[00:48] <ahoneybun> hello all
[02:40] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: what do you think of the google+ page?
[03:24]  * smartboyhw continues to fix kactivites..........
[03:24] <ahoneybun> kactivites
[03:24] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:25] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, 4.11 Beta 1....
[03:25] <smartboyhw> Ohm it worked now.\
[03:26] <smartboyhw> Lemme try kde-workspace then...
[03:26] <ahoneybun> never heard of kactivites
[03:26] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, kactivities
[03:27] <smartboyhw> kde-workspace is  missing some XCB libraries ...
[03:48] <smartboyhw> Fixed, uploading to Ninjas PPA, will review after lunch.
[03:52] <smartboyhw> rather, post-piano lesson...
[06:06] <jussi> hrrrr... I hate you scanner!!! (yes, it works in one place, not the other...)
[06:10] <jussi> ahh found the answer. Perhaps we need to somehow make it easier/more discoverable? for users of hp printers - you need to follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[06:10] <jussi> simple enough, but frustrating if you just go to the printers thing
[06:16] <valorie> jussi - might be good to make a ubottu factoid link for that page? I've seen another person asking about one of those allinones, and I never found that page for them
[06:16] <valorie> :(
[06:16] <jussi> valorie: feel free to suggest...
[06:17] <valorie> jussi: how does one suggest/add one?
[06:18] <valorie> huh, ubottu has no 'help factoid'
[06:18] <jussi> valorie: !factoidname is <reply>info
[06:18] <jussi> !help
[06:19] <valorie> !hp
[06:19] <valorie> !hp is HP printers: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[06:20] <valorie> danke jussi
[06:29] <soee> good morning
[06:38] <ScottK> jussi: I have an all-in-one connected to the network and I didn't have to do any of that.  Just followed the normal printer install stuff and it just works.
[06:39] <jussi> ScottK: HP ?
[06:39] <ScottK> Yes.  
[06:40] <ScottK> OfficeJet Pro 8500
[07:11] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah, scanning doesn't work OOB with the all in one's for me as well
[07:11] <shadeslayer> jussi: I had to run hp-setup and then it worked
[07:13] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, thats exactly how it worked for me
[07:13] <shadeslayer> yup, same here, skanlite didn't find any scanners on the network
[07:14] <jussi> ScottK: when you say "normal printer install stuff" - can you define exactly what you mean. ie. localhost:631, Kubuntu printer install thing, HP-lip program?
[08:05] <smartboyhw> Damn it, kde-workspace still fails.
[08:06] <smartboyhw> the include file (/me checks debian/rules or something)
[08:08] <shadeslayer> hm? 
[08:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, of libxcb1-dev
[08:12] <yofel> morning
[08:12] <shadeslayer> morning :)
[08:12] <smartboyhw> Morning yofel trying to fix kde-workspace but the libxcb1-dev got an XCB_INCLUDE_DIR problem...
[08:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw what did you change in kde4libs to make it build?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> I just see symbol updates
[08:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: I fixed qtwebkit-source...
[08:13] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:13] <yofel> that had a broken dev symlink
[08:13] <yofel> smartboyhw: are all the xcb libs there?
[08:13] <shadeslayer> armhf is FTBFS there
[08:13]  * yofel looks at the buld log
[08:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, we need all?
[08:13] <smartboyhw> I thought libxcb1-dev is OK.
[08:14] <smartboyhw> And clearly some XCB extensions are not packaged.
[08:14] <yofel> -- Could NOT find XCB_KEYSYMS (missing:  XCB_KEYSYMS_LIBRARIES XCB_KEYSYMS_INCLUDE_DIR) 
[08:14] <yofel> -- Could NOT find XCB_ICCCM (missing:  XCB_ICCCM_LIBRARIES XCB_ICCCM_INCLUDE_DIR) 
[08:14] <yofel> at least ICCCM is there, I know that
[08:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, which package? Can't find in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb
[08:14] <yofel> XCB is only found once all components are found
[08:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh...
[08:15] <yofel> libxcb-icccm4-dev
[08:15] <yofel> and libxcb-keysyms1-dev
[08:15]  * shadeslayer starts looking at other things
[08:15] <yofel> you could also look at the neon packaging branches, those already use them
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Ah, it was in another package.....
[08:15] <smartboyhw> *source package
[08:16] <smartboyhw> that's why me can't find..
[08:16] <yofel> udev and wayland are missing too 
[08:20] <smartboyhw> That's a lot of build-deps
[08:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: re qtwebkit armhf, that's a gcc bug, no?
[08:31] <smartboyhw> Uploading fix for kde-workspace into ninjas PPA.
[08:33] <shadeslayer> didn't check
[08:34] <yofel> /build/buildd/qtwebkit-source-2.3.1/Source/WebCore/svg/SVGPathElement.h:98:23: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2154
[08:34] <shadeslayer> The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
[08:34] <shadeslayer> what
[08:34] <smartboyhw> :O
[08:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: plz update notes.kde.org so that we don't step on each others toes
[08:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah sure:)
[08:42] <shadeslayer> thanks
[08:43] <smartboyhw> done.
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Hmm I think I added an extra m or something...
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Damnit
[08:47] <yofel> $ grep MISSING debian/libnepomukwidgets4.symbols | wc -l
[08:47] <yofel> 237
[08:47] <yofel> yaaaaaaay...
[08:49] <smartboyhw> :O
[08:50]  * smartboyhw damningly wastes banwidth on this thing....
[08:51] <yofel> vHanda: what the hell have you done to Nepomuk2::Utils in nepomuk-widgets? Most of it looks gone
[08:52]  * smartboyhw goes and eats a cake....
[08:52] <smartboyhw> If this still doesn't work, it would be very damning.
[08:53] <yofel> nah, kde-workspace is always a lot of work
[09:01] <yofel> vHanda: hm, ok. I see that you never shipped headers for those so it's fine...
[09:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: just build kde-workspace locally first
[09:04] <yofel> "just"
[09:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[09:05] <smartboyhw> just:P
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Oh gd it failed again:P
[09:05] <smartboyhw> What? I did have udev and xmms...
[09:06] <smartboyhw> But seems like the problem wasn't actually that....
[09:06] <smartboyhw> -- DebianABIManager: unable to find CMake target 'solidcontrol' for package 'libsolidcontrol4abi2'. Please set X-CMake-Target
[09:06] <smartboyhw> -- DebianABIManager: unable to find CMake target 'solidcontrolifaces' for package 'libsolidcontrolifaces4abi2'. Please set X-CMake-Target
[09:06] <smartboyhw> ?
[09:06] <smartboyhw> I have to enable these packages?
[09:07] <yofel> urgh, DebianABIManager easily gets confused by our double-build of workspace
[09:08] <smartboyhw> meh
[09:08] <smartboyhw> I don't have xmms actually, let me enable
[09:08] <yofel> forget XMMS
[09:08] <smartboyhw> But they're optional....
[09:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, ?
[09:08] <smartboyhw> Ah, they are not in there...
[09:09] <yofel> smartboyhw: we don't use it
[09:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK.
[09:09] <yofel> so it's intentionally missing
[09:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, so how to dump that DebianABIManager error?....
[09:11] <yofel> smartboyhw: I would start by checking whether that target is there at all
[09:13] <shadeslayer> eh
[09:13] <shadeslayer> kate was never uploaded?
[09:13] <yofel> patch issues, no?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:14] <yofel> you put that list up :P
[09:14] <yofel> thank you akonadi/nepomuk for using 3 of my 4 cpu cores...
[09:14]  * smartboyhw tries to build locally (but first lemme install the build-deps first...
[09:14] <yofel> mail indexing it seems
[09:15] <shadeslayer> true, that doesn't mean my memory is strong at recalling why I put some of the items there :P
[09:19] <shadeslayer> eh, we have a kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch
[09:19] <shadeslayer> but that's not applied?
[09:21] <shadeslayer>   * Remove kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch now upstream
[09:21] <shadeslayer> ah well, someone forgot to remove it
[09:21] <shadeslayer> along with some other patches
[09:26]  * smartboyhw kicks off a build........
[09:30] <smartboyhw> Yep, still the same strange build target thing.
[09:35] <yofel> smartboyhw: not strange at all
[09:36] <yofel> smartboyhw: 4.10.80 doesn't have a solidcontrol library
[09:36] <yofel> so it obviously can't find the cmake target for it
[09:36] <smartboyhw> yofel, :O
[09:37] <smartboyhw> delete those two then!?
