[05:52] <Squirm> morning
[06:02] <trender> yo
[06:49] <Kilos> morning all
[06:52] <nlsthzn> good morning uncle Kilos 
[06:53] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[07:45] <charl> good morning
[07:45] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:45]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:48] <Kilos> hi charl 
[07:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:05] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:05] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[10:50] <Kilos> hi fred2 
[10:50] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu_za
[10:51] <Kilos> hi Xethron tonberryE352 
[11:34] <Xethron> hi Kilos 
[11:39] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[11:39] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[11:40] <psyatw> they took away all my rights to install software at work, I can't even install virtualbox now
[11:40] <psyatw> and this is going to be policy for all new installations, I am afraid
[11:40] <Kilos> aw
[11:41] <Kilos> only home irc then
[11:41] <psyatw> but I still managed to install pidgin
[11:41] <psyatw> yeah
[11:41] <Kilos> the monkey also had probs
[11:41] <psyatw> I would prefer to use irssi
[11:41] <psyatw> but I don't understand how to configure irssi for windows
[11:41] <Kilos> pidgin irc isnt lekker
[11:41] <Kilos> i closed it there and use xchat
[11:41] <psyatw> I know
[11:42] <Kilos> but no one tells me what i may install luckily
[11:42] <Kilos> but any contact is better than no contact
[11:43] <tonberryE352> if I could not pick and choose my software i would never get any work done
[11:45] <Kilos> bosses
[11:45] <Kilos> ai!
[11:45] <Kilos> have power and like to let everyone know
[11:46] <Kilos> hi JoTraGo1 
[11:46] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:47] <JoTraGo1> Greeetings from Cape Twon
[11:47] <JoTraGo1> Town
[11:47] <Kilos> greeting from pta
[11:47] <Kilos> i dont do that caps thing
[11:47] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:47] <charl> hi JoTraGo1 
[11:47] <charl> hi psyatw 
[11:48] <JoTraGo1> Just trying to figure out IRC setup in Thunderbird. Think I've got it now
[11:48] <charl> hi tonberryE352 
[11:48] <Kilos> ya looks like
[11:48] <Kilos> most here use irc clients
[11:48] <psyatw> hi charl
[11:49] <charl> psyatw: you can get a cheap VPS from a company like Hetzner
[11:49] <Kilos> what OS are you using JoTraGo1 
[11:49] <charl> then you can irc from a vps using irssi
[11:49] <psyatw> hi tonberryE352
[11:49] <JoTraGo1> Ubuntu 1204
[11:49] <charl> also hides your IP address so nobody knows where you work :)
[11:49] <charl> good for privacy and such
[11:49] <Kilos> same as me
[11:49] <Kilos> cool
[11:49] <charl> and on the local network it just looks like ssh traffic so nobody knows
[11:49] <tonberryE352> did someone say cheap vps?
[11:49] <psyatw> charl, I could get a cheap VPS at home too, once I set up a machine there :)
[11:49] <tonberryE352> oh and hi
[11:50] <psyatw> but yeah, I will consider it
[11:50] <charl> psyatw: it is possible but for the price of getting a vps in a data centre you can hardly afford the electricity
[11:50] <charl> and then added hardware costs with central management etc
[11:50] <JoTraGo1> Yep, I finally decided to make the change permanent and ditched Windoze
[11:50] <charl> tonberryE352: yes?
[11:50] <Kilos> well done JoTraGo1 
[11:50] <psyatw> I have blazing fast internet at home, I am planning to use ARM64 hardware once it becomes available
[11:50] <JoTraGo1> But I run Win xp, 7, & 2008 in Virtualboxes for work related stuff
[11:50] <Kilos> now you just need to stay here all the time
[11:51] <tonberryE352> not as cheap as I would like...
[11:51] <Kilos> oh jot you can use xchat in the repos
[11:51] <psyatw> charl, I will make a comparison to see if the VPS still ends up being cheaper
[11:51] <Kilos> good client
[11:51] <charl> tonberryE352: what do you mean?
