[03:51] <smartboyhw> hey madeinkobaia 
[03:52] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw: Hey you back ! How are you ?
[03:53] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, great:)
[03:53]  * smartboyhw needs to go for lunch and piano lesson...
[03:53] <madeinkobaia> Fine, by my side great too.
[03:54] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw: Ok, see you later : )
[04:28] <OvenWerks> zequence: smartboyhw etc, The extra software installers will not be in the menus for other DEs, just our own ISO. This is because lubuntu and kubuntu (and maybe soon xubuntu) do not install USC and so the menu items do not work.
[04:30] <OvenWerks> If we want something like that, we need to come up with a script kind of installer that doesn't drag in extra libs that we can ship with the menu package.
[04:31] <OvenWerks> But for now, I will leave the desktop files for these in our default settings package so they only show up in our ISO.
[04:32] <OvenWerks> We can decide later if we want to include USC as part of all our DE metas or not. I guess if we are including our xfce desktop as default USC will be there anyway.
[04:33]  * OvenWerks is up to snapshot release d a few minutes ago.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> And if the default is there it's settings and therefore the extra launchers... so the extra software stuff will work on anything installed on top of our ISO.
[04:39] <OvenWerks> The extra SW stuff will not even be visible for those loading our metas on top of another install though.
[04:46] <OvenWerks> That would mean that our menu meta should work on non-ubuntu and even non-debian based distros so long as they have dpkg
[05:56] <zequence> OvenWerks: interesting about the MB
[05:58] <Noskcaj10> OvenWerks, folding@home is pro project run by stanford university. it's finds cures for cancer, alzheimers, parkinsons, etc.
[10:07]  * smartboyhw just saw a commit by zequence 
[10:11] <zequence> a pretty stupid commit in fact
[10:11] <cub> haha what why?
[10:11] <zequence> one that erases the changes done by my previous commit
[10:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh. You got things wrong?
[10:12] <zequence> yes, but that is only to be expected as I do changes to packages I don't really know much about :P
[10:13] <zequence> sometimes you do learn a lot by doing mistakes, luckily
[10:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, like me:P
[10:16] <zequence> cub: madeinkobaia started working on a new social site banner to overcome the problem with the youtube banner cropping, so that is why it is taking longer than expected
[10:17] <zequence> but, we don't really need it right away anyway
[10:17] <cub> Not yet anyhow
[10:17] <zequence> I was thinking of doing some tutorial videos myself soon
[10:17] <zequence> we should start a blueprint for that, so we don't do the same videos twice
[10:17] <cub> I was too, but was shipped over to Gothenburg for the weekend without time or laptop. :P
[10:18] <zequence> ah, where are you at?
[10:18] <zequence> I live quite close to Slottsskogen
[10:18] <cub> Näset. A relative to my girlfriend graduated
[10:18] <zequence> I see
[10:18] <smartboyhw> Oh two contributors living in Sweden?
[10:19] <cub> Yup, I live in Stockholm
[10:19] <smartboyhw> We really have many Swedishs and Belgians and Finnishs.....
[10:19] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:19] <cub> It's because of our long and cold winters, we stay inside fiddling with out computers
[10:20] <zequence> In HK they might do that during summer to escape the burning heat outside
[10:20] <smartboyhw> I'm sweating indoors here already...
[10:20] <cub> Hmm we were quite close to where you live then (checking out google maps)
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Waiting for the kde-workspace build to finish...
[10:21] <cub> Has anyone tried out US with xmonad?
[10:21] <zequence> never heard of it
[10:22] <smartboyhw> What's xmonad!?
[10:22] <cub> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmonad
[10:22] <cub> it tiles windows
[10:23] <cub> a few months back I was looking into using to automatically set up all my different windows depending on whether I was to record audio, edit videos or office work
[10:23] <cub> but I never really put my head into it, but still would like to investigate
[10:23] <cub> you could run it by itself or on top of xfce
[10:24] <smartboyhw> cub, use a VM :P
[10:24] <cub> it is a VM
[10:24] <cub> wait, a WM
[10:24] <zequence> the only time when I use windows heavily is when using Ardour, using the mixer and all sorts of plugins
[10:24] <smartboyhw> cub, I mean use a virtual machine to test Xmonad.
[10:25] <zequence> but, I never keep stuff open if I don't actively control it
[10:25]  * smartboyhw used Ubuntu due to Windows 8 being absolute crap
[10:25] <cub> yeah, I started out running it on my eee pc
[10:25] <zequence> I usually maximize windows, or semi-maximize (over either half of the side of the screen)
[10:25] <cub> zequence, exactly. I would be nice to split the different windows between my laptop and external screen
[10:26] <cub> without dragging them around myself. Sure, it's not that much work but I was bored.