[09:37] <smartboyhw> (damnit)
[09:40] <yofel> probably, I'm still trying to find out exactly when that was removed
[09:40] <yofel> but my git foo is failing me
[09:41] <apachelogger> yofel: shadeslayer: so, where do we put the packaging?
[09:41] <shadeslayer> gitorious/github is fine
[09:41] <yofel> why github o.O?
[09:42] <yofel> what's wrong with kde/launchpad
[09:42] <shadeslayer> oh right
[09:42] <shadeslayer> launchpad is fine as well
[09:42] <apachelogger> yofel: you'd have to talk to kde, they may have a problem with it *shrug*
[09:42] <yofel> the workspace diff I see reminds me of something I picked up in opensuse-kde: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/networkmanagement/repository/revisions/9a35e04121faafb2a95057f367925c165c3c3337
[09:42] <yofel> need to ask lamarque what that's about
[09:44] <yofel> apachelogger: then just use launchpad
[09:45] <apachelogger> lunchpad ftw
[09:46]  * yofel -> lunch
[09:46] <yofel> bbl
[09:47] <apachelogger> I made yofel hungry ^^
[09:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Hmm, I saw a commit on 19th June about removing solid::control
[09:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, you are correct, it's removed...
[09:51] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: what we'll have is lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/qt5recipes (all qt recipes for buildr in one palce) - lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/qtbase; lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/qtgui; lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/kdelibs (packaging) - lp:~neon/kdelibs/frameworks (bzr import branch) - qt5 will be cloned and source packaged outside of launchpad and uploaded to the ppa by buildr
[09:52] <apachelogger> !info muon
[09:52] <apachelogger> !info muon saucy
[09:53]  * smartboyhw rebuilds again.
[09:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/17/plasma-desktopbr2258.png has that view changed in master? and if so do we get a newer discover for saucy?
[09:54] <smartboyhw> It BUILDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:54]  * smartboyhw does a tap dance:P
[09:55] <shadeslayer> we have gnome-keyring in the ISO now :(
[09:55] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/saucy-desktop-amd64.manifest
[09:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, why?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> because of muon-discover
[09:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :O
[09:55] <smartboyhw> muon-discover requires gnome-keyring?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> no
[09:56] <smartboyhw> recommends?
[09:56] <shadeslayer> * muon-discover recommends ubuntu-sso-client depends python-ubuntu-sso-client depends on gnome-keyring
[09:56] <apachelogger> what's wrong with gnome-keyring?
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Ah................
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Actually, having gnome-keyring is better than not.
[09:56] <apachelogger> KDE has not managed to provide a secrets API implementation for what... 3 years now :O
[09:57] <smartboyhw> I sometimes get stupid gnome-keyring warnings:p
[09:57] <apachelogger> gsettings-desktop-schemas	3.8.0-1ubuntu1
[09:57] <apachelogger> that sounds less appropriate
[09:57] <apachelogger> actually
[09:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why libgtk2/3 are on the ISO is more interesting
[09:58] <shadeslayer> probably recommended by something
[09:58] <apachelogger> supposedly because of libdbusmenu-gtk3-4:amd64	12.10.3daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[09:58] <apachelogger> libdbusmenu-gtk4:amd64	12.10.3daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[09:58] <apachelogger> but who'd know
[09:58] <apachelogger> also
[09:58] <smartboyhw> I think I should go and take a shower while this kde-workspace builds (now 22%)
[09:58] <apachelogger> those packages sound like deep shit TBH
[09:58] <apachelogger> does ubuntu ship libdbusmenu-qt2?
[09:59] <apachelogger> then why do we need the gtk libs?
[09:59] <apachelogger> ...
[09:59] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[09:59] <shadeslayer> someone plz implement secret service stuffs in KWallet
[09:59] <smartboyhw> http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/c1bac37206b542198385067f36d47dead10297=
[09:59] <smartboyhw> a2
[09:59] <smartboyhw> the commit which killed off solidcontrol
[09:59] <smartboyhw> http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/c1bac37206b542198385067f36d47dead10297=a2 actually
[10:24] <smartboyhw> 27%, 2nd stage.
[10:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, BTW next time you don't have to explicitly state "saucy-proposed" for dev release uploads, write "saucy" and it will redirect it for you (saw the changelog in kde-workspace)
[10:28] <shadeslayer> which upload is this?
[10:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, 4.10.4 saucy.
[10:30] <shadeslayer> don't think that was me
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Or apachelogger ?
[10:30]  * smartboyhw easily forgets names
[10:30] <smartboyhw> ......
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell I guess
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Damn it..
[10:31] <smartboyhw>  -- Rohan Garg <rohangarg@kubuntu.org>   Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:19:37 +0100
[10:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, is it you?^
[10:31] <shadeslayer> yes, but, I usually don't upload to saucy-proposed
[10:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ooh
[10:32] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[10:32] <shadeslayer> kate done as well
[10:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, \o/
[10:32] <smartboyhw> kde-workspace should be able to be uploaded within 1 hour or so.
[10:40] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: rev 766 in kde-workspace packaging
[10:40] <shadeslayer> -.-
[10:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, 15 years ago? Why do you want that!?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> I meant the bzr rev
[10:41] <shadeslayer> stupid ubottu
[10:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[10:48] <smartboyhw> Help..... Can someone suggest solutions to http://paste.kde.org/775856/ ?
[10:48] <smartboyhw> Almost finally, and it failed.
[10:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^
[10:48]  * smartboyhw really has to go for a shower...
[10:48] <shadeslayer> cp: cannot stat ‘debian/tmp/usr/bin/solid-network’: No such file or directory
[10:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's that?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: likewise
[10:48] <smartboyhw> That's the question...
[10:49] <shadeslayer> means there is no usr/bin/solid-network anymore
[10:49] <shadeslayer> and you need to drop it from the install file
[10:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, uh, that requires me to build it again and again....
[10:49] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: let me know if you want an EC2 instance
[10:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I think later.
[10:49] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:50] <yofel> smartboyhw: the saucy-proposed thing came from the upload script I believe
[10:50] <yofel> mind fixing that?
[10:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, laters, let me get this kde-workspace done.
[10:50] <yofel> k
[10:50] <smartboyhw> The problem is that it doesn't tell WHICH install file which means I have to go through them:(
[10:51] <shadeslayer> grep it
[10:51] <yofel> uh,  it does?
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Yeah, I need it.
[10:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: it usually shows you the target folder it tries to copy the file into
[10:52] <yofel> you can guess the install file from that
[10:52] <smartboyhw> Oh yeah it does:P
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Hmm weird, that file doesn't even exist..............
[10:54] <smartboyhw> in the .install file
[10:55] <smartboyhw> Yes found it!!!!!!!!
[10:55] <smartboyhw> yofel, should I better also remove things with networkmanager in the .install file?
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Since clearly that thing doesn't exist at all......
[10:56] <yofel> probably, otherwise this will take ages. You can add stuff back when it shows in list-missing
[10:57] <ScottK> jussi: Printers thing in system settings --> Add printer.
[10:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: that doesn't make the scanner work
[10:58] <shadeslayer> only adds the printer
[10:58]  * smartboyhw now goes and takes a shower while this thing rebuilds.
[10:58] <ScottK> When I fire up skanlite, it finds it on the network.
[10:59] <ScottK> I don't think I had to set up anything for that.
[10:59] <yofel> it does so here too, but I have hp-systray running so maybe that helps
[11:00] <ScottK> I don't.
[11:00]  * ScottK needs to go.
[11:00] <shadeslayer> bah, power outage
[11:01] <shadeslayer> will poke kde-baseapps once its restored 
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:24] <Riddell> "Kenny Duffus (kduffus) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2014-06-24" yay seaLne still loves us!
[11:28] <seaLne> :)
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[11:32] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[11:32] <yofel> hm?
[11:34] <apachelogger> yofel: are you going to port your neon macro stuff to kf5?
[11:34] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain if I touch it the builds will not work for the rest of the year :S
[11:35] <yofel> apachelogger: can do, what exactly needs porting though? (note: i have yet to make one successful build of qt5 and kf5...)
[11:36] <apachelogger> yofel: put everything into /opt/project-neon-kf5 I guess
[11:36] <apachelogger> or project-neon5
[11:36] <apachelogger> which do you like better?
[11:37] <yofel> latter
[11:38] <apachelogger> include /opt/project-neon5/share/project-neon/pkg-project-neon.mk
[11:39] <apachelogger> yofel: what do we call the packages? project-neon5-qtbase?
