| advancedgarde | I just had a look at the stats for this channel, they're really cool! | 00:41 |
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| advancedgarde | I've never seen anything like that on a IRC before. | 00:41 |
| Azelphur | haha, afaik they are generated by a tool called pisg, it's open source and you can run it on any channel. | 00:44 |
| popey | Good morning | 07:22 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 07:30 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I run pisg on another channel, all you need is constant logs | 07:50 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:55 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:13 |
| popey | Yes! | 08:14 |
| bigcalm | Well, I'm glad to be so right for a change | 08:14 |
| mungbean | anyone know how to change keybindings in non-unity distros? | 08:16 |
| popey | http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ | 08:17 |
| bigcalm | It amuses me that the image is flipped | 08:19 |
| mungbean | need to try to remap the super+L command | 08:20 |
| bigcalm | To lock the system? | 08:21 |
| bigcalm | Aka windows | 08:21 |
| mungbean | yesh | 08:21 |
| mungbean | gnome-screensaver is buggy so i had to replace it with sxcreensaver | 08:22 |
| mungbean | but now super+L no longer works | 08:22 |
| bigcalm | I think I did it when I used to use xubuntu (xfce) | 08:23 |
| bigcalm | Now idea how though :) | 08:23 |
| neuro | send it back and get a refund | 08:23 |
| * popey ponders breakfast | 08:23 | |
| * neuro has already pondered | 08:23 | |
| popey | poached eggs on a toasted bagel I think | 08:24 |
| * popey wanders off | 08:24 | |
| neuro | 2x rolls with square+links sausage | 08:24 |
| neuro | + le tea | 08:24 |
| * bigcalm looks at his waist line and hears his tummy grumble | 08:24 | |
| neuro | heh | 08:25 |
| SuperMatt | Rice Krispies is what I had | 08:27 |
| dwatkins | I had a cup of tea. | 08:28 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all, happy Autistic Pride Day! :-D | 08:31 |
| mungbean | anyone running gnome3? | 08:32 |
| neuro | happy autistic what now? | 08:33 |
| mungbean | ubuntu one "a file is no longer published" when trying to publish a screnshot :S | 08:33 |
| * popey points mungbean at JamesTait | 08:33 | |
| popey | (for u1, not g3) | 08:34 |
| JamesTait | Where do you see that message, mungbean? | 08:34 |
| mungbean | in the indicator | 08:34 |
| * neuro has googled (or more accurately has duckducked) and is wondering why 18th June ... | 08:35 | |
| mungbean | usually says "file puslibhsed at url" | 08:35 |
| popey | I didnt think this whole "poached egg on a dough product with a hole in the middle" thing through | 08:35 |
| mungbean | i can try killing some daemons | 08:35 |
| neuro | puslibhsed ... has someone gotten their translations for English (UK) in a twist? :> | 08:35 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 08:35 |
| mungbean | re my keyboard issue,wonder if other peope are missing the optino to add custom shortcuts: http://i.imgur.com/nucW7Km.png | 08:35 |
| neuro | WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT IT | 08:35 |
| popey | poached eggs are good about it | 08:36 |
| neuro | my cup of tea is depleted, no more good can come from this day | 08:36 |
| popey | i have double-size mugs here for daytime cofee | 08:37 |
| popey | thinking they should make triple size mugs | 08:37 |
| neuro | they're called "jugs" | 08:37 |
| brobostigon | or buckets. | 08:37 |
| neuro | or barrels | 08:38 |
| JamesTait | popey, I think I'm with you on that. | 08:39 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, I don't really know about the indicator, but I imagine it just uses our REST API. You're best off asking in #ubuntuone when the desktop guys arrive in a couple of hours. | 08:40 |
| mungbean | ok, not a common error then i guess, i'll try later ta | 08:40 |
| mungbean | is the free limit 4 or 5 gb? | 08:41 |
| JamesTait | 5GB | 08:41 |
| mungbean | i was using exactly 4.0gb so was suspicious | 08:41 |
| mungbean | publishing does work via teh website | 08:42 |
| neuro | i didn't even notice that google had gone a bit generous and effectively bumped up storage limits for gmail by unifying gmail+drive storage | 08:42 |
