=== marlinc is now known as marlinc|away === marlinc|away is now known as marlinc [06:36] mornin ! [06:40] hey TheOpenSourcerer ! [06:40] morning [06:42] how are you today [06:45] Fine thanks. In the office already. Coffee #2 underway [06:57] I should probablu look into that too [07:01] morning [07:03] popey: are you familiar with reports that 13.04 is considered "slower to beoot" then 12.04 ? [07:14] knightwise: nope [07:20] hmm .. must be me then. i'll give it another try tonight (running ubuntu on the macbook air) [07:24] aloha [07:25] hey everybody! [07:26] My name is troy McClure, you may know me from other documentries such as "how to tame your trouser snake" and "what to do in the case the zombies take over" [07:27] knightwise: is this a machine which has had 12.04 and 13.04 on it ? [07:27] i.e. comparing apples with apples (lol) [07:30] correct [08:01] 13.04 64 bit - Dell Inspiron 14z - On some boots the audio stops working and just lists "Dummy Output". I think it may be related to me using HDMI. Any ideas on how to fix this? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:10] kvarley-work: i have seen that sometimes [08:11] can you restart pulseaudio, does it then work? "pulseaudio -k" [08:11] popey: Doesn't appear to fix it. I've seen some threads suggesting it's a kernel issue [08:12] http://askubuntu.com/questions/294016/no-sound-in-ubuntu-13-04-only-dummy-output-device-listed [08:17] kvarley-work: popey: I've had the same issue on my laptop using internal sound on a HP laptop, a reboot seems to fix it [08:36] Good morning all, happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! :-D [08:37] * DJones eats bacon as its a fruit of the pig [08:42] Morning all [08:43] Oooh I had that issue kvarley-work / popey [08:43] I have a bug open, not been in my pc recently though to look at it. [08:44] Good morning peeps :) [08:45] Morning bigcalm [08:46] * bigcalm can smell the coffee! [08:46] But will it wake me up? [08:46] Irssi users, in my channels I have letters/numbers assigned to channels, so t = 15 and so I do alt t to show that window [08:46] Channel # 20/21 don't have a number / letter assigned to them so I can change [08:50] god damn ubuntu [09:00] diplo: you can do /win [09:00] of course, you could also alias /w to /win [09:01] or what I've done in the past /1 goes to window 1, /2 window 2, etc [09:01] so create an alias of /20 which runs /win 20 [09:02] kk ta, will look up aliases shortly [09:02] I don't know how you can cope to be in so many channels though [09:02] :D [09:02] I used to be in 5/6 [09:03] I start closing down everything I'm not looking at at least a couple of times a day [09:03] I don't read in others that often, but what I've found is I've found out loads of useful stuff by idling in some [09:03] diplo: you can just alias them to whatever shortcuts you want [09:04] i just do /number for 1-500 :s [09:04] Never needed it till now :) ta [09:07] good morning everyone, [09:10] hey brobostigon [09:10] hey knightwise [09:25] Can an alias be a regex? Like /\d? [09:27] huh, there was a fix in fail2ban which hasn't been sent downstream yet [09:28] oh, it's hit saucy, but not precise [09:38] Any LDAP experts/knowledgable people in here ? [09:39] not very [09:39] just working knowledge [09:39] I'm basically just trying to set up a system at work [09:39] But want advice on how to structure it [09:39] My googling seems to be confusing me more than enlightening me :) [09:40] you might save time to setup a zimbra server and see how it does it for you :) [09:41] Will take a look at that as well then I guess [09:44] What do you store in your ldap db mungbean ? [09:47] passwd , nfs mounts [09:47] autohome info [09:48] e.g. desktop user can type /misc/mathematica and auto mounts that dir and runs the application [09:49] OK, more than I was going to use ours for :) [09:49] just passwd then? [09:50] More going to be for contact information/logins etc for internal systems [09:50] And storing customer info etc [09:50] So I want to point our phone system at the ldap, our bug software/faq software etc [09:51] So that data is consistent across all of our applications etc [09:51] ah ok, there's some howtos out there for it [09:51] did that abotu 10yr ago though [09:52] yeah, they're all a bit different, no real consistency.. my main Q is how I should structure it I guess [09:52] I stopped doing LDAP stuff right around when OpenLDAP moved all its config inside the LDAP tree [09:58] Can't think of any other way for the phone to interact.. can get round all the other issues apart from that [10:49] For anyone who is aware of my earlier post (or interested) I let badblocks run in read only-mode, no errors detected. Smart still shows 65535 sectors pending remapping - so I feel