[19:43] <delac> On Raring (+ GNOME3 PPA) using gnome-session-fallback 3.8.0-0ubuntu1~raring1. But wasn't it announced that 3.8 would not have fallback mode? Does anyone know if that decision has been reverted or why there is such backage on GNOME3 PPA?
[19:48] <bjsnider> i thought fallback was deceased too
[19:48] <bjsnider> you have the classic mode available
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> delac: You have to install gnome-shell-extensions to enable classic mode. Fallback is dead, RIP. Want GNOME 2? Try MATE
[19:49] <delac> yes, that is what I thought. So WHY does it still exist?
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> delac: No one thought to remove it...?
[19:52] <delac> SonikkuAmerica: more like: why did they make 3.8 version of it if they plan to remove the thing?
[19:52] <jbicha> delac: what do you mean "breakage"?
[19:52] <delac> jbicha: what?
[19:52] <tommie-lie> jbicha: "backage" = "package"
[19:53] <tommie-lie> not breakage
[19:53] <delac> delac: sry, typo
[19:53] <jbicha> ah, well gnome-panel still sort of works and some people like it
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: There are all sorts of nice white polygons where stuff used to be...
[19:53] <jbicha> some people like white polygons ;)
[19:54] <delac> so someone just repackaged the 3.6 version and hoped it would work?
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> What about white polygons that hide crucial GNOME tasks?
[19:55] <jbicha> are you using Metacity (No Effects) or Compiz?
[19:55] <delac> jbicha: compiz
[19:56] <jbicha> you're welcome to file bugs for things that don't work as Edubuntu is still attempting to ship gnome-panel by default; the problem is that it need developers but the developers are all working on GNOME Shell, Unity or other stuff
[19:57] <delac> jbicha: so the package is not really maintained anymore and probably removed as soon as it stops working?
[19:58] <jbicha> it's minimally maintained but no it won't be removed as long as Edubuntu still uses it
[19:59]  * SonikkuAmerica wonders why Edubuntu won't ship MATE
[19:59] <jbicha> the bugs in general are fixable; it just needs developers that care
[20:01] <jbicha> I believe MATE is just as broken (semi-working) with GNOME 3.8; MATE also has bugs of its own but more importantly isn't in Debian or Ubuntu yet
[20:02] <jbicha> if all you need is gnome-panel & related pieces, then gnome-panel 3.6/3.7 is a lot better and easier to maintain than a complete gnome2 fork
[20:21] <bjsnider> delac, why not use gnome-shell with the classic extensions?
[20:37] <delac> bjsnider: I have a custom setup built around compiz expo plugin that I like very much. But I'm going to migrate to Gnome Shell probably sooner than later due to other reasons.
[20:38] <bjsnider> gnome-shell does the same thing as the expo plugin in overview mode
[20:39] <delac> bjsnider: not quite
[20:40] <delac> delac: but I think it might be possible to create plugin so that it did
[22:07] <n0yd> hey guyds
[22:08] <n0yd> any of the regulars around? A;ll my normal stuff is working, but I just added the cinnmon ppa (i have lots of ppas), and I am running to depenendcy hell that I fcannoyt figure it out
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> n0yd: Oh hello
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> n0yd: Dependency hell? Pastebin please :)
[22:09] <n0yd> one sec
[22:10] <n0yd> Here is the pastebin
[22:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Where?
[22:11] <n0yd> Bascially., i use gnome30ubuntu as my nomrm al DE/WM, b but I also use nemo as myu FM. Wel;l oi figured why not add the [ppa for nightlies of cinnamon fror shgit and giggles
[22:11] <n0yd> http://pastebin.com/MyH7hzXs
[22:11] <n0yd> doh, my bad
[22:11] <n0yd> :P
[22:11] <n0yd> ubuntu-gnome*
[22:15] <jbicha> you don't need that ppa to use nemo since nemo is available in raring now
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> A solution seems to be to install caribou along with it, even though it's not supposed to be a dependency.
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2116217&p=12511255#post12511255
[22:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Post by none other than jbicha himself.
[22:44] <jbicha> if you want to use cinnamon and GNOME 3.8 I believe you'll need to upgrade to saucy
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: Huh? I use GNOME 3.8 with Raring with barely a problem. (The problem being with Ubuntu Tweak.)
[22:46] <delac> what problem there is with Tweak?
[22:47] <delac> any way to make Shell lighter for netbooks? Maybe disable some animations?
[22:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Tweak won't draw.
[22:51] <delac> does not seem to be problem from me. (only problem is that the Tweak window is too high for my 1024x600 netbook screen)
[23:16] <delac> hmm, are automatic extension updates in 3.8 or is this still on planning?