[11:51] <psyatw> hi JoTraGo1
[11:51] <JoTraGo1> Now that I have got the chat's set up I'll do that.
[11:52] <Kilos> you know cli hey?
[11:52] <Kilos> terminal
[11:52] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install xchat
[11:52] <charl> psyatw: i use a vps but then i also use it for mail etc, incoming smtp is often blocked by cable companies
[11:52] <tonberryE352> either I'm looking at the wrong thing or those are a bit pricey for just irc bouncing...
[11:52] <JoTraGo1> A bit, prefer to use guis where I can, 
[11:52] <JoTraGo1> Hi psyatw
[11:53] <charl> tonberryE352: sorry but you're being vague, what are you looking at?
[11:53] <Kilos> then you actually need to install synaptic
[11:53] <Kilos> it shows nicelt what is installed and whats available
[11:53] <tonberryE352> looking at the Hetzner site
[11:53] <JoTraGo1> Got it already, much prefer it to USC better control, and I can see where stuff gets installed
[11:54] <Kilos> press ctrl+alt+t and terminal will open
[11:54] <charl> tonberryE352: not sure if you are in south africa but if you are, everything will look expensive once it's converted to rands :P
[11:54] <charl> right now, in any case
[11:54] <Kilos> i find synaptic better that sfc
[11:55] <Kilos> but terminal installs show you the whole setup biz
[11:56] <Kilos> also does updates/upgrades lekker
[11:56] <tonberryE352> I'm in south africa. I was hoping by cheap you meant "can compete with overseas vps"
[11:57] <charl> overseas vps? it's in germany
[11:57] <tonberryE352> oh, sneaky .co.za domains...
[11:57] <charl> i pay 7,90 euro per month for the cheapest vps package
[11:58] <JoTraGo1> Gotta run, good to meet you guys. CUL8R
[11:58] <Kilos> ok chow
[11:58] <charl> if i use google to convert it i get 104 zar
[11:58] <tonberryE352> ok that is cheap
[11:58] <charl> not sure if that is considered cheap in .za or not
[11:59] <charl> used to be cheaper at 10 zar to the euro
[11:59] <tonberryE352> the cheapest vps on hetzner.co.za is almosr R900 per month
[11:59] <tonberryE352> or I am blind
[11:59] <charl> bah that is ridiculous who are they kidding
[12:00] <charl> that's like 68 euro per month, that is more than what i pay for my overpriced cable connection
[12:01] <charl> looked on the hetzner.co.za site, according to me they don't have a vps at all?
[12:02] <charl> only dedicated servers
[12:02] <tonberryE352> ok fine i was looking under dedicated servers
[12:02] <tonberryE352> So not entirely the same thing
[12:02] <tonberryE352> Depending on how evil they are...
[12:02] <charl> nah you definitely don't want to go that route, unless you have serious hosting needs
[12:02] <charl> dedicated servers are expensive
[12:03] <charl> this is the one i use: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produkte_vserver/vq7
[12:04] <tonberryE352> ok that is not bad
[12:05] <tonberryE352> But ssh at 300+ms pings is no fun.
[12:06] <charl> 300ms pings to europe?
[12:06] <charl> wow
[12:06] <charl> how is it that high?
[12:07] <tonberryE352> Ok seems to be about 220ms to england
[12:08] <tonberryE352> Would be about 300 if I am using 3g instead of nice university internet
[12:10] <charl> 3g has very high latency indeed
[12:10] <charl> but there was a technical exlanation for it
[12:10] <charl> something about broadcasting to multiple towers
[12:10] <charl> for me it's about 20ms from work, 30ms from home, so that doesn't matter much
[12:10] <charl> 200ms is quite high latency though
[12:14] <tonberryE352> distance is an issue
[12:24] <charl> i know what you mean, i really feel the lag when i open an american website
[12:24] <charl> or a japanese website
[12:24] <charl> lots of big sites have a cdn though then it doesn't matter
[12:25] <Kilos> wow remote closed the socket
[12:25] <Kilos> stupid remote
[12:26] <Kilos> Guest92539, kubuntu user?
