[00:19] <haljhon> nagev:  you could look at the modules loaded in your kernel... that would be a good start
[00:21] <haljhon> and the best answer seems to be 'sudo lshw -c video'
[00:52] <nagev> haljhon: thank you, 'lshw -c video' shows: "configuration: driver=radeon latency=0".  Is that proprietary or open source?
[00:53] <haljhon> modinfo -F license radeon
[00:53] <haljhon> GPL and additional rights
[00:53] <haljhon> looks like it is open-source :)
[00:54] <nagev> cool, thank you
[00:57] <nagev> so i guess i need to install fglrx to get vaapi working in mplayer.  If I install fglrx and am not happy can i just apt-get remove it and my system will revert back to the currently used GPL driver?
[00:58] <haljhon> it looks like there's an uninstall script included with it
[00:58] <haljhon> you should run the uninstaller and then purge it.
[00:59] <haljhon> and then I would assume the open-source driver would get used again... I don't know if fglrx blacklists radeon (I'd assume it does) so you might have to manually ensure that it isn't still blacklisted
[00:59] <haljhon> one would assume the purge operation would do this... however, I have seen instances where this doesn't always work as desired and I've had to manually remove a blacklist.
[01:00] <nagev> right, thanks alot :)
[01:01] <haljhon> this looks like it might be helpful to you: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[01:06] <nagev> thanks.  I just noticed a package in synaptic called glx-alternative-fglrx.  It lets you switch between drivers.  I will try that.  Would be nice if I could create some sort of restore point to revert to if it all goes horribly wrong!
[01:17] <nagev> oh that package is broken.  anyway i installed fglrx. is it best to reboot or is there a command I can use to restart X with the new driver?
[02:42] <xubuntu326> lol didn't bother to change my nic... anyways, win 8 doesn't make it easy to boot from disk =P
[02:42] <xubuntu326> it\s almost like they dont want you to install xubuntu
[02:57] <nathanesau> does anyone here know about installing xubuntu with win8
[02:57] <nathanesau> cause i have some questions
[02:58] <holstein> !dualboot | nathanesau
[02:58] <Unit193> !uefi
[02:59] <nathanesau> just a question
[03:00] <nathanesau> i already installed xubuntu
[03:00] <nathanesau> and the disk ejected itself
[03:00] <nathanesau> but then the computer booted up to windows 8....
[03:00] <nathanesau> i dont really want to partition my disk a third time
[03:00] <holstein> nathanesau: what do you want?
[03:00] <nathanesau> access ubuntu
[03:00] <nathanesau> i already installed it
[03:01] <holstein> nathanesau: you should see a menu at boot time... grub..
[03:01] <Unit193> holstein: This happens, if he installed a 64bit version he may need to run boot-repair and he's done.
[03:01] <holstein> nathanesau: do you see options at boot? about what OS to choose? how did you install?
[03:01] <nathanesau> i used a disc
[03:01] <nathanesau> 13.04
[03:01] <holstein> well.. running boot-repair wont hurt anything, thats for sure
[03:01] <nathanesau> and installed default settings
[03:02] <holstein> Unit193: you talking about from a live CD?
[03:02] <Unit193> holstein: Running boot-repair from live?  Yes.
[03:02] <holstein> nathanesau: thats what i would do first ^^
[03:02] <nathanesau> from a live cd?
[03:02] <nathanesau> what do you mean
[03:03] <holstein> nathanesau: running boot repair from a liveCD.. installing grub, which seems to have not installed
[03:03] <nathanesau> hmmm
[03:03] <nathanesau> how would i run boot repair
[03:03] <nathanesau> do i need a different disk?
[03:03] <nathanesau> (windows 8 messes up the startup options)
[03:03] <holstein> nathanesau: no.. you should be able to use the installer CD you have
[03:03] <holstein> nathanesau: what are you talking about? windows 8 does what?
[03:04] <nathanesau> you can't boot from disc
[03:04] <nathanesau> and access bios options the same way
[03:04] <holstein> nathanesau: boot the live CD the same way you did to install xubuntu
[03:04] <nathanesau> ok
[03:04] <nathanesau> and then what?
