[12:20] <benji> Hi all, I have a branch up for review that fixes the problem with running the charm tests locally (the "TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'desired_capabilities'" excaption): https://codereview.appspot.com/10387043/
[12:22] <bac> benji: on it
[12:22] <benji> thanks
[12:22] <bac> benji: no card?
[12:23] <benji> bac: oh, it apparently didn't move; it should by in the review lane now: "packaged version of selenium doesn't work with local test-charm"
[12:24] <bac> benji: oh, i didn't recognize that card as the same issue
[12:24] <benji> I should have been more specific.
[12:24] <bac> np
[12:26] <gary_poster> benji, LGTM with doc suggestions
[12:26] <benji> gary_poster: look out, we might be asked to use this in the GUI: http://mintchaos.github.io/flippant.js/
[12:26] <benji> and thanks for the review 
[12:27] <gary_poster> benji, huh, not bad
[12:27] <gary_poster> luca__, fwiw see benji
[12:27] <gary_poster> 's link above
[12:28] <gary_poster> try the "Card" buttons
[12:29] <bac> benji: land it!
[12:29] <gary_poster> benji, something fascinating--at least in chrome, look at the "js" when it flips at the top of the page.  it leaves a little part of the j around
[12:29] <benji> heh, that is funny
[12:29] <gary_poster> I assume that's an artifact of it using opengl bits
[12:30] <benji> some sort of bounding box mis-calculation I guess
[12:30] <gary_poster> maybe.  I think the bounding box would either take a bit of the period or leave a bit of the j
[12:31] <gary_poster> assuming it has to be a rectangle
[12:40] <gary_poster> Hey luca__ , for future reference, do you know if Canonical has some kind of a shared SurveyMonkey account?
[12:42] <luca__> gary_poster: hmm, I'm not sure, I can ask Peter when he gets back from Lunch
[12:54] <gary_poster> thanks luca__ 
[13:07] <teknico> guihelp: need Javascript and jshint help with a paradoxical branch I cannot propose: lp:~teknico/juju-gui/loadfixture-no-hashes
[13:08] <rick_h> teknico: what's up?
[13:08] <teknico> i.e. the branch is ready, tests pass, but the JS spec and jshint say they should not :-)
[13:08] <teknico> rick_h: thanks, guichat? it's a bit long winded
[13:08] <rick_h> teknico: sure thing
[13:17] <abentley> orangesquad: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charmworld/related-updates/+merge/170072 ?
[13:18] <sinzui> I can take it
[13:27] <teknico> rick_h: no joy :-(
[13:27] <rick_h> teknico: really? ouch
[13:27] <teknico> rick_h: another weird thing I forgot to mention is that breakpoints on that "delete" line do not break :-o
[13:27] <rick_h> teknico: push the updated diff please. /me wants to pull it down and peek
[13:27] <rick_h> teknico: just make the line before `degugger;`
[13:28] <rick_h> that should force it
[13:28] <rick_h> err, debugger; that is
[13:28] <teknico> rick_h: pushed. I don't get what you mean
[13:29] <rick_h> teknico: if you put debugger; as a line in your code it'll force a breakpoint
[13:29] <teknico> rick_h: oh, nice and useful
[13:30] <rick_h> teknico: yea, I've got a short macro for it in vim. `bug` will enter debugger; in js, import pdb in python, etc
[13:30] <teknico> yeah, like "import pdb: pdb.set_trace()" :-)
[13:30] <rick_h> exactly
[13:32] <teknico> rick_h: still does not break :-o how can it happen that afterEach is not called in tests?
[13:33] <rick_h> teknico: oh hmm, that's strange
[13:39] <gary_poster> benji, your branch broke CI...
[13:39] <gary_poster> Running Tests
[13:39] <gary_poster> bin/test-charm: 41: bin/test-charm: virtualenv/bin/python: not found
[13:39] <gary_poster> Unable to deploy Charm.
[13:39] <benji> it is unfortunate that the highlighted download on https://launchpad.net/juju-gui/ is a developer release.  I suppose we would have to change the Development focus to "stable"
[13:39] <gary_poster> could you look into it, or find someone else to do so?
[13:40] <benji> gary_poster: darn; I saw the message but the end said that it just needed to be re-run so I figured it was a CI error not a failure.  I'll look at it now.
[13:40] <gary_poster> benji, agree with highlighted download.  had exact same thought as you, followed by "but "stable" is not our development focus!
[13:40] <gary_poster> "
[13:40] <benji> yep
[13:40] <gary_poster> but maybe from a LP perspective t is...
