[03:27] <Unit193> Pretty sure we don't need UTC since we're all in the same state...
[09:33] <Derath-Srvr> .
[09:33] <Unit193> Howdy, Derath-Srvr.
[09:33] <Derath-Srvr> Sup
[09:33] <Unit193> Humidity. :/   You?
[09:34] <Derath-Srvr> Not much here...
[12:24] <paultag> Howdy
[12:25] <Unit193> So much for sleep.
[12:46] <paultag> Unit193: I'm not in the same state anymore :(
[12:46] <paultag> Unit193: also, see Indiana
[12:46] <yano> :o
[12:46] <paultag> I am, however, in the same timezone
[12:46] <yano> then shouldn't you be in #ubuntu-us-in? :-P
[12:47] <paultag> I'm in MA
[12:47] <yano> i find the time zone thing more shocking
[12:47] <yano> oh, nvm
[12:47] <paultag> I was just talking about Indiana's Timezones
[12:47] <paultag> they have 5
[12:47] <dzho> it isn't even funny
[12:48] <paultag> America/Indiana/Indianapolis America/Indiana/Winamac America/Indiana/Petersburg America/Indiana/Vincennes America/Indiana/Marengo America/Indiana/Vevay America/Indiana/Knox America/Indiana/Tell_City
[12:48] <paultag> Sorry, more than 5
[12:48] <paultag> 8
[12:48] <dzho> http://www.metafilter.com/75222/Time-zones
[12:48] <paultag> there are also states that split over a timezone
[12:48] <paultag> a bunch, in fact
[12:49] <dzho> http://www.mp3lyrics.org/n/negativland/time-zones/
[12:49] <dzho> That's ridiculous
[12:49] <paultag> there are more in Indiana if you count other timezones
[12:49] <paultag> some are on Chicago time
[12:49] <dzho> so, here's the thing
[12:50] <dzho> for a long time, the northwesternmost and southwesternmost counties were on Central Time.
[12:50] <dzho> and they would switch for DST
[12:50] <dzho> but the bulk of the state wouldn't switch
[12:51] <dzho> more recently, I think they all decided to get on the DST bandwagon, and go with Central
[12:51] <paultag> well
[12:51] <paultag> sorta
[12:51] <dzho> so, you've got your before and after for 3 different areas of the state
[12:51] <paultag> the time at which they change to DST is what gives it all the timezones
[12:52] <paultag> since the US mandates they must be whole hours in the range of EST → PST or alaskan or whatever
[12:52] <paultag> so no 1:30
[12:53] <dzho> it has it's own WP article, heh
[12:53] <paultag> Hahaha
[12:53] <paultag> not shocking
[12:53] <paultag> it's a massive mess
[12:53] <paultag> I had to learn about it for OpenStates
[12:54] <paultag> since i wrote the events subsystem
[12:54] <dzho> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indiana
[12:55] <dzho> I used to move back and forth between the red and the yellow zones
[12:55] <dzho> so, when I'd call back and forth between the two it was always a mess trying to figure out if it was too later or too early or whatever.
[12:56] <dzho> for business it's not so bad, you just try to call in the middle of the day, but this was usually personal cars, so after work, before bedtime, avoiding suppertime, etc.
[12:56] <dzho> s/personal cars/personal calls/
[12:56] <paultag> hahaha
[12:56] <paultag> yowza
[12:57] <dzho> with sms I'm sure it's all much easier now.
[12:57] <dzho> also, looks like I got it backwards.
[12:57] <dzho> bulk of the state went with Eastern time, not Central.
[12:57] <dzho> and the southeast is still Central
[12:58] <paultag> Ohio should go central and fuck up Indiana
[12:58] <dzho> this is like Gregorian vs Julian time:  even though they've switched, now, for historical stuff you still need to know the vagaries of this to know what time a particular thing happened in the past.
[12:59] <dzho> can you imagine Cleveland, in the far east of the state, on the same time zone as Iowa?
[12:59] <paultag> clearly no :)
[12:59] <dzho> it's like Rutgers joining the Big Ten--it's just unnatural!
[12:59] <paultag> :D
[12:59] <paultag> dzho: but yeah, historical calendars are so bad
[12:59] <paultag> leap months
[13:00] <paultag> missing years
[13:00] <dzho> even leap years now are funny--exceptions to exceptions to exceptions
[13:00] <paultag> aye!
[13:00] <dzho> 2000 was a case in point, iirc
[13:01] <dzho> ended on a 4, so it was.  except it was divisible by 100, so it wasn't, except it was divisible by 1000 so it was.  or something like that
[13:01] <dzho> s/ended on/divisible by/
[13:01]  * paultag giggles
[13:57] <skellat> dzho: Cleveland is the "far east" of the state?  I think Ashtabula let alone Mentor or Painesville is even further east than them.
[14:38]  * dzho rolls eyes
[14:40] <Unit193> He wasn't thinking at the very very tiny edge...
[14:44] <dzho> ... especially since Greater Cleveland extends into Lake County, which leaves us one county away from the border, anyway.
[14:44] <dzho> and, you know, we're talking about a counterfactual and using this merely as an illustrative example.
[14:45] <dzho> maybe there's a more northeasternmost major Ohio city with which paultag is familiar that I've somehow missed because of a rift in spacetime.
[14:45] <paultag> I do really miss Cleveland.
[14:46] <Unit193> Suuuure, blame the rift...
[14:46] <paultag> It's one of the better things about the USA.
[14:46] <dzho> what in particular do you miss, paultag?
[14:46]  * dzho has only passing experience of Cleveland
[14:47] <paultag> dzho: There's a world-class orchestra with the most ornate hall, an iron chef with his flagship restaurant, the rock and roll hall of fame and an outstanding music scene
[14:47] <paultag> cost of living is low, the most amazing woods around the watershed
[14:47] <paultag> the people are so genuine
[14:48] <paultag> and melt
[14:48] <paultag> sweet jesus melt
[14:49] <dzho> melt?
[14:49] <paultag> dzho: http://meltbarandgrilled.com/
[14:50] <dzho> food.  now we're talking
[14:50] <dzho> oh, look, four locations
[14:50] <paultag> whoh wtf
[14:50] <paultag> wait, what?!
[14:50] <paultag> holy shit
[14:50] <paultag> independence and mentor
[14:50] <paultag> (mennor)
[14:51] <paultag> the west side melt is my jam
[19:22] <Unit193> jenni: You decided to come back.
[19:24] <jenni> Unit193: I have gone back to school.