[03:04] <holstein> !grub
[03:05] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2 nathanesau
[03:06] <holstein> nathanesau: hopefully leading you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair if you were to read carefully
[03:26] <nathanesau> ok heres what i found out
[03:26] <nathanesau> in the windows 8 boot options it has priorities
[03:26] <nathanesau> i.e. 1st option: boot from disk, 2nd: windows 8, 3rd ubuntu
[03:26] <nathanesau> so i took out the disk and swapped the 3rd option with the 1st
[03:27] <nathanesau> and grub was able to load up ubuntu
[03:27] <nathanesau> HOWEVER, when i clicked on the windows 8 loader option, it said that it was an invalid path
[03:27] <nathanesau> and asked me to press any key
[03:27] <nathanesau> and then it went back to the main grub menu
[03:28] <nathanesau> so basically,  grub doesn't let me boot to windows, but i dont know why
[03:29] <holstein> windows 8 boot options wouldnt be grub
[03:29] <holstein> i would install, or reinstall grub
[03:29] <holstein> if you didnt use boot-repair, use it
[03:29] <nathanesau> i did reinstall
[03:30] <nathanesau> i dont understand why the windows 8 loader doesnt work
[03:30] <nathanesau> because the ubuntu loader works
[03:30] <holstein> !uefi
[03:30] <holstein> ^^  its likely something to do with that
[03:50] <nathanesau> ok so the error i get it "can't find command 'drivemap'
[03:50] <nathanesau> error: invalid EFI file path
[03:51] <nathanesau> in my system setup i have disabled fast boot
[03:51] <nathanesau> and also disabled secure boot control
[03:51] <nathanesau> i can boot from disk again if i need to,
[03:51] <nathanesau> just need to know what to do
[03:53] <holstein> !uefi | nathanesau i would have to refer to this, since i dont have uefi hardware to test with
[03:54] <holstein> nathanesau: you can always try another boot manager. GAG for example
[03:54] <nathanesau> hmmm
[03:54] <nathanesau> just a question
[03:54] <nathanesau> if you look at the link you posted
[03:55] <nathanesau> it says to "do something else"
[03:55] <nathanesau> rather than run windows alongside
[03:55] <nathanesau> would i have to reformat my hard drive if i chose this option
[03:55] <nathanesau> (again i mean)
[03:55] <holstein> nathanesau: you have ubuntu installed and booting
[03:55] <holstein> correct?
[03:56] <nathanesau> yes
[03:56] <holstein> those options are for faciliating that..
[03:56] <nathanesau> but the windows 8 loader doesn't work
[03:56] <holstein> sure.. and that option that you just asked me about has *nothing* to do with that
[03:57] <holstein> that faciliates the booting of the ubuntu partition
[03:57] <nathanesau> ok
[03:57] <nathanesau> um.... what other loaders are there
[03:57] <nathanesau> other than grub
[03:58] <holstein> well, there the one i mentioned above.. GAG.. and *many* others
[03:58] <holstein> theres the one in windows that will work for windows only
[03:58] <nathanesau> can i overwrite grub with gag
[03:58] <holstein> you should know how to revert to it.. then, you could have GRUB on a usb stick to boot linux..
[03:58] <holstein> nathanesau: i have no idea what state that machine is in, but there is nothing about xubuntu or grub preventing you from overwriting anything with anything
[03:59] <nathanesau> is gag on the ubuntu disk i have
[03:59] <holstein> no
[03:59] <holstein> i find it by searching "gag boot manager" http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[04:02] <nathanesau> ok i have it on a stick
[04:02] <holstein> it?
[04:02] <nathanesau> how do i install from a stick ( i have never done that)
[04:02] <nathanesau> gag
[04:03] <nathanesau> ok let's see what happens
[04:03] <holstein> i would just try GAG live
[04:03] <nathanesau> what do you mean try gag live
[04:03] <nathanesau> on a cd?
[04:04] <nathanesau> on my computer?
[04:04] <nathanesau> (in windows 8 interface i mean)
[04:04] <holstein> nathanesau: i mean, try it... dont just install it and break grub
[04:05] <holstein> try it first.. live.. from the cd or usb
[04:05] <nathanesau> im not able to try it from a usb though
[04:05] <nathanesau> lilke.... i set it to boot from usb
[04:05] <nathanesau> but all i have on the usb is gag
[04:05] <nathanesau> and nothing happened
[04:06] <holstein> sure. just leave it if its not working for you
[04:06] <nathanesau> ok.... but can i reinstall ubuntu i guess?
[04:06] <nathanesau> like would it just overwrite itself?
[04:06] <holstein> why?
[04:06] <holstein> nothing is wrong with ubuntu.. its booting..
[04:06] <nathanesau> because i can't get gag to launch
[04:07] <nathanesau> ya but the windows 8 loader doesn't work
[04:07] <holstein> sure.. thats windows though
[04:08] <holstein> reinstall ubuntu if you want, but it'll likely do the same
[04:08] <holstein> what would i do? just relax and search for help in a windows venue about how to boot it from grub
[04:09] <holstein> i would know how to revert to the windows boot loader.. i would also know that at that point, i can install grub to a USB stick, and boot ubuntu from there
[04:10] <nathanesau> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15285115/windows-7-ubuntu-12-04-invalid-efi-file-path-boot-repair-grub-many-entri
[04:10] <nathanesau> what does he mean by "repair tool which inserted new entries into grub"
[04:10] <nathanesau> do you know what he's talking about
[04:17] <holstein> nathanesau: grub *never* booted windows for you.. grub is booting xubuntu fine
[04:18] <nathanesau> correct
[04:18] <holstein> the issue is ith grub and your particular setup of windows
[04:18] <holstein> is with*
[04:20] <holstein> there is likely something you can add to grub to get it to boot your windows
[04:23] <holstein> i would have to have that hardware in front of me
[04:23] <nathanesau> im trying something one sec
[04:24] <holstein> these are the facts.. *if*, and assuming your windows was booting and fine before this, then its still fine.. xubuntu and grub are *not* broken at all..