[11:40] <yofel> rather
[11:40] <yofel> include /opt/project-neon5/share/pkg-project-neon/1/project-neon.mk
[11:40] <apachelogger> yofel: that's what you have in your qt :P
[11:40] <yofel> as I won't mess with the current buildsystem rev, or things really will not work for a year 11
[11:40] <yofel> ^^
[11:41] <yofel> apachelogger: that's a legacy symlink to ../pkg-project-neon/0/project-neon.mk
[11:41] <apachelogger> using /1/ then :P
[11:42] <yofel> hm...
[11:43] <yofel> this was never designed for renaming the project folder -.-
[11:43] <apachelogger> that's why I said there's a whole bunch of crap that needs changing :P
[11:45] <yofel> yeah, but that even counts for project-neon-runtime, as that's currently a flat folder structure in bzr that's packaged.
[11:45] <yofel> and cp -r opt/project-neon opt/project-neon5 sounds wrong -.-
[11:45] <apachelogger> why?
[11:45] <soee> how is the work on 4.11 going ? :) i read opensuse has it ready already 
[11:46] <yofel> apachelogger: I'll duplicate the buildsystem, but that's my fault for putting it there I guess
[11:46] <Riddell> still coming along, we've had a year's worth of debian merges to do as well so not as fast as ideal but it's on its way
[11:46] <Riddell> soee: all help appreciated
[11:47] <shadeslayer> apol still hasn't bumped the so version
[11:47] <shadeslayer> boo
[11:47] <soee> Riddell, i would help if i would know anything about packaging - its in my plans to learn but have no time for this atm (to many projects to do)
[11:48] <smartboyhw> Request for EC2s....
[11:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: you fine wth /opt/project-neon5? better idea?
[11:48]  * shadeslayer thinks that's fine
[11:48] <apachelogger> yofel: IMO not sharing the buildsystem is the way to go anyway
[11:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer can you guys get me one?
[11:48] <apachelogger> when two things that are not the same live in the same file thigns get messy
[11:48] <apachelogger> ask shadeslayer and his pgst stuff :P
[11:49] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: get you what?
[11:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ec2:P
[11:49] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:49] <shadeslayer> ec2
[11:49] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah, that's why I wanted to add a new rev, but there's a lot more in there that musn't be shared
[11:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[11:49] <yofel> apachelogger: I think i'll just for project-neon-runtime and make project-neon5-runtime
[11:49] <yofel> *fork
[11:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell can probably do that better
[11:50] <apachelogger> yofel: sounds good to me
[11:51] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/project-neon5
[11:53] <yofel> Quintasan: ^
[11:58] <apachelogger> yofel: I suppose we want a separate ppa?
[11:59] <apachelogger> oh, I already created one with a silly name
[11:59] <apachelogger> ololo
[11:59] <yofel> do we really need a spereate one?
[12:00] <apachelogger> for the time being I'd keep the stuff separate tbh
[12:00] <apachelogger> only bloats each other's apt cache
[12:00] <apachelogger> and it's perfectly reasonable to use only the kf5 neon or only the sc4 neon
[12:01] <apachelogger> oh well
[12:01] <yofel> sure, but they should be able to co-exist, and I don't want to deprecate a ppa with 32G of space :P
[12:01] <apachelogger> it wouldn't be deprecation
[12:01] <apachelogger> at some point the main ppa will become the ppa for frameworks5 stuff :P
[12:01] <yofel> but yeah, a work archive until we have something that works would be good
[12:01] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5
[12:02] <apachelogger> feel free to propoes better name :P
[12:02] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:02] <apachelogger> yofel: please poke me when you have make runtime whatever magic that possibly builds, I'll try to make qtbase build work then
[12:03]  * apachelogger is very excited \\o/
[12:03] <yofel> that'll be good for neon. lately it's mostly been in maintenance mode ^^
[12:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so will this be coinstallable with regular PN?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: because it works so well :P
[12:04] <apachelogger> that's the reason we want opt/project-neon5/
[12:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, but you'll also need config stuff
[12:04] <shadeslayer> and a desktop file
[12:04] <yofel> desktop is no issue
[12:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[12:04] <apachelogger> there is no desktop?! :P
[12:04] <yofel> the utils are an issue because I put those in /usr
[12:05] <yofel> on my todo for later though
[12:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: alternative config folder to ~/.project-neon-kde
[12:05] <yofel> I'll probably just name everything neon5-* ^^
[12:05] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: alternative everything
[12:05] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:05] <yofel> at least we have experience in that :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:06] <shadeslayer> atleast we have a env rc file that we can sed out :P
[12:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what are your thoughts on gtk bits landing on the ISO when you add muon-discover?
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Nobody gave me an EC2?:(
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Rebuilding again....
[12:17] <apachelogger> ehm
[12:17] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/775874/
[12:17] <apachelogger> ?
[12:18] <yofel> apachelogger: without that qtscriptgenerator doesn't build
[12:18] <apachelogger> because qtscriptgenerator apparently is too stupid to include PHONON_INCLUDES
[12:19] <yofel> probably, the archive package has phonon-inc.patch for that
[12:19]  * apachelogger shakes head
[12:19]  * yofel agrees
[12:24] <yofel> apachelogger: do we need package tests? Nobody cared to make them work for neon4...
[12:24] <apachelogger> yofel: package tests?
[12:24] <yofel> dh_auto_test
[12:24] <apachelogger> nah
[12:24] <apachelogger> mighty upstraem has CI ^^
[12:24] <yofel> ok, removed
[12:24] <yofel> true, that actually works, dh tests don't
[12:25]  * yofel fixes a bazillion hardcoded project names...
[12:27] <shadeslayer> *blink*
[12:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/775880/
[12:29] <yofel> o.O
[12:29] <yofel> uh oh...
[12:29] <shadeslayer> ?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> not even sure where that comes from tbh
[12:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: check the control file, but I might know where that came from
[12:30] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:30] <shadeslayer> Package: libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.10.80)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> xD
[12:30] <yofel> yeah, I feared as much
[12:30] <yofel> I broke kubuntu-initial-upload
[12:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:31] <yofel> fixed
[12:31] <shadeslayer> awesome
[12:32]  * yofel had totally forgotten to revert that -.-
[12:34]  * yofel wonders whether we still need update_qt_cache.pl
[12:34] <yofel> probably not
[12:34] <yofel> actually it makes no sense as it has qt4 in the path
[12:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: Got the tablet
[12:51] <Quintasan> 1. Great return address (>We don't have countries in Scotland)
[12:51] <shadeslayer> \o/
[12:51] <shadeslayer> haha
[12:51] <Quintasan> 2. You kind of forgot to delete you google data
[12:51] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/775898 project-neon5-runtime
[12:51] <Quintasan> ie. I had access to your inbox
[12:51] <yofel> now I need to review that ^^
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: looks like this in master: http://i.imgur.com/mUnq12Z.png
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> (for 2.1 for saucy)
[12:53]  * Quintasan kindly deletes everything from the tablet
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: No worries, Riddell doesn't have many secrets:P
[12:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: here's what I've been working on for the rootfs http://paste.kde.org/775910/
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hopefully you can use that to create a rootfs for the userdata partition
[12:57] <shadeslayer> just copy the tar and extract it using the recovery
[12:57] <shadeslayer> missing some characters the script is
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Better : http://paste.kde.org/775916/
[13:01] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like me having access to every message you receive
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I know:)
[13:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ok
[13:02] <Quintasan> will try
[13:02] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:03] <shadeslayer> you're on your own wrt the kernel stuff though :P
[13:03] <Quintasan> mmkya
[13:03] <yofel> apachelogger: final include path: /opt/project-neon5/share/pkg-project-neon5/0/project-neon5.mk
[13:03] <Quintasan> Where the hell is our bug policy?
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Srsly, someone give me an ec2 or I can't finish the package within three days.....
[13:04] <smartboyhw> package = kde-workspace 4.10.80
[13:04] <yofel> Quintasan: what bug policy?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Too many extra files here.....
[13:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: just a second
[13:04] <yofel> smartboyhw: I can give you an account on my server, it's not that fast, but probably faster than anything you have
[13:04] <Quintasan> yofel: As in where to report bugs against packages in kubuntu-ppa
[13:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, I will wait for shadeslayer ...
[13:04] <Quintasan> yofel: I have a user that claims kde-style-oxygen is not supporting multilib
[13:05] <yofel> Quintasan: packaging bugs go there, that's in every news item on kubuntu.org
[13:06] <shadeslayer> need to get 56 MB's of packages /o\
[13:07] <smartboyhw> Hurray/o\
[13:07] <smartboyhw> LO
[13:07] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:09] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: need 5 minutes while packages are downloaded and installed
[13:10] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, eh.....