| neuro | which was nice, as my gafyd mailbox was pushing up against its 10 gig limit; it's now 15 \o/ | 08:43 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, what about via the cli? | 08:46 |
| * JamesTait is looking at the indicator-sync source now. | 08:46 | |
| JamesTait | "It's a UNIX system - I know this!" | 08:46 |
| mungbean | i should state that i'm using elementary with plugin for ubuntuone | 08:47 |
| mungbean | cli does the same problem | 08:47 |
| mungbean | u1sdtool --publish-file Ubuntu\ One/Screenshot\ from\ 2012-12-17\ 13\:54\:57.png | 08:48 |
| mungbean | indicator pops up | 08:48 |
| mungbean | command hasn't returned yet | 08:48 |
| Myrtti | porridge ♥ | 08:55 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, as a test, do you have a file without spaces in the filename that you can try? | 08:56 |
| * popey stabs that filename format for screenshots | 08:57 | |
| popey | it's _mental_ | 08:57 |
| popey | spaces _and_ colons | 08:57 |
| SuperMatt | I've always thought it was a bit odd | 08:58 |
| neuro | it's like someone thought you'd be using a more friendly interface to access the files! | 08:58 |
| SuperMatt | fix bug, push upstream? | 08:58 |
| JamesTait | Mind you, unpublishing a file via the cli gives me "A share link is no longer available" from the indicator, which is different from what mungbean reported. I might not be the best tester, given that I almost certainly have the nightly PPA. | 08:58 |
| JamesTait | Command still hasn't returned, either. | 08:59 |
| neuro | and people ask me why i don't use u1 ... ;) | 09:02 |
| neuro | well, they don't, actually | 09:02 |
| neuro | bah, i keep forgetting Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" is only 45 mins long | 09:03 |
| neuro | need a choon suggestion | 09:03 |
| mungbean | offline gmail = win | 09:04 |
| SuperMatt | Iron Maiden: Brave New World | 09:04 |
| neuro | too late, found some freezepop | 09:04 |
| SuperMatt | freezepop? | 09:05 |
| neuro | freezepop | 09:05 |
| SuperMatt | is that a band? genre? | 09:05 |
| neuro | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=freezepop | 09:05 |
| SuperMatt | http://www.socwall.com/desktop-wallpaper/342/freezepop-by-valerie/ so not this then? | 09:06 |
| neuro | actually yes | 09:07 |
| neuro | that's from their 2004 album | 09:07 |
| neuro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Ultra%E2%80%A2Fresh | 09:07 |
| SuperMatt | oh | 09:07 |
| mungbean | JamesTait: just saw the message | 09:07 |
| mungbean | hold on | 09:08 |
| JamesTait | I've got as far as "it calls the change_public_access method on the public_files DBus interface" and now I'm not sure. | 09:09 |
| mungbean | so it's not just me breaking things? | 09:09 |
| mungbean | i'm happy to wait | 09:09 |
| mungbean | noticed it the other day | 09:09 |
| mungbean | haven't rebooted since though | 09:09 |
| neuro | you're more patient than i'd be ;) | 09:10 |
| mungbean | its a free account so meh | 09:10 |
| mungbean | or are we all supposed to act autistic on APD? | 09:10 |
| neuro | oooooooh *handbag* :) | 09:11 |
| neuro | http://handbag.popey.com/ | 09:11 |
| * mungbean ducks | 09:11 | |
| neuro | yay, i finally got to use that | 09:11 |
| SuperMatt | does popey have a subdomain for everything? | 09:11 |
| neuro | if he doesn't, he should have | 09:11 |
| mungbean | maybe we should get lubotu3 to do ascii art of tumbleweed | 09:12 |
| neuro | "Oops! Google Chrome could not find felgerkarb.popey.com" ... seems not | 09:12 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, well, I don't really know. :) I can publish a file from the cli here, even with spaces in the filename. | 09:12 |
| JamesTait | But "Works For Me" isn't a solution. | 09:13 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, your patience and assistance in diagnosing the problem is appreciated. :) | 09:13 |
| neuro | your reward is FEELING AWESOME | 09:14 |
| * mungbean sings greensleeves | 09:14 | |
| mungbean | http://askubuntu.com/questions/309448/publish-a-file-fails-cannot-access-web-link-a-file-is-no-longer-published | 09:14 |
| neuro | well at least you know it's not just you | 09:15 |