[10:26] <zequence> There is a way to have applications open in a specific screen
[10:26] <zequence> on specific workspaces even
[10:27] <zequence> but, I've stopped bothering witht hat
[10:27] <zequence> I use two workspaces at the most
[10:27] <cub> same here
[10:28] <cub> but usually that's only on my work pc, home laptop I rarely use more than one workspace
[10:28] <zequence> I use my 42 inch TV as monitor, so I also stopped using dual monitoring
[10:29] <zequence> otherwise, dual monitors is pretty useful
[10:29] <zequence> especially when working with a program like ardour
[10:29] <cub> yeah
[10:30] <cub> it would be sweet to be able to break out windows in Kdenlive as well, but it's not (yet)
[14:09] <zequence> my exam, and any that would have followed were postponed from Friday to earliest, 30th of July, so it seems like I'll have a bit more time than I thought for US development
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, why?
[14:10] <smartboyhw> I mean the reason of the delay...
[14:10]  * smartboyhw is leaving from 10th to 30th July, IIRC.
[14:11] <zequence> school stuff kind of comes to a helt during July
[14:11] <zequence> eveyone's on vacation
[14:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah.
[14:12] <zequence> I'm thinking we should reorganize our blueprints
[14:13] <zequence> not sure we really need to have Ubuntu blueprints at all. We could just have everything within the Ubuntu Studio project
[14:13] <zequence> maybe only keep some simple blueprints for stuff that is urgent to fix for a specific release
[14:13] <zequence> OvenWerks: What do you think?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, +1 from me...
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Not sure for OvenWerks 
[14:13] <zequence> most of what we do is not release specific anyway
[14:14] <zequence> it just gets done when it gets done
[14:14] <zequence> I could try simplifying things too
[14:20] <zequence> Just to clarify, what I meant is this: we keep blueprints within the "Ubuntu" project at a bare minimum, while try to keep as much of our blueprints within the "Ubuntu Studio" project
[14:38] <zequence> ..and also by doing that, we could try minimizing the amount of blueprints overall
[14:42] <smartboyhw> zequence, I certainly want minimization...
[14:42] <smartboyhw> It's too damn messy...
[19:09] <madeinkobaia> Hi all : )
[19:15] <madeinkobaia> If anybody feel at least a little bit concerned by our "look & feel" I invite you to take a look on a new banner project for our social networks.
[19:15] <holstein> our? like, ubuntustudio
[19:15] <holstein> for facebook? etc?
[19:15] <holstein> who has access to them?
[19:16] <madeinkobaia> Hum I am not the art lead for another distro, I think.
[19:16] <holstein> ?
[19:18] <holstein> if you drop a link here to some art, im sure some folks will take a look
[19:18] <madeinkobaia> Hi holstein, as art lead for us (ubuntu studio) I work now on a improved version of the previous social network banner (who was done by me, too ;p)
[19:19] <madeinkobaia> Her is the link for g+ : 
[19:19] <madeinkobaia> https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts
[19:19] <madeinkobaia> And on YouTube : http://www.youtube.com/user/madeinkobaia
[19:19] <holstein> are you the admin for the sites?
[19:19] <madeinkobaia> I making tests on my own profile for the moment.
[19:20] <holstein> so, are you the admin?
[19:20] <madeinkobaia> Indeed I am admin for this sites too
[19:20] <holstein> cool
[19:20] <holstein> i know, i personally trust your judgment
[19:22] <madeinkobaia> Feel free to tell me what you think, its a the "beta" release, I will change some details again.
[19:22] <holstein> i think there was some talk about the slogan
[19:22] <holstein> its fine
[19:22] <holstein> i like it.. 
[19:23] <holstein> i see a registered trademark.. is it?
[19:23] <holstein> anyways.. looks good
[19:23] <madeinkobaia> Thanks : ) It was really tricky to found the good proportion, as g+ / youtube have completly changed their display appearance. So it was the time to update our banners.
[19:25] <madeinkobaia> Yes the trademark was on the previous versions, and we decided to keep it. Now is it really important..I don't know.
[19:27] <madeinkobaia> holstein: About my introspection "If anybody feel at least a little bit concerned by our "look & feel"..." its because its the 3rd time I add a link to the banners without any answers, glad to have your opinion.
[19:28] <madeinkobaia> About "my introduction" I mean ; )
[20:41] <OvenWerks> madeinkobaia: holstein, I think the TM has to be there because of the word "Ubuntu" if nothing else.
[20:42] <cub> madeinkobaia, could you add me to be able to see the new G+ banner?
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Looks good by the way. I don't normally look at "social" sites so I haven't been watching the progress :)
[20:42] <madeinkobaia> cub : it is not finish , the link : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts
[20:43] <cub> yes, but I'm not allowed to see it: "Zak hasn't shared anything with you.
[20:43] <cub> People are more likely to share with you if you add them to your circles."
[20:43] <madeinkobaia> Hi OwenWerks :)
[20:43] <OvenWerks> cub: I don't think you need to be added to see the banner... unless I am missing something. I saw a banner on both links.
