[09:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:19] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[09:21] <knightwi1e> morning everyone
[09:21] <SuperMatt> hullo
[10:27] <popey> AlanBell: happy birthday!
[10:52] <shauno> it's been ages (10+ years) since I was on a non-debian distro.  now I can't raise a network on 'scientific linux' and I feel like a complete fish out of water
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> shauno: not even using "ip" or "ifconfig"?
[11:05]  * MartijnVdS wouldn't know how to configure anything other than Debian(based) or OpenWRT distros
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> well.. using google of course
[11:09] <shauno> MartijnVdS: yeah, I got that far, but I can't get it to survive a reboot
[11:52] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> hi bigcalm
[11:56] <bigcalm> Kerbal Space Program is fun :)
[11:58] <bigcalm> And oops, it's the afternoon
[12:17] <penguin42> hey BC
[13:52] <AlanBell> thanks popey
[13:52] <christel> happy birthday old man! <3
[13:53]  * AlanBell is old
[13:56] <christel> yes, this is tru e:(
[13:57]  * penguin42 has about 3 weeks to go before he gets older
[13:58] <brobostigon> it has been said of me, i am an old man, is a young mans body.
[13:59] <brobostigon> in*
[13:59]  * penguin42 isn't too sure that his body isn't trying to catch up
[14:00] <brobostigon> well, being diagnosed with osteoporosis and braking my right hip 4 years ago, will do that.
[14:01] <penguin42> ouch, yeh - did you manage to break the hip while doing something outlandish or something that shouldn't have been able to do it?
[14:02] <brobostigon> closer to the latter, it gradually became weaker, over some time, when out for the quiz on thursday, felt some pain walking home, tried to get out of bed next morning, fell on my face, it gave up underneath me.
[14:03] <penguin42> ouch
[14:04] <brobostigon> quite, yes.
[14:19] <bigcalm> How does one find out if a package was installed from a ppa or not?
[14:20] <penguin42> bigcalm: Try apt-cache policy
[14:21] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5771032/
[14:21] <bigcalm> Looks like it didn't come from the ppa
[14:21] <bigcalm> Good
[14:21] <bigcalm> I've just upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04
[14:22] <bigcalm> geary was one of the things I had from a ppa in 12.10
[14:22] <bigcalm> Wasn't sure if it would mess up on the move
[14:23] <penguin42> what's geary?
[14:24] <bigcalm> penguin42: thanks :)
[14:24] <bigcalm> penguin42: it's an email client
[14:24] <penguin42> ah, how is it different from the other 2^68 email clients?
[14:26] <funkyHat> penguin42: it's a clone of OSX's Mail.app, as far as I can tell from the screenshots
[14:27] <funkyHat> Oh sorry is it a faux pas to point out when open source projects are copying Apple? ᗡ⢁
[14:27] <bigcalm> Woop. Since upgrading to 13.04, synergy is at a modern release. Which means it works with my windows server again. Which means I don't need to faff about to client licences to do RDP
[14:28] <penguin42> bigcalm: Do you get problems with Ω when you mean @?
[14:28] <bigcalm> Eh?
[14:28] <penguin42> on synergy when I type @ I get a Ω on the other machine
[14:29] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a keyboard layout issue
[14:29] <bigcalm> I'm waiting for the windows server to wake up
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> though that would be a cool email address separator :)
[14:29] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh, although it's UK to UK
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> fooΩbar.com
[14:29] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I think there would be a lot of resistence to such a change
[14:29] <bigcalm> Pendulum: Ubuntu 13.04 (server) -> Windows 2010 server (client) : @ = @
[14:30]  * penguin42 swings into bigcalm
[14:30] <bigcalm> o.O
[14:30] <bigcalm> I have had keyboard layout problems in the past though
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: someone in power should force it then
[14:32] <Pendulum> bigcalm: you know I love you, but somehow I don't think you meant me :P
[14:32] <bigcalm> Oops :)
[14:32]  * bigcalm tickles Pendulum 
[14:32] <bigcalm> penguin42: ^^
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> pentium!
[14:33] <bigcalm> People are forever tab-confusing me and BigRedS. It's only fair that other people have to suffer ;)
[14:37] <daftykins> happy sunday all
[14:37] <daftykins> \o
[17:47] <bigcalm> Grrr
[17:47] <daftykins> o hai
[17:47] <popey> moo
[17:48] <bigcalm> System sounds are crackly in 13.04. Spotify is just fine though
[17:48] <daftykins> what would you guys do if you could procure a free LGA775 core 2 quad system? albeit minus a case
[17:48] <Laney> just bought this with me tax refund
[17:48] <Laney> http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-sullivan-chair-plain-pink/p551464
[17:48] <daftykins> bigcalm: perhaps they're clipping at too high a volume?