[12:27] <Guest92539> Yes, why?
[12:28] <Kilos> just wondered
[12:28] <Kilos> welcome to our south african help channel
[12:29] <Guest92539> :)
[12:29] <Guest92539> In fact I joined here more interested in your bot.
[12:30] <Kilos> if you one of the clever guys you can always hang here and help noobs
[12:30] <Kilos> oh
[12:30] <Kilos> you can install it by you
[12:30] <Kilos> ibid in the repos\
[12:30] <Kilos> written in python
[12:31] <Kilos> makes lekker cyber coffee
[12:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:31]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:31] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[12:31] <Maaz> charl: Yessir
[12:31] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[12:31] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[12:31] <Guest92539> I am not very clever, I am still a noob for Linux issues.
[12:32] <Kilos> then this is the best help channel going
[12:32] <tonberryE352> Maaz, larger
[12:32] <Maaz> tonberryE352: Excuse me?
[12:32] <tonberryE352> was worth a try
[12:32] <Kilos> hehe
[12:32] <Kilos> wait tonberryE352 
[12:33] <Kilos> Maaz, larger
[12:33] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Kilos
[12:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and charl!
[12:35] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[12:35] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[12:36] <charl> Maaz: thanks !!
[12:36] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[13:12] <keanoeted> hello there
[13:13] <keanoeted> I have a HP Proliant ML330 G3 server and would like to what version of server software would suit it? 
[13:15] <keanoeted> would it be 10.04?  I have looked at the HP website where there are recomendations for other severs (most say 10.04 and 12.04), but mine is not listed.
[13:31] <Kilos> eish
[13:31] <Kilos> i missed him
[14:05] <Kilos> you okes must watch for strangers when im quiet
[14:05] <Kilos> like you charl 
[14:05] <Kilos> that guy coulda gone with 12.04 server
[14:08] <charl> sorry
[14:08] <charl> i was actually busy programming :)
[14:08] <Kilos> ok
[14:08] <charl> and been paying attention to other channels
[14:08] <Kilos> np
[14:08] <Kilos> i was reading on the bed
[14:08] <Kilos> cold in here
[14:09] <charl> tomorrow they predict 30 degrees here
[14:09] <charl> i will be coming to work in a t-shirt
[14:09] <Kilos> lekker
[14:09] <Kilos> swops?
[14:09] <charl> not so lecker for me actually
[14:09] <charl> lol yeah sure :)
[14:09] <Kilos> today is 20°c here
[14:09] <charl> oh that's not so bad
[14:10] <Kilos> house stays cold man
[14:10] <charl> yeah that's true
[14:10] <Kilos> im no eskimo
[14:10] <charl> especially if it drops to 0 in the night
[14:10] <Kilos> yip
[14:16] <Kilos> intel vs arm for mobile
[14:16] <Kilos> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/analyst-intel-processors-outperform-arm/
[14:44] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[14:44] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[14:48] <Symmetria> lo all
[14:49] <Symmetria> *sigh*
[14:49] <Symmetria> in the next 32 days, I get 18 hours actually at home 
[14:49] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[14:49] <Kilos> ouch
[14:49] <Symmetria> zambia tomorrow morning at 5:30am, back to za on saturday evening, to bloemfontein on sunday morning, to nairobi the saturday after straight from bloemfontein, then from nairobi to malindi, then back home 
[14:50] <Kilos> whew
[14:53] <Kilos> well one has to pay the price if you chase the big bucks
[17:02] <magespawn> evening all
[17:02] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:03] <magespawn> Kilos: is the meeting still on?
[17:03] <Kilos> nope we forgot
[17:03] <Kilos> didnt even start
[17:04] <magespawn> we usually start at 19:30, don't we?
