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knightwisemornin !06:36
knightwisehey TheOpenSourcerer !06:40
TheOpenSourcerermorning06:40
knightwisehow are you today06:42
TheOpenSourcererFine thanks. In the office already. Coffee #2 underway06:45
knightwiseI should probablu look into that too06:57
popeymorning07:01
knightwisepopey: are you familiar with reports that 13.04 is considered "slower to beoot" then 12.04 ?07:03
popeyknightwise: nope07:14
knightwisehmm .. must be me then. i'll give it another try tonight (running ubuntu on the macbook air)07:20
czajkowskialoha07:24
Garyhey everybody!07:25
GaryMy name is troy McClure, you may know me from other documentries such as "how to tame your trouser snake" and "what to do in the case the zombies take over"07:26
popeyknightwise: is this a machine which has had 12.04 and 13.04 on it ?07:27
popeyi.e. comparing apples with apples (lol)07:27
knightwisecorrect07:30
kvarley-work13.04 64 bit - Dell Inspiron 14z - On some boots the audio stops working and just lists "Dummy Output". I think it may be related to me using HDMI. Any ideas on how to fix this?08:01
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popeykvarley-work: i have seen that sometimes08:10
popeycan you restart pulseaudio, does it then work? "pulseaudio -k"08:11
kvarley-workpopey: Doesn't appear to fix it. I've seen some threads suggesting it's a kernel issue08:11
popeyhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/294016/no-sound-in-ubuntu-13-04-only-dummy-output-device-listed08:12
DJoneskvarley-work: popey: I've had the same issue on my laptop using internal sound on a HP laptop, a reboot seems to fix it08:17
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! :-D08:36
* DJones eats bacon as its a fruit of the pig08:37
diploMorning all08:42
diploOooh I had that issue kvarley-work / popey08:43
diploI have a bug open, not been in my pc recently though to look at it.08:43
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:44
diploMorning bigcalm08:45
* bigcalm can smell the coffee!08:46
bigcalmBut will it wake me up?08:46
diploIrssi users, in my channels I have letters/numbers assigned to channels, so t = 15 and so I do alt t to show that window08:46
diploChannel # 20/21 don't have a number / letter assigned to them so I can change08:46
hd5770god damn ubuntu08:50
SuperMattdiplo: you can do /win <number>09:00
SuperMattof course, you could also alias /w to /win09:00
SuperMattor what I've done in the past /1 goes to window 1, /2 window 2, etc09:01
SuperMattso create an alias of /20 which runs /win 2009:01
diplokk ta, will look up aliases shortly09:02
SuperMattI don't know how you can cope to be in so many channels though09:02
diplo:D09:02
diploI used to be in 5/609:02
SuperMattI start closing down everything I'm not looking at at least a couple of times a day09:03
diploI don't read in others that often, but what I've found is I've found out loads of useful stuff by idling in some09:03
christeldiplo: you can just alias them to whatever shortcuts you want09:03
christeli just do /number for 1-500 :s09:04
diploNever needed it till now :) ta09:04
brobostigongood morning everyone,09:07
knightwisehey brobostigon09:10
brobostigonhey knightwise09:10
bigcalmCan an alias be a regex? Like /\d?09:25
SuperMatthuh, there was a fix in fail2ban which hasn't been sent downstream yet09:27
SuperMattoh, it's hit saucy, but not precise09:28
diploAny LDAP experts/knowledgable people in here ?09:38
mungbeannot very09:39
mungbeanjust working knowledge09:39
diploI'm basically just trying to set up a system at work09:39
diploBut want advice on how to structure it09:39
diploMy googling seems to be confusing me more than enlightening me :)09:39
mungbeanyou might save time to setup a zimbra server and see how it does it for you :)09:40
diploWill take a look at that as well then I guess09:41
diploWhat do you store in your ldap db mungbean  ?09:44
mungbeanpasswd , nfs mounts09:47
mungbeanautohome info09:47
mungbeane.g. desktop user can type /misc/mathematica and auto mounts that dir and runs the application09:48