| mungbean | interestingly its new | 09:15 |
| mungbean | probably since my last update | 09:16 |
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| popey | hehe, i haven't shared anything for a while.. just picked a random pic and shared it http://ubuntuone.com/2WZJ0aZMVc3Gh8il3ZEB3H | 09:16 |
| popey | *rando | 09:16 |
| neuro | it's loading sideways | 09:16 |
| neuro | what black magic is this? | 09:16 |
| popey | its rotated | 09:17 |
| popey | so it's loading normally, but rendered sideways due to exif data I suspect | 09:17 |
| JamesTait | Oh my! popey, that's disgusting! | 09:17 |
| mungbean | https://twitter.com/ghalfacree/status/344763611991908353 | 09:17 |
| popey | it is? oh | 09:17 |
| JamesTait | :-P | 09:17 |
| * JamesTait chuckles as the rest of the channel suddenly clicks the link. | 09:18 | |
| popey | it belongs to sam | 09:18 |
| popey | i think it's for holding a pair of glasses | 09:18 |
| neuro | JamesTait: and you know this, how? | 09:18 |
| * neuro sniffs for scents of NSA or GCHQ | 09:19 | |
| JamesTait | neuro, I have CCTV installed in all your houses? | 09:19 |
| neuro | aaaaaaaaaah | 09:19 |
| * neuro runs for the underwear drawer | 09:19 | |
| neuro | HAHAHA I'm kidding | 09:19 |
| neuro | because when would I run anywhere, amirite? | 09:19 |
| JamesTait | I know. :-P | 09:19 |
| neuro | aaaaaaah! | 09:20 |
| neuro | earlier joking aside, i'd actually use ubuntu one more, but i find the mac client too kludgy, and the headless mode is mad | 09:21 |
| JamesTait | neuro, if you could expand upon the deficiencies of the Mac client in the way of bug reports, our client team would like to hear about it. | 09:22 |
| neuro | it's nothing that demands a bug per se | 09:23 |
| JamesTait | Or even via the feedback form. | 09:23 |
| neuro | it's just not ... Mac enough | 09:23 |
| neuro | which i know is a tad unfair | 09:23 |
| JamesTait | https://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/ | 09:24 |
| neuro | the mac clients for dropbox and gdrive are much more integrated, and thus i prefer those | 09:24 |
| neuro | and there i shall leave it :) | 09:24 |
| JamesTait | I'm not a mac user at all, you see, so I'm not much use in that department. | 09:24 |
| neuro | sure, don't worry about it | 09:25 |
| neuro | i'm a bit of an oddity in here, i don't run ubuntu desktop at all | 09:25 |
| neuro | i'm mainly mac here with a couple of sadly necessary windows machines | 09:26 |
| brobostigon | any ideas, of a phone, that preferably has a hw keyboard, android, and is around £100/£150 mark. ? | 09:32 |
| mungbean | hw keyboard can't be many to choose from | 09:32 |
| brobostigon | exactly. thats why i am asking advice. | 09:33 |
| brobostigon | but it isnt as crucial, there are some good sw keyboards around now. | 09:33 |
| popey | amusingly if I go to orange website and look at the filters "hardware keyboard" isn't even an option | 09:34 |
| popey | in fact the only ones i can see are blackberry or cheap dumbphones like the Nokia Asha 300, and they only have numeric keyboards | 09:34 |
| brobostigon | interesting, | 09:34 |
| popey | I'd love a modern day Nokia N950 | 09:35 |
| popey | still know a fair few people who have them | 09:35 |
| neuro | brobostigon: when you say "android" ... | 09:35 |
| brobostigon | neuro: android 4.2 and above or flashable. | 09:35 |
| popey | http://www.androidauthority.com/best-keyboard-qwerty-android-phones-2012-55315/ | 09:36 |
| neuro | good luck with that | 09:36 |
| brobostigon | 4.1* | 09:36 |
| brobostigon | thank you popey | 09:36 |
| popey | that was the result of "android phone hardware keyboard" into google | 09:37 |
| neuro | actually, i take it back | 09:37 |
| neuro | http://www.expansys.com/samsung-galaxy-chat-b5330-uk-black-241632/ | 09:37 |
| neuro | http://theunlockr.com/2012/12/29/how-to-root-the-samsung-galaxy-chat-b5330/ | 09:37 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Galaxy-Andoid-Simfree-Mobile/dp/B009URTKWI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371548259&sr=8-1&keywords=B5330 | 09:37 |
| popey | better pic | 09:37 |
| popey | i used to be adamant that hardware keyboards were the way forward | 09:38 |