[13:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, you can give me an ec2 now right?
[13:10]  * yofel doesn't have the ec2 account information
[13:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bettar
[13:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh alright
[13:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still terrible affordance on them icons
[13:11]  * smartboyhw would have hoped that Riddell is not away or idle....
[13:11] <apachelogger> a magic wand to change the display of items
[13:11] <apachelogger> that is "new" :P
[13:11] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+packages \o/
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:11] <apachelogger> yofel: weeh \o/
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at least list1 list2 and list3 weren't in the list :P
[13:12] <apachelogger> yofel: I'll try to fiddle qtbase in about 1hr
[13:12] <yofel> apachelogger: where's the qt5/kf5 build guide on techbase again? I didn't find it when I looked for it a week ago...
[13:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: need more lists :@
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: iirc apol was experimenting with different views
[13:13] <apachelogger> yofel: that's the trick, it aint on techbase :P
[13:13] <apachelogger> yofel: http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Building
[13:13] <yofel> . . .
[13:13] <yofel> thanks
[13:15] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: need your ssh key
[13:15] <yofel> https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon5-runtime
[13:15] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, check in launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[13:15] <smartboyhw> There's my sshhhhhhshshsh key:P
[13:20] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: ubuntu@ec2-50-17-121-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[13:20] <shadeslayer> check if it works
[13:20] <shadeslayer> it's a saucy ami
[13:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep:) thanks
[13:20] <shadeslayer> so you can just do sudo apt-get builddep kde-workspace and run dpkg-buildpackage on that
[13:21] <yofel> good that I read the kf5 wiki, neon doesn't have QML2_IMPORT_PATH set yet
[13:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's happening with those 403 Forbidden messages? I can't install any package now....
[13:24] <shadeslayer> huh?
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:25] <smartboyhw> ....
[13:25] <shadeslayer> screw that
[13:25] <shadeslayer> probably ec2 being shit
[13:25] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: fixed
[13:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, thx!
[13:26] <shadeslayer> np
[13:26] <smartboyhw> God, it's faster:)
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[13:26] <yofel> "Don't bother with KDEDIR and KDEHOME etc. this stuff isn't used anymore. "
[13:26] <yofel> eeeeh?
[13:27] <yofel> apachelogger: kf5 is pure-XDG?
[13:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: get ec2 sorted?
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep:)
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: gtk bits should be removed, wasn't it a simple recommend somewhere?
[13:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you contacted upstream analitza about soname?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I did poke apol
[13:38] <shadeslayer> he said he'll do it
[13:38] <shadeslayer> but I haven't heard back from him 
[13:39] <shadeslayer> nor do I see a commit
[13:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "kde-runtime shadeslayer WOP"  WOP?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> maybe we should do it ourselves
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should say WIP
[13:39] <shadeslayer> WOP was a typo earlier :P
[13:39] <Riddell> looks like you guys are onto the build failures, I'll get onto the package splitting
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yeah, that'd be awesome
[13:40] <shadeslayer> I'l be leaving in 1 hour
[13:40] <shadeslayer> plan on finshing ~everything in the build-failiures
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer I just can't install one of the build-deps......
[13:44] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: are you running byobu?
[13:44] <smartboyhw> kdepimlibs5-dev 
[13:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Ninjas PPA enabled.
[13:44] <shadeslayer> kdepim isn't done yet afaict
[13:44] <shadeslayer> yofel is working on that
[13:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, em I can actually install it on my local computer....
[13:45] <Riddell> what happens?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> my screen is full of dots
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, a lot of probs and finally sounds like libicalc1 is just uninstallable
[13:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?!!!?!?!
[13:47] <shadeslayer> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/17/plasma-desktopvg2737.png
[13:47] <smartboyhw> nice;P
[13:47] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, if you ebnable proposed it might work for you ..i had to do so yesterday and libicalc1 installed ok 
[13:47] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, ah......
[13:47] <Riddell> presumably your terminal is larger than the other user of that screen session
[13:48] <shadeslayer> I see only a small part of the screen : http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/17/plasma-desktopJN2737.png
[13:48] <smartboyhw> I have a small terminal:P
[13:50]  * shadeslayer rages at quilt
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Thank you BluesKaj 
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Now I can finally build heh heh
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Who changed byobu's behaviour!?
[13:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: thanks for reminding me of what I wanted to do before neon distraced me ^^
[13:51] <shadeslayer> moi
[13:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: np
[13:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: any ideas why quilt would say "No series file found" even though I specify debian/patches in quiltrc
[13:52] <shadeslayer> QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[13:52] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, I'm still having a proble with katepart being held back , so a warning is in order here , probly disabling proposed now is a good idea , ..I waited too long 
[13:52] <yofel> other than the file not being there, no
[13:52] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, yeah...
[13:53] <yofel> BluesKaj: do you have the ninja ppa enabled? That would be worse than -proposed right now
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Hmm BTW can someone ask in #calligra again for the armhf solution!?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, I have:P (wihout proposed however)
[13:53] <Riddell> what's wrong with calligra?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, armhf doesn't build and some files are duplicated...
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Meaning Breaks and Replaces are needed.
[13:54] <Riddell> hmm
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, we discussed yesterday and it turns out that it doesn
[13:54] <smartboyhw> 't use qreal
[13:55] <Riddell> /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.92/krita/image/kis_filter_weights_applicator.h: In member function 'KisFixedPoint KisFilterWeightsApplicator::l_to_c(KisFixedPoint) const':
[13:55] <Riddell> /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.92/krita/image/kis_filter_weights_applicator.h:302:5: error: control reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type]
[13:55] <Riddell> ah this is qreal fun
[13:55] <Riddell> /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.92/krita/image/kis_filter_weights_applicator.h:135:55: error: conversion from 'double' to 'const KisFixedPoint' is ambiguous
[13:55] <smartboyhw> yep. I asked #krita yesterday, no one replied.
[13:55] <Riddell> so just add some casts in the right place
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and I need to provide you a fixed control file.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Which I have here...
[13:56] <smartboyhw> email maybe?
[13:56] <yofel> bzr?
[13:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: fixed control for what?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, not sure if I bzr it.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> yofel, thanks , I think so ...c hecking
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, there are errrors...
[13:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: in calligra?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, let me get it...
[13:57] <yofel> smartboyhw: why not?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, http://paste.kde.org/775346/
[13:58]  * smartboyhw thinks that ec2s build slower.....
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Or did I used a far too low -j ?
[13:58]  * smartboyhw used -j4 in both his computer and the ec2.
[13:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: the cheap ec2s are pretty slow yes
[13:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: does it have 4 cores? else -j4 will make it slower
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought it has..... Anyplace where I can see?
[13:59] <Riddell> smartboyhw: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[13:59] <Riddell> smartboyhw: looks like fixes needed, if you have them put them in bzr
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK....
[14:00] <shadeslayer> you could try GCE
[14:00] <shadeslayer> instead of EC2
[14:00] <shadeslayer> supposedly faster
[14:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's GCE?
[14:00] <Riddell> what's GCE?
[14:00] <yofel> btw. we need this for 4.11: http://paste.kde.org/775898
[14:00] <shadeslayer> GOogle Compute Engine
[14:00] <yofel> erm
[14:00] <yofel> http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.de/2013/06/plasma-nm-0909.html
[14:00] <yofel> I mean
[14:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, is it expensive?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> dunno, haven't done a price comparison
[14:01]  * smartboyhw wants to dump the kde-workspace work and do plasma nm :P
[14:01] <Riddell> yofel: hmm interesting.  we also have a todo item to package the new plasmoid afiestas_ is working on
[14:01] <smartboyhw> much hell easier:P
[14:01] <shadeslayer> https://developers.google.com/compute/docs/pricing
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it does have 4 cores (the ec2)
[14:02] <shadeslayer> if you look at the high CPU machine types, it's 0.163 USD / hour
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Maybe -j8 will be better:P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: really? I see only 1 core
[14:03] <afiestas_> Riddell: new plasmoid? what?
[14:03] <afiestas_> aaaa
[14:03] <afiestas_> plasma-nm !
[14:03] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, according to the CPU.......
[14:03]  * smartboyhw doesn't know...
[14:03] <afiestas_> I'm not working on it, other people in solid are
[14:03] <yofel> problem with pnm 0.9.0.9 is that it requires NM >= 0.9.8 which rules out 12.04 and 12.10
[14:03] <smartboyhw> yofel, eh:(
[14:04] <yofel> maybe just backporting the modemmanagager part could be done
[14:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I only see processor       : 0
[14:04] <Riddell> yofel: why would you want to backport it?
