=== Sadin_ is now known as Sadin [00:19] nagev: you could look at the modules loaded in your kernel... that would be a good start [00:21] and the best answer seems to be 'sudo lshw -c video' === Sadin_ is now known as Sadin [00:52] haljhon: thank you, 'lshw -c video' shows: "configuration: driver=radeon latency=0". Is that proprietary or open source? [00:53] modinfo -F license radeon [00:53] GPL and additional rights [00:53] looks like it is open-source :) [00:54] cool, thank you [00:57] so i guess i need to install fglrx to get vaapi working in mplayer. If I install fglrx and am not happy can i just apt-get remove it and my system will revert back to the currently used GPL driver? [00:58] it looks like there's an uninstall script included with it [00:58] you should run the uninstaller and then purge it. [00:59] and then I would assume the open-source driver would get used again... I don't know if fglrx blacklists radeon (I'd assume it does) so you might have to manually ensure that it isn't still blacklisted [00:59] one would assume the purge operation would do this... however, I have seen instances where this doesn't always work as desired and I've had to manually remove a blacklist. [01:00] right, thanks alot :) [01:01] this looks like it might be helpful to you: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu [01:06] thanks. I just noticed a package in synaptic called glx-alternative-fglrx. It lets you switch between drivers. I will try that. Would be nice if I could create some sort of restore point to revert to if it all goes horribly wrong! [01:17] oh that package is broken. anyway i installed fglrx. is it best to reboot or is there a command I can use to restart X with the new driver? [02:42] lol didn't bother to change my nic... anyways, win 8 doesn't make it easy to boot from disk =P [02:42] it\s almost like they dont want you to install xubuntu === xubuntu326 is now known as nathanesau === Kk2[oFF] is now known as Kk2 [02:57] does anyone here know about installing xubuntu with win8 [02:57] cause i have some questions [02:58] !dualboot | nathanesau [02:58] nathanesau: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [02:58] !uefi [02:58] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [02:59] just a question [03:00] i already installed xubuntu [03:00] and the disk ejected itself [03:00] but then the computer booted up to windows 8.... [03:00] i dont really want to partition my disk a third time [03:00] nathanesau: what do you want? [03:00] access ubuntu [03:00] i already installed it [03:01] nathanesau: you should see a menu at boot time... grub.. [03:01] holstein: This happens, if he installed a 64bit version he may need to run boot-repair and he's done. [03:01] nathanesau: do you see options at boot? about what OS to choose? how did you install? [03:01] i used a disc [03:01] 13.04 [03:01] well.. running boot-repair wont hurt anything, thats for sure [03:01] and installed default settings [03:02] Unit193: you talking about from a live CD? [03:02] holstein: Running boot-repair from live? Yes. [03:02] nathanesau: thats what i would do first ^^ [03:02] from a live cd? [03:02] what do you mean [03:03] nathanesau: running boot repair from a liveCD.. installing grub, which seems to have not installed [03:03] hmmm [03:03] how would i run boot repair [03:03] do i need a different disk? [03:03] (windows 8 messes up the startup options) [03:03] nathanesau: no.. you should be able to use the installer CD you have [03:03] nathanesau: what are you talking about? windows 8 does what? [03:04] you can't boot from disc [03:04] and access bios options the same way [03:04] nathanesau: boot the live CD the same way you did to install xubuntu [03:04] ok [03:04] and then what? [03:04] !grub [03:04] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [03:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2 nathanesau [03:06] nathanesau: hopefully leading you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair if you were to read carefully === nathan is now known as nathanesau [03:26] ok heres what i found out [03:26] in the windows 8 boot options it has priorities [03:26] i.e. 1st option: boot from disk, 2nd: windows 8, 3rd ubuntu [03:26] so i took out the disk and swapped the 3rd option with the 1st [03:27] and grub was able to load up ubuntu [03:27] HOWEVER, when i clicked on the windows 8 loader option, it said that it was an invalid path [03:27] and asked me to press any key [03:27] and then it went back to the main grub menu [03:28] so basically, grub doesn't let me boot to windows, but i dont know why [03:29] windows 8 boot options wouldnt be grub [03:29] i would install, or reinstall grub [03:29] if you didnt use boot-repair, use it [03:29] i did reinstall [03:30] i dont