[06:36] <knightwise> mornin !
[06:40] <knightwise> hey TheOpenSourcerer !
[06:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[06:42] <knightwise> how are you today
[06:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Fine thanks. In the office already. Coffee #2 underway
[06:57] <knightwise> I should probablu look into that too
[07:01] <popey> morning
[07:03] <knightwise> popey: are you familiar with reports that 13.04 is considered "slower to beoot" then 12.04 ?
[07:14] <popey> knightwise: nope
[07:20] <knightwise> hmm .. must be me then. i'll give it another try tonight (running ubuntu on the macbook air)
[07:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:25] <Gary> hey everybody!
[07:26] <Gary> My name is troy McClure, you may know me from other documentries such as "how to tame your trouser snake" and "what to do in the case the zombies take over"
[07:27] <popey> knightwise: is this a machine which has had 12.04 and 13.04 on it ?
[07:27] <popey> i.e. comparing apples with apples (lol)
[07:30] <knightwise> correct
[08:01] <kvarley-work> 13.04 64 bit - Dell Inspiron 14z - On some boots the audio stops working and just lists "Dummy Output". I think it may be related to me using HDMI. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[08:10] <popey> kvarley-work: i have seen that sometimes
[08:11] <popey> can you restart pulseaudio, does it then work? "pulseaudio -k"
[08:11] <kvarley-work> popey: Doesn't appear to fix it. I've seen some threads suggesting it's a kernel issue
[08:12] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/294016/no-sound-in-ubuntu-13-04-only-dummy-output-device-listed
[08:17] <DJones> kvarley-work: popey: I've had the same issue on my laptop using internal sound on a HP laptop, a reboot seems to fix it
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! :-D
[08:37]  * DJones eats bacon as its a fruit of the pig
[08:42] <diplo> Morning all
[08:43] <diplo> Oooh I had that issue kvarley-work / popey
[08:43] <diplo> I have a bug open, not been in my pc recently though to look at it.
[08:44] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:45] <diplo> Morning bigcalm
[08:46]  * bigcalm can smell the coffee!
[08:46] <bigcalm> But will it wake me up?
[08:46] <diplo> Irssi users, in my channels I have letters/numbers assigned to channels, so t = 15 and so I do alt t to show that window
[08:46] <diplo> Channel # 20/21 don't have a number / letter assigned to them so I can change
[08:50] <hd5770> god damn ubuntu
[09:00] <SuperMatt> diplo: you can do /win <number>
[09:00] <SuperMatt> of course, you could also alias /w to /win
[09:01] <SuperMatt> or what I've done in the past /1 goes to window 1, /2 window 2, etc
[09:01] <SuperMatt> so create an alias of /20 which runs /win 20
[09:02] <diplo> kk ta, will look up aliases shortly
[09:02] <SuperMatt> I don't know how you can cope to be in so many channels though
[09:02] <diplo> :D
[09:02] <diplo> I used to be in 5/6
[09:03] <SuperMatt> I start closing down everything I'm not looking at at least a couple of times a day
[09:03] <diplo> I don't read in others that often, but what I've found is I've found out loads of useful stuff by idling in some
[09:03] <christel> diplo: you can just alias them to whatever shortcuts you want
[09:04] <christel> i just do /number for 1-500 :s
[09:04] <diplo> Never needed it till now :) ta
[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:10] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:10] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[09:25] <bigcalm> Can an alias be a regex? Like /\d?
[09:27] <SuperMatt> huh, there was a fix in fail2ban which hasn't been sent downstream yet
[09:28] <SuperMatt> oh, it's hit saucy, but not precise
[09:38] <diplo> Any LDAP experts/knowledgable people in here ?
[09:39] <mungbean> not very
[09:39] <mungbean> just working knowledge
[09:39] <diplo> I'm basically just trying to set up a system at work
[09:39] <diplo> But want advice on how to structure it
[09:39] <diplo> My googling seems to be confusing me more than enlightening me :)
[09:40] <mungbean> you might save time to setup a zimbra server and see how it does it for you :)
[09:41] <diplo> Will take a look at that as well then I guess
[09:44] <diplo> What do you store in your ldap db mungbean  ?