[14:04] <yofel> Riddell: kde-workspace 4.11 has no modemmanager anymore, that's why pnm 0.9.0.9 ships an embedded copy
[14:05]  * yofel would guess that at least the mobile phone stuff would break
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Description:  Socket: LGA771, Clockspeed: 2.7 GHz, No of Cores: 4, Max TDP: 80 W
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Other names:  Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5430 @ 2.66GHz
[14:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^ ?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:06] <shadeslayer> that doesn't mean you have access to all the cores :P
[14:06] <yofel> I'm not too sure we want to do backports for 12.10, but 12.04 would be nice - if doable (not of the betas)
[14:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, heck 1 is too slow....
[14:08] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:08] <shadeslayer> I can't fix kde-runtime without quilt
[14:11] <Riddell> so install quilt?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have it installed, but it doesn't work :(
[14:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :O
[14:11] <smartboyhw> How come?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> can't find the series file for some reason
[14:12]  * smartboyhw decides to go and package PNM while waiting for the SLOW ec2.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> And if it's my sleep time, shadeslayer can take over:):P
[14:12] <shadeslayer> nope, I'm heading out to watch a movie soonish
[14:12] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, heck....\
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell maybe?
[14:13] <yofel> now that's a nice patch name
[14:13] <yofel> kubuntu_REMOVE_WITH_4.11_nodisplay_import_wizard.diff
[14:13] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[14:14] <shadeslayer> don't think I can get kde-runtime done in time :(
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: $QUILT_PATCHES set?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I set it in ~/.quiltrc
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, does Plasma NM exist in repos?
[14:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well yes we've been using it for years
[14:15] <yofel> smartboyhw: yeah, source is networkmanagement
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Found it.
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[14:16] <shadeslayer> interesting
[14:16] <shadeslayer> exporting did the job
[14:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: So you are telling me this command will generate working rootfs for armhf?
[14:22] <apachelogger> yofel: yes XDG, finally :P
[14:22] <yofel> \o/
[14:22] <apachelogger> it's like 3000 degrees in my office
[14:22] <apachelogger> HALP
[14:23]  * yofel put the coffee he just made into the refidgerator. maybe that'll be edible in an hour
[14:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[14:23]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[14:23] <smartboyhw> I think someone has to take over the ec2 build then........
[14:23] <apachelogger> yus!
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Too long. I would have slept by then (ETA 12:30 A.M. HKT)
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Or even longer...
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: this should help re: stale updates http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git&a=commit&h=7e1aaaaf0706bb62a55b24a455783a119c369c33
[14:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, it helps a bit
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> the thing is, APT doesn't really support a sane workflow in that regard :s
[14:25] <apachelogger> needs fixy
[14:26] <apachelogger> actually I think the problem is with libapt, if it runs into 404 a client should be able to handle this
[14:26] <apachelogger> which would for all and every transport amount to refresh cache
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Hurray, kcron failed with some strange sbuildrc error:P
[14:27] <apachelogger> in fact, apt should just refersh the cache whenever it wants to do something :P
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Retrying
[14:28] <apachelogger> the problem is ... in terms of the archive you'd not get a 404 but still pointlessly update to possibly even broken versions
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:28] <apachelogger> say 1ubuntu13.04.1 was pushed to updates, then you refresh, 3 days later you update to that version but meanwhile 1ubuntu13.04.2 was pushed to updates fixing a grave regression
[14:29] <apachelogger> lot's of not so easy prevent corner cases with apt unfotunately :(
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes, for some definition of working
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Someone fix kcron, kde4-config can't be found. Better still, cmake can be specified (>= 2.8)
[14:30] <Quintasan> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479913
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: make sure you have a standard ubuntu initrd
[14:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^ I found this
[14:30] <shadeslayer> oh cool
[14:30] <apachelogger> fun game: search the backlog for need
[14:31] <apachelogger> you are all very needy people
[14:31] <apachelogger> also the software is very needy
[14:31] <apachelogger> :P
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yofel, I have to leave your ninja ppa enabled until the katepart libkatepartinterfaces4 depenedencies are available 
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ok I've gtg
[14:34] <shadeslayer> if someone wants to do kde-runtime feel free to take it
[14:35] <smartboyhw> I forgotten, what's the command invoking --list-missing again?
[14:35]  * apachelogger builders qtbase
[14:36] <apachelogger> yofel: btw, problem with builder as it is right now... one could not build different series at the same time
[14:36] <apachelogger> then again I wonder whether that is desirable nayway
[14:36] <apachelogger> *anyway
[14:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: Flashing SDE to the Archos tablet voids the warranty, I believe that's what we actually want :P
[14:37] <apachelogger> cache needed locking and build dir needs name change
[14:37] <apachelogger> latter is easy, former can get very tricky ^^
[14:37] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, you know the answer?
[14:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you definitely want SDE
[14:37] <apachelogger> you can't do shit without the SDE :S
[14:37] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: 42
[14:38] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: dh_install?
[14:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ah thx
[14:38] <apachelogger> depends on what list-missing you want :P
[14:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: warranty shmarranty
[14:38] <apachelogger> we also have a more generic list-missing technique via pbuilder hooks
[14:40] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: have you looked into the steam issue?
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> like I said, it requires supporting the Ubuntu Web Store, which is being worked on
[14:41] <ahoneybun> web store?
[14:42]  * apachelogger forwards to phoronix "muon developer: if you can't buy prn there, it aint high priority to support"
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: I thought we'd talked about this, maybe not
[14:42] <Quintasan> LOL
[14:42] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: I never heard of a Web Store
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: Ubuntu offers it as a free app through its web store
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> through the same service it offers 3rd party for-purchase apps
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Hey ahoneybun 
[14:43] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: hello
[14:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is still blocking that btw?
[14:43] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: but that does not make it any easier for Kubuntu users
[14:43] <apachelogger> seems like years since we first talked about it :(
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: well up until a year ago I didn't have the time.... Then I had to do LibQApt2 for the last release
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: yeah. but then Canonical never really cared about Kubuntu
[14:44] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: I kinda get that feeling
[14:44] <apachelogger> well
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I've almost got it working now. Should be in 2.1
[14:45] <ahoneybun> is there anything that the Kubuntu devels can do though?
[14:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is that going to be in saucy? xD
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> I've been working on an Ubuntu Web Store backend for Muon 2.1
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: that's the dream
[14:45]  * apachelogger likes to dream
[14:46] <smartboyhw> JontheEchidna, web store?
[14:46] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: read backlog
[14:46]  * smartboyhw can't understand...
[14:47]  * apachelogger paints a picture of a unicorn on the channel wall
[14:47] <apachelogger> this is saucy
[14:47] <apachelogger> end of story
[14:47] <apachelogger> .
[14:47] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: so Muon will be able to access ubuntu web store?
[14:47] <apachelogger> debian/rules:5: /opt/project-neon5/share/pkg-project-neon/1/project-neon.mk: No such file or directory
[14:47] <apachelogger> oh
[14:47] <apachelogger> right
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Hell, why we never heard of Ubuntu Web Store?
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> smartboyhw: no clue. it's been around for 2 or 3 years
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> as part of the Ubuntu Software Center
[14:49] <Riddell> kuser is a licence mess, some files gpl 2, some gpl 2+ and some gpl 2,3
[14:49] <Riddell> grump grump
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: items for purchase in the web store will be displayed like normal applications in Muon: http://i.imgur.com/LxCMfV6.png
[14:49] <apachelogger> webstore is just another frontend
[14:49] <apachelogger> like ubuntu software center
[14:49] <apachelogger> albeit former didn't really take off
[14:49] <apachelogger> like anything web in ubuntuland
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> also http://i.imgur.com/iPDFKxK.png
[14:50] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: so I take this will fix the steam problem as well
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: yes
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that website seems illthemed :P
[14:50] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: awesome
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also your cpus be very hawt
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: running Folding @ Home
[14:50] <apachelogger> dust patrol incoming
[14:50] <apachelogger> ah
[14:51] <apachelogger> good folds
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> my GPU blows the CPU out of the water ^^
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> 4x as much from it
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Thanks to JontheEchidna I now know a new channel called #kubuntu-status.
[14:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: folds or temp? :P
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: temp's ok actually: http://i.imgur.com/eX6pLRB.png
[14:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gpus are nice
[14:52] <apachelogger> so
[14:52] <apachelogger> funny thing
[14:52] <apachelogger> I only recently noticed that my desktop has two gpus
[14:53] <yofel> apachelogger: for now make builder support saucy, we can make that multi-release later on
[14:53] <apachelogger> I can watch HD entertainment movies while folding
[14:53] <apachelogger> what'd you say to that
[14:53] <smartboyhw> I really like my i5 (1st gen) CPU.