| popey | then bought an htc hero and haven't had a hardware kb device since | 09:38 |
| neuro | brobostigon: and apparently samsung is pushing kosher 4.1.2 updates for the chat | 09:38 |
| neuro | popey: i thought the same til i used an iphone | 09:38 |
| popey | loads of phones linked from that amazon page | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | neuro: interesting. | 09:38 |
| neuro | brobostigon: yeah, it looks like a not bad phone if you desperately want the hw keyb and don't care too much about performance | 09:39 |
| mungbean | i used to type really fast on my psion revo | 09:39 |
| neuro | it's only got an 850Mhz apu | 09:39 |
| popey | loving this device btw http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BQ5KHJW | 09:39 |
| neuro | but pricewise it's in line with what you're after | 09:39 |
| popey | yeah, i used to type one handed on my Nokia N82, in my pocket ☻ | 09:40 |
| brobostigon | neuro: as i said, it would be nice, but not crucial, as there are some good sw kayboards around now. | 09:40 |
| neuro | popey: i have two of these little guys: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003F5WEMO | 09:40 |
| popey | twee | 09:41 |
| neuro | fits nicely into one of my car phone holder thingies | 09:41 |
| popey | i found I could put the anker in one back pocket, phone in the other back pocket with usb cable between to charge ☻ | 09:42 |
| popey | ← NERD | 09:42 |
| neuro | for drives down to engerland, i swap it out when i get to norton canes on the m6 toll | 09:42 |
| neuro | lol | 09:42 |
| neuro | then wonder why your cheeks are getting toasty | 09:42 |
| neuro | incidentally, bought these in the same amazon order | 09:45 |
| neuro | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005IHLHCA | 09:45 |
| neuro | probably the best speakers of that size i've ever bought | 09:45 |
| bigcalm | Does anybody else here get a crackle when skype plays system sounds? | 09:46 |
| popey | cheapo | 09:46 |
| neuro | and i paid 32 quid for them; at 20 quid they're a bloomin' steal | 09:46 |
| popey | i turn of system sounds in skype | 09:46 |
| bigcalm | popey: so you don't like to hear it ringing? | 09:47 |
| neuro | skype's sounds are aaaaaaanoooooooyyyiiiiinngg | 09:47 |
| popey | i dont like hearing anything from skype | 09:47 |
| popey | blip-bloop | 09:47 |
| popey | neuro: what batteries does that take? | 09:47 |
| neuro | bloop-blip-bluup | 09:47 |
| neuro | popey: the speakers? | 09:47 |
| popey | oh, charges over usb? | 09:47 |
| popey | neato | 09:47 |
| neuro | yeah | 09:47 |
| neuro | it has an on-off switch | 09:47 |
| neuro | which is cutely reversed | 09:48 |
| neuro | it pops *out* for on, and pushes in for off | 09:48 |
| popey | is it a usb audio device too? | 09:48 |
| popey | or just power over usb? | 09:48 |
| neuro | no | 09:48 |
| neuro | power over usb, audio over 3.5mm | 09:48 |
| popey | ta | 09:48 |
| neuro | only downside is the cable lengths are a touch short | 09:48 |
| neuro | i can't clip the speakers to my mbp screen | 09:48 |
| neuro | but then i'm going outside the scope of the product, i guess | 09:49 |
| neuro | so i just put them on top of the keyb when watching stuff | 09:49 |
| neuro | comes with a cute little bag to put them in when not using them | 09:49 |
| neuro | and the cables have pathed ducts in the speaker casing to tuck them away when not being used | 09:50 |
| bigcalm | Why is Amazon telling me that they have 20% off nappies? | 09:53 |
| mungbean | handy to know | 09:53 |
| neuro | because they're pimping their Amazon Family thing | 09:53 |
| neuro | i'm getting it too | 09:53 |
| mungbean | you can subscribe to nappy deliveries | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | Ewww | 09:54 |
| neuro | it's basically Prime with 20% off nappies | 09:54 |
| * popey apt-get upgrades his phone | 09:57 | |
| popey | \o/ checkers | 09:57 |
| neuro | lol | 09:58 |
| neuro | as much as i'm currently unimpressed with ubuntu phone, and as much as i think it's pointless ssh'ing into a phone ... that's still pretty cool :) | 09:58 |
| * DJones hopes that hardware & software for Ubuntu phones will be publicly available by the time he comes to replace his phone next year | 09:59 | |