[04:24] <holstein> you windows is not allowing grub to boot it
[04:24] <nathanesau> correct
[04:24] <nathanesau> only boots through its own loader
[04:24] <holstein> nathanesau: so, windows boots?
[04:25] <nathanesau> not through grub
[04:25] <holstein> nathanesau: but, you can boot windows?
[04:25] <nathanesau> yes
[04:26] <holstein> nathanesau: i would just relax then.. dont "fix" what aint broke
[04:27] <nathanesau> ok, it's just inconvenient that i can't access ubuntu and windows from the same loader
[04:27] <holstein> nathanesau: something about your uefi is preventing grub from booting it.. if you can boot both the OS's you have installed.. then, you have no problem
[04:27] <holstein> nathanesau: let the manufacturer of your hardware know of your inconvinience.. and maybe microsoft as well
[04:27] <nathanesau> ok
[04:29] <nathanesau> windows 7 > windows 8 imo
[04:29] <nathanesau> ubuntu > all
[04:29] <holstein> hehe
[04:29] <nathanesau> (in some ways0
[04:29] <nathanesau> i just used this "fix"
[04:30] <nathanesau> http://whoochee.blogspot.ca/2012/12/uefi-ubuntu-boot-along-with-win8.html#!/2012/12/uefi-ubuntu-boot-along-with-win8.html
[04:30] <nathanesau> just testing if it worked
[04:32] <holstein> boot repair is what you tried first, correct?
[04:32] <nathanesau> ya ive tried a bunch of stuff lol
[04:32] <holstein> i would stop
[04:33] <holstein> i would relax, and use the system "as-is" since you *can* dualboot
[04:33] <nathanesau> i got it to work
[04:33] <nathanesau> IT worked
[04:33] <nathanesau> the link i posted worked
[04:33] <holstein> yeah? the boot-repair?
[04:34] <holstein> nathanesau: thats what Unit193 suggested when you first came in the channel.. thats what i linked for you way back, that you said you had tried
[04:34] <nathanesau> lol
[04:34] <nathanesau> sorry for all the trouble
[04:35] <holstein> nathanesau: no trouble.. i just thought you had already tried it.. otherwise, i would have pushed for you to try it..
[04:35]  * Unit193 setup a UEFI system once.
[04:37] <nathanesau> ok..... finally
[04:37] <nathanesau> ubuntu is really efficient
[04:37] <nathanesau> my computer is only using 10% memory
[04:37] <Unit193> (Ubuntu, or Xubuntu?)
[04:37] <nathanesau> xubuntu
[04:37] <nathanesau> but they are very similar?
[04:41] <nathanesau> anyways, ttyl
[04:41] <Unit193> Adios.
[04:41] <nathanesau> holstein why are you not an op
[05:50] <WalterN> meh
[05:51] <WalterN> when I plug in my camera and try to look at pictures, I get "Failed to mount "Canon Digital Camera""
[05:51] <WalterN> "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)."
[05:54] <SunStar> have you power cycled both devices?
[05:54] <WalterN> the camera? sure... I dont feel like turning off my computer... it has been an issue before though
[05:55] <acerimmer> WalterN, I get that too.  solved by switching from thunar to nautilus file browser.
[05:55] <WalterN> (as in, updates have happened, and the computer has restarted at least once since then)
[05:55] <WalterN> acerimmer: so I just need to install nautlius?
[05:56] <acerimmer> WalterN, um, it might be there.  it's installed by default with ubuntustudio.  run apt-cache policy nautilus
[05:57] <WalterN> installed: (none)... does that mean its not installed?
[05:57] <WalterN> :P
[05:57] <acerimmer> WalterN, that's what it means
[05:58] <WalterN> alright, lets see what happens
[05:59] <WalterN> hmm
[05:59] <WalterN> do I need to log out and log back in or something annoying like that?
[05:59] <acerimmer> WalterN, "need"?  do this; install nautilus.  then see if it'll run without reboot.
[06:00] <WalterN> yeah, it just errors the same way, only it gives me a 'something crashed' thing in the top bar
[06:01] <WalterN> enh
[06:01] <WalterN> there is a kernel update anyway
[06:02] <acerimmer> WalterN, hmm.  best to fully update perhaps.  sudo apt-get update    sudo apt-get upgrade    sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    will update your current distro
[06:02] <WalterN> whats the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[06:03] <acerimmer> WalterN, upgrade will update all currently installed package version.  dist-upgrade will update to latest package versions
[06:03] <WalterN> cause I already ran dist-upgrade
[06:03] <acerimmer> WalterN, and the kernels STILL didn't install?
