[00:06] <phillw> stgraber: thanks, it works with your instructions. I've never live mounted an ISO before (except with grub). But, as it is there, I'm as much confused as before as to why it has stopped working.
[02:11] <phillw> I'm out of ideas, but now I'm getting shouted at.... ZRam is NOT in the daily build regardless of what the logs say.
[02:12] <phillw> WHy is zRAM removed from the daily build? Is it a mistake, was the idea
[02:12] <phillw> to test zRAM only a few days, or did someone find something really bad
[02:12] <phillw> with it?
[02:13] <infinity> No one removed anything.
[02:13] <phillw> I'l leave that with you good people... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1192005
[02:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1192005 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "zram-config is not enabled by default on saucy-desktop-i386 17-Jun daily build" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:14] <phillw> infinity: I've now had it from two testers.... that is enough for me to 'see' something has gone wrong? What else is needed :'(
[02:14] <infinity> phillw: This isn't an ubuntu-release thing, please talk to your own engineers to see what's going on.
[02:15] <phillw> infinity: when was the last meta package for lubuntu updated? If it is a fault by Julien, I'll go nag him!
[02:17] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta
[02:17] <phillw> Evidently, what is on the daily launchpad list is not the same as what gets fed into the seed.
[02:18] <stgraber> please go and talk to someone who's in charge of the technical side of lubuntu, as quite a few people have been telling you now, it's not an #ubuntu-release issue
[02:18] <phillw> you guys know when lubuntu changes the seed list, it is on a seperate area
[02:18] <infinity> phillw: That version of lubuntu-desktop is on the CDs, and so is zram-config.
[02:18] <stgraber> and it very likely has absolutely nothing to do with seeds as the package and files quite clearly are on your images, why zram-config doesn't work is a whole other question which is best answered by one of your technical guys
[02:18] <phillw> stgraber: I'm just trying to learn... I'm sorry if that is annoying for you.
[02:19] <infinity> phillw: The bug reporter, however, has "Package: lubuntu-desktop 0.48" installed.
[02:19] <infinity> phillw: So, it's an out-of-date image.
[02:19] <stgraber> phillw: I'm fine with people learning, but using a release communication channel full of people who don't necessarily have a whole lot of interest in Lubuntu isn't quite the right place for this
[02:19] <infinity> stgraber: It's not zram-config not working, it's a tester using an old image.
[02:20] <infinity> phillw: ^
[02:20] <infinity> phillw: This is not a learning channel.  We have channels for that.
[02:20] <stgraber> infinity: ah yeah, that'd explain it too ;) phillw has repeatedly been saying that this was on today's image, I was (apparently wrongly) assuming that he at least made sure this was the case
[02:21] <infinity> LiveMediaBuild: Lubuntu 13.10 "Saucy Salamander" - Alpha i386 (20130607)
[02:21] <infinity> phillw: So, all the info you needed was right there in the bug report.
[02:21] <infinity> phillw: Including the build date of the ISO, and the old version of the meta package.
[02:24] <phillw> infinity: Hmm, well, that's one person I instructed to zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20130617/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync and one more who has stumbled upon it. I'm really sorry for this. I'll go back and check what the heck is going on. They both know how to pull in the latest ISO's (as is evident with them reporting a glitch with the most recent one).
[02:31] <phillw> infinity: just by the way, which learning channel should I be using? I had wrongly assumed that I "had my head round" how the dailies are built and mistakeingly thought this was the channel to learn about them on. May I once again humbly apologise.
[02:36] <infinity> phillw: Well, for starters, this had nothing to do with how the ISOs are built, just with reading a bug report.
[02:37] <infinity> phillw: But #ubuntu, possibly #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu-motu.  I'm not sure where best to ask these questions.  But the temptation to ask all your questions here because this is where the cool kids hang out doesn't help us get actual work done.
[02:39] <TheDrums> -motu isn't really right either.
[02:39] <infinity> No, probably not.  It's mostly packaging oriented.
[02:39] <phillw> infinity: with the greatest of respect... http://pastebin.com/jH62bLJF
[02:39] <infinity> -bugs, perhaps, but I don't hang out there, I'm not sure what they do.
[02:40] <infinity> phillw: yes, and?  That's clearly not the ISO the person installed and reported the bug from.
[02:40] <phillw> it is
[02:41] <infinity> phillw: It's not.  We could argue this all day, or you can tell him to rewrite his CD or USB key and try harder.