[17:13] <Kilos> ya
[17:13] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:13] <Kilos> im looking wrong time
[17:17] <Kilos> Vince-0, you chairing?
[17:17] <Kilos> where is kbmonkey 
[17:18] <Kilos> sorry magespawn not a good head day
[17:19] <Kilos> nuvolari, meeting in 10
[17:19] <Kilos> inetpro, you too
[17:20] <Kilos> Maaz, and you
[17:20] <Maaz> Yes man Kilos I am always here
[17:23] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:23] <nlsthzn> so I hear it was a nice long week-end in ZA land?
[17:23] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos
[17:24] <Kilos> peeps are supposed to be here for monthly meeting but i forgot to mail a reminder
[17:24] <nlsthzn> meeting today?
[17:24] <Kilos> ya supposed to be
[17:25] <nlsthzn> you have spoiled us all uncle Kilos, if you don't remind us every day for a week before we will never have a meeting again
[17:25] <Kilos> sorry man
[17:26] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:26] <Kilos> hehe
[17:27] <nlsthzn> well, I assume then no meeting...
[17:27] <nlsthzn> I am at work so will be on and off I guess
[17:27] <Kilos> i dunno even where Vince-0 is
[17:28] <nuvolari> :O just got home
[17:28] <nuvolari> who's chairing?
[17:28] <Kilos> eish
[17:28] <Kilos> ?
[17:28] <Kilos> supposed to be Vince-0 
[17:28] <Kilos> but i get no reply
[17:29] <nuvolari> meh, think we should have a rule about public holidays on a monday
[17:29] <nlsthzn> more of them?
[17:29] <nuvolari> I think we should see who's here for the meeting, and if there's aenough I'll chair
[17:29] <nuvolari> *enough
[17:30] <nuvolari> otherwise IMO it would be better to postpone
[17:31] <nuvolari> all in favour of my suggestion say aeye
[17:32] <Kilos> postpone
[17:32] <nuvolari> lol, nlsthzn more rules or more public holidays on mondays?
[17:32] <Kilos> head sore need to sleep
[17:32] <nlsthzn> postpone the meeting
[17:32] <nuvolari> likewise, had to sleep a headache off this afternoon, but it's returning
[17:32] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: more public holidays on Mondays :p
[17:32] <nuvolari> +1
[17:33] <nuvolari> nlsthzn for president!
[17:33] <Kilos> hehe
[17:33] <nlsthzn> :D
[17:33]  * Kilos postpones this months meeting
[17:33] <Kilos> will decide tomorrow till when
[17:34] <Kilos> so you guys better work out a date for me
[17:34] <nuvolari> should we summon maaz to make the decision official?
[17:34] <Kilos> you can nuvolari 
[17:34] <nuvolari> ok
[17:35] <Kilos> due to lack of reminders
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:35]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Decision to postpone meeting falling on a public holiday
[17:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Decision to postpone meeting falling on a public holiday
[17:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:36] <Maaz> nuvolari: Alrighty
[17:36] <Kilos> no fly , no goosie and min others
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[17:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed As discussed and witnessed by the idlers currently in the channel, we decided that it would be better to postpone the meeting due to a lack of attendance most probably caused by the fact of a public holiday on Meeting night.