understand why the windows 8 loader doesnt work [03:30] because the ubuntu loader works [03:30] !uefi [03:30] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [03:30] ^^ its likely something to do with that [03:50] ok so the error i get it "can't find command 'drivemap' [03:50] error: invalid EFI file path [03:51] in my system setup i have disabled fast boot [03:51] and also disabled secure boot control [03:51] i can boot from disk again if i need to, [03:51] just need to know what to do [03:53] !uefi | nathanesau i would have to refer to this, since i dont have uefi hardware to test with [03:53] nathanesau i would have to refer to this, since i dont have uefi hardware to test with: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [03:54] nathanesau: you can always try another boot manager. GAG for example [03:54] hmmm [03:54] just a question [03:54] if you look at the link you posted [03:55] it says to "do something else" [03:55] rather than run windows alongside [03:55] would i have to reformat my hard drive if i chose this option [03:55] (again i mean) [03:55] nathanesau: you have ubuntu installed and booting [03:55] correct? [03:56] yes [03:56] those options are for faciliating that.. [03:56] but the windows 8 loader doesn't work [03:56] sure.. and that option that you just asked me about has *nothing* to do with that [03:57] that faciliates the booting of the ubuntu partition [03:57] ok [03:57] um.... what other loaders are there [03:57] other than grub [03:58] well, there the one i mentioned above.. GAG.. and *many* others [03:58] theres the one in windows that will work for windows only [03:58] can i overwrite grub with gag [03:58] you should know how to revert to it.. then, you could have GRUB on a usb stick to boot linux.. [03:58] nathanesau: i have no idea what state that machine is in, but there is nothing about xubuntu or grub preventing you from overwriting anything with anything [03:59] is gag on the ubuntu disk i have [03:59] no [03:59] i find it by searching "gag boot manager" http://gag.sourceforge.net/ [04:02] ok i have it on a stick [04:02] it? [04:02] how do i install from a stick ( i have never done that) [04:02] gag [04:03] ok let's see what happens [04:03] i would just try GAG live [04:03] what do you mean try gag live [04:03] on a cd? [04:04] on my computer? [04:04] (in windows 8 interface i mean) [04:04] nathanesau: i mean, try it... dont just install it and break grub [04:05] try it first.. live.. from the cd or usb [04:05] im not able to try it from a usb though [04:05] lilke.... i set it to boot from usb [04:05] but all i have on the usb is gag [04:05] and nothing happened [04:06] sure. just leave it if its not working for you [04:06] ok.... but can i reinstall ubuntu i guess? [04:06] like would it just overwrite itself? [04:06] why? [04:06] nothing is wrong with ubuntu.. its booting.. [04:06] because i can't get gag to launch [04:07] ya but the windows 8 loader doesn't work [04:07] sure.. thats windows though [04:08] reinstall ubuntu if you want, but it'll likely do the same [04:08] what would i do? just relax and search for help in a windows venue about how to boot it from grub [04:09] i would know how to revert to the windows boot loader.. i would also know that at that point, i can install grub to a USB stick, and boot ubuntu from there [04:10] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15285115/windows-7-ubuntu-12-04-invalid-efi-file-path-boot-repair-grub-many-entri [04:10] what does he mean by "repair tool which inserted new entries into grub" [04:10] do you know what he's talking about [04:17] nathanesau: grub *never* booted windows for you.. grub is booting xubuntu fine [04:18] correct [04:18] the issue is ith grub and your particular setup of windows [04:18] is with* [04:20] there is likely something you can add to grub to get it to boot your windows [04:23] i would have to have that hardware in front of me [04:23] im trying something one sec [04:24] these are the facts.. *if*, and assuming your windows was booting and fine before this, then its still fine.. xubuntu and grub are *not* broken at all.. [04:24] you windows is not allowing grub to boot it [04:24] correct [04:24] only boots through its own loader [04:24] nathanesau: so, windows boots? [04:25] not through grub [04:25] nathanesau: but, you can boot windows? [04:25] yes [04:26] nathanesau: i would just relax then.. dont "fix" what aint broke [04:27] ok, it's just inconvenient that i can't access ubuntu and windows from the same loader [04:27] nathanesau: something about your uefi is preventing grub from booting it.. if you can boot both the OS's you have installed.. then, you have no problem [04:27] nathanesau: let the manufacturer of your hardware know of your inconvinience.. and maybe microsoft as well [04:27] ok [04:29] windows 7 > windows 8 imo [04:29] ubuntu > all [04:29] hehe [04:29] (in some ways0 [04:29] i just used this "fix" [04:30] http://whoochee.blogspot.ca/2012/12/uefi-ubuntu-boot-along-with-win8.html#!