[13:41] <gary_poster> because for LP they are thinking of "saucy" as the development focus...
[13:41] <gary_poster> because stuff is going to be released in saucy
[13:41] <teknico> rick_h: could it be a problem with afterEach not using the done() function?
[13:41] <gary_poster> and we are going to release all of our stuff to trunk...
[13:42] <rick_h> teknico: otp atm
[13:42] <teknico> k
[13:42] <rick_h> teknico: done I think only applies if you declare done as a argument to the function
[13:42] <teknico> yeah
[13:42] <benji> gary_poster: how about we switch it and see if it works for us
[13:43] <gary_poster> benji, sure. it is just semantic AFAIK anyway.
[13:43] <gary_poster> thanks for raising benji.  you doing it, or shall I?
[13:43] <benji> gary_poster: done
[13:43] <gary_poster> thanks :-)
[13:43] <benji> the download link is right now
[13:44] <gary_poster> yay :-)
[13:44] <gary_poster> not that anyone should actually be using it, but still :-)
[13:44] <benji> gary_poster: where is that Jenkins script stored?
[13:45] <gary_poster> benji, it is in jenkins itself, and documented in https://wiki.canonical.com/CDO/Juju/GUI/CI
[13:51] <gary_poster> benji, thank you for taking bug 1178462.  hatch has some advice for this I think, fwiw (maybe simply to use YUI DD?)
[13:51] <_mup_> Bug #1178462: Can't drag a charm from the charm browser sidebar to the main canvas <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1178462>
[13:52] <benji> gary_poster: cool; I'll do a pre-imp with him when I get Jenkins sorted
[13:52] <gary_poster> cool
[13:52] <rick_h> gary_poster: benji let me know if you anything drives questions. Might be cool to add that to the widgets for charm-container or charm-token if container won't work for any reason
[13:53] <rick_h>  /cool/easy
[13:53] <gary_poster> rick_h, :-) great.  maybe pre-imp from benji with you in addition to/instead of hatch?
[13:53] <benji> rick_h: first sentence: thanks; second sentence: I don't follow. :)
[13:58] <hatch> morning
[13:58] <gary_poster> morning
[13:58] <rick_h> benji: so the things you want to make draggable for that bug are a widget called charm-token
[13:58] <gary_poster> I *think* bcsaller is back today, albeit jet-lagged
[13:59] <rick_h> benji: those are built and container in charm-container
[13:59] <rick_h> benji: man I can't type the words in my head today. charm-tokens are built and wrapped in charm-container
[13:59] <hatch> benji: http://yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/dd/proxy-drag.html
[14:02] <rick_h> hatch: can you just include a dd-node plugin on a widget and set it up during render?
[14:03]  * rick_h hasn't done dd tbh
[14:03] <teknico> hatch: hi, interested in a couple more javascript enigmas? :-)
[14:04] <hatch> rick_h: can't remember, if it's written properly then yes
[14:05] <rick_h> hatch: benji http://yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/resize/constrain-resize-plugin.html is like what I'm thinking in my head
[14:05] <rick_h> so it'd be simple to add the plugin to widgets/charm-token.js and setup the config for it. Then catch the drop event on the env
[14:05] <benji> cool
[14:06] <hatch> heh...nothing is simple wrt the env :P
[14:06] <rick_h> hatch: ok, well I'm hoping the widget work into the charm-token will make the drag part easy then :P
[14:06] <hatch> yeah it should be *crosses fingers*
[14:07] <rick_h> at laest it was part of the master plan back when we started it lol
[14:07] <hatch> suuuuuure it was ;)
[14:08] <gary_poster> rick_h, hatch, benji, something both clean and expedient should be ideal.  If there's some way of taking advantage of hatch's DD knowledge/experience, +1.  If tying this into the widget code slows things down significantly, -1.
[14:09] <benji> sounds good
[14:09] <gary_poster> thanks
[14:09] <hatch> I don't really foresee any issues with it pending that there isn't any obscure issues with D3
[14:12] <teknico> hatch: I see my offer does not thrill you. I can understand that. :-)
[14:13] <bac> benji: are you still looking at the jenkins failure?
[14:13] <benji> bac: yep
[14:13] <hatch> teknico:  hah sorry I didn't see that
[14:13] <bac> benji: i see that lp:juju-gui has no development branch set.
[14:13] <bac> benji: so i cannot 'bzr branch lp:juju-gui'
[14:13] <hatch> teknico: what was the path again?
