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smartboyhwhey madeinkobaia 03:51
madeinkobaiasmartboyhw: Hey you back ! How are you ?03:52
smartboyhwmadeinkobaia, great:)03:53
* smartboyhw needs to go for lunch and piano lesson...03:53
madeinkobaiaFine, by my side great too.03:53
madeinkobaiasmartboyhw: Ok, see you later : )03:54
OvenWerkszequence: smartboyhw etc, The extra software installers will not be in the menus for other DEs, just our own ISO. This is because lubuntu and kubuntu (and maybe soon xubuntu) do not install USC and so the menu items do not work.04:28
OvenWerksIf we want something like that, we need to come up with a script kind of installer that doesn't drag in extra libs that we can ship with the menu package.04:30
OvenWerksBut for now, I will leave the desktop files for these in our default settings package so they only show up in our ISO.04:31
OvenWerksWe can decide later if we want to include USC as part of all our DE metas or not. I guess if we are including our xfce desktop as default USC will be there anyway.04:32
* OvenWerks is up to snapshot release d a few minutes ago.04:33
OvenWerksAnd if the default is there it's settings and therefore the extra launchers... so the extra software stuff will work on anything installed on top of our ISO.04:38
OvenWerksThe extra SW stuff will not even be visible for those loading our metas on top of another install though.04:39
OvenWerksThat would mean that our menu meta should work on non-ubuntu and even non-debian based distros so long as they have dpkg04:46
zequenceOvenWerks: interesting about the MB05:56
Noskcaj10OvenWerks, folding@home is pro project run by stanford university. it's finds cures for cancer, alzheimers, parkinsons, etc.05:58
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* smartboyhw just saw a commit by zequence 10:07
zequencea pretty stupid commit in fact10:11
cubhaha what why?10:11
zequenceone that erases the changes done by my previous commit10:11
smartboyhwzequence, oh. You got things wrong?10:11
zequenceyes, but that is only to be expected as I do changes to packages I don't really know much about :P10:12
zequencesometimes you do learn a lot by doing mistakes, luckily10:13
smartboyhwzequence, like me:P10:13
zequencecub: madeinkobaia started working on a new social site banner to overcome the problem with the youtube banner cropping, so that is why it is taking longer than expected10:16
zequencebut, we don't really need it right away anyway10:17
cubNot yet anyhow10:17
zequenceI was thinking of doing some tutorial videos myself soon10:17
zequencewe should start a blueprint for that, so we don't do the same videos twice10:17
cubI was too, but was shipped over to Gothenburg for the weekend without time or laptop. :P10:17
zequenceah, where are you at?10:18
zequenceI live quite close to Slottsskogen10:18
cubNäset. A relative to my girlfriend graduated10:18
zequenceI see10:18
smartboyhwOh two contributors living in Sweden?10:18
cubYup, I live in Stockholm10:19
smartboyhwWe really have many Swedishs and Belgians and Finnishs.....10:19
smartboyhw:P10:19
cubIt's because of our long and cold winters, we stay inside fiddling with out computers10:19
zequenceIn HK they might do that during summer to escape the burning heat outside10:20
smartboyhwI'm sweating indoors here already...10:20
cubHmm we were quite close to where you live then (checking out google maps)10:20
smartboyhwWaiting for the kde-workspace build to finish...10:21
cubHas anyone tried out US with xmonad?10:21
zequencenever heard of it10:21
smartboyhwWhat's xmonad!?10:22
cubhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmonad10:22
cubit tiles windows10:22
cuba few months back I was looking into using to automatically set up all my different windows depending on whether I was to record audio, edit videos or office work10:23
cubbut I never really put my head into it, but still would like to investigate10:23
cubyou could run it by itself or on top of xfce10:23
smartboyhwcub, use a VM :P10:24
cubit is a VM10:24
cubwait, a WM10:24
zequencethe only time when I use windows heavily is when using Ardour, using the mixer and all sorts of plugins10:24
smartboyhwcub, I mean use a virtual machine to test Xmonad.10:24
zequencebut, I never keep stuff open if I don't actively control it10:25
* smartboyhw used Ubuntu due to Windows 8 being absolute crap10:25
cubyeah, I started out running it on my eee pc10:25
zequenceI usually maximize windows, or semi-maximize (over either half of the side of the screen)10:25
cubzequence, exactly. I would be nice to split the different windows between my laptop and external screen10:25
cubwithout dragging them around myself. Sure, it's not that much work but I was bored.10:26
zequenceThere is a way to have applications open in a specific screen10:26
zequenceon specific workspaces even10:26
