[04:20] Good morning [04:33] good evening pitti === wxl_ is now known as wxl [05:57] smartboyhw, The branch was a re-base, plus a tiny fix. [05:58] Noskcaj10: you going to be doing any of the manual testcases that xubuntu needs to be done? [05:59] elfy, i've got some uploaded, waiting to merge, plus a fix for the pdf reader === Noskcaj10 is now known as Noskcaj [06:00] cool :) [06:00] let me know if there are any specific ones that need working on [06:01] any that aren't in progress ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=xubuntu&orderby=status&start=0 [06:02] you could do media stuff [06:05] ok, i'll have a look [06:05] cheers [06:06] you can also help by keeping on at me about the gnumeric one :) [06:08] i think my problem is i try to cover absolutely everything. e.g. i made a 2 page test for gnome mines [06:08] gnumeric is going to be a doozy [06:08] probably overkill for gnome mines ;) [06:09] and games are probably of minor importance as far as we're concerned [06:11] yep [06:14] balloons, you're missing saucy candence week 2 on the wiki [06:20] phillw, You're waking up now rather than going to sleep, it's a miracle [06:23] smartboyhw, there's an issue with us contributing to testdrive. we need to sign something [06:25] elfy, i think gimp is fixed. i'll mark it as that [06:25] well - check first :) [06:26] done, it was finidhed. t least in a basic sense [06:26] *finished [06:34] elfy, although it's slightly pointless, i'll work on xfce4 notes, it shouldn't take more than an hour [06:36] ok [07:04] good morning [07:08] elfy, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu-manual-tests/notes/+merge/169728 [07:10] Noskcaj: I'll have a look a bit later - it's that time of the morning again [07:15] Noskcaj: it'll be done by the time you wake up [07:15] :) [07:16] Noskcaj: you can look at exo helper https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/exo_helper/+merge/169729 [07:16] now I really should get on with the day [07:57] Hi guys , i encountered a problem/ [07:58] Skini151, what is it? [07:59] When i install iso image with KVM it's working fine, but when i'm using Virtual box i have some errors after installing Ubuntu on vm i see only black screen [07:59] can you upload a screenshot [07:59] ok [07:59] just a sec [08:04] this is kind'a weird VM worked like it should [08:04] o_0 [08:04] yesterday i see only blackscreen [08:04] Noskcaj, I signed that already... [08:04] I forgotten what.... [08:05] Canonical Contributor Agreement ah [08:05] I signed [08:05] smartboyhw, oh, you had? [08:05] Don't tell me that each seperate project needs another agreement.. [08:05] Noskcaj, I did [08:05] * smartboyhw has forgotten for WT reason [08:07] i guess i'll have to sign it then. [08:07] Noskcaj, is there a need to install guest additions in Virtual box [08:07] Skini151, not for basic testing [08:08] but it's good to install? [08:08] and for what tests? [08:08] Noskcaj, what's the prob? They don't allow us to join project because we haven't signed it or? [08:09] smartboyhw, skellat had said there might be issues, i was going to ask Daviey [08:09] Skini151, i think it's for plugging USB into the PC and having them appear in the VM [08:10] Noskcaj, ooh:) [08:10] :( [08:10] Noskcaj, ok ,thanks for help [08:10] Skini151, no problem. [08:12] Noskcaj, this is a lesson in life. if you don't know what you are signing and/or why you are signing, don't sign. [08:13] I think I signed it for some project I did work on... [08:13] knome, makes sense. [08:13] if you are unsure, ask people [08:13] the bit i don't understand is what does "Please add the Canonical Project Manager or contact" mean? [08:15] Noskcaj, in this case: Dave Walker. [08:17] ok, thanks [08:36] Ah yeah, forgot of the People behind Canonical Quality thing...\ [09:57] gema, http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/?p=65 [09:57] balloons, ^] [10:57] smartboyhw: awesome, thanks [10:57] gema, :) [10:57] smartboyhw: the pics seem broken to me, though :P [10:57] gema, :O [10:57] * gema cannot stop testing when reading blogs either :D [10:57] I can load it (even in Planet Ubuntu) [10:57] uhmmm, let me see [10:58] smartboyhw: of course you can, they are links to your email :) [10:58] smartboyhw: https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?saduie=AG9B_P-AMR7OaJFl_u0PKbLKSeuw&attid=0.1&disp=emb&view=att&th=13eaca9dc18d7397 [10:58] gema, yeah, shouldn't have done that:P [10:58] smartboyhw: you need to download them from your email and upload them to the server :) [10:58] then link them [10:59] smartboyhw: in any case, thanks for that article :) [11:00] gema, :) === mmrazik_ is now known as mmrazik === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [13:18] gema, did i hear you say you had some results with my tweaked kernel [13:18] gema, did you see my final analysis of how to get comparible results [13:19] apw: I read an email, is that the analysis you are referring to? [13:19] apw: yes I have results and your changes are good, imho [13:19] gema, the email indeed, wh [13:19] gema, the email indeed, which talked about