[06:04] <WalterN> no, its working its magic right now
[06:04] <WalterN> done
[06:04] <WalterN> alright, rebooting
[06:09] <WalterN> back
[06:09] <acerimmer> WalterN, what's the word?
[06:10] <WalterN> that I have IRC running at the moment XD
[06:11] <WalterN> I open nautilus from the command line and select my camera, and I get the same error message
[06:11] <acerimmer> WalterN, sorry that didn't work.
[06:12] <WalterN> I guess
[06:12] <acerimmer> WalterN, suggest you google cameraname + "error code"
[06:12] <acerimmer> WalterN, or ask in the main #ubuntu channel
[06:12] <WalterN> what was that open location -> gphoto2 thing?
[06:19] <WalterN> bleh
[06:22] <WalterN> there we go
[06:22] <WalterN> gphoto2://[usb:002,004]/
[06:25] <WalterN> ffff
[06:26] <WalterN> its kinda crashy
[06:26] <WalterN> but I pulled some files off
[06:26] <WalterN> kinda a lot crashy
[10:50] <carognaverde> help, first time trying to insatll xubuntum it says critical error cannot install, and gives me access to the live mode, how from here can I check whats wrong? thanx
[10:58] <carognaverde> hello?
[11:01] <kgb> carognaverde: hi, you are not alone! ;) :) in here, I mean ;s
[11:02] <kgb> are you using the CD, or live USB, what program did you use to make it?
[11:02] <carognaverde> :)
[11:03] <kgb> this one is good http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[11:03] <kgb> err I think
[11:04] <carognaverde> xubuntu 12.10 on a usb stick
[11:05] <carognaverde> i can use it live, but wont go thru8 with the installation .......actually not even winxp would install, i guess somethings wrong on this computer but dunno what to check :)
[11:06] <kgb> oic :(
[11:07] <kgb> where does it error-out, can you get to the partitioning part? if there's no data on the disk, can you re-partition from scratch?
[11:07] <kgb> maybe it's something simple
[11:08] <carognaverde> it;s at the partitioning where it errors out
[11:08] <carognaverde> there is data on the disk, but i am happy to get rid of it :)
[11:10] <kgb> you COULD, technically, /fixboot and /fixmbr from windows.. then free up space (like at the end of the disk) for xubuntu - and then let the installer use the free space (just leaving it free, from windows disk managament, not creating any partitions for linux there)
[11:10] <carognaverde> no windows access, just this live xubuntu access
[11:10] <kgb> sry * /fixboot and /fixmbr from a windows setp/recovery disk
[11:11] <kgb> oh, so you don't even have a working windows system on it?
[11:11] <Sysi> try opening gparted while on live mode, create new partition table
[11:11] <carognaverde> exactloy
[11:11] <kgb> :(
[11:11] <kgb> im afraid to give any advice, then xD
[11:12] <Sysi> carognaverde: if creating partition table works, try creating partitions, full disk minus 1GB or something ext4 partition and a small swap partition
[11:13] <Sysi> (swap being 1GB or so that was not used ext4 partition)
[11:13] <kgb> ^ just btw., shouldn't swap = amount of RAM?..
[11:14] <Sysi> not unless you're gonna enable hibernation and use it
[11:14] <kgb> oic!..
[11:16] <kgb> afk, gl carognaverde
[12:52] <carognaverde> hello friends, back again... newbie having problems installing xubuntu (but i can get it live,,,somebody was suggesting me gparted...still here ?
[13:02] <carognaverde> oh well,. i managed to open gparted, and now I'm lost, never did a partition.....can somebody help me? :)
[13:03] <bgardner> carognaverde: What was the original problem you had installing that led you to use gparted?
[13:04] <GNUdru> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html carognaverde
[13:05] <bgardner> GNUdru: Nice tutorial
[13:06] <carognaverde> waesn't able to install xubuntu from usb, i can just acces live (that;s where I'm now), the error during installation camos at the partition moment....even windows gives me problems installing...so xubuntu live is all I've got :)
[13:18] <carognaverde> so...suggestions appreciated......shall i format one of the 2 hard drives? or safer to create a new partition on one of them?
[13:20] <carognaverde> one it says is ext2 (not mounted, other extended (not busy, there are no  mounted logical partitions)
[13:22] <bgardner> carognaverde: Do you have existing data on the drive that you are interested in protecting, or is the drive free to delete everything?
[13:23] <carognaverde> free to delete >:)
[13:24] <bgardner> carognaverde: Then I would run the installer again, choosing the option to let the installer automatically use the entire drive (removing all existing data).  If THAT still gives errors, come back here and tell us what errors you get.