zequencebut, I've stopped bothering witht hat10:27
zequenceI use two workspaces at the most10:27
cubsame here10:27
cubbut usually that's only on my work pc, home laptop I rarely use more than one workspace10:28
zequenceI use my 42 inch TV as monitor, so I also stopped using dual monitoring10:28
zequenceotherwise, dual monitors is pretty useful10:29
zequenceespecially when working with a program like ardour10:29
cubyeah10:29
cubit would be sweet to be able to break out windows in Kdenlive as well, but it's not (yet)10:30
zequencemy exam, and any that would have followed were postponed from Friday to earliest, 30th of July, so it seems like I'll have a bit more time than I thought for US development14:09
smartboyhwzequence, why?14:10
smartboyhwI mean the reason of the delay...14:10
* smartboyhw is leaving from 10th to 30th July, IIRC.14:10
zequenceschool stuff kind of comes to a helt during July14:11
zequenceeveyone's on vacation14:11
smartboyhwzequence, yeah.14:11
zequenceI'm thinking we should reorganize our blueprints14:12
zequencenot sure we really need to have Ubuntu blueprints at all. We could just have everything within the Ubuntu Studio project14:13
zequencemaybe only keep some simple blueprints for stuff that is urgent to fix for a specific release14:13
zequenceOvenWerks: What do you think?14:13
smartboyhwzequence, +1 from me...14:13
smartboyhwNot sure for OvenWerks 14:13
zequencemost of what we do is not release specific anyway14:13
zequenceit just gets done when it gets done14:14
zequenceI could try simplifying things too14:14
zequenceJust to clarify, what I meant is this: we keep blueprints within the "Ubuntu" project at a bare minimum, while try to keep as much of our blueprints within the "Ubuntu Studio" project14:20
zequence..and also by doing that, we could try minimizing the amount of blueprints overall14:38
smartboyhwzequence, I certainly want minimization...14:42
smartboyhwIt's too damn messy...14:42
madeinkobaiaHi all : )19:09
madeinkobaiaIf anybody feel at least a little bit concerned by our "look & feel" I invite you to take a look on a new banner project for our social networks.19:15
holsteinour? like, ubuntustudio19:15
holsteinfor facebook? etc?19:15
holsteinwho has access to them?19:15
madeinkobaiaHum I am not the art lead for another distro, I think.19:16
holstein?19:16
holsteinif you drop a link here to some art, im sure some folks will take a look19:18
madeinkobaiaHi holstein, as art lead for us (ubuntu studio) I work now on a improved version of the previous social network banner (who was done by me, too ;p)19:18
madeinkobaiaHer is the link for g+ : 19:19
madeinkobaiahttps://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts19:19
madeinkobaiaAnd on YouTube : http://www.youtube.com/user/madeinkobaia19:19
holsteinare you the admin for the sites?19:19
madeinkobaiaI making tests on my own profile for the moment.19:19
holsteinso, are you the admin?19:20
madeinkobaiaIndeed I am admin for this sites too19:20
holsteincool19:20
holsteini know, i personally trust your judgment19:20
madeinkobaiaFeel free to tell me what you think, its a the "beta" release, I will change some details again.19:22
holsteini think there was some talk about the slogan19:22
holsteinits fine19:22
holsteini like it.. 19:22
holsteini see a registered trademark.. is it?19:23
holsteinanyways.. looks good19:23
madeinkobaiaThanks : ) It was really tricky to found the good proportion, as g+ / youtube have completly changed their display appearance. So it was the time to update our banners.19:23
madeinkobaiaYes the trademark was on the previous versions, and we decided to keep it. Now is it really important..I don't know.19:25
madeinkobaiaholstein: About my introspection "If anybody feel at least a little bit concerned by our "look & feel"..." its because its the 3rd time I add a link to the banners without any answers, glad to have your opinion.19:27
madeinkobaiaAbout "my introduction" I mean ; )19:28
OvenWerksmadeinkobaia: holstein, I think the TM has to be there because of the word "Ubuntu" if nothing else.20:41
cubmadeinkobaia, could you add me to be able to see the new G+ banner?20:42
OvenWerksLooks good by the way. I don't normally look at "social" sites so I haven't been watching the progress :)20:42
madeinkobaiacub : it is not finish , the link : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts20:42
cubyes, but I'm not allowed to see it: "Zak hasn't shared anything with you.20:43
cubPeople are more likely to share with you if you add them to your circles."20:43
madeinkobaiaHi OwenWerks :)20:43
OvenWerkscub: I don't think you need to be added to see the banner... unless I am missing something. I saw a banner on both links.20:43
OvenWerksHi20:43
madeinkobaiacub : its my banner, normally you can see it20:43
cubhm google thinks I should not see it20:44