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Builds things fast.
[14:53] <apachelogger> yofel: well, multi-release IMHO makes only sense when you run on different machines
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> I have an i5-3470 that I got this March. Love it.
[14:53] <apachelogger> otherwise the builder isntances will just slow each other down
[14:54] <apachelogger> through cache locking and general IO
[14:54] <yofel> apachelogger: run one after the other?
[14:54] <apachelogger> and in turn, if you run it on different machines you don't have problems with multiple builder instances anyway
[14:54] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, that's what I'd do on a single machine setup
[14:54] <yofel> ok, if that works then I'm happy
[14:56] <apachelogger> on that note we probably also want to block process cache updates
[14:56] <apachelogger> and only once per day
[14:56] <apachelogger> otherwise you get git rev abc in saucy and rev cba in raring
[14:57] <yofel> that's what we do no, fine
[14:57] <yofel> *now
[14:58] <apachelogger> yofel: it's not a big issue, it's just that IMO it's better if the same rev is shipped for all series
[14:58] <yofel> right
[14:59] <apachelogger> and it probably is not hard to do because the cache instances live in the non-chrooted parent anyway, so simply updating the cache on creation rather than on access would solve it
[14:59] <apachelogger> not a biggy though
[14:59] <apachelogger> anyway, new try
[15:01] <Quintasan> The question now is whether our gles binaries work shadeslayer
[15:02] <apachelogger> Need to get 2997 kB/5272 kB of archives. After unpacking 18.0 MB will be used.
[15:02] <apachelogger> Abort.
[15:02] <apachelogger> pbuilder doesn't like me :(
[15:02] <smartboyhw> It would be nice of anyone if he/she would like to dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/networkmanagement_0.9.0.9-0ubuntu1.dsc and review and upload...
[15:02] <smartboyhw> As for kde-workspace, could someone takeover the ec2?
[15:04]  * apachelogger points at Quintasan
[15:04] <Quintasan> what
[15:04] <Quintasan> I'm busy noiw
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Wait, don't upload
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Uh god, it's that .sbuildrc problem again in PPAs.
[15:04] <apachelogger> ...
[15:04]  * apachelogger gets too many bug mails :(
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Start in 59 seconds.
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Whoa!!!!!
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Today the build machines are happy it seems.
[15:05] <apachelogger> tick tock goes the clock
[15:05] <yofel> sbuildrc would explain why the build queues are empty ^^
[15:05] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Anyone having free time to upload?
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Or just takeover the ec2?
[15:06] <apachelogger> <- doing neon
[15:07] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, sure:)
[15:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: upload what?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, plasma nm 0.9.0.9
[15:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: could do, ~jr on lp if you want to give me access
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um pnm is on my ppa...
[15:08] <smartboyhw> dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/networkmanagement_0.9.0.9-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ok, mind and poweroff ec2 if you're done with it
[15:08]  * yofel off, bbl
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't have pnm on the ec2, it's for kde-workspace.
[15:09] <Riddell> aah
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Building slowly at 40%.
[15:10] <smartboyhw> Damn, what happened to amd64 ppa build machines today? .sbuildrc failed again for kuser...
[15:11] <apachelogger> yofel:  -> Considering build-dep pkg-project-neon-tools (>= 211~)
[15:11] <apachelogger> E: No packages found
[15:11] <apachelogger> :'(
[15:12] <apachelogger> oh
[15:12] <apachelogger> your version is weird
[15:12] <Riddell> hmm, broken launchpad? https://i142660610.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/142660610/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kuser_4%3A4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=615216f447c3eff05cf81a16616b77fb
[15:12] <yofel> apachelogger: pkg-project-neon5-tools
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[15:12]  * smartboyhw goes to report
[15:12] <apachelogger> and name
[15:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why this change?
[15:13] <Riddell> -       dh $@ --parallel --with kde --dbg-package=plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg
[15:13] <Riddell> +       dh $@ --parallel --with=kde --dbg-package=plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, doesn't it work with --with=kde only? Saw it in developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html "KDE packaging"
[15:13] <Riddell> man dh says with a space
[15:13] <apachelogger> dh8 should work with either
[15:14] <apachelogger> dh7 only worked with = IIRC
[15:14] <Quintasan> dh9 works only with space
[15:14] <Quintasan> :P
[15:14] <Riddell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/kde.html looks like an unreviewed old wiki page, the translations stuff is out of date
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Eh!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Sorry then....
[15:15] <smartboyhw> That's misleading:P
[15:17] <Riddell> hello ShiningThrough 
[15:23] <jessie> I'm having issues with my KScreen set up on 4.10.54
[15:23] <jessie> *4.10.4
[15:25] <ShiningThrough> Riddell: hey there
[15:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm
[15:29] <Riddell>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package kde-workspace-data 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu1
[15:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: does kde-workspace-4.10.80/solid/icons/ox22-app-networkmanager.png still exist in 4.10.80?
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, probably not.
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, networkmanager has moved in 4.10.80 from kde-workspace to networkmanagement.
[15:33] <jessie> This is the error I'm getting when trying to open up the "Display and Monitor" section of System Settings: http://pastebin.com/NEXJKNrm
[15:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't think it was ever part of kde-workspace ?
[15:33] <Riddell> modem manager moved
[15:35] <apachelogger> !find libsqlite1-dev saucy
[15:35] <apachelogger> !find libsqlite0-dev saucy
[15:35] <apachelogger> hm
[15:35] <apachelogger> E: Unable to locate package libsqlite0-dev
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, confirmed, it wasn't there.
[15:36] <smartboyhw> there = 4.10.80.
[15:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded!
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Someone take over kde-workspace ec2 10.196.107.47
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[15:41] <apachelogger> oh well
[15:43] <apachelogger> yofel: sqlite0-dev wasn't found, nto sure why, probably satisfy-deps is bogus or the wrong one or something
[15:44] <apachelogger> it's too hawt to look into it though so I am going for a swim :P
[15:44] <apachelogger> if you feel like it, everything is pushed
[15:44] <apachelogger> simply get the builder from launchpad and try to run it
[15:44] <apachelogger> o/
[15:57] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:58] <Quintasan> ARGH
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we have three ec2 instances running just now, some over a week old, I don't have access to any, I'm going to terminate them unless you complain quickly
[16:43] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey
[16:50] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1191870] plasma-desktop not working after upgrade to kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1191870 (by Jeroen)
[16:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Either the rootfs is fscsk up or the kernel does some magic which make it impossible to boot it
[17:01]  * Riddell gets kmymoney to compile!
[17:01] <Riddell> boy is that thing a twisted mess of linking libraries all alike
[17:01] <Riddell> and with names like gwenhywfar
[17:49] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[17:49] <ahoneybun> lordievader: fine yourself?
[17:50] <lordievader> Doing good too.
[17:52] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Is that you behind the G+ page?
[17:53] <ahoneybun> yes
[17:53] <Riddell> which g+ page?
[17:54] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I'll be back in a few
[17:56] <lordievader> Riddell: This one: https://plus.google.com/112490706514003921722/posts
[18:13] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I thought it could somehow boost the docs on a google search
[18:14] <lordievader> ahoneybun: It just might ;)
[18:15] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I tried to add a few lines in the home page of the docs to get them found better
[18:15] <ahoneybun> as well
[18:15]  * yofel fixes kde-dev-tools deps so kuser builds
[18:15] <yofel> er, pkg-kde-tools
[18:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: So, summing up Day 1: Got rootfs 2. Can't boot it 3.Mer images work for some reason
[18:18] <Quintasan> Maybe I have to rebuild the kernel
[18:19] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: nexus?
[18:20] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Archos G9
[18:20] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: booting kde active on it?
[18:20] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Trying to as you can see.
[18:21] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[18:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: that all makes sense
[18:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: I expect arm devices need a fairly specific kernel
[18:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: see if you can work out what kernel sources mer use for their image?
[18:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: I "stole" the Mer kernel
[18:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: I know where the sources are
[18:22] <Riddell> borrowed :)
[18:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: See, the device does not even boot or at least I can't see any output
[18:23] <Quintasan> as it's supposed to have fbcon so it at least should spew out init crapping out
[18:23] <Quintasan> But it doesn't
[18:23] <Quintasan> Well, I'll just grab the source probably
[18:24] <Quintasan> yofel: ping
[18:25] <yofel> Quintasan: hm?
[18:25] <Quintasan> yofel: I've seen you doing some kf5 magic, is that done?