diploOK, more than I was going to use ours for :)09:49
mungbeanjust passwd then?09:49
diploMore going to be for contact information/logins etc for internal systems09:50
diploAnd storing customer info etc09:50
diploSo I want to point our phone system at the ldap, our bug software/faq software etc09:50
diploSo that data is consistent across all of our applications etc09:51
mungbeanah ok, there's some howtos out there for it09:51
mungbeandid that abotu 10yr ago though09:51
diployeah, they're all a bit different, no real consistency.. my main Q is how I should structure it I guess09:52
mgdmI stopped doing LDAP stuff right around when OpenLDAP moved all its config inside the LDAP tree09:52
diploCan't think of any other way for the phone to interact.. can get round all the other issues apart from that09:58
advancedgardeFor anyone who is aware of my earlier post (or interested) I let badblocks run in read only-mode, no errors detected. Smart still shows 65535 sectors pending remapping - so I feel this strengthens the case for a firmware but. I'm going to run a low level format using WingDLG and I'll post back on here if I have any success.10:49
Daraelmgdm: (a little late) There's a reason there was a post in the Monastery a couple of years ago with subject "LDAP" and (entirety of) body "can [sod] off."11:13
mgdm:D11:14
DaraelWell, there are several.  One of them is that the Scary Devil Monastery is inhabited by grouchy sysadmins, but that isn't what I meant.11:14
mgdmThat became my assessment, too. I know enough to build a mail server with it, and perhaps some Asterisk stuff, and the entire time I did it I was thinking "Why can't I just use a DB with SQL?"11:14
mgdmI'm not aware of this Monastery, but i suspect I'd get on with some of their opinions11:15
DaraelFew are who don't frequent Usenet.  And how many do that, these days?11:15
mgdmIt's been more than a a couple of years for me sadly11:17
DJonesRight, its officially summer, just had a dodgy looking white van driven past the office with "Whigfield - Saturday night"  blasting out of the speakers & windows11:23
mgdmoh my11:23
mgdm</takei>11:23
DJonesTo complete the sentance, 'Oh my aching head' :)11:23
popeywatched Star Trek II the other day. When I saw Takei on screen my gut reaction was to lower my voice and say "Oh myyyyyy!"11:24
mgdm\o/11:24
mgdmI need to watch the original ST II again11:32
mgdmnot seen it since the new one11:32
brobostigonyes, 2/3/4 are definatly the best ones.11:33
brobostigonwrath,search,voyage.11:33
mgdmI like 6 too11:35
brobostigonundiscovered country?11:35
mgdmYeah11:37
brobostigonmy favorite of the TNG films, is certainly first contact.11:37
popeyyeah, i liked first contact too11:40
mgdmaye11:40
brobostigonjonathen frakes injected some good humour into it, like nimoy did in voyage home.11:41
advancedgardeOh cool, star trek fans ^^11:42
advancedgardeI've been watching TOS films in order prior to watching into darkness11:42
advancedgardeI'm on generations at the moment.11:44
popeyI'm going the other way, i watched Into Darkness recently, now going back over the old ones11:44
advancedgardeNot many of my friends seem interested in watching into darkness - so that's one of the main reasons I've not seen it yet.11:46
advancedgardeSeeing Man of Steel tonight.11:46
popeyi watched Into Darkness with daviey while waiting for my car to be fixed11:48
* popey notes daviey isnt here11:48
bigcalmWe all know that the film of 2013 will be Despicable Me 211:48
advancedgardeI'm new on ubuntu-uk IRC so I don't know many people here.11:48
popeyadvancedgarde: welcome ☻11:49
bigcalmadvancedgarde: then stay longer :)11:49
popeywe dont have many in real life meet ups11:49
popeybut a few here and there11:49
* popey pokes AlanBell 11:49
bigcalmMmmmmmmmm, ale11:49
* popey wonders if the team needs a kick in the butt11:49
knightwisepopey: did you like into darkness ?11:50
bigcalmRAT then oggcamp and my wedding. what else do we need?11:50