madeinkobaiacub : maybe the link is not good, try this one : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts/p/pub20:45
madeinkobaiaOwenWerks : do you see it ?20:45
OvenWerksmadeinkobaia: we are looking at adding different DEs as you know. I was wondering how hard it would be to have a logo that combines the DE with ours. Like the KDE gear with the top open like a lid and ubuntustudio dropping in or something... as an example.20:46
cubthe new link redirects me to an empty page20:46
cuboh well, PGP is against me tonight as well. :D20:46
madeinkobaiaOwenWerks : Great idea to combine, no problems for create something in that spirit.20:46
OvenWerksnot at that link the first one worked though20:46
OvenWerkshttps://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts worked for me. At first it came up empty, but then the banner came later.20:48
OvenWerksAlso maybe try to scroll up.20:49
OvenWerksYou may be below the banner20:49
madeinkobaiaOwenWerks : Yep, without scroll you don't see nothing of course ;p20:50
* cub is stupid20:50
cubyes, I'm not used to scrolling upwards on a new page.20:51
OvenWerksI had to look at it more than once too...20:52
OvenWerksmadeinkobaia: I was thinking for backgrounds more than anything. I felt it would be good to recognise the effort the DE put into things and to remind the user that desktop support should still rest with the DE people :)20:53
madeinkobaiaOwenWerks : Ok, the better thing should be, if you want, to send a mail with the details about the project and what should the graphics for that.20:56
OvenWerksI will try to do some rough (really rough) drafts of what I mean... 20:59
madeinkobaiaOwenWerks : Great : )21:00
cubMaybe you have already discussed this, but the banners say "Linux for creative humans", not to be picky (but others might be so) shouldn't it say "GNU/Linux"?21:02
zequenceIt would be too complicated for a slogan21:04
zequencepeople who know what it means, will know what it means21:04
OvenWerksmost don't21:04
zequencepeople who don't will know if they get interested enough21:04
zequenceit's good to put GNU/Linux stuff in "about" pages and so on21:05
madeinkobaiacub : In the the popular way to think Linux is enough. Now of course for be straight is should be GNU/Linux or better Gnu's Not Unix....well...you know21:05
cubor the other way around. People who know what it means might argue about it and people who don't just read linux21:05
OvenWerksMost people are still go "linux?" and are just getting that there is something other than win/osx available21:05
zequencea slogan is more towards the poetic and should focus on that. technically, it is not wrong to say Linux, as that is what many people do21:06
madeinkobaia^ agree21:06
cubI agree too, but just stumble across a wild discussion about it yesterday so it was fresh in my mind21:06
OvenWerkspeople who know what it means install Arch21:06
cub"linux is just the kernel!!!" and so on..21:06
zequencehttp://ubuntustudio.org/about-ubuntustudio/21:06
OvenWerks:)21:07
zequence"Ubuntu Studio is the most widely used multimedia orientated GNU/Linux distribution in the world"21:07
cubyes, I checked there first21:07
OvenWerkszequence: it would sure be nice ti have an ISO to be able to install our metas off of. Downloading the metas for the fourth or more times. :P21:09
OvenWerksI guess if we had an alt ISO that would work.21:11
zequenceOvenWerks: It's not too difficult to set up a local repo21:16
zequenceI did that just a couple of days ago21:16
zequencelet me find the link21:16
zequencehttp://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/HowTo/TrivialRepository21:17
zequenceactually, haven't tested on Ubuntu yet21:17
zequencebut should work just the same21:18
zequenceI've started to keep /usr/local on a separate partition21:19
zequenceand put a lot of non-distro or release specific stuff there21:19
zequencemultiple distros use the same /usr/local21:20
zequenceshould work for the menu, I think21:20
OvenWerksTo test the menu I need to install our sw. I have thought I had it working then install another meta and it is not quite right :P21:26
zequenceI have taken some steps towards understanding how the ISOs are built, using the seeds and so on. If you want, we could look at building local ISOs21:28
zequenceI started a page about it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupLocalIsoBuildServer21:28
zequencethe problem there is you need to customize some stuff, if you don't want to only use packages in the Ubuntu repos21:29
zequenceI could probably set up our own dev ISO, all though, that would be a bit counterproductive21:30
zequencewe just need to get our own upload rights so we can put stuff up when we need it21:30
zequencebut, I do think it's good for us to have the knowledge of the whole process documented21:31

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