how i thought we could cope with the battery recalibrations exposed by the driver [13:20] apw: yes, I read it, I need to go back to it to answer to you [13:20] apw: my results are showing quite linear and nice discharge rates tbh [13:20] gema, just reading the current values from charge_now ? [13:20] apw: yes [13:21] apw: the voltage is a bit trickier, though, so I am expecting some error in the calculations [13:21] gema, well then you must have a very different device, as mine changes base several times [13:21] apw: I have a nexus 4, quite new [13:21] gema, as do i, same batch i am sure [13:22] I will upload the graphs, trying to figure out which ones are useful [13:22] hold on [13:22] apw: will ping you in 10 mins [13:22] I am going to put them on the wiki [13:22] then we can talk about it [13:22] gema, ok, what are we using the voltage for, i thought we were interested in charge [13:23] apw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/BatteryConsumption [13:23] apw: point 4 on "how to do it" [13:24] apw: to calculate the energy consumed [13:27] gema, i [13:27] gema, i see [13:29] apw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/BatteryConsumption/Nexus4 [13:29] those are the graphs [13:31] apw: so for these measurements to be sort of valuable, I think we need to discharge some serious battery, 60 secs measurements like cking is doing with the fluke is not going to do it for software metrics [13:35] gema, those graphs seem to imply idle ran for ~2.5 hours before the battery drained [13:35] gema, those show 'under load' tests I assume (given the battery drains in 2.77 hours) ... what about under idle [13:35] yep, under a lot of load [13:35] I did some slower runs during the weekend [13:35] let me find those other graphs :D [13:36] given our primary use case must be idle all the time, else the phone will last 2.7 hours :) i'd like to see stability off load [13:36] I wasn't trying to measure idle, I was trying to figure out how linear the voltage/charge_now measurements are [13:36] my testing was done against idle, and i found charge_now rebased often here [13:36] gema, right but that is only its characteristics when pulling lots of current [13:37] apw: as discussed with cking before, I don't think we should use software metrics for idle case [13:37] when the battey becomes warm etc [13:37] apw: it makes more sense to measure from outside the device for idle [13:37] gema, all of our real world work loads on a phone is an idle case, esle the phone is not going to work [13:37] as is demonstrated by the fact it only has a 2.7 hour battery running full blast [13:38] apw: I made use of three processors to dd from urandom to dev/null on that test [13:38] apw: I got tired of waiting for the battery to drain over the weekend with lower load [13:38] gema, right but as all valid use cases we want to measure, are going to be idle oriented, cause they are UI interaction on a phone, we need something which works in the face of much idleness [13:38] else we are simply wasting our time [13:39] apw: ack, let me upload the other graphs as well [13:42] apw, cking for the second case (longer test case) I was running http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gema/+junk/battery-scripts/view/head:/drain.sh === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik [13:46] gema, and what is the thickness of the bar there on the voltage/time graph, looks to my 'thumb' to be 5-10% range there which is going to make getting an energy reading hard, right? [13:47] apw: yes, it is going to make it a back of the envelope calculation [13:47] apw: the sampling interval was 500 ms [13:47] gema, and what is the variablity of the charge ? [13:48] apw: you mean charge_full? [13:48] i am interested in the variablity of both of the charge_now and charge_full values indeed [13:48] apw: which graph do you want me to plot, R is hating me at the moment, I am trying to get a boxplot of charge_full [13:48] ok, gimme some time to find my R manual and I will get you those [14:33] apw: I have added the data for charge_full, not sure how to give you the charge_now one for it to be useful [14:34] apw: I am going to fiddle with the data a bit more [14:34] apw: I am going to upload the data as well [14:35] so that you have it if you want to [14:35] use it [14:39] soudsn good [14:39] gema, but i see your charge_full is as variable as mine, changing by quite some margin [14:40] apw: yes [14:40] gema, and as i say in my email if you normalise the current_now against the original current_full you get a better result [14:42] apw: you mean charge_now against charge_full? [14:42] (data uploaded) [14:42] yes i mean charge_ in both [14:42] apw: ack [14:44] apw: are your changes in the n4 images already? [14:44] gema, nope, i am waiting on feedback from you on whether they produce anything we could not get with the original [14:44] apw: I think they do [14:44] apw: we can work out the normalisations later in the dashboard [14:45] but for now, for the back of the envelope calculations that pat is asking for this is good [14:45] apw: together with