[20:43] <OvenWerks> Hi
[20:43] <madeinkobaia> cub : its my banner, normally you can see it
[20:44] <cub> hm google thinks I should not see it
[20:45] <madeinkobaia> cub : maybe the link is not good, try this one : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts/p/pub
[20:45] <madeinkobaia> OwenWerks : do you see it ?
[20:46] <OvenWerks> madeinkobaia: we are looking at adding different DEs as you know. I was wondering how hard it would be to have a logo that combines the DE with ours. Like the KDE gear with the top open like a lid and ubuntustudio dropping in or something... as an example.
[20:46] <cub> the new link redirects me to an empty page
[20:46] <cub> oh well, PGP is against me tonight as well. :D
[20:46] <madeinkobaia> OwenWerks : Great idea to combine, no problems for create something in that spirit.
[20:46] <OvenWerks> not at that link the first one worked though
[20:48] <OvenWerks> https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts worked for me. At first it came up empty, but then the banner came later.
[20:49] <OvenWerks> Also maybe try to scroll up.
[20:49] <OvenWerks> You may be below the banner
[20:50] <madeinkobaia> OwenWerks : Yep, without scroll you don't see nothing of course ;p
[20:50]  * cub is stupid
[20:51] <cub> yes, I'm not used to scrolling upwards on a new page.
[20:52] <OvenWerks> I had to look at it more than once too...
[20:53] <OvenWerks> madeinkobaia: I was thinking for backgrounds more than anything. I felt it would be good to recognise the effort the DE put into things and to remind the user that desktop support should still rest with the DE people :)
[20:56] <madeinkobaia> OwenWerks : Ok, the better thing should be, if you want, to send a mail with the details about the project and what should the graphics for that.
[20:59] <OvenWerks> I will try to do some rough (really rough) drafts of what I mean... 
[21:00] <madeinkobaia> OwenWerks : Great : )
[21:02] <cub> Maybe you have already discussed this, but the banners say "Linux for creative humans", not to be picky (but others might be so) shouldn't it say "GNU/Linux"?
[21:04] <zequence> It would be too complicated for a slogan
[21:04] <zequence> people who know what it means, will know what it means
[21:04] <OvenWerks> most don't
[21:04] <zequence> people who don't will know if they get interested enough
[21:05] <zequence> it's good to put GNU/Linux stuff in "about" pages and so on
[21:05] <madeinkobaia> cub : In the the popular way to think Linux is enough. Now of course for be straight is should be GNU/Linux or better Gnu's Not Unix....well...you know
[21:05] <cub> or the other way around. People who know what it means might argue about it and people who don't just read linux
[21:05] <OvenWerks> Most people are still go "linux?" and are just getting that there is something other than win/osx available
[21:06] <zequence> a slogan is more towards the poetic and should focus on that. technically, it is not wrong to say Linux, as that is what many people do
[21:06] <madeinkobaia> ^ agree
[21:06] <cub> I agree too, but just stumble across a wild discussion about it yesterday so it was fresh in my mind
[21:06] <OvenWerks> people who know what it means install Arch
[21:06] <cub> "linux is just the kernel!!!" and so on..
[21:06] <zequence> http://ubuntustudio.org/about-ubuntustudio/
[21:07] <OvenWerks> :)
[21:07] <zequence> "Ubuntu Studio is the most widely used multimedia orientated GNU/Linux distribution in the world"
[21:07] <cub> yes, I checked there first
[21:09] <OvenWerks> zequence: it would sure be nice ti have an ISO to be able to install our metas off of. Downloading the metas for the fourth or more times. :P
[21:11] <OvenWerks> I guess if we had an alt ISO that would work.
[21:16] <zequence> OvenWerks: It's not too difficult to set up a local repo
[21:16] <zequence> I did that just a couple of days ago
[21:16] <zequence> let me find the link
[21:17] <zequence> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/HowTo/TrivialRepository
[21:17] <zequence> actually, haven't tested on Ubuntu yet
[21:18] <zequence> but should work just the same
[21:19] <zequence> I've started to keep /usr/local on a separate partition
[21:19] <zequence> and put a lot of non-distro or release specific stuff there
[21:20] <zequence> multiple distros use the same /usr/local
[21:20] <zequence> should work for the menu, I think
[21:26] <OvenWerks> To test the menu I need to install our sw. I have thought I had it working then install another meta and it is not quite right :P
[21:28] <zequence> I have taken some steps towards understanding how the ISOs are built, using the seeds and so on. If you want, we could look at building local ISOs
[21:28] <zequence> I started a page about it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupLocalIsoBuildServer
[21:29] <zequence> the problem there is you need to customize some stuff, if you don't want to only use packages in the Ubuntu repos
[21:30] <zequence> I could probably set up our own dev ISO, all though, that would be a bit counterproductive
[21:30] <zequence> we just need to get our own upload rights so we can put stuff up when we need it
[21:31] <zequence> but, I do think it's good for us to have the knowledge of the whole process documented