/2012/12/uefi-ubuntu-boot-along-with-win8.html [04:30] just testing if it worked [04:32] boot repair is what you tried first, correct? [04:32] ya ive tried a bunch of stuff lol [04:32] i would stop [04:33] i would relax, and use the system "as-is" since you *can* dualboot [04:33] i got it to work [04:33] IT worked [04:33] the link i posted worked [04:33] yeah? the boot-repair? [04:34] nathanesau: thats what Unit193 suggested when you first came in the channel.. thats what i linked for you way back, that you said you had tried [04:34] lol [04:34] sorry for all the trouble [04:35] nathanesau: no trouble.. i just thought you had already tried it.. otherwise, i would have pushed for you to try it.. [04:35] * Unit193 setup a UEFI system once. [04:37] ok..... finally [04:37] ubuntu is really efficient [04:37] my computer is only using 10% memory [04:37] (Ubuntu, or Xubuntu?) [04:37] xubuntu [04:37] but they are very similar? [04:41] anyways, ttyl [04:41] Adios. [04:41] holstein why are you not an op [05:50] meh [05:51] when I plug in my camera and try to look at pictures, I get "Failed to mount "Canon Digital Camera"" [05:51] "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)." [05:54] have you power cycled both devices? [05:54] the camera? sure... I dont feel like turning off my computer... it has been an issue before though [05:55] WalterN, I get that too. solved by switching from thunar to nautilus file browser. [05:55] (as in, updates have happened, and the computer has restarted at least once since then) [05:55] acerimmer: so I just need to install nautlius? [05:56] WalterN, um, it might be there. it's installed by default with ubuntustudio. run apt-cache policy nautilus [05:57] installed: (none)... does that mean its not installed? [05:57] :P [05:57] WalterN, that's what it means [05:58] alright, lets see what happens [05:59] hmm [05:59] do I need to log out and log back in or something annoying like that? === Noskcaj10 is now known as Noskcaj [05:59] WalterN, "need"? do this; install nautilus. then see if it'll run without reboot. [06:00] yeah, it just errors the same way, only it gives me a 'something crashed' thing in the top bar [06:01] enh [06:01] there is a kernel update anyway [06:02] WalterN, hmm. best to fully update perhaps. sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will update your current distro [06:02] whats the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? [06:03] WalterN, upgrade will update all currently installed package version. dist-upgrade will update to latest package versions [06:03] cause I already ran dist-upgrade [06:03] WalterN, and the kernels STILL didn't install? [06:04] no, its working its magic right now [06:04] done [06:04] alright, rebooting [06:09] back [06:09] WalterN, what's the word? [06:10] that I have IRC running at the moment XD [06:11] I open nautilus from the command line and select my camera, and I get the same error message [06:11] WalterN, sorry that didn't work. [06:12] I guess [06:12] WalterN, suggest you google cameraname + "error code" [06:12] WalterN, or ask in the main #ubuntu channel [06:12] what was that open location -> gphoto2 thing? [06:19] bleh [06:22] there we go [06:22] gphoto2://[usb:002,004]/ [06:25] ffff [06:26] its kinda crashy [06:26] but I pulled some files off [06:26] kinda a lot crashy [10:50] help, first time trying to insatll xubuntum it says critical error cannot install, and gives me access to the live mode, how from here can I check whats wrong? thanx === xubuntu_ is now known as carognaverde2 [10:58] hello? [11:01] carognaverde: hi, you are not alone! ;) :) in here, I mean ;s [11:02] are you using the CD, or live USB, what program did you use to make it? [11:02] :) [11:03] this one is good http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [11:03] err I think [11:04] xubuntu 12.10 on a usb stick [11:05] i can use it live, but wont go thru8 with the installation .......actually not even winxp would install, i guess somethings wrong on this computer but dunno what to check :) [11:06] oic :( [11:07] where does it error-out, can you get to the partitioning part? if there's no data on the disk, can you re-partition from scratch? [11:07] maybe it's something simple [11:08] it;s at the partitioning where it errors out [11:08] there is data on the disk, but i am happy to get rid of it :) [11:10] you COULD, technically, /fixboot and /fixmbr from windows.. then free up space (like at the end of the disk) for xubuntu - and then let the installer use the free