this strengthens the case for a firmware but. I'm going to run a low level format using WingDLG and I'll post back on here if I have any success. [11:13] mgdm: (a little late) There's a reason there was a post in the Monastery a couple of years ago with subject "LDAP" and (entirety of) body "can [sod] off." [11:14] :D [11:14] Well, there are several. One of them is that the Scary Devil Monastery is inhabited by grouchy sysadmins, but that isn't what I meant. [11:14] That became my assessment, too. I know enough to build a mail server with it, and perhaps some Asterisk stuff, and the entire time I did it I was thinking "Why can't I just use a DB with SQL?" [11:15] I'm not aware of this Monastery, but i suspect I'd get on with some of their opinions [11:15] Few are who don't frequent Usenet. And how many do that, these days? [11:17] It's been more than a a couple of years for me sadly [11:23] Right, its officially summer, just had a dodgy looking white van driven past the office with "Whigfield - Saturday night" blasting out of the speakers & windows [11:23] oh my [11:23] [11:23] To complete the sentance, 'Oh my aching head' :) [11:24] watched Star Trek II the other day. When I saw Takei on screen my gut reaction was to lower my voice and say "Oh myyyyyy!" [11:24] \o/ [11:32] I need to watch the original ST II again [11:32] not seen it since the new one [11:33] yes, 2/3/4 are definatly the best ones. [11:33] wrath,search,voyage. [11:35] I like 6 too [11:35] undiscovered country? [11:37] Yeah [11:37] my favorite of the TNG films, is certainly first contact. [11:40] yeah, i liked first contact too [11:40] aye [11:41] jonathen frakes injected some good humour into it, like nimoy did in voyage home. [11:42] Oh cool, star trek fans ^^ [11:42] I've been watching TOS films in order prior to watching into darkness [11:44] I'm on generations at the moment. [11:44] I'm going the other way, i watched Into Darkness recently, now going back over the old ones [11:46] Not many of my friends seem interested in watching into darkness - so that's one of the main reasons I've not seen it yet. [11:46] Seeing Man of Steel tonight. [11:48] i watched Into Darkness with daviey while waiting for my car to be fixed [11:48] * popey notes daviey isnt here [11:48] We all know that the film of 2013 will be Despicable Me 2 [11:48] I'm new on ubuntu-uk IRC so I don't know many people here. [11:49] advancedgarde: welcome ☻ [11:49] advancedgarde: then stay longer :) [11:49] we dont have many in real life meet ups [11:49] but a few here and there [11:49] * popey pokes AlanBell [11:49] Mmmmmmmmm, ale [11:49] * popey wonders if the team needs a kick in the butt [11:50] popey: did you like into darkness ? [11:50] RAT then oggcamp and my wedding. what else do we need? [11:51] Thank you ^^ I will attempt to do so. I want to get more failure with ubuntu over the summer. I switched to ubuntu from BSD in ... 2008 for the home server. I also use it to fix my (and friends) windows machines when they die, but I'm not currently using is as a day to day desktop OS/ [11:52] * bigcalm notes that tickets have sold out for the RAT in September [11:52] knightwise: yup [11:53] bigcalm: my tickets finally arrived [11:53] after i got them to send me reprints [11:53] popey: phew! [11:53] popey: The rotters [11:55] I need to go now, I have to go to uxbridge to drop off my old house keys. [11:56] popey: we should do a brewery tour! [11:56] (she says, inspired by spending friday evening at the hogsback brewery) [11:56] (they were very generous with their ale...) [11:57] (and i presume alan will do an ubuntubbq soonish) [11:57] Distillery tour of Scotland! [11:57] bigcalm: ok, you're driving the minibus so we can all drink between distilleries! [11:57] <3 [11:57] christel: you think we'll have the proper british weather for a bbq? [11:57] advancedgarde: ttfn [11:57] rain? yeah, i am sure we will! [11:57] :P [11:57] :D [11:58] I wonder if it would be worth my while getting minibus added to my driving licence [12:00] bigcalm: but then you can't drink :P [12:00] davmor2: ever again? [12:01] bigcalm: no if you are driving the minibus [12:01] I thought drinking while driving a minibus was a requirement [12:02] bigcalm: just bribe me to drive it :D I already have the license and I don't drink :) [12:07] What shall I get my soon to be 36yo sister? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:08] a minibus! [12:09] o.O [12:09] christel: have you been on the gin? [12:11] I'm already on the wine [12:11] It's a very recent vitage [12:11] vintage [12:12] They are still grapes *munch* [12:12] bigcalm: nej. i had some milk earlier, does that count? [12:12] christel: "milk" eh? ;) [12:12] yus, ice-cold semi-skimmed cravendale, went perfectly with my pancakes for breakfast! [12:17] man how do you install ubuntu alone side windows and both OS's happy [12:19] hd5770: In what way do you get unhappy OS's? [12:19] hd5770: what version of windows? [12:20] win 7 i lose boot load for or the other [12:24] hd5770: For Win 7, all I did was to use Win 7 to resize the Win partition, and then boot with a liveUSB letting that partition the freespace & install with grub on the single drive [12:24] hd5770: what DJones said, Install win7, reduce it's partition size, then install Ubuntu into the free space, you will then see an ubuntu and windows listing in a grub menu just point to the one you want to run [12:27] Or, if you have 2 harddrives, use one for windows and the other for ubuntu. Saves faffing about with resizing partitions [12:27] Must admit, I can never bring myself to trust a linux installer to correctly shrink an NTFS partition without issues, I'd rather trust Windows (as a native format) to do that [12:28] As bigcalm said, use two drives where possible, just make sure you put grub on the right boot drive [12:30] I've never had a problem resizing an NTFS partition in Linux [12:33] I'm not saying I would have an issue, its not something I've tried, just a case using a native tool at the time, haven't needed to do it for a few years anyway [12:34] i have seen linux ruin a NTFS partition just by mounting it [12:51] But I've never seen an elephant fly [12:51] * bigcalm lunches [12:53] * DJones passes bigcalm a Disney's Dumbo video === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:25] damn i used ubuntu to do the resize [13:25] now i got bad blocks on my ssd [13:26] win7 loader is at /devb/sdg1 when i install grub there windows loader no longer works [13:34] how did it come to this? firefox regularly taking out my desktop for 15 mins due to disk trashing [13:34] and out of mem [14:22] hi android not connecting via usb can anyone help? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:54] gimp layer groups are broken to the point of being useless [14:54] since they merge down their contents and then blend then with one operation === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [16:02] GTX 550 Ti is not plug and play :/ [16:04] Double Click-ing makes 13.10 a Double-trouble O/S for Unity dash in Ubuntu.. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-13-10-Wants-Users-to-Double-Click-Everything-in-Unity-s-Dash-361544.shtml [16:04] leaves [16:05] hmm, uninformed reporting on the development version [16:05] AlanBell: Well that's never happened before [16:06] hey look, today this happened! Is this a bug, is it a new feature? We have no idea, lets hit the publish button. [16:37] alt+f2 is broken again too [16:37] if you press Enter too quickly after typing a command, a random other command will run [16:37] (well it seems random to me anyway) [16:46] best client to use for gmail talk [16:49] czajkowski: the Chrome extension [16:49] czajkowski: otherwise you won't be able to use the group chat bits [16:51] czajkowski: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hangouts/nckgahadagoaajjgafhacjanaoiihapd?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon [16:54] the chrome extension is catastrophically annoying [16:55] (at least on OSX) [16:55] eats cpu [16:55] its common in hangouts to share one window, xsensors, showing 98 degrees [16:56] what do you call the thing that used to be in Crunchbang that shows various info on the desktop background? [16:58] Conky, that's it [16:58] mgdm: an app that monitors all kinds of stats about your machine and puts it in a window [16:58] and/or your background [16:59] ah wait [16:59] you already know that [16:59] Yeah, I know what it is, I was asking its name [16:59] * MartijnVdS fails reading [16:59] hehe [16:59] * MartijnVdS will be going to the Spa GP \o/ [16:59] f1 [16:59] nice [17:15] I used to use gkrellm for sensors and other graphs [17:17] bah yeah I need it for group chats [17:18] surely you already had it installed? [17:19] MartijnVdS, considering how close i live to silverstone, and most of the uk motorsport headquarters, i should care more about f1 [17:23] boo This application is not supported on this computer. Installation has been disabled. [17:23] brb [17:25] * brobostigon is equally in proximity, but cares for c++ and controller programming, [17:28] interesting thing about north oxfordshire. [18:24] evening all [18:24] does anybody know their way around the grub rescue menu ? === derick_ is now known as Guest67528 [18:26] I moved some partitions around and now my Ubuntu won't boot any more :( [18:27] erm - reinstall grub from live cd [or use boot-rescue live]? [18:27] knightwise ^ [18:28] do I need the 12.04 live cd for that ? [18:28] any live cd with relevant