[09:47] <mungbean> passwd , nfs mounts
[09:47] <mungbean> autohome info
[09:48] <mungbean> e.g. desktop user can type /misc/mathematica and auto mounts that dir and runs the application
[09:49] <diplo> OK, more than I was going to use ours for :)
[09:49] <mungbean> just passwd then?
[09:50] <diplo> More going to be for contact information/logins etc for internal systems
[09:50] <diplo> And storing customer info etc
[09:50] <diplo> So I want to point our phone system at the ldap, our bug software/faq software etc
[09:51] <diplo> So that data is consistent across all of our applications etc
[09:51] <mungbean> ah ok, there's some howtos out there for it
[09:51] <mungbean> did that abotu 10yr ago though
[09:52] <diplo> yeah, they're all a bit different, no real consistency.. my main Q is how I should structure it I guess
[09:52] <mgdm> I stopped doing LDAP stuff right around when OpenLDAP moved all its config inside the LDAP tree
[09:58] <diplo> Can't think of any other way for the phone to interact.. can get round all the other issues apart from that
[10:49] <advancedgarde> For anyone who is aware of my earlier post (or interested) I let badblocks run in read only-mode, no errors detected. Smart still shows 65535 sectors pending remapping - so I feel this strengthens the case for a firmware but. I'm going to run a low level format using WingDLG and I'll post back on here if I have any success.
[11:13] <Darael> mgdm: (a little late) There's a reason there was a post in the Monastery a couple of years ago with subject "LDAP" and (entirety of) body "can [sod] off."
[11:14] <mgdm> :D
[11:14] <Darael> Well, there are several.  One of them is that the Scary Devil Monastery is inhabited by grouchy sysadmins, but that isn't what I meant.
[11:14] <mgdm> That became my assessment, too. I know enough to build a mail server with it, and perhaps some Asterisk stuff, and the entire time I did it I was thinking "Why can't I just use a DB with SQL?"
[11:15] <mgdm> I'm not aware of this Monastery, but i suspect I'd get on with some of their opinions
[11:15] <Darael> Few are who don't frequent Usenet.  And how many do that, these days?
[11:17] <mgdm> It's been more than a a couple of years for me sadly
[11:23] <DJones> Right, its officially summer, just had a dodgy looking white van driven past the office with "Whigfield - Saturday night"  blasting out of the speakers & windows
[11:23] <mgdm> oh my
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[11:23] <DJones> To complete the sentance, 'Oh my aching head' :)
[11:24] <popey> watched Star Trek II the other day. When I saw Takei on screen my gut reaction was to lower my voice and say "Oh myyyyyy!"
[11:24] <mgdm> \o/
[11:32] <mgdm> I need to watch the original ST II again
[11:32] <mgdm> not seen it since the new one
[11:33] <brobostigon> yes, 2/3/4 are definatly the best ones.
[11:33] <brobostigon> wrath,search,voyage.
[11:35] <mgdm> I like 6 too
[11:35] <brobostigon> undiscovered country?
[11:37] <mgdm> Yeah
[11:37] <brobostigon> my favorite of the TNG films, is certainly first contact.
[11:40] <popey> yeah, i liked first contact too
[11:40] <mgdm> aye
[11:41] <brobostigon> jonathen frakes injected some good humour into it, like nimoy did in voyage home.
[11:42] <advancedgarde> Oh cool, star trek fans ^^
[11:42] <advancedgarde> I've been watching TOS films in order prior to watching into darkness
[11:44] <advancedgarde> I'm on generations at the moment.
[11:44] <popey> I'm going the other way, i watched Into Darkness recently, now going back over the old ones
[11:46] <advancedgarde> Not many of my friends seem interested in watching into darkness - so that's one of the main reasons I've not seen it yet.
[11:46] <advancedgarde> Seeing Man of Steel tonight.
[11:48] <popey> i watched Into Darkness with daviey while waiting for my car to be fixed
[11:48]  * popey notes daviey isnt here
[11:48] <bigcalm> We all know that the film of 2013 will be Despicable Me 2
[11:48] <advancedgarde> I'm new on ubuntu-uk IRC so I don't know many people here.
[11:49] <popey> advancedgarde: welcome ☻
[11:49] <bigcalm> advancedgarde: then stay longer :)
[11:49] <popey> we dont have many in real life meet ups
[11:49] <popey> but a few here and there
[11:49]  * popey pokes AlanBell 
[11:49] <bigcalm> Mmmmmmmmm, ale
[11:49]  * popey wonders if the team needs a kick in the butt
[11:50] <knightwise> popey: did you like into darkness ?