the results cking is producing [14:45] (which are more accurate) [14:45] apw: do you want me to answer to the email? [14:54] gema, nope [14:54] apw: ok [15:07] smartboyhw, just fyi pics are broken for me too [15:07] balloons, yeah, will fix tmr. [15:22] smartboyhw, once it's fixed I'll link out to it [15:33] balloons, sure. === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [15:39] balloons, go to smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw and see if you can view it. [15:39] pictures! [15:39] wonderful [15:40] balloons, yay [15:40] bye bye, sleep [16:05] balloons: is there some way that a testcase can be assigned a package version? so that if a package changes it creates some sort of ping against a testcase? [16:07] elfy, hmmm [16:07] I spend hours thinking so things I can ask you :p [16:12] elfy, off the top of my head no [16:13] there is probably a way to make it work, but nothing I can think of at the moment [16:13] and my brain cells are all taken atm [16:13] haha [16:14] :) [16:15] it was just a thought that came to me earlier - could be useful if there is - at least in future when everyone has forgotten all about testcases [16:39] ping knome === francisco is now known as Guest20683 [18:35] HI, are your Ubuntu saucy images slow like mine (on VM)? [18:43] Skini151, likely you don't have an accelerated display server for the vm [18:48] balloons, hallo [18:49] knome, howdy! So I wanted to chat quickly about your QATracker mockups [18:49] sure [18:49] I have on my list from UDS to talk to everyone about the tracker and I'd like to share your mockups as part of that [18:49] I want to see what people think of using it, what would be helpful, etc.. one of the comments was on help links [18:50] sure, go ahead [18:51] if you need more/better shots i can do them later today [18:51] can you send me the links again? [18:51] :-) [18:51] hmph. [18:52] let me see where i have the files again [18:52] knome, lol, i can dig up the link again if you don't have it handy [18:52] it's all in the scrollback logs :--) [18:52] http://temp.knome.fi/qa/poc-sidebar-submit-2.png [18:52] njin, Letozaf_, evening to you both [18:52] there you go [18:53] i have a static html file with the modified css on my desktop machine if you want a better/bigger screenshot of that [18:53] ohh can you do a mockup on having the footer text stripped out.. did we have a mockup for the testcase side? [18:53] footer text? [18:54] sorry confusing you [18:54] balloons, hello [18:54] the old, if any action fails.. it's in this sidebar now [18:54] I just meant, didn't we have a view of the whole page? [18:54] balloons, we didn't, but i can export that for you later today [18:55] knome, perfect. I'll wait on that and then shar eit [18:55] your awesome! [18:55] hehe, np :) [18:58] balloons, will you be around today and for how long? [18:59] knome, yes, and for about 4 more hours [18:59] oki [18:59] then i'll catch you today and we can look at the thing together, good good [19:10] Letozaf_, :-) Whew, so much fun stuff [19:10] it just keeps coming [19:11] we just keep going and going [19:12] balloons, what fun stuff ? I am still playing with the apps [19:16] core-apps is the place to be [19:16] how's the testcase coming along? [19:16] are you all "settled in" now on the qml stuff? [19:17] balloons, mmm weired things happen ... I am looking at it again now [19:18] balloons, the fist test it does not run completely but only the first part [19:19] balloons, and the second one gives an error when trying to click on the "New Event" button [19:20] Letozaf_, well I am happy to help have a look with you ;-) [19:20] is it pushed to lp? [19:20] balloons, let me push it now [19:25] balloons, done https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-calendar-app/calendar-for-nicholas [19:25] k, hehe, grabbing it [19:25] balloons, thanks [19:26] k, so the two tests still I see [19:27] * balloons runs [19:27] balloons, the first one does only one button click not both [19:27] ok.. let's look at the tests now [19:28] Letozaf_, didn't you see my fixed branch for this? [19:28] balloons, and what i should do about it? [19:28] I did share that right? [19:28] * balloons wonders if I was crazy [19:29] Skini151, install the vbox driver aka "guest additions" [19:29] install but xwindow manager is not recognized [19:29] balloons, in the calendar.qml file in the toolbaractions part there seems to be missing objectNames [19:29] Letozaf_, indeed: lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/sdk-emulator-hack [19:29] balloons, but not sure that is the cause as I added them but the errors are still there [19:30] balloons, yes I think I got that branch let me check ... [19:31] Letozaf_, it should have fixed all the silly issues [19:31] Letozaf_, lol I tried, it didn't work, heh [19:32] hmm.. it did when I sent it. I wonder [19:32] balloons, maybe some update [19:32] ohh no, look at that [19:32] the test isn't how I left it [19:32] I didn't give you the right thing I guess [19:33] balloons, oh good at least there is a reason :) [19:33] ahh.. I found my changed