[13:25] <GNUdru> + to that
[13:27] <b3rz3rk3r> hi all, I've just started getting Compton freezing the machine on login today, but it has been working fine for over a week (with rebooting) until now. How do I start to trouble shoot this?
[13:27] <carognaverde> that was giving me the error, something like the installer  enountered an unrecoverable error
[13:28] <elfy> carognaverde: did you check the iso you burnt from before you burnt it?
[13:28] <elfy> carognaverde: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[13:29] <carognaverde> the iso was good, but downloaded it long time ago, not even winxp, will install on this machine...i believe soimthing with the hard disk\
[13:30] <elfy> did gparted have any black triangles ? or exclamation marks ?
[13:31] <carognaverde> actually no...i'm thinking of starting a check on gparted, is taht a good idea?
[13:35] <elfy> well, if you have issues installing anything then I'd say you've got an issue somewhere - gparted might show you
[13:37] <carognaverde> check did not work
[13:37] <bgardner> carognaverde: Details?
[13:42] <carognaverde> GParted 0.12.1 --enable-libparted-dmraid
[13:42] <carognaverde> Libparted 2.3
[13:42] <carognaverde> Check and repair file system (ext2) on /dev/sda1  00:00:00    ( ERROR )
[13:42] <carognaverde>      	
[13:42] <carognaverde> calibrate /dev/sda1  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
[13:42] <carognaverde>      	
[13:42] <carognaverde> path: /dev/sda1
[13:42] <carognaverde> start: 2,048
[13:42] <carognaverde> end: 499,711
[13:42] <carognaverde> size: 497,664 (243.00 MiB)
[13:42] <carognaverde> check file system on /dev/sda1 for errors and (if possible) fix them  00:00:00    ( ERROR )
[13:42] <carognaverde>      	
[13:42] <carognaverde> e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1
[13:42] <carognaverde>      	
[13:42] <carognaverde> /dev/sda1 is mounted.
[13:43] <carognaverde> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
[13:43] <carognaverde> e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
[13:44] <bgardner> carognaverde: You said you were in a live USB session, right?  Did you mount the hard drive after booting up?
[13:45] <carognaverde> no
[13:46] <bgardner> carognaverde: And you're certain /dev/sda is the hard drive?
[13:47] <carognaverde> yes, i have 2, the second haRD DRIVE HAS A little arrow icon, that if i expand, says sda5 ubuntu
[13:47] <bgardner> carognaverde: Run this and paste the link it hands back: mount | pastebinit
[13:48] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774013/
[13:49] <bgardner> carognaverde: And you want to clear /dev/sda and put Ubuntu on it, is that right?
[13:49] <carognaverde> yes
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[13:50] <carognaverde> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[13:50] <carognaverde> tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
[13:50] <carognaverde> /dev/sdc on /cdrom type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[13:50] <carognaverde> /dev/loop0 on /rofs type squashfs (ro,noatime)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[13:50] <bgardner> !flood | carognaverde
[13:50] <carognaverde> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /run/user type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=104857600,mode=0755)
[13:50] <carognaverde> gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/xubuntu/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=xubuntu)
[13:50] <carognaverde> /dev/sda1 on /media/xubuntu/5b476ef0-be79-4843-bf81-9c732be49cef type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2)
[13:51] <carognaverde> my bad
[13:51] <Unit193> Thanks, just next time use a pastebin please. :)
[13:52] <carognaverde> i did,  just now learned what they do :)
[13:52] <bgardner> carognaverde: It's okay.  Okay, gparted is throwing errors because your HDD is already mounted.  Dismount it first (right click on desktop icon for sda and unmount), then try gparted again.
[13:53] <carognaverde> unmounteds, what action shall i do next on gparted?
[13:53] <bgardner> carognaverde: The same check you ran before.
[13:53] <carognaverde> check?
[13:54] <bgardner> carognaverde: Yes
[13:54] <carognaverde> error again
[13:54] <bgardner> carognaverde: paste.ubuntu.com the error?
[13:57] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774031/
[13:58] <carognaverde> shall i try formatting, or shall i try working on the second hard drive?
[13:58] <bgardner> That's the mount list again - I was looking to get the error gparted was giving you.
[13:59] <carognaverde> its the same as previous
[14:00] <bgardner> carognaverde: Then you didn't get the drive dismounted - the previous error was '/dev/sda1 is mounted'.
[14:00] <carognaverde> e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1
[14:00] <carognaverde> e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
[14:00] <carognaverde> to sum it up :)
[14:03] <bgardner> carognaverde: Either it is failing to unmount, or it is getting automatically remounted.  Make sure you don't have any extraneous windows open (close down to just irc, terminal and gparted) and work on getting /dev/sda1 dismounted.
[14:04] <bgardner> carognaverde: You can check with 'mount' at a command line.  As long as '/dev/sda1' appears in that list, gparted will fail on the test you are running, as it requires the partition to be unmounted.