[17:48] <bigcalm> daftykins: not that kind of crackle
[17:49] <daftykins> *lost*
[17:49] <bigcalm> It appears to sort itself out after a while of playing the audio though
[17:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Buy a case
[17:50] <daftykins> oh yeah that'd be step 1 :)
[17:50] <daftykins> my file server has a pentium dual-core with no hardware VT
[17:51] <daftykins> it'd kinda benefit from that i think, but at the same time it'd bump the power consumption :(
[17:55] <bigcalm> Best thing about all of my tweets going to Facebook - it confuses non-coders when I tweet something codish :)
[17:55] <penguin42> daftykins: What gen pentium dual is it compared to what gen Core2 quad?
[17:57] <daftykins> penguin42: http://ark.intel.com/products/31733 vs. http://ark.intel.com/products/30790
[17:58] <daftykins> 65 vs. 105W TDP
[17:59] <daftykins> although my desktop is a Q6600 which is also a 65W TDP, so i could do a big juggle to make my desktop a tad nippier, server more capable for same power and have the 2GHz pentium DC free to perhaps give my parents
[17:59] <daftykins> but i'm also a fan of not changing what works :D
[17:59] <penguin42> daftykins: Will your quad actually fit in your pentium dual board?
[17:59] <daftykins> yep
[17:59] <penguin42> daftykins: It might not run any hotter when it's idle or only using 1 or 2 of the 4 cores
[18:00] <daftykins> 'tis true, all down to speedstep i guess
[18:01] <daftykins> may need a BIOS update but it'll be fine
[18:02] <penguin42> I mean 105W/quad core - maybe only ~50W with 2 cores flat out?
[18:02] <daftykins> yeah, i could watch my UPS stats to compare
[18:10] <daftykins> hrmm, may make my downloads drive a 100% dedicated instead of OS shared too
[18:57] <daftykins> 450GB is not enough for Downloads :<
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> 640kb is enough for everyone
[18:58] <daftykins> how cliché
[18:58] <daftykins> also case inaccuracy leads to unit confusion :(
[19:02] <daftykins> 8pm already D:
[22:46] <advancedgarde> Hello. I have a HDD with smart attribute 197 "Current Pending Sector Count" showing 65535 sectors waiting to be remapped. I've obviously backed up all data on the disk and am 99% certain that this issue was caused by a damaged SATA cable that has since been replaced. My thinking is that if a subsequent successful read to one of these suspect sectors is successful, then the flag for that sector will be cleared with
[23:05] <directhex> advancedgarde, 65535 is a very special (i.e. unlikely to be true) number
[23:05] <directhex> advancedgarde, seems more like a firmware bug to me
[23:09] <advancedgarde> Yes, I had thought that too ^^
[23:09] <advancedgarde> But I wasn't sure if I had just maxed that value in the hardware.
[23:10] <directhex> i had that with a disk from work. ignored it, since none of the related pre-fail values were nonzero
[23:10] <directhex> it's pretty much impossible for the pending sectors to be nonzero whilst failed sector writes is zero
[23:11] <directhex> bedtime.
[23:12] <advancedgarde> The HDD was part of a raid 0 Storage array. The sibling drive which is of similar age is fine.
[23:30] <daftykins> advancedgarde: you could use the manufacturer utility to properly format it, might reset that value so you get peace of mind
[23:31] <advancedgarde> daftykins: I will defiantly give that a shot.
[23:32] <daftykins> also, you could confirm in multiple SMART utilities if that was just one
[23:34] <advancedgarde> I've checked a few in windows and also smartmontools and diskutility - all give the same results so I trust the utilities even if I don't trust the numbers. Do you know where I can find a formatting utility from WD? I've only been able to find one for DOS so far which can't be right, can it?
[23:35] <daftykins> it can, often you need to avoid any OS to do things at a low level
[23:35] <daftykins> so WD would've linked you to 'WinDLG' aka Windows Data Lifeguard Diagnostics
[23:35] <daftykins> i was able to format a flash drive with win98 boot files to make it bootable and run the DOS version
[23:35] <daftykins> works a treat, although does take up your PC in the meantime :( heh
[23:36] <daftykins> depending on the size of disk it can take hours to properly zero
[23:36] <advancedgarde> Yes I know. Thankfully I have a spare computer I'm using. In the past I've used hirens boot CD for such thing but I don't have any CD drives at my house at the moment.
[23:38] <daftykins> ah
[23:38] <advancedgarde> So it looks as though WinDLG runs under windows, I'll boot into windows once badblocks is complete and see what I can do with that.
[23:40] <daftykins> yeah if it's a slave drive and you don't mount the file system all should be well
[23:40] <daftykins> just don't be surprised if it nukes the data, :D
[23:42] <advancedgarde> Yeah it's just a storage drive and I've copied everything I need from it. But a low level format will take a long time .. 2TB u_u
[23:48] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:48] <daftykins> indeed