[11:50] <bigcalm> RAT then oggcamp and my wedding. what else do we need?
[11:51] <advancedgarde> Thank you ^^ I will attempt to do so. I want to get more failure with ubuntu over the summer. I switched to ubuntu from BSD in ... 2008 for the home server. I also use it to fix my (and friends) windows machines when they die, but I'm not currently using is as a day to day desktop OS/
[11:52]  * bigcalm notes that tickets have sold out for the RAT in September
[11:52] <popey> knightwise: yup
[11:53] <popey> bigcalm: my tickets finally arrived
[11:53] <popey> after i got them to send me reprints
[11:53] <bigcalm> popey: phew!
[11:53] <bigcalm> popey: The rotters
[11:55] <advancedgarde> I need to go now, I have to go to uxbridge to drop off my old house keys.
[11:56] <christel> popey: we should do a brewery tour!
[11:56] <christel> (she says, inspired by spending friday evening at the hogsback brewery)
[11:56] <christel> (they were very generous with their ale...)
[11:57] <christel> (and i presume alan will do an ubuntubbq soonish)
[11:57] <bigcalm> Distillery tour of Scotland!
[11:57] <christel> bigcalm: ok, you're driving the minibus so we can all drink between distilleries!
[11:57] <christel> <3
[11:57] <bigcalm> christel: you think we'll have the proper british weather for a bbq?
[11:57] <popey> advancedgarde: ttfn
[11:57] <christel> rain? yeah, i am sure we will!
[11:57] <christel> :P
[11:57] <bigcalm> :D
[11:58] <bigcalm> I wonder if it would be worth my while getting minibus added to my driving licence
[12:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: but then you can't drink :P
[12:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: ever again?
[12:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: no if you are driving the minibus
[12:01] <bigcalm> I thought drinking while driving a minibus was a requirement
[12:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: just bribe me to drive it :D I already have the license and I don't drink :)
[12:07] <bigcalm> What shall I get my soon to be 36yo sister?
[12:08] <christel> a minibus!
[12:09] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:09] <bigcalm> christel: have you been on the gin?
[12:11] <bigcalm> I'm already on the wine
[12:11] <bigcalm> It's a very recent vitage
[12:11] <bigcalm> vintage
[12:12] <bigcalm> They are still grapes *munch*
[12:12] <christel> bigcalm: nej. i had some milk earlier, does that count?
[12:12] <bigcalm> christel: "milk" eh? ;)
[12:12] <christel> yus, ice-cold semi-skimmed cravendale, went perfectly with my pancakes for breakfast!
[12:17] <hd5770> man how do you install ubuntu alone side windows and both OS's happy
[12:19] <DJones> hd5770: In what way do you get unhappy OS's?
[12:19] <davmor2> hd5770: what version of windows?
[12:20] <hd5770> win 7 i lose boot load for or the other
[12:24] <DJones> hd5770: For Win 7, all I did was to use Win 7 to resize the Win partition, and then boot with a liveUSB letting that partition the freespace & install with grub on the single drive
[12:24] <davmor2> hd5770: what DJones said,  Install win7, reduce it's partition size, then install Ubuntu into the free space,  you will then see an ubuntu and windows listing in a grub menu just point to the one you want to run
[12:27] <bigcalm> Or, if you have 2 harddrives, use one for windows and the other for ubuntu. Saves faffing about with resizing partitions
[12:27] <DJones> Must admit, I can never bring myself to trust a linux installer to correctly shrink an NTFS partition without issues, I'd rather trust Windows (as a native format) to do that
[12:28] <DJones> As bigcalm said, use two drives where possible, just make sure you put grub on the right boot drive
[12:30] <popey> I've never had a problem resizing an NTFS partition in Linux
[12:33] <DJones> I'm not saying I would have an issue, its not something I've tried, just a case using a native tool at the time, haven't needed to do it for a few years anyway
[12:34] <ali1234> i have seen linux ruin a NTFS partition just by mounting it
[12:51] <bigcalm> But I've never seen an elephant fly
[12:51]  * bigcalm lunches
[12:53]  * DJones passes bigcalm a Disney's Dumbo video
[13:25] <hd5770> damn i used ubuntu to do the resize
[13:25] <hd5770> now i got bad blocks on my ssd
[13:26] <hd5770> win7 loader is at /devb/sdg1 when i install grub there windows loader no longer works
[13:34] <mungbean> how did it come to this? firefox regularly taking out my desktop for 15 mins due to disk trashing
[13:34] <mungbean> and out of mem
[14:22] <dubaco_1> hi android not connecting via usb can anyone help?