[14:04] <Unit193> Should be able to   sudo umount /media/xubuntu/5b476ef0-be79-4843-bf81-9c732be49cef
[14:05] <bgardner> Yes, or sudo umount /dev/sda1
[14:05] <carognaverde> and that worked :)
[14:06] <carognaverde> great, what next? :)
[14:08] <bgardner> carognaverde: I would empty that drive - remove all the partitions.  Then, install Ubuntu on it.
[14:08] <carognaverde> with format on gparted?
[14:09] <bgardner> carognaverde: No, with 'remove partition' in gparted.
[14:09] <bgardner> carognaverde: The installer will create new partitions and format them during installation.
[14:09] <bgardner> carognaverde: Just work on getting /dev/sda to have no partitions.
[14:10] <carognaverde> i dont see..remove partition option
[14:11] <bgardner> carognaverde: Sorry, I was paraphrasing.  Been a while since I was in gparted.
[14:12] <carognaverde> :)
[14:12] <bgardner> carognaverde: Right click on the first partition in /dev/sda and tell me what options you have.
[14:13] <bgardner> carognaverde: Remember your current goal is to remove all partitions on /dev/sda - feel free to follow logical menu choices that would achieve that goal.
[14:14] <carognaverde> delete- resize/move- copy - format to - manage flags - check -label - new uuid - information
[14:15] <bgardner> carognaverde: Delete
[14:16] <carognaverde> Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use.  As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use.  You should reboot now before making further changes.
[14:17] <bgardner> carognaverde: Okay, do as it says and come back when you are back up.  We'll be here.
[14:17] <carognaverde> cancel or ignore?
[14:17] <bgardner> carognaverde: Definitely don't cancel it, this is what you have been trying to accomplish.
[14:18] <carognaverde> shall i restart? no more sda1 on gparted, its calle dunallocated
[14:19] <bgardner> carognaverde: Is /dev/sda empty now?
[14:20] <elfy> if it is - I would be inclined to reboot the live medium now
[14:20] <bgardner> I agree with elfy
[14:20] <carognaverde> and come back live, or try to install directly?
[14:20] <elfy> do the try again
[14:20] <bgardner> carognaverde: I'd install, yes
[14:20] <elfy> then connect here
[14:21] <carognaverde> tahx guys, see ya in a little
[14:21] <bgardner> carognaverde: Good luck
[14:21] <elfy> personally I'd do the try and come here and then you can double check stuff
[14:21] <bgardner> carognaverde: Yeah, let us know how it went
[14:36] <carognaverde> damn...here's the result
[14:37] <carognaverde> unrecoverable error
[14:37] <holstein> the result of??
[14:38] <bgardner> carognaverde: Which step of the installation?  Last thing it was doing?  Any details you can give would help.
[14:38] <holstein> looking back at the scroll, if that were my hardware, i would run a test on the hardware
[14:40] <carognaverde> after congratulations.....blah blah blah (the slideshow, after telling him to erase data and, it stops and says that
[14:40] <holstein> carognaverde: him?
[14:41] <holstein> if he has a bad hard drive, theres not really anything that you can do other than replace the hardware
[14:44] <carognaverde> can i try to doi something with the second hard drive?
[14:44] <bgardner> carognaverde: You can, if you want to install on it.
[14:44] <holstein> a bad hard drive would qualify as an "unrecoverable error".. other errors like that would be kernel panics with hardware support or other issues.. that would be easy to troubleshoot by booting a live CD
[14:44] <bgardner> carognaverde: Is it also a drive you are willing to empty?
[14:44] <carognaverde> yes
[14:45] <holstein> i would run some test on the drive.. i would want those tests to take over an hour
[14:45] <bgardner> carognaverde: If you want to try the other drive, then I would suggest you remove /dev/sda from your system and try your installation again.
[14:46] <holstein> you could run them from the live CD while you are booting tothe desktop there to see that the driver support is OK
[14:46] <carognaverde> am i not on a live cd? and troubleshoot is what im trying to do <:)
[14:46] <bgardner> carognaverde is currently in a live environment on a USB stick, if I remember correctly.
[14:46] <holstein> carognaverde: then, booting the live CD *is* a troubleshooting step.. one in which you can test the drives.. also, removing the drive is a great suggestion
[14:46] <carognaverde> yes
[14:47] <carognaverde> how do i test the drives?
[14:47] <holstein> carognaverde: one way is to, as bgardner suggests, remove the suspect drive, and try another.. or use diagnostic tools from the live CD
[14:48] <holstein> i keep this live CD around for diagnostics http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
[14:51] <carognaverde> what diagnostic tools do i have on here? (sorry)
[14:51] <holstein> carognaverde: what are you using? you said you are not running the live CD.. what are you running?
[14:53] <holstein> plus, im not saying you *have* a bad hard drive.. keep in mind, techs charge good money to do what im suggesting is a good troubleshooting step because its not exactly trivial..