[14:13] <bac> i think that may be significatnt
[14:13] <teknico> lp:~teknico/juju-gui/loadfixture-no-hashes
[14:13] <hatch> ok looking
[14:13] <teknico> hatch: ^^
[14:13] <benji> bac: that may be a side-effect of me setting the "development focus" to stable
[14:14] <benji> if so, we may have to set it back
[14:14] <teknico> hatch: it needs explanation, though
[14:14] <bac> benji: ok.
[14:14] <benji> we did that so the latest download would be the right thing
[14:14] <bac> benji: but it appears to have been unset
[14:14] <bac> benji: witnesseth https://code.launchpad.net/juju-gui
[14:15] <hatch> teknico: ok it's just checking out and making now
[14:15] <teknico> hatch: I'm in guichat
[14:15] <hatch> gary_poster: just fyi I finished the conflict prototype last night so I can demo it after I'm done with teknico
[14:16] <gary_poster> hatch, great!
[14:16] <benji> bac: oh, I know what's wrong.  Try it now.
[14:22] <gary_poster> FWIW, there's a newly available high priority card in story 1, jujugui
[14:23] <benji> gary_poster: do you mean "Story A"?
[14:23] <gary_poster> benji, oh sorry yes, story A
[14:24] <gary_poster> thanks
[14:24]  * benji adds "Story Alpha", "Story I", and "Story 1st" sections.
[14:24] <gary_poster> :-P
[14:25] <jcsackett> luca__: do you have a moment to chat?
[14:25] <luca__> jcsackett: via a hangout?
[14:25] <jcsackett> luca__: indeed.
[14:25] <luca__> jcsackett: sure, send me a link :)
[14:26] <jcsackett> luca__: open google+, an invite should arrive in a moment.
[14:26] <frankban> gary_poster: thanks for the review. re deploy(), perhaps I could add a flag (check_deployed) to ensure the service is ready after the call?
[14:27] <gary_poster> frankban, would be fine, or just add a comment in the deploy method about the limitation and we fix it later if someone needs to?
[14:27] <frankban> gary_poster: +1 on fixing it later if required
[14:27] <gary_poster> cool
[14:28] <abentley> orangesquad: Can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charmworld/remove-api-1/+merge/170097 ?
[14:29]  * sinzui takes it
[14:31] <bac> benji: yes, that works.  thanks
[14:31] <benji> cool
[14:34] <sinzui> abentley, r=me
[14:34] <abentley> sinzui: Thanks.
[14:37] <hatch> gary_poster: done with teknico, did you want me to demo now?
[14:37] <gary_poster> hatch, yeah!  guichat?
[14:37] <hatch> yup
[14:38] <sinzui> abentley, about that short_url issue on the missing page. While ingest did not provide the attr, I can make every listed charm because I know the owner, series, and name
[14:39] <sinzui> abentley, Maybe the model should make the short_url if it has those three parts. Maybe ingest never needs to make it since the pages are the only users of the attr
[14:39] <abentley> sinzui: +1
[14:45] <benji> arg, once more unto the (Jenkins) breach
[14:54] <hatch> wb bcsaller
[14:55] <bcsaller> Thank you
[15:01] <gary_poster> bcsaller, hi
[15:01] <gary_poster> glad you are back
[15:02] <gary_poster> alejandraobregon, luca__ where are we meeting?
[15:02] <bcsaller> yeah, I'll need to get caught up
[15:02] <luca__> gary_poster: just added a hangout to the meeting
[15:02] <gary_poster> bcsaller, everything is in ClojureScript now
[15:02] <bcsaller> sounds about right
[15:04] <hatch> bcsaller: actually we told gary_poster it was Clogure but really it's C#
[15:04] <gary_poster> lol
[15:04] <hatch> haha
[15:04] <rick_h> Monooooooooooooooooooooooo
[15:05] <hatch> haha you have the right idea
[15:05] <hatch> I don't think there is anything more confusing as to the difference between c# and Mono
[15:05] <hatch> I don't even think people who code C# know
[15:05] <hatch> :P
[15:05] <rick_h> heh, got a buddy that did C# for a long time and loved Mono since it was often ahead of C# implementing features in the languages spec
[15:06] <hatch> yeah then you throw .NET in there
[15:06] <hatch> and you have no idea what class is from where
[15:06] <hatch> :)
[15:06] <hatch> my biggest gripe is that they have utility methods that start with caps
[15:06] <hatch> and that they have two different methods to loop through multidimensional arrays
[15:12] <abentley> sinzui: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charmworld/fix-commits-in-past-30-days/+merge/170108 ?