[14:54] <ali1234> gimp layer groups are broken to the point of being useless
[14:54] <ali1234> since they merge down their contents and then blend then with one operation
[16:02] <dogmatic69> GTX 550 Ti is not plug and play :/
[16:04] <redtape|renegade> Double Click-ing makes 13.10 a Double-trouble O/S for Unity dash in Ubuntu.. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-13-10-Wants-Users-to-Double-Click-Everything-in-Unity-s-Dash-361544.shtml
[16:04] <redtape|renegade> leaves
[16:05] <AlanBell> hmm, uninformed reporting on the development version
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Well that's never happened before
[16:06] <AlanBell> hey look, today this happened! Is this a bug, is it a new feature? We have no idea, lets hit the publish button.
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> alt+f2 is broken again too
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> if you press Enter too quickly after typing a command, a random other command will run
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> (well it seems random to me anyway)
[16:46] <czajkowski> best client to use for gmail talk
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: the Chrome extension
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: otherwise you won't be able to use the group chat bits
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hangouts/nckgahadagoaajjgafhacjanaoiihapd?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon
[16:54] <mgdm> the chrome extension is catastrophically annoying
[16:55] <mgdm> (at least on OSX)
[16:55] <popey> eats cpu
[16:55] <popey> its common in hangouts to share one window, xsensors, showing 98 degrees
[16:56] <mgdm> what do you call the thing that used to be in Crunchbang that shows various info on the desktop background?
[16:58] <mgdm> Conky, that's it
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: an app that monitors all kinds of stats about your machine and puts it in a window
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> and/or your background
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> ah wait
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> you already know that
[16:59] <mgdm> Yeah, I know what it is, I was asking its name
[16:59]  * MartijnVdS fails reading
[16:59] <mgdm> hehe
[16:59]  * MartijnVdS will be going to the Spa GP \o/
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> f1
[16:59] <mgdm> nice
[17:15] <bigcalm> I used to use gkrellm for sensors and other graphs
[17:17] <czajkowski> bah yeah I need it for group chats
[17:18] <popey> surely you already had it installed?
[17:19] <directhex> MartijnVdS, considering how close i live to silverstone, and most of the uk motorsport headquarters, i should care more about f1
[17:23] <czajkowski> boo This application is not supported on this computer. Installation has been disabled.
[17:23] <czajkowski> brb
[17:25]  * brobostigon is equally in proximity, but cares for c++ and controller programming,
[17:28] <brobostigon> interesting thing about north oxfordshire.
[18:24] <knightwise> evening all
[18:24] <knightwise> does anybody know their way around the grub rescue menu ?
[18:26] <knightwise> I moved some partitions around and now my Ubuntu won't boot any more :(
[18:27] <SuperEngineer> erm - reinstall grub from live cd [or use boot-rescue live]?
[18:27] <SuperEngineer> knightwise ^
[18:28] <knightwise> do I need the 12.04 live cd for that ?
[18:28] <SuperEngineer> any live cd with relevant version of grub
[18:29] <knightwise> looking for one now, holdon
[18:29]  * SuperEngineer once resorted to using a copy of boot-rescue live cd... worked a treat]
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> but any relevant live cd with relevant grub
[18:30] <knightwise> ok , got a linux mint live cd here
[18:30] <knightwise> booting from it now
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> should do fine
[18:31] <knightwise> Thing is , i'm on a mac (dual booting osx and Ubuntu) and I resized (and moved around some partitions .
[18:31] <knightwise> and now my ubuntu partition no longer boots
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> ooooo
[18:31] <knightwise> ok , i've booted up into the mint live cd
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> never done this on a Mac
[18:32] <knightwise> shouldn't make a difference , it boots with REFIT first and then chainloads to grub
[18:32] <knightwise> and its jst the grub part thats broken.
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> ok, but maybe wait for an answer from a mac user?