| mungbean | neuro: phones are computing devices | 09:59 |
| neuro | i know, i know | 09:59 |
| popey | DJones: target is april next year | 09:59 |
| mungbean | calling things phones is a bit silly nowadays | 09:59 |
| mungbean | might as well call it a camera | 09:59 |
| popey | 13.10 should see software release you could put on phone and "use" | 09:59 |
| popey | what other devices have a GSM stack in them? | 10:00 |
| neuro | as far as i'm concerned, if it has a cellular modem, a speaker+mic and software to make calls on it, and is in a "phone"-like form factor, it's a phone | 10:00 |
| DJones | popey: That'll be good, not due to upgrade until autumn anyway, should be plenty of time for bugs/issues in 'real world use' to be sorted outr | 10:00 |
| popey | other devices have cameras in them (tablet, camera) but only "phones" have a gsm stack | 10:00 |
| popey | +1 | 10:00 |
| popey | mungbean is taking international autism day too seriously ㋛ | 10:00 |
| neuro | some cameras have gsm stacks | 10:00 |
| popey | true ☻ | 10:01 |
| popey | "but my TV has a PVR so it's not a Tv anymore" etc | 10:01 |
| neuro | and the samsung galaxy camera is basically an inverted galaxy S2 | 10:01 |
| neuro | instead of being a phone with a touchscreen that happens to have a camera | 10:01 |
| neuro | it's a camera with a touchscreen that happens to have a phone | 10:02 |
| popey | who was the US leader who put a youtube video out to ask what we call them instead of phones? | 10:02 |
| neuro | or at least an android-compatible APU with cellular radios | 10:02 |
| popey | it was someone recently | 10:02 |
| neuro | oh it was thingy | 10:02 |
| DJones | popey: If you find that Canonical look for people to beta test the hardware/software and have demo phones to give out, let me now, I'll put my name on the list of volunteers :) | 10:02 |
| neuro | republican bloke | 10:02 |
| popey | heh DJones after me ㋛ | 10:02 |
| neuro | that's the bunny ... Newt Gingrich | 10:03 |
| DJones | Definatly after you | 10:03 |
| neuro | http://youtu.be/jmKVRVX4q-k | 10:04 |
| neuro | "We're Really Puzzled" | 10:04 |
| neuro | no Newt, you are :) | 10:04 |
| neuro | well, you and mungbean | 10:04 |
| popey | http://what-if.xkcd.com/50/ is delightful | 10:04 |
| dogmatic69 | hi all. having problems with two GTX550 Ti's. I got 13.04 running with one, but if I connect the other it completely died (had to reinstall ubuntu :/) | 10:04 |
| neuro | ohhhh it's tuesday | 10:04 |
| * neuro hugs popey | 10:04 | |
| * popey hugs AlanBell | 10:04 | |
| bigcalm | It's great how authorising Facebook as an Online Account doesn't work :) | 10:05 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:05 |
| neuro | why aye | 10:06 |
| neuro | popey: yes, delightful | 10:08 |
| neuro | the alt/title tags are, as always, genius | 10:08 |
| neuro | "The mercury one was going to be the least deadly, wasn't it" | 10:09 |
| neuro | this one is currently my favourite: http://what-if.xkcd.com/35/ | 10:10 |
| neuro | "One more notch." | 10:10 |
| popey | i need to show these to Sophie | 10:11 |
| neuro | oohhh, i have never read the alt tags on that one | 10:12 |
| popey | i might print one out and put it in her school bag and see if she finds it | 10:12 |
| neuro | "this one has expressed concern that rogue states may gain access to hair dryer dial labelling technology" | 10:12 |
| DJones | http://what-if.xkcd.com/40/ Is a bit dodgy given what happened in Boston | 10:25 |
| neuro | that's a bit like saying the episode of The X-Files-spinoff The Lone Gunman where they had to avert a plane crashing into the World Trade Center was a bit dodgy given what happened on 9/11 | 10:26 |
| bigcalm | TerminalIDE seems to be a bit of an overkill for me using it just as an SSH client. Any recommendations for a standalone SSH client on android? | 10:49 |
| neuro | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.connectbot | 10:51 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you can get the irssi client for your phone/tablet it does ssh + irssi connection :) | 10:53 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: that's a connectbot product too | 10:53 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: x y | 10:54 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I want an ssh client, not an irc client | 10:54 |