[15:12]  * sinzui looks
[15:13] <sinzui> abentley, r=me
[15:14] <benji> I suck.  Forgotten "bzr add".  Trying Jenkins again.
[15:14] <abentley> sinzui: Thanks.
[15:18] <abentley> sinzui: Any idea what this means? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/charmworld-merger-trunk/335/console
[15:19] <sinzui> abentley, I think the instance restarted
[15:20] <abentley> sinzui: Oh.
[15:20] <hatch> Does this mean that I'm the idiot? http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-06-18 lol
[15:20] <hatch> ^ gary_poster
[15:20] <gary_poster> on call will look
[15:21] <sinzui> hatch, possibly. I decided not to compete with all the brain power in the room. I choose to out dress them.
[15:21] <hatch> haha
[15:23] <sinzui> My wife asked my why I was wearing a polka-dotted tie with a flowered shirt a few months ago. I replied, "Baby, I'm going into a meeting of alpha males. My only hope show dominance by power clashing."
[15:24] <hatch> haha - I wonder if this phenomenon will catch on
[15:53] <hatch> jujugui call in 7, kanban now
[15:57] <bac> teknico: hey can you do a quick review of https://codereview.appspot.com/10395043 before you EOD?  it is exposing use-analytics in the charm.
[15:57] <teknico> bac: will do
[15:59] <hatch> jujugui call now
[16:00] <gary_poster> jujugui almost there
[16:01] <bac> thx teknico
[16:01] <abentley> sinzui: In terms of my changes, r273 is deployable.
[16:01] <sinzui> fab, I will make the formal request
[16:02] <rick_h> thanks abentley!
[16:24] <bac> teknico: branch looks good
[16:24] <teknico> bac: thanks, your one too :-)
[16:25] <bac> excellent news.  i think i'll celebrate with lunch.
[16:26] <gary_poster> hatch, you available to show off your prototype soon to luca__ if he is available?
[16:27] <teknico> frankban: branch approved, how about a look at mine? :-)
[16:27] <hatch> just in a call with Ben right now so we can stop whenever
[16:27] <gary_poster> ok thanks hatch
[16:27] <gary_poster> luca__, you available for a call about the inspector?
[16:27] <luca__> gary_poster: sure
[16:27] <luca__> gary_poster: guichat?
[16:28] <gary_poster> I think it is full luca__ , one sec
[16:28] <benji> rick_h and/or hatch: do you have a minute for a pre-imp on the drag-and-drop?
[16:28] <gary_poster> hatch, bcsaller do you mind if luca__ and I crash your party in guichat for a few minutes?
[16:28] <rick_h> benji: I can, but I think hatch would be good since I can only speak to our widget side and not full DD
[16:28] <bcsaller> thats fine
[16:28] <rick_h> benji: sounds like hatch is tied up atm
[16:28] <gary_poster> come on by luca__ 
[16:29] <rick_h> benji: but I can background the widgets if that's helpful 
[16:29] <benji> rick_h: verbing weirds language
[16:29] <benji> :P
[16:30] <rick_h> benji: "I can provide background on the widgets if that's helpful"?
[16:30] <benji> rick_h: the regular hangout is busy, I'll make a new one
[16:30] <rick_h> benji: rgr
[16:30] <frankban> teknico: thanks, I'll do
[16:32] <benji> rick_h: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1a34cdb70051a661112a75e12dd50779a5e2a0a4?hl=en
[16:50] <sinzui> abentley, r273 is deployed
[17:17] <hatch> benji: rick_h ok I'm available again, am I sitll needed or are you guys O K?
[17:20] <hatch> guessing ok :)
[17:32] <hatch> what do we do if we forget our password to the canonical admin ?
[17:35] <rick_h> hatch: we get lastpass
[17:36] <hatch> lol this was pre-lastpass
[17:38] <rick_h> hatch: not sure, check the wiki and then I'd check with #is I guess. 
[17:39] <hatch> alright will try is
[17:44] <sinzui> orangesquad, any available to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charmworld/charm-model-cruft/+merge/170151
[17:50] <rick_h> abentley: I'm always getting has_icon = false in the api atm. the mysql charm in here I believe should have one? 
[17:50] <rick_h> sinzui: I can look
[17:52] <bac> jujugui: anyone have time for a second review of https://codereview.appspot.com/10395043 ?