[18:33] <knightwise> i've booted up into Linux Mint (live cd) .. now what do I do to reinstall grab
[18:33] <knightwise> SuperEngineer: nono, not and issue , the issue at hand is a pure linux issue
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> if you say so..
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> in which case...
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> open a terminal
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> ....
[18:33] <knightwise> terminal open
[18:34] <SuperEngineer> sudo grub-install /dev/sda  ... but is that ok on a mac?
[18:35] <knightwise> yep , thats ok
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> cool!
[18:35] <knightwise> i'll open up gparted first to see on what partion linux is installed
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> wise
[18:35] <knightwise> its on sda3
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> so /dev/sda it is
[18:36] <knightwise> failed to get canonical path of /cow
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> surely  you don't install grub to a partition?
[18:36] <knightwise> path /boot/grub is not readable by grub on boot installation is impossible
[18:37] <knightwise> I install grub on the / partition mostly
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> ermmm
[18:37] <knightwise> no ?
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> need advice from others really, personally I wouldn't install it to partition
[18:38] <SuperEngineer> unless mac needs things that way?
[18:38] <knightwise> the odd thing is , this used to work fine untill i did a resize with some partitions
[18:38] <SuperEngineer> anyone watching this and able to confirm/deny?
[18:39] <SuperEngineer> did the resize appear to go ok
[18:39] <knightwise> yep ,
[18:39] <SuperEngineer> in which case...
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> anyone watching this and able to confirm/deny install to disk v. install to partition
[18:40] <knightwise> wel .. /sda3 is a disk right ? or a partition
[18:40] <directhex> for dual booting on a mac, you should install grub to a partition header
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> partition
[18:40] <directhex> i.e. to sdaX, not sda
[18:40] <knightwise> I installed it to sda3
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> directhex: thanks
[18:45] <knightwise> I just used gparted to take a look at the partition and i remember it did give me an error that things could go pearshaped if you move the root partition
[18:45] <knightwise> it also says there is a way to fix it , it just doesnt elaborate
[18:50] <ali1234> what's a program that works exactly like make, but is more powerful?
[18:50] <ali1234> specifically i need regular expression rule matching
[18:54] <mgdm> ali1234: I like 'waf', in Python
[18:54] <mgdm> as it's Python you can do what you want with regexes, i guess
[19:05] <Goshawk> Hi guys, my CD drive wont open. Just comes up with 'Inappropriate ioctl for device'. Any ideas?
[19:15] <Darael> Goshawk: Hast tried it with the button that's presumably on it, or art using right-click/eject from the launcher? (Just trying to find out whether it's a pure software issue here)
[19:17] <Goshawk> Darael: Have tried both ways
[19:17] <Darael> Hmm.  That *is* odd.
[19:19] <mgdm> Oooh, hello
[19:19] <mgdm> never had the MBA fan fire up before, until I started compiling GTK+
[19:20] <Darael> Oh, GTK+...
[19:42] <bigcalm> I appear to have lost the audio notification icon
[19:42] <bigcalm> How irritating
[20:06] <diplo> Recommendations of where to get SSL certs from ?
[20:07] <diplo> Cheap* :)
[20:07] <diplo> Personal site
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> startssl
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> they have a free tier
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> cheap enough :)
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> ?
[20:09] <diplo> https://www.startssl.com/ ?
[20:09] <diplo> Not worried about free, just don't want to spend £100 a year
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> that's the one
[20:11] <bigcalm> What's wrong with self-signed? ;)
[20:11] <diplo> Don't want friends / family to have to accept the old not verified
[20:14] <bigcalm> Get them to import the cert into their web browsers
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> hence startssl :)
[20:14] <bigcalm> Bah, too easy :P
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> A few registrars also give 1 year free SSL cert with a domain
[20:14]  * MartijnVdS uses gandi.net for all
[20:16] <diplo> I've just moved a domain to them, hadn't checked their site yet
[20:22] <diplo> Hmm, free for the first year when i transfer to gandi, can't remember them offering that when moving my other domain
[20:28] <diplo> Can I move certs from servers to servers easily enough? Never used certs properly
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> yeah, server to server is fine, as long as the hostname is the same
[20:28] <diplo> So basically I want to test on a local server and then move to a VPS when I get some more cash
[20:28] <diplo> yeah will be set up the same
[20:29] <diplo> Cool ta
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> np :)