| bigcalm | neuro: ta | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: it is the connectbot ssh client + mods for irssi to make that useable | 10:55 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: have you considered that I might want to use SSH for something other than IRC? | 10:56 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: it is the ssh client plus things like swipe left and right to change channel etc, I found I didn't need both when the one did everything I needed | 10:56 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: it is the same ssh client + mods | 10:56 |
| popey | juice is also a good irc client | 10:56 |
| popey | which does mosh | 10:56 |
| * popey now uses mosh instead of ssh directly | 10:56 | |
| * bigcalm stamps his foot - I don't want to do IRC over my phone | 10:57 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: if it's there you'll use it though :P | 10:58 |
| * brobostigon also uses mosh, perticulerly useful on my sometimes unstable phone connection. | 10:58 | |
| mgdm | I think popey meant 'ssh' when he said 'irc', perhaps? | 10:59 |
| popey | oops, yes | 11:05 |
| popey | i dont mean irc at all ☻ just ssh | 11:05 |
| mungbean | weatherman promised 25 degrees today | 12:03 |
| mungbean | liar | 12:03 |
| BigRedS | I think, technically, he only *forecast* that | 12:04 |
| mungbean | whos side are you on? | 12:05 |
| mungbean | http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2343790/Call-centres-BBC-Three-programme-hit-225-000-fine-nuisance-PPI-calls.html?ito=feeds-newsxml | 12:07 |
| BigRedS | well, I'm in an air conditioned room all day, this is an argument I'm not having :) | 12:07 |
| bigcalm | My goodness, that was an odd game | 12:19 |
| mungbean | incredipede bigcalm ? | 12:27 |
| popey | heh | 12:29 |
| mungbean | on level2 , am i supposed to be able to use the mouse to stretch legs etc? | 12:30 |
| mungbean | seem to be stuck using a and D keys only | 12:33 |
| mungbean | muller do a fruit corner type thing that is in fact a big after eight mint. | 12:35 |
| popey | i managed to get through about 6 levels | 12:38 |
| mungbean | could you make new legs etc? | 12:38 |
| popey | no | 12:38 |
| mungbean | bug? | 12:38 |
| popey | didnt try | 12:38 |
| popey | didnt know you could | 12:38 |
| mungbean | thats the point | 12:38 |
| popey | i just got through the levels with what I had and a/d | 12:38 |
| mungbean | that would be lame | 12:38 |
| popey | another game I really like is pax-britannica | 12:39 |
| popey | !info pax-britannica | 12:39 |
| lubotu3 | pax-britannica (source: pax-britannica): one-button multi-player real-time strategy game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-2 (quantal), package size 149 kB, installed size 383 kB | 12:39 |
| mungbean | run incredipede and click the cogs and click help | 12:39 |
| christel | popey: we have a press screening for our latest movie netx week, the ubuntu podcast should go see it and interview ian livingstone and our main producer | 12:45 |
| christel | it is clearly ubuntu related seeing how i am an ubuntu user | 12:46 |
| * christel nods | 12:46 | |
| christel | (i saw your "we need people to interview" thing) :) | 12:46 |
| christel | (and it would be a bit cool of you to have ian livingstone on air because i am sure you're all old enough to have enjoyed his fighting fantasy books in your youth... and he is a bit of a geek and totally cute) | 12:47 |
| popey | hah | 12:47 |
| popey | never heard of him ☻ | 12:47 |
| christel | he was the founder of games workshop... | 12:47 |
| mungbean | ££ | 12:48 |
| popey | heard of that ☻ | 12:48 |
| mungbean | popey: surely you read fighting fantasy? | 12:48 |
| christel | and is the presiident of uh eidos interactive | 12:48 |
| popey | nope | 12:48 |
| mungbean | he is lara croft's dad | 12:48 |
| christel | he holds an OBE and a CBE for "services to the computer gaming industry" ;) | 12:49 |
| christel | he's a lovely man :) | 12:49 |
| christel | i enjoy working with him, it is tres fun :) | 12:49 |