branch [19:33] let me share that one [19:33] lololol [19:34] balloons, thanks [19:34] * balloons confirms it runs [19:34] indeed :-) [19:35] elfy ? [19:35] * SergioMeneses says hi to everybody [19:36] SergioMeneses, hello :-) [19:36] balloons, hey! how's everything? [19:38] need a branch name [19:38] hmm [19:39] carla, check out: lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/carla-fix [19:39] I'm so sorry I didn't send that to you friday. .I worked it out for you :-( [19:39] basically your code just worked [19:40] the only thing you needed was to wait to grab all your fields until after you clicked the 'new event' button and the page loaded [19:40] balloons, doesn't matter I-m going to get in now :-) thanks anyway [19:40] jajaja [19:40] SergioMeneses, good.. busy and good [19:40] Every cycle I'm so happy at what we can accomplish [19:41] and we keep doing more each time [19:41] balloons, I'm so busy as well :S but I'm going to participate in this cadence week :D Im updating the isos right now :D [19:42] SergioMeneses, sweet! Yea, I like the weeklong cadence. it lets people work around schedules and still stay invovled [19:43] Letozaf_, pretty cool eh? [19:43] balloons, our community is growing to fast :D [19:43] balloons, yeah! great! thanks !!!! [19:43] see how I made that one small change? [19:43] everything else is straight your code, lol [19:43] balloons, yes [19:44] balloons, the lambda [19:44] balloons, line [19:44] the create_event_page check? [19:44] yea, that function didn't work, I didn't see why [19:45] SergioMeneses, hehe.. never too fast right? I still know everyone's name, which is an accomplishment for me [19:45] so we're still small enough for that [19:45] balloons, you're right in that point [19:51] Letozaf_, so I would say you could propose that as-is.. or add more tests to it [19:51] you could ask the developers themselves if you could add an assert to check the new event popup loads [19:52] I'm trying to look, but it's not critical.. if it doesn't pop, you can't get the fields, so it's redudant [19:52] balloons, here is my screen of ubuntu 13.10 vbox addition errors ( http://screencloud.net/v/lhu9 ) [19:52] ok... I'll be away [19:52] Skini151, loooks ok thus far.. [19:52] look at terminal [19:53] sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [19:53] you might need those :-) [19:53] balloons, yes I was looking to see if there is soemthing else to add, if you could not get that check work I don't think I will be able too :p [19:53] ok [19:53] thanks i'll try [19:53] Letozaf_, yea, as I said it's an assert that isn't needed anyway. So I would just drop it and go as-is [19:53] Noskcaj, howdy [19:54] Skini151, the linux headers are used to compile kernel modules [19:54] morning balloons [19:54] including things like these custom drivers [19:55] balloons,why this is not installed by default [19:56] Skini151, well most people don't need to do such a thing.. that said, I was surprised it wasn't installed [19:56] balloons, http://temp.knome.fi/qa/iso-tracker-mockup.png [19:57] balloons, though i think even the download information could be somewhere else [19:57] balloons, ...and we should drop the "currently on" -text [19:57] balloons, and if the testcase is visible by default, we can also drop the "detailed information" link [19:59] balloons, i wonder if the bug list would be more useful if it was presented as a real list (same way previous tests are listed), but i can see that becoming quite a long list for some testcases [20:00] knome, hmm [20:00] balloons, that mockup also doesn't really move the "if all actions" -text [20:01] balloons, what i actually would like to see is a "detach" button for the submit result/bug areas [20:01] balloons, that would simply open a new window with the same stuff with js [20:01] Letozaf_, so let me know what you want to tackle next.. you can get the latest emulator from here always: lp:~nskaggs/+junk/ubuntusdk_autopilot_emulator [20:02] (and could simply degrade gracefully, tbe you would still have the form and the bug list, but only as it is shown now) [20:02] knome ok so you re-arranged the layout to have the results on top, followed by bugs. and your wondering about how to display them a bit more sanely [20:03] i agree it could be nicer to have a list [20:03] balloons, did you "follow" my suggestion about the detach/popup? [20:03] most people have browsers that would support that, and it would be extremely useful [20:03] so in the mockup take out that last paragraph about 'submit' a pass result, submit a failed result [20:03] ok [20:04] also we should modify that submit result side to mention bugs a bit more [20:04] balloons, ok let me propose the calendar-app and have a look at what could be next :) [20:04] oh, you're right [20:04] and move those links like you said.. the download and detail info link [20:04] also there is a bug link that can appear there [20:04] Letozaf_, awesome :-) I want to keep moving forward on getting all these into jenkins, like the desktop autopilot apps :-) [20:04] balloons, headers a newest version but there was 2 packages