[18:25] <Quintasan> more importantly
[18:25] <Quintasan> what has higher priority, 4.10.80 or kf5 in neon? :P
[18:25] <yofel> Quintasan: the buildsystem should work, now I need to look how well harald's work runs
[18:26] <yofel> Quintasan: uh, master (4.11) is still running as usualy
[18:26] <yofel> no issues there
[18:26] <yofel> -y
[18:26] <Quintasan> so 4.10.80 then
[18:26] <yofel> kf5 is somewhere before hatching, nothing more
[18:27] <yofel> Quintasan: this is how much you have of kf5 so far: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+packages
[18:27] <yofel> i.e. not much
[18:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: is there a way to get debugging?  a serial console from usb is a common way
[18:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: I need to get a proper cable for that. Last time I bought one it had VendorID and ProductID 0000 i.e. not working
[18:34] <ahoneybun> Riddell: is there a problem with that page?
[18:39] <Quintasan> yofel: I can't really get it right, when the hell do you change UNRELEASED to ${release} in our bzr?
[18:39] <yofel> Riddell: one thing I just fixed in ksystemlog and kcron:
[18:39] <yofel> - kdelibs5-dev (>= 4.10.80)
[18:39] <yofel> + kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.10.80)
[18:39] <yofel> Quintasan: for the ppa-builds? bzr-buildpackage-ppa does that
[18:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer pushed UNRELEASED in kiten to bzr and it's already in saucy
[18:40] <Quintasan> argh
[18:40] <Quintasan> I forgot we should upload it to ninjas first
[18:40] <yofel> ^^
[18:40] <Riddell> oh thanks yofel 
[18:41] <Quintasan> And now I realised why pbuilder-dist sucks for ninja packaging
[18:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the g+ one?  I just don't understand what it is
[18:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: Was trying to make a google search of kubuntu docs come up better 
[18:43] <Riddell> ah hah
[18:43] <Quintasan> yofel: Can has your pbuilderrc?
[18:43] <yofel> Quintasan: uh ok... give me a moment
[18:44] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/776396
[18:44] <yofel> before using it make sure you have pigz and eatmydata installed
[18:44] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks
[18:44] <Quintasan> pigz? what does that do?
[18:44] <yofel> threaded gzip
[18:44] <Quintasan> oh
[18:45] <yofel> usage would be like: 'sudo -E dist=s pro=ninja pbuilder build ...'
[18:46] <yofel> pro= can be anything though, I just didn't like writing 'pro=saucy-ninja-amd64' so that's different vars
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: re gles, doubt it
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: holy shit, 1 week old? :O
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: must have racked up quite a bill :/
[18:49] <Quintasan> GIVE ALL UR MONEYZ TO Riddell
[18:49] <Quintasan> NAO
[19:09] <Quintasan> What on...
[19:10] <yofel> ?
[19:11] <Quintasan> W: Failed to fetch https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-amd64/Packages  
[19:12] <Quintasan> Can't build anything
[19:13] <yofel> works here...
[19:13] <Quintasan> transport-https is installed
[19:13] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:14] <yofel> what's the actual error?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> you're not motivated enough :P
[19:14] <Quintasan> weird
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: make sure the entry in sources.list is correct?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:14] <shadeslayer> kdepim is still WIP :P
[19:14] <Quintasan> I can access it just fine via url
[19:14] <shadeslayer> I know
[19:14] <yofel> is  ca-certificates installed?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> I know
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ca-certificates
[19:14] <shadeslayer> make sure that's installed
[19:14] <shadeslayer> I had the exact same issueand it said the exact same thin
[19:15] <shadeslayer> *thing
[19:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: I only got home a while ago, working on it now
[19:15] <Quintasan> no
[19:15] <Quintasan> and that will probably solve it
[19:15] <shadeslayer> they were going to fix that
[19:15] <shadeslayer> but I guess they never got around to doing it
[19:16]  * Quintasan takes kiten to fix
[19:16] <shadeslayer> right, what's wrong with kiten?
[19:16] <Quintasan> fails at install files
[19:17] <Quintasan> WHY DIDN'T YOU SAVE MY CHANGES PBUILDER
[19:17] <shadeslayer> what about <Quintasan> shadeslayer pushed UNRELEASED in kiten to bzr and it's already in saucy
[19:17] <Quintasan> HURRRRRRRR
[19:17] <Quintasan> nothing
[19:17] <yofel> --save-after-login
[19:17] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[19:17] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm doing that :D
[19:17] <yofel> ^^
[19:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm dumb and I forgot we upload to ninjas first
[19:17] <shadeslayer> happens to one and all
[19:17] <yofel> rmember to use bzr-buildpackage-ppa if you work from bzr
[19:18] <shadeslayer> I never figured that out :(
[19:18] <Quintasan> wat
[19:18] <yofel> I need to write a proper workflow guide one of these days...
[19:18] <shadeslayer> so I just add the src entry to my host and use apt-get source :P
[19:18]  * Quintasan tries that
[19:18] <Quintasan> yofel: Yeah, really
[19:18] <Quintasan> We have tons of tools and I don't even know half of them despite doing this god knows how many times
[19:18] <shadeslayer> or alternatively, dpkg-source -x :)
[19:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you have the deb-src line, then bzr builddeb will use apt-get source if it doesn't find the tarball ;)
[19:18] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:19] <Quintasan> So yofel I go to bzr directory and invoke the magic bzr-buildpackage-ppa?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what did Sune sign me up for
[19:19] <shadeslayer> I need them logs
[19:19] <Quintasan> wat?
[19:19] <yofel> Quintasan, shadeslayer: bzr-buildpackage-ppa is really a wrapper around bzr buliddeb used by kubuntu-initial-upload usually
[19:19] <yofel> it's what generates a properly versioned package from an UNRELEASED changelog
[19:19] <yofel> and with -s X, you get ~ppaX
[19:20] <Quintasan> aha
[19:20] <yofel> like...
[19:20] <yofel> kdepimlibs (4:4.10.80-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[19:20] <yofel> bzr-buildpackage-ppa -s 4
[19:20] <yofel> -> kdepimlibs_4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa4.dsc
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:21] <Quintasan> tis be magic
[19:21] <yofel> it even uses -sd if you use -s
[19:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: logs from what channel?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: debian-qt-kde
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: so maybe I'm using it wrong
[19:22] <shadeslayer>  bzr-buildpackage-ppa -d saucy -s 3 -y 13.10 kiten                                                                                                                        shadeslayer@solembum
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Error: Not a Debian package.
 there are several possibilities. 1) we wait for doko to respond. lol. 2) we track someone down with sufficient knowledge to help us. 3) we study hard and become 2)
 4) we wait for ubuntu to break as well, so we're at 1)
[19:22] <Quintasan> --> shadeslayer (~shadeslay@corkblock.jefferai.org) has joined #debian-qt-kde
 we could also get shadeslayer to do 2)
[19:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: cd kiten ?
[19:22] <Quintasan> gtfo from kiten shadeslayer
[19:22] <Quintasan> I'm doing that
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: so I already need to have the source downloaded?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> I thought it was going to do that itself :P
[19:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, you need the branch
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: just an example
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: pull the damn bzr packaging :P
[19:23] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[19:23] <Quintasan> shit it works!
[19:23] <yofel> i.e. kbzr co kiten; cd kiten; bzr-buildpackage-ppa
[19:23] <Quintasan> props to yofel for dem tools
[19:24] <yofel> Quintasan: thanks for that go to debfx, I just found it :P
[19:24] <Quintasan> I see
[19:24] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for debfx
[19:24]  * kubotu gives debfx a nice frosty mug of beer.
[19:25] <jefferai> Quintasan: Thou hast summoned e
[19:25] <jefferai> *me
[19:25] <Quintasan> Like how?
[19:25] <jefferai> Three minutes ago :-)
[19:25] <yofel> ofc. if the ppa doesn't have the tarball you'll have to download it first from ftpmaster.
[19:25] <yofel> bzr builddeb checks apt, get-orig-source target and watch file. But none of those point at unstable kde ftp
[19:26] <Quintasan> jefferai: oh
[19:26] <Quintasan> I pasted logs for shadeslayer since he is like, dunno
[19:27] <Quintasan> >usr/lib/libkiten.so.4.10.4.abi1
[19:27] <Quintasan> WHO THE HELL DOES THAT?
[19:27] <Quintasan> sorry for caps
[19:27] <yofel> Quintasan: please be telling pad that you work on kiten...
[19:27] <yofel> Quintasan: what? looks sane (for debian and kde...)