advancedgardeThank you ^^ I will attempt to do so. I want to get more failure with ubuntu over the summer. I switched to ubuntu from BSD in ... 2008 for the home server. I also use it to fix my (and friends) windows machines when they die, but I'm not currently using is as a day to day desktop OS/11:51
* bigcalm notes that tickets have sold out for the RAT in September11:52
popeyknightwise: yup11:52
popeybigcalm: my tickets finally arrived11:53
popeyafter i got them to send me reprints11:53
bigcalmpopey: phew!11:53
bigcalmpopey: The rotters11:53
advancedgardeI need to go now, I have to go to uxbridge to drop off my old house keys.11:55
christelpopey: we should do a brewery tour!11:56
christel(she says, inspired by spending friday evening at the hogsback brewery)11:56
christel(they were very generous with their ale...)11:56
christel(and i presume alan will do an ubuntubbq soonish)11:57
bigcalmDistillery tour of Scotland!11:57
christelbigcalm: ok, you're driving the minibus so we can all drink between distilleries!11:57
christel<311:57
bigcalmchristel: you think we'll have the proper british weather for a bbq?11:57
popeyadvancedgarde: ttfn11:57
christelrain? yeah, i am sure we will!11:57
christel:P11:57
bigcalm:D11:57
bigcalmI wonder if it would be worth my while getting minibus added to my driving licence11:58
davmor2bigcalm: but then you can't drink :P12:00
bigcalmdavmor2: ever again?12:00
davmor2bigcalm: no if you are driving the minibus12:01
bigcalmI thought drinking while driving a minibus was a requirement12:01
davmor2bigcalm: just bribe me to drive it :D I already have the license and I don't drink :)12:02
bigcalmWhat shall I get my soon to be 36yo sister?12:07
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christela minibus!12:08
bigcalmo.O12:09
bigcalmchristel: have you been on the gin?12:09
bigcalmI'm already on the wine12:11
bigcalmIt's a very recent vitage12:11
bigcalmvintage12:11
bigcalmThey are still grapes *munch*12:12
christelbigcalm: nej. i had some milk earlier, does that count?12:12
bigcalmchristel: "milk" eh? ;)12:12
christelyus, ice-cold semi-skimmed cravendale, went perfectly with my pancakes for breakfast!12:12
hd5770man how do you install ubuntu alone side windows and both OS's happy12:17
DJoneshd5770: In what way do you get unhappy OS's?12:19
davmor2hd5770: what version of windows?12:19
hd5770win 7 i lose boot load for or the other12:20
DJoneshd5770: For Win 7, all I did was to use Win 7 to resize the Win partition, and then boot with a liveUSB letting that partition the freespace & install with grub on the single drive12:24
davmor2hd5770: what DJones said,  Install win7, reduce it's partition size, then install Ubuntu into the free space,  you will then see an ubuntu and windows listing in a grub menu just point to the one you want to run12:24
bigcalmOr, if you have 2 harddrives, use one for windows and the other for ubuntu. Saves faffing about with resizing partitions12:27
DJonesMust admit, I can never bring myself to trust a linux installer to correctly shrink an NTFS partition without issues, I'd rather trust Windows (as a native format) to do that12:27
DJonesAs bigcalm said, use two drives where possible, just make sure you put grub on the right boot drive12:28
popeyI've never had a problem resizing an NTFS partition in Linux12:30
DJonesI'm not saying I would have an issue, its not something I've tried, just a case using a native tool at the time, haven't needed to do it for a few years anyway12:33
ali1234i have seen linux ruin a NTFS partition just by mounting it12:34
bigcalmBut I've never seen an elephant fly12:51
* bigcalm lunches12:51
* DJones passes bigcalm a Disney's Dumbo video12:53
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hd5770damn i used ubuntu to do the resize13:25
hd5770now i got bad blocks on my ssd13:25
hd5770win7 loader is at /devb/sdg1 when i install grub there windows loader no longer works13:26
mungbeanhow did it come to this? firefox regularly taking out my desktop for 15 mins due to disk trashing13:34
mungbeanand out of mem13:34
dubaco_1hi android not connecting via usb can anyone help?14:22
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ali1234gimp layer groups are broken to the point of being useless14:54
