[10:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, I want to post http://paste.ubuntu.com/5770487/ in my blog, so please review it:P
[10:26] <zequence> is mate available for Ubuntu?
[10:26] <zequence> I've never checked
[10:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, dunno:P But OvenWerks said that the menu just can't fit in there...
[10:27] <zequence> He might have been testing Mint
[10:27] <smartboyhw> Yeah though
[10:28] <zequence> We aren't designing an application to choose between DEs
[10:29] <zequence> it would just be an addition to the ubiquity installer (haven't yet checked how that works, but should be rather straight forward)
[10:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Our plan is to make an extension in ubiquity where users can choose whatever DE they want to use. Our live ISO will still include Xfce as the default desktop (and probably we will install it along with the user's DE of choice alongside so there's a backup solution), but we will give the users a convenient choice for using KDE or Unity.
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Is that OK?
[10:30] <zequence> sure
[10:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, can I post it now?
[10:31] <zequence> I'd be bloggin about this myself, or announcing our plans on Ubuntu Studio news, but haven't since very little is decided yet
[10:31] <zequence> I can't spot any other errors right now
[10:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK. Posting it now...
[10:32] <zequence> In general terms, one could say, we're exploring the way we could support multiple DEs
[14:01] <OvenWerks> zequence: (and anyone else) I would suggest that we only suport a DE if there is at least one person who is willing to support/keep up to date/test that DE.
[14:02] <OvenWerks> XFCE should remain the supported by the whole team.
[14:02] <OvenWerks> but other DEs should have one person each to keep them up (at least)
[14:03]  * smartboyhw keeps KDE since he is a Kubuntu member 
[14:03] <smartboyhw> And a packager too (now bumbling about some stupid Krita code)
[14:03] <OvenWerks> By DEs, I mean DE metas we ship as opposed DEs we expect people to install our metas into.
[14:05] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: our menu package just works with KDE. KDE is the only DE that has gotten it right
[14:05] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, \o/
[14:05] <OvenWerks> All of the other DEs do the menu merging at the wrong time.
[14:06]  * OvenWerks is just playing with lubuntu right now.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence do you think it will take a much longer time to test DE testcases before milestone releases?
[14:06] <OvenWerks> Another boot...
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Maybe let me try to do some ISo testing now...
[14:08] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I am thinking that for other DEs it would be nice to come up with an icon/logo that is half of the DE logo and half ours
[14:08] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, !?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> We are making another distribution then if so
[14:09] <OvenWerks> Like the KDE logo is round and ours is round... so take half of each.
[14:09] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, sure but GNOME?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Half-foot!?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Unity even?
[14:09] <OvenWerks> cool
[14:09]  * smartboyhw doesn't even think that Unity has a logo, IIRC.
[14:10] <OvenWerks> It just uses the ubuntu cof
[14:11] <OvenWerks> Ya and which end of the mouse do we use?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ?!
[14:11] <OvenWerks> maybe that is not such a great idea
[14:11] <OvenWerks> The mouse is xubuntu
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Yeah...
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Hmm, the -minimal thing doesn't exist for Kubuntu...
[14:12] <OvenWerks> Shouldn't be to hard to make one though
[14:12] <OvenWerks> The big thing would be to remove libre office
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Maybe we actually have..
[14:13] <OvenWerks> Studio already ships a lot of the KDE DE from pulling in kdenlive
[14:13]  * smartboyhw is asking in #kubuntu-devel
[14:13] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, that's true.
[14:14]  * OvenWerks will probably end up running KDE on his personal machine.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, we have kde-base for minimal.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> ;)
[14:15] <OvenWerks> Cool. Is that one of the seeds?
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Or kde-standards
[14:16] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, not exactly
[14:16] <OvenWerks> meta then.
[14:16] <OvenWerks> All you need is the debian/control file
[14:17] <OvenWerks> The list of depends will be in there
[14:18] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, the source package is meta-kde.
[14:19] <smartboyhw> I think kde-standard should be good enough
[14:20] <OvenWerks> Should be easy to drop the stuff into a seed... or just make that package the whole seed :)
[14:21] <OvenWerks> What happens if you install that meta on top of Studio?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, it gets you a very basic desktop with the kde *utilities* only.
[14:21] <smartboyhw> It doesn't include apps like krita or calligra or kdenlive
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Basically, a very bare KDE
[14:22] <OvenWerks> That shouldn't matter, because we ship all that stuff anyway
[14:23] <OvenWerks> Remember that the whole xfce stuff is already installed...
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Yeah
[14:24] <OvenWerks> Time to do bug reports :)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:48] <OvenWerks> lubuntu bug done... now for lxlauncher and lxmenu-data
[14:48] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, where's the bug?
[14:48]  * smartboyhw would be willing to tell the Lubuntu people
[14:49] <OvenWerks> Bug #1191527
[14:56] <zequence> OvenWerks: artwork would fall into madeinkobaias department, so any ideas should be passed along to him
[14:56] <zequence> Until said otherwise, our XFCE based desktop is default
[14:57] <zequence> right now, we have nothing else. We're just looking at the possibilities, so nothing to really make decisions on, I think
[14:57] <OvenWerks> next time he is on I will ask. We have to look at manpower first of course and as you say xfce comes first
[14:57] <zequence> Depends very much on how we enable the other DEs
[14:58] <zequence> might be as simple as running a script to update all of them for each new release
[14:58] <OvenWerks> ls
[14:58] <OvenWerks> oops wrong window
[15:02] <OvenWerks> could be.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> The extra artwork would take more time though
[16:47] <OvenWerks> micahg: I have been redoing ubuntustudio-menu from the ground up. I have been uploading snapshots to my own ppa for testing. With BZR I have been doing lots of commits.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> I can upload all of the commits or I can rebranch and just move all of the changes in in one lump as a starting point.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> which is better?
[16:54] <OvenWerks> What the branch looks like is https://code.launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+junk/ubuntustudio-menu
[17:32] <micahg> OvenWerks: you can merge the whole branch in if you like, it'll show up as one commit in the main listing, but you can drill down into the merged commits as well
[17:40] <zequence> micahg: we really need to get ubuntustudio-controls out of the repo
[17:40] <zequence> I always forget about it
[17:41] <zequence> it hasn't been doing anything useful I think for 3 years or so :P
[17:41] <zequence> well, maybe for firewire a little less than that
[17:42] <micahg> zequence: file a removal request and subscribe sponsors or ping me
[17:42] <zequence> micahg: Is that like a bug?
[17:42] <micahg> yes
[17:42] <zequence> ok, thanks
[19:32] <madeinkobaia> Hi all, for those who are concerned, I actually testing a new banner for our social sites. You can have a live preview of the actual project banner on my g+ page : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts any feedbacks are welcome.
[22:24] <OvenWerks> micahg: Thank you. It is not quite ready yet... I keep finding things I don't like. 
[22:28] <OvenWerks> zequence: Just found out how much you can put into a video machine: http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/Maximus.cfm Thats 5 GPUs in one machine. Oh and I think the two cpus are 8 cores a piece. These guys seem to have some of the lowest latency MB around (according to the RT test site). I may buy one of the lower priced ones when I have the resources to upgrade.
[22:30] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, use it for folding
[22:32] <OvenWerks> Folding?
[22:33] <OvenWerks> From what I read one of the GPUs is the actual video output and the other four are extra rendering processors
[22:34] <OvenWerks> It is more than I want/need.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> I will be looking for something with Intel graphics so I can use free drivers.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> I know they are not "the best", but better than anything I have and more than I need for my uses.