[14:53] <carognaverde> yes,  i am running xubuntu live cd
[14:54] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343410
[14:55] <holstein> theres a GUI tool.. you can use to check the health.. but, i wouldnt waste a lot of time on it if you feel its over your head
[14:56] <holstein> the fact is, if you are booting the live CD, then the hardware support is likely fine for your machine.. a step that is failing in the installation process would logically be hard drive related.. since the hardware is loading the operating system live without any issues
[14:56] <bgardner> carognaverde: Just for fun, do this in a terminal: 'dmesg | pastebinit' and send us the resulting url.  This assumes you haven't rebooted since you got the 'unrecoverable error'.
[14:56] <holstein> unplugging the drive will do the same
[14:58] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774172/
[15:02] <holstein> yeah.. i would test the hardware
[15:02] <holstein> carognaverde: have you installed ubuntu before?
[15:04] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774172/
[15:05] <carognaverde> nope, tried a cpl of times
[15:06] <holstein> carognaverde: typically it works like this.. i boot a live CD, if the hardware seems supported well, the install takes about 8 minutes.. when it hasnt taken 8 minutes, i usually find some hardware failure.. do you have other hardware? another machin to install?
[15:07] <holstein> carognaverde: what operating system are you accustomed to?
[15:08] <carognaverde> xp
[15:09] <holstein> maybe go back to that to test the hardware. remove variables.. and linux/ubuntu for you is in itself a large variable
[15:09] <holstein> otherwise, there is a memory test on the live CD.. you boot and tap shift and choose "memtest"
[15:10] <holstein> you can use the tools i linked above to test the hard drive/drives.. or remove the drive you are using and try a different one
[15:13] <carognaverde> thanx, right now i'm installing smartmontools
[15:14] <carognaverde> then i;ll try the memtest, and next, unplugging the drive ;0
[15:15] <carognaverde> 67 minutes, to complete....in the meantime gotta go to the post office, thanx for now guys,,,,later
[15:26] <xubuntu470> spanish
[15:27] <xubuntu470> hola
[15:36] <wiredfool_> how do I disable auto url hotlinking in the terminal? help and google aren't doing it for me
[15:37] <wiredfool_> xfce4-terminal, xubuntu 12.04
[15:37] <bgardner> wiredfool_: Hang on, looking.
[15:47] <bgardner> wiredfool_: Looks like you want to modify your terminalrc file and change this option: "MiscHighlightUrls=TRUE" to FALSE
[15:47] <bgardner> wiredfool_: File is probably located at ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc
[15:48] <wiredfool_> k, checking
[15:50] <wiredfool_> looks like that did it.
[15:50] <wiredfool_> thanks
[15:50] <bgardner> wiredfool_: Sure thing, glad it worked for you
[15:50]  * wiredfool_ was sick of accidentlly visiting ftp.2013.key
[16:50] <wiredfool2> so, I was resizing and moving my main partition when booted in xubuntu 13.04 from a usb key, and gparted died: http://pastebin.com/SxNjkLb1 This does not fill me with confidence
[16:55] <wiredfool2> and, the livecd is seriously aggressive about mounting partitions, including when gparted is in the middle of operations
[18:04] <carognaverde> hi, a cpl of hrs ago i ran sudo smartctl -t long /dev/sda1, and the terminal said Please wait 67 minutes for test to complete, got back home, been more than 3 hours, no response from the terminal....anyway i can check if its done or not?
[18:08] <holstein> carognaverde: i have only used the GUI.. the hard disk tool that runs those tests
[18:08] <holstein> carognaverde: i would go to tty and see if the system is locked up or not
[18:10] <carognaverde> tty answered /dev/pts/1
[18:10] <holstein> tty answered?
[18:10] <holstein> can you switch to a tty and login?
[18:11] <carognaverde> (really dunno what it is) i typed tty in the terminal and thats what came back\
[18:11] <holstein> !tty
[18:11] <holstein> though, if you are getting a response, its not "frozen"
[18:11] <holstein> i would use a GUI tool
[18:12] <holstein> i would not waste time on other tools though, if you have another hard drive, just try it
[18:13] <Sysi> running in TTY might be better than GUI terminal
[18:13] <holstein> im talking about the GUI hard disk tool..
[18:14] <Sysi> it's just frontend to those command line tools, but might be worth trying
[18:14] <holstein> but, running it from tty would be a nice idea too.. more "stable"
[18:41] <carognaverde> every time i reboot i loose all the commands/info to solve my problem...anyway can somebody  suggest me a good way to check the health of my hard disk (that wont install xubuntu?) for those who don't know, I'm on xubuntu live
[18:50] <carognaverde> lxubuntu live keeps mounting my drive while im trying to check the drive with gtparted
[18:50] <carognaverde> somebody suggested a command earlier that really worked
[19:27] <xubuntu390> hi all
[19:27] <bgardner> Hello
[19:27] <xubuntu390> where i am ?