ali1234since they merge down their contents and then blend then with one operation14:54
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dogmatic69GTX 550 Ti is not plug and play :/16:02
redtape|renegadeDouble Click-ing makes 13.10 a Double-trouble O/S for Unity dash in Ubuntu.. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-13-10-Wants-Users-to-Double-Click-Everything-in-Unity-s-Dash-361544.shtml16:04
redtape|renegadeleaves16:04
AlanBellhmm, uninformed reporting on the development version16:05
MartijnVdSAlanBell: Well that's never happened before16:05
AlanBellhey look, today this happened! Is this a bug, is it a new feature? We have no idea, lets hit the publish button.16:06
MartijnVdSalt+f2 is broken again too16:37
MartijnVdSif you press Enter too quickly after typing a command, a random other command will run16:37
MartijnVdS(well it seems random to me anyway)16:37
czajkowskibest client to use for gmail talk16:46
MartijnVdSczajkowski: the Chrome extension16:49
MartijnVdSczajkowski: otherwise you won't be able to use the group chat bits16:49
MartijnVdSczajkowski: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hangouts/nckgahadagoaajjgafhacjanaoiihapd?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon16:51
mgdmthe chrome extension is catastrophically annoying16:54
mgdm(at least on OSX)16:55
popeyeats cpu16:55
popeyits common in hangouts to share one window, xsensors, showing 98 degrees16:55
mgdmwhat do you call the thing that used to be in Crunchbang that shows various info on the desktop background?16:56
mgdmConky, that's it16:58
MartijnVdSmgdm: an app that monitors all kinds of stats about your machine and puts it in a window16:58
MartijnVdSand/or your background16:58
MartijnVdSah wait16:59
MartijnVdSyou already know that16:59
mgdmYeah, I know what it is, I was asking its name16:59
* MartijnVdS fails reading16:59
mgdmhehe16:59
* MartijnVdS will be going to the Spa GP \o/16:59
MartijnVdSf116:59
mgdmnice16:59
bigcalmI used to use gkrellm for sensors and other graphs17:15
czajkowskibah yeah I need it for group chats17:17
popeysurely you already had it installed?17:18
directhexMartijnVdS, considering how close i live to silverstone, and most of the uk motorsport headquarters, i should care more about f117:19
czajkowskiboo This application is not supported on this computer. Installation has been disabled.17:23
czajkowskibrb17:23
* brobostigon is equally in proximity, but cares for c++ and controller programming,17:25
brobostigoninteresting thing about north oxfordshire.17:28
knightwiseevening all18:24
knightwisedoes anybody know their way around the grub rescue menu ?18:24
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knightwiseI moved some partitions around and now my Ubuntu won't boot any more :(18:26
SuperEngineererm - reinstall grub from live cd [or use boot-rescue live]?18:27
SuperEngineerknightwise ^18:27
knightwisedo I need the 12.04 live cd for that ?18:28
SuperEngineerany live cd with relevant version of grub18:28
knightwiselooking for one now, holdon18:29
* SuperEngineer once resorted to using a copy of boot-rescue live cd... worked a treat]18:29
SuperEngineerbut any relevant live cd with relevant grub18:30
knightwiseok , got a linux mint live cd here18:30
knightwisebooting from it now18:30
SuperEngineershould do fine18:30
knightwiseThing is , i'm on a mac (dual booting osx and Ubuntu) and I resized (and moved around some partitions .18:31
knightwiseand now my ubuntu partition no longer boots18:31
SuperEngineerooooo18:31
knightwiseok , i've booted up into the mint live cd18:31
SuperEngineernever done this on a Mac18:31
knightwiseshouldn't make a difference , it boots with REFIT first and then chainloads to grub18:32
knightwiseand its jst the grub part thats broken.18:32
SuperEngineerok, but maybe wait for an answer from a mac user?18:32
knightwisei've booted up into Linux Mint (live cd) .. now what do I do to reinstall grab18:33
knightwiseSuperEngineer: nono, not and issue , the issue at hand is a pure linux issue18:33