[17:38] <Maaz> Agreed: As discussed and witnessed by the idlers currently in the channel, we decided that it would be better to postpone the meeting due to a lack of attendance most probably caused by the fact of a public holiday on Meeting night
[17:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Next available Monday is on June 24th, 2013
[17:39] <Maaz> Agreed: Next available Monday is on June 24th, 2013
[17:40] <nuvolari> ok,
[17:40] <nuvolari> not sure that I need to add any info
[17:40] <Kilos> no well just advertise nuvolari 
[17:41] <Kilos> i forgot reminders sorry
[17:41] <nuvolari> ok, closing meeting 
[17:41] <nuvolari> Kilos: I don't think that's any reason for the lack of attendance, I blame the public holiday
[17:41] <nuvolari> caught most of us offguard
[17:42] <nuvolari> I didn't know about it until Thursday :P
[17:42] <Kilos> ya blame the holiday
[17:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[17:42] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[17:42] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-17-17-35-25.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-17-17-35-25.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-17-17-35-25.html
[17:42] <Kilos> ty nuvolari 
[17:42] <Kilos> i go sleep now
[17:42] <nuvolari> no problem oom kilos
[17:42] <nuvolari> have a nice evening
[17:42] <nuvolari> and sleep well
[17:42] <nuvolari> I hope you have a good rest
[17:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[17:47] <nlsthzn> :( I missed the non-meeting
[17:48] <nuvolari> aw. sorry nlsthzn, but it's the thought that counts...?
[17:48] <nlsthzn> OK then :)
[17:48] <nuvolari> We still love you
[17:48] <nuvolari> :P
[17:48] <nlsthzn> :D thanks
[17:48] <magespawn> hey nuvolari nlsthzn 
[17:48] <nlsthzn> alo magespawn
[17:48] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn 
[17:48] <nuvolari> how are you?
[17:49]  * nlsthzn goes to fill in log sheet quickly... night shift ftl
[17:49] <magespawn> good and you?
[17:49] <nuvolari> Good thanks! Had a good break today :>
[17:50] <magespawn> public holidays are good for that
[17:50] <nuvolari> yeah, but bad for meetings :P
[17:52] <magespawn> yes sorry about that i kinda stirred the bees nest on that one
[17:53] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:53]  * inetpro missed something?
[17:53] <inetpro> good evening
[17:53] <magespawn> a non-meeting
[17:54] <magespawn>  good evening by the by
[17:57] <inetpro> does that mean we have a meeting next week?
[17:57] <inetpro> is it even worth it?
[17:57] <inetpro> why not just skip until next month?
[17:59] <inetpro> last meeting feels like it was just yesterday
[17:59] <nlsthzn> skip until next year ... dunno...
[17:59] <magespawn> the talk was to discuss it tomorrow
[18:00] <inetpro> magespawn: ok
[18:00] <inetpro> nlsthzn: how's the weather up north?
[18:00] <nlsthzn> as long as everyone is reminded we can have it any day... as we see without reminding we wont have it :p
[18:00] <nlsthzn> inetpro: hot, do you guys need some heat?
[18:00] <inetpro> nlsthzn: true
[18:01] <inetpro> a bit of warmth could help
[18:01] <inetpro> then again, the cold is needed as well to kill all the bugs
[18:02] <nlsthzn> oh if I send enough the bugs will still go down :p
[18:05]  * nlsthzn is looking at http://www.oreillyschool.com/
[18:07] <magespawn> nlsthzn: how much do they charge?
[18:09] <nlsthzn> they seem expensive... a typical linux admin certificate goes for about $1500.00
[18:11] <nlsthzn> seems a good way in USA to get a start on a degree... the certificate by itself doesn't hold any kind of recognition (not that I want or need that... this would be more for my own understanding and skills :p)
[18:12]  * nlsthzn should stop throwing money at problems where motivation is the problem >.<
[18:12] <nlsthzn> heads up if anyone here is in the mood to do some saucy testing - http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/kicking-off-saucy-testing-with-cadence-week-1/379
[18:14] <magespawn> i saw some of the others and $1500 is not too bad if i recall correctly, but way too much for me at the moment
[18:50] <nlsthzn> $2000 for python...
[18:55] <magespawn> yeah, is it an real qualification though?
[19:04] <nlsthzn> magespawn:it gives credit towards some uni courses in USA... other than that I suspect its most useful to get the skills... not sure the paper is worth much
[19:05] <magespawn> ah well then i will be sticking with the free stuff for now
[21:49] <magespawn> good night all
[21:49] <nlsthzn> night