[19:28] <bgardner> You are in #xubuntu
[19:28] <xubuntu390> and what i can to do here ?
[19:28] <th0r> xubuntu390: not troll
[19:28] <knome> !hi | xubuntu390
[19:29] <xubuntu390> im not trolling. im currently installing my xubuntu 1304
[19:29] <xubuntu390> red nicknames its bots ?
[19:29] <xubuntu390> or admins ?
[19:30] <xubuntu390> i need some help
[19:30] <bgardner> xubuntu390: You haven't actually asked a support question yet.
[19:31] <xubuntu390> i cant play world of tanks on my xubuntu
[19:31] <xubuntu390> im using wine
[19:31] <xubuntu390> but in need libs
[19:31] <xubuntu390> i donw know how to install it
[19:31] <xubuntu390> dont*
[19:32] <xubuntu390> anybody speaking russian ?
[19:32] <xubuntu390> what a heck ?
[19:32] <xubuntu390> русские есть?
[19:33] <Pici> !ru
[19:33] <xubuntu390> !кг
[19:33] <xubuntu390> спасибо
[19:33] <th0r> if it walks like a troll, and talks like a troll....
[19:34] <xubuntu390> what a troll ?
[19:34] <xubuntu390> im using *nix first time
[19:34] <xubuntu390> okay
[19:34] <xubuntu390> bye
[19:35] <Pici> xubuntu390: #ubuntu-ru has russian speaking users
[19:57] <SoMany> I've successfully setup an FTPS server with proftpd on xubuntu. Would anyone be so kind as to check it out?
[21:00] <xubuntu270> hi, is it possible install xubuntu 13 like application to win XP? I tried install to virtual disk but no success
[21:00] <Sysi> you can use virtualbox or vmware player
[21:03] <xubuntu270> ok. i started win xp. start virtualize_this_key from usb. stoped virtualBox. created virtual disk.
[21:05] <xubuntu270> strat virtualize_this_key and this crashed. do you mean to install virtualBox on PC a start from usb ubuntu and install
[21:05] <xubuntu270> ?
[21:07] <Sysi> install virtualbox to XP  and install xubuntu from .iso image mounted to virtualbox's virtual disk drive, creating virtual disk for xubuntu
[21:08] <Sysi> you need to have 1,5GB or more ram for really doing that though
[21:08] <xubuntu270> ok. thx. last version installed like application without virtualBox.
[21:09] <Sysi> well, there's wubi but using xubuntu with it is not directly supported anymore
[21:09] <Sysi> you need to install (minimal) ubuntu ans then xubuntu-desktop
[21:09] <xubuntu270> ok. i will do it. thanks
[21:59] <Mikhail> so whats going on
[21:59] <Guest37284> this its my first time using xubuntu
[23:07] <nagev> How do I get to the password manager / seahorse in Xubuntu?  It doesn't seem to be installed by default.  Is there a password manager?
[23:07] <nagev> using 13.04
[23:50] <chunkin> hello all
[23:50] <knome> !hi | chunkin
[23:51] <chunkin> I have  a little question that google was not very helpful with
[23:51] <chunkin> is there anyway to get a global menu (like in unity) in xfce?
[23:53] <chunkin> no help?
[23:53] <pleia2> chunkin: perhaps describe what a global menu is? (we're xfce users, we don't use unity)
[23:54] <brainwashed> chunkin: there is a panel plugin to realize the global menu functionality, but it's not maintained anymore
[23:54] <chunkin> ok, well its the menus like file, edit and that stuff
[23:54] <chunkin> but its not on the window itself
[23:54] <chunkin> it is at the top
[23:54] <chunkin> brainwashed: dows it still work with xubuntu 13.04?
[23:55] <brainwashed> like in mac os
[23:55] <chunkin> yeah
[23:55] <chunkin> like mac
[23:56] <brainwashed> found it
[23:56] <brainwashed> https://launchpad.net/~the-warl0ck-1989/+archive/xfce-appmenu-plugin
[23:56] <brainwashed> sadly no packages for quantal or newer
[23:58] <chunkin> will older versions still work?
[23:58] <chunkin> this says its for gnome 2 though
[23:58] <brainwashed> http://gtk-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/146102-1.png
[23:59] <nagev> why would you want the app menu at the top of the display? It doesn't make sense to me and it's less productive as the mouse needs to be moved further.  It's another Ubuntu design failure!
[23:59] <brainwashed> haven't tried it
[23:59] <chunkin> im making a mac clone for a friend
[23:59] <pleia2> nagev: people have different preferences
[23:59] <chunkin> to introduce into linux
[23:59] <chunkin> she has only ever used mac
[23:59] <nagev> fair enough.
[23:59] <chunkin> k gtg