space (just leaving it free, from windows disk managament, not creating any partitions for linux there) [11:10] no windows access, just this live xubuntu access [11:10] sry * /fixboot and /fixmbr from a windows setp/recovery disk [11:11] oh, so you don't even have a working windows system on it? [11:11] try opening gparted while on live mode, create new partition table [11:11] exactloy [11:11] :( === jeanaustinr is now known as jeanaustinr|x [11:11] im afraid to give any advice, then xD [11:12] carognaverde: if creating partition table works, try creating partitions, full disk minus 1GB or something ext4 partition and a small swap partition [11:13] (swap being 1GB or so that was not used ext4 partition) [11:13] ^ just btw., shouldn't swap = amount of RAM?.. [11:14] not unless you're gonna enable hibernation and use it [11:14] oic!.. [11:16] afk, gl carognaverde [12:52] hello friends, back again... newbie having problems installing xubuntu (but i can get it live,,,somebody was suggesting me gparted...still here ? [13:02] oh well,. i managed to open gparted, and now I'm lost, never did a partition.....can somebody help me? :) [13:03] carognaverde: What was the original problem you had installing that led you to use gparted? [13:04] http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html carognaverde [13:05] GNUdru: Nice tutorial [13:06] waesn't able to install xubuntu from usb, i can just acces live (that;s where I'm now), the error during installation camos at the partition moment....even windows gives me problems installing...so xubuntu live is all I've got :) [13:18] so...suggestions appreciated......shall i format one of the 2 hard drives? or safer to create a new partition on one of them? [13:20] one it says is ext2 (not mounted, other extended (not busy, there are no mounted logical partitions) [13:22] carognaverde: Do you have existing data on the drive that you are interested in protecting, or is the drive free to delete everything? [13:23] free to delete >:) [13:24] carognaverde: Then I would run the installer again, choosing the option to let the installer automatically use the entire drive (removing all existing data). If THAT still gives errors, come back here and tell us what errors you get. [13:25] + to that [13:27] hi all, I've just started getting Compton freezing the machine on login today, but it has been working fine for over a week (with rebooting) until now. How do I start to trouble shoot this? [13:27] that was giving me the error, something like the installer enountered an unrecoverable error [13:28] carognaverde: did you check the iso you burnt from before you burnt it? [13:28] carognaverde: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes [13:29] the iso was good, but downloaded it long time ago, not even winxp, will install on this machine...i believe soimthing with the hard disk\ [13:30] did gparted have any black triangles ? or exclamation marks ? [13:31] actually no...i'm thinking of starting a check on gparted, is taht a good idea? [13:35] well, if you have issues installing anything then I'd say you've got an issue somewhere - gparted might show you [13:37] check did not work [13:37] carognaverde: Details? [13:42] GParted 0.12.1 --enable-libparted-dmraid [13:42] Libparted 2.3 [13:42] Check and repair file system (ext2) on /dev/sda1 00:00:00 ( ERROR ) [13:42] [13:42] calibrate /dev/sda1 00:00:00 ( SUCCESS ) [13:42] [13:42] path: /dev/sda1 [13:42] start: 2,048 [13:42] end: 499,711 [13:42] size: 497,664 (243.00 MiB) [13:42] check file system on /dev/sda1 for errors and (if possible) fix them 00:00:00 ( ERROR ) [13:42] [13:42] e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1 [13:42] [13:42] /dev/sda1 is mounted. [13:43] e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) [13:43] e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. [13:44] carognaverde: You said you were in a live USB session, right? Did you mount the hard drive after booting up? [13:45] no [13:46] carognaverde: And you're certain /dev/sda is the hard drive? [13:47] yes, i have 2, the second haRD DRIVE HAS A little arrow icon, that if i expand, says sda5 ubuntu [13:47] carognaverde: Run this and paste the link it hands back: mount | pastebinit [13:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774013/ [13:49] carognaverde: And you want to clear /dev/sda and put Ubuntu on it, is that right? [13:49] yes [13:49] 1 [13:49] 2 [13:49] 3 [13:49] 4 [13:49] 5 [13:49] 6 [13:49] 7 [13:49] 8 [13:49] 9 [13:50] 10 [13:50] 11 [13:50] 12 [13:50] 13 [13:50] 14 [13:50] 15 [13:50] 16 [13:50] 17 [13:50] 18 [13:50] [13:50] proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [13:50] sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [13:50] udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755) [13:50] devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620) [13:50] tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755) [13:50] /dev/sdc