[02:41] <infinity> phillw: I can pretty clearly see the contents of today's daily, and that it contains newer packages than what the bug is filed against.  He didn't install something that magically downgraded his packages.
[02:42] <infinity> phillw: So, as much fun as it is to argue incessantly, please don't.
[02:43] <stgraber> phillw: https://www.stgraber.org/download/lubuntu-zram.png
[02:43] <phillw> infinity: thanks! At least I know where the problem is... And, very sadly, it is only on here I can get deffinate answers. I do try to avoid 'bugging' you good people, as I know you have better things to do. I'll try to leave you all in peace:)
[02:44] <stgraber> that's a screenshot of the exact image you linked earlier, showing a VM running with zram started and 1GB of swap configured as a result
[02:44] <stgraber> can we now please stop that argument and get back to doing productive things
[02:44] <phillw> stgraber: several people (testers) are going to get 'barked' at :)
[02:45] <infinity> phillw: You don't need to come here for answers, you could have read the bug report.
[02:45] <infinity> phillw: Please, we're not your personal resource for these sorts of things.  Pretty please.  With sugar on top.
[02:46] <TheDrums> You're actually doing more to hurt Lubuntu, as people will remember events like this and not be nearly as willing to help...
[02:47] <phillw> infinity: I was dealing with the OP to get him to file a bug report, it did not enter my head after my telling him to zsync up that he would be using an old image.... In all honesty, would you have expected that?  I will double check next ime.
[02:47] <phillw> *next time*
[02:48] <infinity> I suspect I would have expected it, or I wouldn't have gone looking.
[02:48] <infinity> Well, I started by checking the manifest to see what version of lubuntu-desktop and zram-config were on the ISO.
[02:48] <infinity> Then I noted that the bug report had an older desktop.
[02:48] <infinity> And checked the other bits.
[02:48] <infinity> But it's all there.
[02:48] <infinity> And didn't need an "expert" to diagnose.
[02:48] <infinity> Just someone who can compare integers.
[02:48] <infinity> Which, it turns out, is nearly everyone over five.
[02:51] <phillw> Yeah, maybe better if I do not ask questions on here.. Sorry for taking your time up.
[06:09] <infinity> stgraber: queuebot is wedged again.
[07:07] <didrocks> infinity: hey, what would it take to have the daily-build ppa building including -proposed?
[07:07] <didrocks> (not talking about upstream CI, it's their own willingness to not take it for now)
[07:13] <infinity> didrocks: Just tick the box on the PPA dependencies page?
[07:14] <infinity> didrocks: +edit-dependencies
[07:14] <didrocks> infinity: waow, that was easy! Thanks :)
[07:16] <infinity> didrocks: No problem.  I feel like I've been useful today now. :P
[07:16] <didrocks> infinity: roh, happy to help you having this feeling then :-)
[08:53] <sil2100> Hi
[08:53] <sil2100> infinity: ping!
[12:57] <stgraber> infinity: restarted, will have to look into the actual cause at some point... it's been rock solid for months last cycle but not so much this one...
[15:51] <infinity> sil2100: Pong?
[15:52] <sil2100> infinity: unping!
[17:32] <bdmurray> infinity / cjwatson: dogfood is timing out for me regularly perhaps due to pending publications like https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/amd64/libxen-dev.  Is there a way via the API I can delete them?
[17:36] <bdmurray> Does requestDeletion work with pending publications?
[17:42] <cjwatson> Keep trying - dogfood's db is very slow
[17:44] <bdmurray> I've been trying although not in really quick succession
[17:58] <bdmurray> and in quick succession it is still timing out
[17:59] <cjwatson> There may not be much we can do about it on dogfood
[17:59] <cjwatson> requestDeletion should work
[18:03] <bdmurray> okay, I'll try deleting some of the pending publications then
[18:03] <bdmurray> thanks!
[18:05] <bdmurray> oh, cjwatson were you going to submit a bug about copy package and phased update percentage or should I do that?
[18:05] <cjwatson> oh, er, I keep meaning to but I have to go for dinner now; if you wouldn't mind that'd be great
[18:05] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay, I'll subscribe you in case I butcher it
[18:06] <cjwatson> ta :)
[20:57] <rtg_> infinity, please NEW the tools binaries for linux-manta
[22:23]  * Noskcaj is away: school