[17:53] <Makyo> bac, sure
[17:53] <bac> ty
[17:56] <rick_h> sinzui: conflict in the file fyi
[17:56] <sinzui> oh dear
[17:56] <rick_h> sinzui: heh, nothing major. 
[17:59] <rick_h> sinzui: r=me otherwise
[18:00] <abentley> rick_h: looking...
[18:01] <sinzui> thanks rick. I thought I had already merged abentley's api1 removal...but the MP clear shows I did not
[18:07] <abentley> rick_h: Okay, I know what I did wrong.  Will be a trivial fix.
[18:07] <sinzui> orangesquad, one of you just tested staging. You got a 500, but that is because we have a 4040 logic
[18:07] <rick_h> abentley: cool thanks. Did you want me to file a bug/card?
[18:07] <abentley> rick_h: Nah, I will take care of it.
[18:07] <rick_h> abentley: thanks
[18:08] <abentley> sinzui: That was me.  I'm surprised, because I thought the API handled that case.
[18:08] <sinzui> abentley, no, I used it as a test case for something a few weeks ago. I reported a bug, but set it aside until charm model was done
[18:10] <sinzui> abentley, this is bug roughly matches the TB I just got in my email: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworld/+bug/1174466
[18:10] <_mup_> Bug #1174466: bad URLs cause 500 errors where 404s would be expected <api> <oops> <charmworld:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174466>
[18:21] <abentley> sinzui: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charms/precise/charmworld/worker-interval/+merge/170127 ?
[18:22] <sinzui> sure
[18:23] <sinzui> abentley, r=me
[18:24] <sinzui> abentley, I think we need an rt to get production to update the charm. They can do that when we do the next rollout of m.jc.com
[18:24] <abentley> sinzui: Sounds good.
[18:24] <abentley> orangesquad: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charmworld/fix-has-icon/+merge/170159
[18:25] <jcsackett> abentley: looking.
[18:25] <jcsackett> abentley: r=me.
[18:35] <abentley> jcsackett: Thanks!
[18:37] <hatch> bcsaller: when you were investiaging canvas for the env did you see http://paperjs.org/ ? It's for doing vector in canvas
[18:38]  * hatch isn't saying we should switch :)
[18:38] <bcsaller> hatch: I'd seen that before, but a long time ago, not in the recent search
[18:38] <hatch> http://paperjs.org/examples/hit-testing/ see this for an env like demo
[18:39] <hatch> I was doing some canvas research this weekend (for fun, cuz apparently I'm a nerd) and came across that
[18:39] <bcsaller> its pretty cool
[18:40] <hatch> yeah, I am still pretty sure svg is the right thing for us...but with this it removes the argument about vector sizing
[18:45] <abentley> sinzui: ever seen anything like this? https://pastebin.canonical.com/93040/
[18:46] <sinzui> abentley, never
[18:46] <sinzui> abentley, but I just issues the command and got it.
[18:46] <sinzui> abentley, I issued the same command a few hours ago and saw staging was lovely
[18:46] <abentley> sinzui: Oh, maybe I'm somehow misconfigured.
[18:47] <sinzui> abentley, This is the timestamp from my last successful run:
[18:47] <sinzui> 2013-06-18 08:49:10,238
[18:47] <sinzui> I think that is EDT
[18:48] <abentley> sinzui: So you're saying you get the same error as me, right?
[18:48] <sinzui> I do now
[18:49] <abentley> sinzui: Okay, I'm going to try restarting zk
[18:50] <abentley> sinzui: Oh, I can't ssh to machine 0, because I get the same error.  Do you have the ip address of machine 0?
[18:51] <sinzui> I do, let me past the status from 6 hours
[18:51] <sinzui> abentley, https://pastebin.canonical.com/93041/
[18:52] <abentley> sinzui: Thanks.
[18:59] <abentley> sinzui: restarting ZK didn't help.  Rebooting the machine didn't help.
[18:59] <sinzui> :?
[18:59] <sinzui> :/
[19:01] <sinzui> abentley, do you think webops would know about this? canonistack might throwing a wobbly?
[19:02]  * hazmat backlogs
[19:02] <abentley> sinzui: I don't think it's likely.  It looks like a juju/ZK problem.
[19:03] <hazmat> hatch, bcsaller paper.js is fun  rn
[19:03] <hazmat> abentley, is this an ops setup or staging?
[19:04] <abentley> hazmat: staging.
[19:04] <hazmat> abentley, not being able to connect to status isn't zk/juju but object storage and local config
[19:04] <hazmat> find zk is before it even connects to zk
[19:05] <hazmat> its trying to query object storage for the control bucket and parse where the zk/instance is
[19:05] <abentley> hazmat: Okay, so object storage then, because neither sinzui nor I had this before today, now both do.