[19:28] <Quintasan> dem wildcards?
[19:28] <yofel> feel free to use one, the debian folks don't like them
[19:28] <Quintasan> I'll do it the Debian way then
[19:29] <Quintasan> Gotta get use to them
[19:34] <shadeslayer> intertesting
[19:34] <dantti_laptop> can I run that kubuntu armhf on a PI board? I need Qt5 packages on that thing... :P
[19:36] <shadeslayer> PI Board?
[19:36] <yofel> dantti_laptop: raspi? no
[19:36] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:36] <shadeslayer> IIRC weren't there binaries for the Pi available?
[19:36] <dantti_laptop> yes raspi
[19:36] <yofel> but there were qt5 packages for #raspbian no?
[19:36] <shadeslayer> like, binaries from Nokia
[19:36] <shadeslayer> or maybe Digia
[19:37] <dantti_laptop> hmm I have found a qt5 repo for rapbian but they didn't work
[19:37] <yofel> what does kuser need nepomuk for o.O
[19:37] <dantti_laptop> trying to run went to an egl error
[19:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: don't you know, everything needs nepomuk now :P
[19:37] <shadeslayer> nepomuk ALL the things
[19:37] <yofel> oh, it's just kdepimlibs complaining in general
[19:37] <dantti_laptop> tag your best system users :P
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe close this now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1176225
[19:39] <shadeslayer> smarter_: want to update nootka ? :D
[19:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: thanks, done
[19:39] <dantti_laptop> yofel: btw why it won't work with raspi? is the arm there somehow different?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: yep
[19:40] <yofel> 1
[19:40] <yofel> ^
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ARM v6 ISA vs ARM v7 ISA IIRC
[19:41] <dantti_laptop> I definetly doesn't get much how arm works, I see lots of companies do arm chips so I  always wonder what is arm  :P
[19:41] <dantti_laptop> isn't arm11 new enough?
[19:41] <yofel> arm is a mess of a bazillion different chip designes that don't play well together
[19:41] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:41] <dantti_laptop> that's what I thought :P
[19:41] <shadeslayer> and when they do, it's marketed as the smartest device ever built
[19:42] <dantti_laptop> so I guess people just like arm for the price right?
[19:42] <Riddell> and low energy use
[19:42] <yofel> you mean like that arm.little thing? or how that mix was called
[19:42] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: though if you want to run ubuntu on a cheap device, there's the ODROID U2
[19:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: do we have a kernel guarantee for the odroid thing? if yes I might order myself one after all
[19:43] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: well I'm going to run a full app on that thing so maybe I won't even have a desktop..
[19:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: last I checked they did have a kernel
[19:44] <dantti_laptop> *full screen app
[19:44] <shadeslayer> http://dn.odroid.com/
[19:44] <yofel> hm, I'll look at it, thanks
[19:44] <shadeslayer> probably in there somewhere
[19:44] <dantti_laptop> I installed kde on that thing :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> I would very much like to buy one for myself as well :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: why not :D
[19:45] <dantti_laptop> after removing lots of stuff was almost useful :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: oh? you've already played with a U2?
[19:45] <dantti_laptop> it ate +100mb of ram compared to xfce which is a lot on that thing :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[19:45] <shadeslayer> it has 2 GB's of RAM
[19:46] <dantti_laptop> I have a raspi with 512mb
[19:46] <shadeslayer> oh you're talking about the RasPi
[19:46] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:46] <dantti_laptop> just brought one for a project I'm working now
[19:46] <yofel> kde is kinda usable on a raspi, but you do appreciate lxde for actual using it
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:46] <shadeslayer> my main issue was IO
[19:46] <shadeslayer> had a class 4 SD card only
[19:47] <dantti_laptop> I brought a class 10, but cpu usage is always 100% when I try to do stuff, like browsing..
[19:47] <dantti_laptop> but for what I need I think it will work a Qt5 Jukebox app (for real jukebox machines)
[19:48] <dantti_laptop> the app is almost done and might boostrap my company :P
[19:48] <dantti_laptop> *bootstrap
[19:48] <shadeslayer> neat :D
[19:48] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: you might want to search for bakepi.sh
[19:49] <shadeslayer> which is what the script to build Qt5 on the RasPi was called IIRC
[19:49] <yofel> build
[19:49] <yofel> raspi
[19:49] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:49] <yofel> you serious?
[19:49] <Quintasan> >WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[19:49] <Quintasan> WHAT
[19:49] <dantti_laptop> that might take 30 days :P
[19:49] <Quintasan> now
[19:49] <Quintasan> christ
[19:50] <yofel> Quintasan: why do you care?
[19:50] <Riddell> waa amarok crashes on startup
[19:50] <Quintasan> yofel: ppa builder
[19:50] <yofel> Quintasan: it should be ignored?
[19:50] <Quintasan> yofel: https://i142679573.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/142679573/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kiten_4%3A4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=ee6f707a819bf5dfe3c8705b13112fa2
[19:50] <Quintasan> wat
[19:50] <shadeslayer> aha
[19:50] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: https://gitorious.org/+qtonpi
[19:50] <Quintasan> .sbuildrc
[19:51] <Quintasan> christ, what's going on with this ppa?
[19:51] <yofel> brrrrrr
[19:51] <yofel> retry
[19:51] <Quintasan> k
[19:51] <yofel> Quintasan: that has been popping up randomly the last few days
[19:52] <yofel> maybe spam #launchpad with the name of the builder this happened on
[19:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://github.com/hardkernel/linux
[19:52] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: thanks will take a look
[19:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: you know, not having to build my own kernel was one of the reasons why I stopped using gentoo ;P
[19:53] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: forums say that they have everything bundled up into a nice package
[19:54] <shadeslayer> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12
[19:54] <yofel> oh nice
[19:55] <shadeslayer> x11 drivers as well, though come with a EULA
[19:55] <shadeslayer> anyway, sleeping, it's quite late :)
[19:55] <shadeslayer> night
[19:56] <yofel> gn
[19:59] <Quintasan> HURR SBUILD
[20:12] <yofel> huh, strigi vanished from kdepim
[20:12] <yofel> good thing I guess
[20:16] <Quintasan> ffs
[20:16] <Quintasan> yofel: It still fails with the sbuild crap
[20:17] <yofel> did you just retry it? :(
[20:18] <yofel> oh, the mails have the builder name
[20:18] <yofel> so it seems hamsa is broken
[20:19]  * Quintasan goes to #launchpad
[20:21] <Quintasan> yofel: Proposed solution: HAMMER THIS BUILDER UNTIL THEY FIX IT!
[20:22] <yofel> nah, I see lots of mails from neon too today... reading it now
[20:22] <yofel> found something bad though looking at them :(
[20:22] <yofel> [Neon] [Bug 1191927] [NEW] Plasma-desktop crashes at startup
[20:23] <yofel> Unrecognized character \x95 at /home/buildd/.sbuildrc line 1.
[20:23] <yofel> Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/sbuild line 488.
[20:23] <yofel> hamsa........
[20:23] <Quintasan> ehueheuheueheuheuehueheuehue
[20:23] <yofel> no wonder the build queues are empty :D
[20:23]  * Quintasan gives up for time being
[20:25] <yofel> Quintasan: brrrrr http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/neon_f.png
[20:26] <Quintasan> yofel: hamsa?
[20:26] <Quintasan> xD
[20:26] <yofel> some of it
[20:26] <yofel> some is s-d-o being too old o.O
[20:26] <yofel> which shouldn't happen
[20:27] <yofel> will look at it later
[20:27] <yofel> Quintasan: essentially, every amd64-only failed on there is hamsa ^^
[20:27] <yofel> *failure
[20:37] <yofel> vHanda: where's the current shared-desktop-ontologies repository at?
[20:37] <yofel> all I can find is the one on SF.net which has 0.10.51 which isn't enough for neon
[20:39] <yofel> (neon uses git://oscaf.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/oscaf/shared-desktop-ontologies)
[20:42] <yofel> Quintasan: Currently building on wani05, yay
[20:44] <yofel> heh, hamsa even killed kmix
[21:14]  * yofel wonders what to do with usr/lib/kde4/kcm_pimactivity.so
[21:32] <yofel> I need to re-setup icecc one of these days :S
[22:43]  * yofel still isn't sure where to put kcm_pimactivity http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/kcm_pimactivity.png
[23:12] <Jonah_> hey, is there a ppa for kde for ubuntu 13.10?
[23:14] <Jonah_> or, is it required to simply download the 13.10 kubuntu iso?
[23:46] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1173509] qtdemo application missing in qt4-demos @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173509 (by Peter Würtz)