SuperEngineerif you say so..18:33
SuperEngineerin which case...18:33
SuperEngineeropen a terminal18:33
SuperEngineer....18:33
knightwiseterminal open18:33
SuperEngineersudo grub-install /dev/sda  ... but is that ok on a mac?18:34
knightwiseyep , thats ok18:35
SuperEngineercool!18:35
knightwisei'll open up gparted first to see on what partion linux is installed18:35
SuperEngineerwise18:35
knightwiseits on sda318:35
SuperEngineerso /dev/sda it is18:36
knightwisefailed to get canonical path of /cow18:36
SuperEngineersurely  you don't install grub to a partition?18:36
knightwisepath /boot/grub is not readable by grub on boot installation is impossible18:36
knightwiseI install grub on the / partition mostly18:37
SuperEngineerermmm18:37
knightwiseno ?18:37
SuperEngineerneed advice from others really, personally I wouldn't install it to partition18:37
SuperEngineerunless mac needs things that way?18:38
knightwisethe odd thing is , this used to work fine untill i did a resize with some partitions18:38
SuperEngineeranyone watching this and able to confirm/deny?18:38
SuperEngineerdid the resize appear to go ok18:39
knightwiseyep ,18:39
SuperEngineerin which case...18:39
SuperEngineeranyone watching this and able to confirm/deny install to disk v. install to partition18:40
knightwisewel .. /sda3 is a disk right ? or a partition18:40
directhexfor dual booting on a mac, you should install grub to a partition header18:40
SuperEngineerpartition18:40
directhexi.e. to sdaX, not sda18:40
knightwiseI installed it to sda318:40
SuperEngineerdirecthex: thanks18:40
knightwiseI just used gparted to take a look at the partition and i remember it did give me an error that things could go pearshaped if you move the root partition18:45
knightwiseit also says there is a way to fix it , it just doesnt elaborate18:45
ali1234what's a program that works exactly like make, but is more powerful?18:50
ali1234specifically i need regular expression rule matching18:50
mgdmali1234: I like 'waf', in Python18:54
mgdmas it's Python you can do what you want with regexes, i guess18:54
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GoshawkHi guys, my CD drive wont open. Just comes up with 'Inappropriate ioctl for device'. Any ideas?19:05
DaraelGoshawk: Hast tried it with the button that's presumably on it, or art using right-click/eject from the launcher? (Just trying to find out whether it's a pure software issue here)19:15
GoshawkDarael: Have tried both ways19:17
DaraelHmm.  That *is* odd.19:17
mgdmOooh, hello19:19
mgdmnever had the MBA fan fire up before, until I started compiling GTK+19:19
DaraelOh, GTK+...19:20
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bigcalmI appear to have lost the audio notification icon19:42
bigcalmHow irritating19:42
diploRecommendations of where to get SSL certs from ?20:06
diploCheap* :)20:07
diploPersonal site20:07
MartijnVdSstartssl20:07
MartijnVdSthey have a free tier20:08
MartijnVdScheap enough :)20:08
MartijnVdS?20:08
diplohttps://www.startssl.com/ ?20:09
diploNot worried about free, just don't want to spend £100 a year20:09
MartijnVdSthat's the one20:09
bigcalmWhat's wrong with self-signed? ;)20:11
diploDon't want friends / family to have to accept the old not verified20:11
bigcalmGet them to import the cert into their web browsers20:14
MartijnVdShence startssl :)20:14
bigcalmBah, too easy :P20:14
MartijnVdSA few registrars also give 1 year free SSL cert with a domain20:14
* MartijnVdS uses gandi.net for all20:14
diploI've just moved a domain to them, hadn't checked their site yet20:16
diploHmm, free for the first year when i transfer to gandi, can't remember them offering that when moving my other domain20:22
diploCan I move certs from servers to servers easily enough? Never used certs properly20:28
MartijnVdSyeah, server to server is fine, as long as the hostname is the same20:28
diploSo basically I want to test on a local server and then move to a VPS when I get some more cash20:28
diployeah will be set up the same20:28
diploCool ta20:29
MartijnVdSnp :)20:29
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