javierbuilder> soem developr  that can help me ?
[20:36] <lenios> according to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-apps-osk , chinese has been tested in may
[20:36] <lenios> and maliit replaced nemo
[20:37] <lenios> so could be worth giving a try
[20:37] <javierbuilder> maliitframework use unity for keyboard  on-screen
[20:37] <javierbuilder> ?
[20:38] <Minste> lenios: well. there is a step-by-step in release notes. But I'm doing something wrong, cause I can't get it Norwegian even no.xml is listed in the maliit folder
[20:39] <Minste> javierbuilder: hopefully, yes. check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes under Language and keyboard
[20:39] <javierbuilder> niceeeee!!!!
[20:39] <javierbuilder>  i maintein maliit frame work in parabolagnulinux
[20:40] <javierbuilder> but the utouch is excelent
[20:42] <javierbuilder> and the gestures how implement the utouch ?
[20:42] <javierbuilder> Minste,  ?
[20:49] <Minste> javabuilder: i have no idea :/ I'm not into developing or something. just querious and hopefully trying to use it as my daily driver. calender-app sync with google and norwegian is where it stops for me right now..
[20:55] <Oranger> Minste: You want it to sync ?
[20:56] <Minste> Oranger: yes, both ways.
[20:56] <Oranger> Minste: Did you ask it to the calendar-app team ?
[20:59] <Minste> Oranger: not yet. have to get Norwegian keyboard-layout first. Calendar-sync will work at a time, and I can wait for that. but not keyboard-leyout :/
[21:00] <Minste> layout*
[21:00] <Oranger> Minste: Oh yes, that's something important !
[21:00] <Oranger> Minste: But I think the team is working on that
[21:00] <Minste> :D
[21:36] <javierbuilder> Oranger, in one screen who is the xmin, xmax ymin and ymax coordenate. ? where start the xmin in one screen
[23:17] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch and iPhone | http://askubuntu.com/q/309036
[23:20] <k1l> uh, iphone :)