on /cdrom type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro) [13:50] /dev/loop0 on /rofs type squashfs (ro,noatime) [13:50] none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) [13:50] none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) [13:50] none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw) [13:50] !flood | carognaverde [13:50] carognaverde: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [13:50] tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) [13:50] none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880) [13:50] none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) [13:50] none on /run/user type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=104857600,mode=0755) [13:50] gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/xubuntu/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=xubuntu) [13:50] /dev/sda1 on /media/xubuntu/5b476ef0-be79-4843-bf81-9c732be49cef type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2) [13:51] my bad [13:51] Thanks, just next time use a pastebin please. :) [13:52] i did, just now learned what they do :) [13:52] carognaverde: It's okay. Okay, gparted is throwing errors because your HDD is already mounted. Dismount it first (right click on desktop icon for sda and unmount), then try gparted again. [13:53] unmounteds, what action shall i do next on gparted? [13:53] carognaverde: The same check you ran before. [13:53] check? [13:54] carognaverde: Yes [13:54] error again [13:54] carognaverde: paste.ubuntu.com the error? [13:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774031/ [13:58] shall i try formatting, or shall i try working on the second hard drive? [13:58] That's the mount list again - I was looking to get the error gparted was giving you. [13:59] its the same as previous [14:00] carognaverde: Then you didn't get the drive dismounted - the previous error was '/dev/sda1 is mounted'. [14:00] e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1 [14:00] e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. [14:00] to sum it up :) [14:03] carognaverde: Either it is failing to unmount, or it is getting automatically remounted. Make sure you don't have any extraneous windows open (close down to just irc, terminal and gparted) and work on getting /dev/sda1 dismounted. [14:04] carognaverde: You can check with 'mount' at a command line. As long as '/dev/sda1' appears in that list, gparted will fail on the test you are running, as it requires the partition to be unmounted. [14:04] Should be able to sudo umount /media/xubuntu/5b476ef0-be79-4843-bf81-9c732be49cef [14:05] Yes, or sudo umount /dev/sda1 [14:05] and that worked :) [14:06] great, what next? :) [14:08] carognaverde: I would empty that drive - remove all the partitions. Then, install Ubuntu on it. [14:08] with format on gparted? [14:09] carognaverde: No, with 'remove partition' in gparted. [14:09] carognaverde: The installer will create new partitions and format them during installation. [14:09] carognaverde: Just work on getting /dev/sda to have no partitions. [14:10] i dont see..remove partition option [14:11] carognaverde: Sorry, I was paraphrasing. Been a while since I was in gparted. [14:12] :) [14:12] carognaverde: Right click on the first partition in /dev/sda and tell me what options you have. [14:13] carognaverde: Remember your current goal is to remove all partitions on /dev/sda - feel free to follow logical menu choices that would achieve that goal. [14:14] delete- resize/move- copy - format to - manage flags - check -label - new uuid - information [14:15] carognaverde: Delete [14:16] Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes. [14:17] carognaverde: Okay, do as it says and come back when you are back up. We'll be here. [14:17] cancel or ignore? [14:17] carognaverde: Definitely don't cancel it, this is what you have been trying to accomplish. [14:18] shall i restart? no more sda1 on gparted, its calle dunallocated [14:19] carognaverde: Is /dev/sda empty now? [14:20] if it is - I would be inclined to reboot the live medium now [14:20] I agree with elfy [14:20] and come back live, or try to install directly? [14:20] do the try again [14:20] carognaverde: I'd install, yes [14:20] then connect here [14:21] tahx guys, see ya in a little [14:21] carognaverde: Good luck [14:21] personally I'd do the try and come here and then you can double check stuff [14:21] carognaverde: Yeah, let us know how it went === jeanaustinr is now known as jeanaustinr|x [14:36] damn...here's the result [14:37] unrecoverable error [14:37] the result of?? [14:38]