[19:05] <hazmat> abentley, the empty string  at the end of the error msg is suspect
[19:06] <hazmat> abentley, if you have swift tools can you do an ls on the bucket?
[19:06] <hazmat> client tools that is
[19:06] <hazmat> abentley, or alternatively pastebin the bucket name
[19:06] <hazmat> er. priv msg
[19:11] <hatch> hazmat: I'm not really sure what to make of that statement :)
[19:12] <hazmat> abentley, sinzui i get internal server error on swift..
[19:12] <hazmat> don't think i can help
[19:12] <sinzui> thank you for playing hazmat
[19:12] <sinzui> abentley, the nuclear option?
[19:13] <abentley> hazmat: Can you give us a pastebin we can give to is?
[19:14] <hazmat> abentley,  could just be an account issue for me .. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5778053/
[19:14] <hazmat> i've had other issues with swift on canonistack in the last two months
[19:14] <abentley> hazmat: okay, thanks.
[19:18] <hazmat> hatch, paper.js seems really nice at interactivity and modeling a scene graph. i've seen it before but  after i think after d3 got sold for gui, i had hoped we could use more d3 builtins at the time and when it was basically d3 vs raphael.
[19:19] <hatch> ahh
[19:19] <hazmat> the degree of interactivity reminds of a much improved processing.js.. ie. twould be nice for games as well
[19:21] <abentley> sinzui: hrm.  The bucket seems to be missing for me: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5778076/
[19:21] <sinzui> oh.
[19:21]  * sinzui tries
[19:26] <sinzui> abentley, I agree swift has issues.
[19:27] <hatch> hazmat: yeah I was thinking about how hard it would be to put a gameloop with paperjs
[19:28] <abentley> sinzui: swift issues are now reported in #is.
[19:32] <hatch> hazmat: there are of course a number of other canvas game frameworks including impact.js
[19:34] <sinzui> orangesquad, I have a short branch to fix an oops seen on staging today: https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charmworld/no-handler-is-404/+merge/170176
[19:34] <abentley> sinzui: looking.
[19:35] <abentley> sinzui: r=me.
[19:35] <sinzui> thank you abentley
[19:37] <sinzui> abentley, I think staging was up for 11 days this time, and it wasn't elastic search dying.
[19:38] <abentley> sinzui: Right.  We may hope that elasticsearch no-startiness is a thing of the past.
[19:38] <sinzui> abentley, and we haven't see the ES restart issue since we switched to 0.90.0.release. I ponder changing the bug to incomplete
[19:39] <abentley> sinzui: +1
[20:10] <hatch> this is my third MS Ergo 4000 keyboard, and on every single one the alt key stops working lol
[20:53] <hatch> awesome new Android humble bundle http://www.humblebundle.com/
[20:55] <bac> gary_poster: huw should be working in a bit, no?
[20:55] <gary_poster> bac, he starts in about 1.5 to 2 hours
[20:56] <bac> gary_poster: ok, cool, just checking to make sure he was not out.  in that case, i think i'll go dog walk and check back later to talk to him about css tweaks
[20:56] <gary_poster> sounds good bac, thanks.  have a nice evening
[21:01] <Makyo> Cute. https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/347070841059692545/photo/1
[21:03] <hatch> lol what's it an add for?
[21:04] <Makyo> No idea, just saw it pop up earlier :)
[21:13]  * Makyo dogwalk
[21:16] <hatch> databinding conflict resolution prototype review https://codereview.appspot.com/10397045/ bcsaller gary_poster
[21:18] <hatch> bcsaller: I kept the code pretty close to pre our discussion so feel free to put those notes on the review as we discussed
[21:19] <gary_poster> hatch, taking a glance, but must run very soon
[21:20] <hatch> np, thanks
[21:23] <gary_poster> hatch, why deleted?
[21:23] <gary_poster>  if (this.model) {this.unbind();}
[21:23] <hatch> guichat real quick?
[21:23] <gary_poster> in BindingEngine.prototype._bind
[21:23] <gary_poster> heh, *really* quick, ok
[22:08] <hatch> pssst anyone here?
[22:41] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[22:41] <huwshimi> hatch: Morning
[22:41] <huwshimi> (evening)
[22:42] <hatch> :) how are things?
[22:45] <huwshimi> hatch: Good, lots to do!
[22:58] <bac> hi huwshimi