version of grub [18:29] looking for one now, holdon [18:29] * SuperEngineer once resorted to using a copy of boot-rescue live cd... worked a treat] [18:30] but any relevant live cd with relevant grub [18:30] ok , got a linux mint live cd here [18:30] booting from it now [18:30] should do fine [18:31] Thing is , i'm on a mac (dual booting osx and Ubuntu) and I resized (and moved around some partitions . [18:31] and now my ubuntu partition no longer boots [18:31] ooooo [18:31] ok , i've booted up into the mint live cd [18:31] never done this on a Mac [18:32] shouldn't make a difference , it boots with REFIT first and then chainloads to grub [18:32] and its jst the grub part thats broken. [18:32] ok, but maybe wait for an answer from a mac user? [18:33] i've booted up into Linux Mint (live cd) .. now what do I do to reinstall grab [18:33] SuperEngineer: nono, not and issue , the issue at hand is a pure linux issue [18:33] if you say so.. [18:33] in which case... [18:33] open a terminal [18:33] .... [18:33] terminal open [18:34] sudo grub-install /dev/sda ... but is that ok on a mac? [18:35] yep , thats ok [18:35] cool! [18:35] i'll open up gparted first to see on what partion linux is installed [18:35] wise [18:35] its on sda3 [18:36] so /dev/sda it is [18:36] failed to get canonical path of /cow [18:36] surely you don't install grub to a partition? [18:36] path /boot/grub is not readable by grub on boot installation is impossible [18:37] I install grub on the / partition mostly [18:37] ermmm [18:37] no ? [18:37] need advice from others really, personally I wouldn't install it to partition [18:38] unless mac needs things that way? [18:38] the odd thing is , this used to work fine untill i did a resize with some partitions [18:38] anyone watching this and able to confirm/deny? [18:39] did the resize appear to go ok [18:39] yep , [18:39] in which case... [18:40] anyone watching this and able to confirm/deny install to disk v. install to partition [18:40] wel .. /sda3 is a disk right ? or a partition [18:40] for dual booting on a mac, you should install grub to a partition header [18:40] partition [18:40] i.e. to sdaX, not sda [18:40] I installed it to sda3 [18:40] directhex: thanks [18:45] I just used gparted to take a look at the partition and i remember it did give me an error that things could go pearshaped if you move the root partition [18:45] it also says there is a way to fix it , it just doesnt elaborate [18:50] what's a program that works exactly like make, but is more powerful? [18:50] specifically i need regular expression rule matching [18:54] ali1234: I like 'waf', in Python [18:54] as it's Python you can do what you want with regexes, i guess === marlinc is now known as marlinc|away [19:05] Hi guys, my CD drive wont open. Just comes up with 'Inappropriate ioctl for device'. Any ideas? [19:15] Goshawk: Hast tried it with the button that's presumably on it, or art using right-click/eject from the launcher? (Just trying to find out whether it's a pure software issue here) [19:17] Darael: Have tried both ways [19:17] Hmm. That *is* odd. [19:19] Oooh, hello [19:19] never had the MBA fan fire up before, until I started compiling GTK+ [19:20] Oh, GTK+... === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === marlinc|away is now known as marlinc === marlinc is now known as Marlinc [19:42] I appear to have lost the audio notification icon [19:42] How irritating [20:06] Recommendations of where to get SSL certs from ? [20:07] Cheap* :) [20:07] Personal site [20:07] startssl [20:08] they have a free tier [20:08] cheap enough :) [20:08] ? [20:09] https://www.startssl.com/ ? [20:09] Not worried about free, just don't want to spend £100 a year [20:09] that's the one [20:11] What's wrong with self-signed? ;) [20:11] Don't want friends / family to have to accept the old not verified [20:14] Get them to import the cert into their web browsers [20:14] hence startssl :) [20:14] Bah, too easy :P [20:14] A few registrars also give 1 year free SSL cert with a domain [20:14] * MartijnVdS uses gandi.net for all [20:16] I've just moved a domain to them, hadn't checked their site yet [20:22] Hmm, free for the first year when i transfer to gandi, can't remember them offering that when moving my other domain [20:28] Can I move certs from servers to servers easily enough? Never used certs properly [20:28] yeah, server to server is fine, as long as the hostname is the same [20:28] So basically I want to test on a local server and then move to a VPS when I get some more cash [20:28] yeah will be set up the same [20:29] Cool ta [20:29] np :) === RaycisCharles is now known as Amarand === Amarand is now known as GentileBen === marlinc is now known as marlinc|away === marlinc|away is now known as marlinc