to upgrade, and after all of this is not working i can't install xwindow driver [20:05] knome, let me digest your detach comment for a moment [20:05] balloons, sure it's nice to see all the tests up and working, so I will do as many as I can :) [20:06] balloons, just for clarification, it would be an extra feature, not to replace anything [20:06] Letozaf_, <3 [20:06] do let me know if you hit anymore snags, but I think each one will get easier as with anything [20:07] knome, ahh ok, makes sense on the detach [20:07] balloons, the detached popup could show a "real" list of the bugs, even if the normal view was what we have noe [20:07] *now [20:07] so on the bug list, look at this page: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects [20:07] I don't think it would be horrid to have that displayed there instead of icons [20:08] could we do something slick to expand it if needed? [20:08] that's good-looking, but if you have 30 bugs for the testcase... it can be a bit of a drag. [20:08] knome, yes.. so is there a way to have say up to 5 show, then let me expand the list? [20:08] sure, that's possible with js [20:08] even just linking out I guess could work.. I don't think the little icons are useful at all on the page [20:09] (those without js would simply see all of them at once) [20:09] no, not really [20:09] knome, right, fair enough [20:09] the titles are important [20:09] also possibly statuses [20:09] the icons are intended for the summary pages so you can "see" at a glance the results [20:09] i think the icons could be better too [20:09] but i agree [20:10] knome, heh.. we haven't unleashed you yet on the actual artwork and UI.. just the building blocks for the most part [20:10] ok, so the last thing to cover then is the links [20:10] ohh and in the "next" version let's include a mockup with some results.. pass, fail, even a bug :-) [20:11] so we've shown everything [20:11] so the download and bug link -- where should we put those? [20:11] could we have a little box on the left like the submit result? [20:11] or perhaps on the main page [20:12] say the download link at the top of the testcase along with the detailed info link (which we should rename) [20:12] finally the file bug link should go in the 'bugs' section [20:12] knome, what do you think of all that ^^? [20:12] let me read and digest - i had to go and see tahiti scoring a goal against nigeria in a football match [20:12] what "bug link" are you referring to? [20:13] knome, look here: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/295/builds/46582/testcases/1515/results [20:14] ah, right [20:14] ohh.. and could we visually put that results table into a "results" box like the other boxes we have [20:14] to be consistent [20:15] sure [20:15] let me work on that [20:15] ok, let's see what all those changes look like.. [20:15] I'm excited :-) [20:16] balloons, ok so I proposed to merge, now let me pick something new [20:17] balloons, by the way how do I know if they already have been done ? [20:17] balloons, don't hold your breath... this might take a while ;) [20:18] balloons, is this updated: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing [20:21] balloons, you need to create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy/Week2 if you're going to link to it [20:21] Noskcaj, indeed :) I usually make them right before the week begins to incorporate any changes [20:22] balloons, ok. i was asking since you've put fillet text in ll the others [20:22] Letozaf_, use the bugs and mark yourself assigned to them [20:22] balloons, ok fine [20:22] same way you would with anything else.. you can use the link from that wiki to see all the bugs [20:23] Noskcaj, ahh you mean on the main page all those links are broken [20:23] yea, I get that, heh [20:23] so Letozaf_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+bugs?field.tag=needs-autopilot-test is the full ist [20:24] or see this page and select an app; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing; like for instance calendar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bugs?field.tag=needs-autopilot-test [20:24] so you should mark yourself on those calendar needed tests and we'll get them complete :-) [20:24] Letozaf_, ^^ [20:26] balloons, cool :p [20:27] balloons, well look like also the calendar app has still quite a lot bugs open [20:29] Letozaf_, indeed you could keep going there === _salem` is now known as _salem [20:38] balloons, I was looking at the calendar app, I see that editing an event is not implemented yet [20:39] balloons, so maybe I should just pick another app instead of continuing with this one, what do you think ? [20:39] Letozaf_, you may find some like that as they are still in development [20:39] so some of the "bugs" for tests might not be possible yet [20:40] Letozaf_, sure we need a basic testcase for every app [20:40] that's the best way to start as you know :-) [20:40] balloons ok fine [20:42] balloons, http://temp.knome.fi/qa/iso-tracker-mockup-2.png [20:42] balloons, something like that? [20:42] balloons, (for the sidebar part) [20:44]