| aquarius | ha! Ian Livingstone. He was at the first LugRadio Live :) | 12:49 |
| aquarius | no he wasn't. | 12:50 |
| aquarius | Ian Bell was. From Elite :) | 12:50 |
| popey | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1937035674/leadwerks-build-linux-games-on-linux | 12:50 |
| popey | pondering backing that | 12:50 |
| aquarius | I saw that | 12:50 |
| aquarius | but I basically have no interest in making 3d games. Or the skill to do so... | 12:50 |
| popey | ditto ☻ | 12:51 |
| popey | i like t-shirts though | 12:51 |
| popey | http://www.cocos2d-x.org/ also looks interesting | 12:55 |
| mungbean | browsers seem to create so much i/o . i wonder what they are doing | 13:05 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: do you have an add blocker in place? | 13:18 |
| mungbean | yes | 13:19 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: I'm wondering if that is partially responsible i/o here and memory and cpu is really low, my email client is the thing using the most | 13:20 |
| mungbean | sounds strange | 13:21 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: I have 4 chromium windows open with a minimum of 5 active tabs in each, thunderbird is using 3 times the memory and twice the cpu | 13:22 |
| mungbean | maybe webistes are just a lot richer than before | 13:23 |
| mungbean | facebook regularly kills my pc | 13:23 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: try disabling the add block and see if it lowers the high utilization for you | 13:24 |
| mungbean | think i'll need to close browser first to unload stuffs | 13:24 |
| mungbean | i have 40 tabs open atm | 13:24 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: that might be why then :) | 13:25 |
| popey | i seriously doubt disabling adblock will improve things | 13:25 |
| mungbean | (although on my laptop at homei can have 2 tabs and still disk wakes up) | 13:25 |
| popey | more likely to make things worse | 13:25 |
| mungbean | i just farted audibly in the office. embarassing | 13:25 |
| popey | i have 80 tabs open | 13:25 |
| mungbean | mem usage? | 13:25 |
| mungbean | iotop doesn't show much going on | 13:26 |
| popey | KiB Mem: 8057840 total, 6937944 used, 1119896 free, 77780 buffers | 13:26 |
| popey | KiB Swap: 8267772 total, 2795716 used, 5472056 free, 792316 cached | 13:26 |
| mungbean | top -b | grep firefox ? | 13:27 |
| popey | i dont use firefox, chromium ☻ | 13:28 |
| mungbean | i think its cos the PC is now on the desk, i can hear disk inkling | 13:28 |
| mungbean | i've tried them all | 13:28 |
| mungbean | jbd2/sda6-8 | 13:28 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5777091/ | 13:29 |
| mungbean | it all adds up | 13:30 |
| mungbean | i only have 4gb ram | 13:30 |
| mungbean | should i always choose a windows 64-bit version when loading windows 7 onto a well specced laptop? | 13:34 |
| mungbean | why doesn't sed -i 's;GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 6;GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 10;' gtkrc | 13:49 |
| mungbean | work? | 13:49 |
| popey | never used s; before, only s/ | 13:50 |
| mungbean | i tried that too | 13:51 |
| mungbean | sed -i 's/GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 6/GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 10/g' ./gtkrc | 13:51 |
| mungbean | must be the spaces | 13:51 |
| mungbean | you can shorten but i've forgotten anything i ever knew | 13:52 |
| aquarius | popey, it's not s; specifically. You can use any character you like after the s and it becomes the delimiter. So sXpopeyXsilX works. It's dead useful if you're replacing something with / in, such as a path. sX/home/aquarius/X/home/popey/Xg | 13:55 |
| popey | i never knew that | 13:55 |
| popey | thanks | 13:55 |
| aquarius | I guessed not, hence telling you. It's one of those little things which is incredibly useful about once every six months ;) | 13:56 |
| popey | heh, yeah | 13:57 |
| mgdm | that works in various scripting languages too - dead handy | 13:59 |
| mgdm | (once every six months, as you say) | 13:59 |
| mungbean | sed -i 's/slider-width.*6/GtkScrollbar ::slider-width = 10/g' ./gtkrc | 13:59 |
| mungbean | works | 13:59 |
| mungbean | i think there's more elegant way though | 14:00 |
| mungbean | who's near hastings? http://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/local-news/legendary-bomber-set-to-make-a-noise-1-5185870 | 15:07 |
| mgdm | I'm guessing that's XH558? | 15:08 |
| mungbean | yes | 15:08 |
| mgdm | \o/ | 15:08 |
| mungbean | https://twitter.com/XH558 | 15:09 |
| mgdm | Bruce Dickinson is setting up an aircraft maintenance company?! | 15:10 |
| mgdm | http://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-8-million-investments-aircraft-maintenance-company/?trackback=twitter_top | 15:10 |
| mungbean | This Saturday 22nd June at Manston in Kent - | 15:10 |
| mungbean | i like how they say "manston, then weston super mare" | 15:13 |
| BigRedS | Ooh, what's that in aid of? | 15:13 |
| mungbean | south east air show | 15:13 |
| mungbean | http://www.heritage-events.co.uk/South%20East%20Airshow%202013 | 15:13 |
| * mgdm hopes to see it north of the border some time | 15:13 | |
| mungbean | i'd say the BBMF are more popular | 15:16 |
| mungbean | seeing the lanc gives you shivers | 15:16 |
| mgdm | I've stood under the Lanc at its hangar, but never seen it fly | 15:17 |
| BigRedS | I was thinking about that at duxford | 15:17 |
| BigRedS | it's this tool built to bomb the women and children of Germany | 15:17 |
| mungbean | not really | 15:17 |
| mungbean | thats not the chief intention | 15:18 |
| BigRedS | Well, no, but it is what most people go on to think of when they picture WW2 bombing raids | 15:20 |
| BigRedS | to be fair to the bbmf, I don't think their lancaster did any combat at all | 15:20 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, did you have any joy with your file publishing problem? | 15:20 |
| mungbean | no i forgot to ask in 'buntu-one | 15:21 |
| mungbean | this one certainly saw action http://www.flickr.com/photos/oimon/8522213006/ | 15:22 |
| mungbean | 2nd highest number of operations of the RAF Heavy Bombers during WWII | 15:22 |
| BigRedS | Is that the one at RAF Hendon? | 15:22 |
| mungbean | yes | 15:22 |
| mungbean | join #ubuntu-one | 15:22 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, #ubuntuone (no hyphen) | 15:23 |
| mungbean | seemed to put me in the same place \/o | 15:23 |
| BigRedS | and /join, not join :) | 15:23 |
| JamesTait | Ah, you're already there. :) | 15:23 |
| mungbean | my fathers inheritance to be split among my siblings is stored in a coop bank account. scary :S | 15:26 |
| mungbean | ah, finally its made it into my current account | 15:31 |
| mungbean | don't think coop was really at risk but you never know | 15:31 |
| popey | \o/ http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/carrier-advisory-group | 15:32 |
| Gary | I'd love to run ubuntuphone on my mako | 15:38 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk | ||
| diplo | mungbean: Just saw your message at 16:20, your old nick oimon ? | 16:04 |
| AlanBell | ooh that is a big announcement | 16:08 |
| AlanBell | a bit shy of a commitment to launch it, but some good names there | 16:14 |
| popey | slowly slowly | 16:14 |
| MartijnVdS | .uk? | 16:16 |
| MartijnVdS | http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/3431 | 16:16 |
| AlanBell | everything everywhere is a UK carrier | 16:16 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: I thought you meant this announcement: http://domainnamewire.com/2013/06/18/nominet-reconsiders-second-level-uk-domains-and-it-may-be-good-for-domainers/ | 16:17 |
| AlanBell | ah, nope | 16:17 |
| AlanBell | the carrier advisory group | 16:17 |
| MartijnVdS | I see | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: though there ARE some good names to buy in .uk :) | 16:19 |
| === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g | ||
| NET||abuse | hummm, ssh is faling, i think it's trying to offer too many public keys negotiating the connection | 16:58 |
| NET||abuse | how do i stop ssh offering all my possible public keys during auth? | 16:58 |
| daftykins | i think i met my match on laptop disassembly tasks | 17:08 |
| daftykins | broken screen in a tiny Samsung 5 series AMD based laptop | 17:08 |
| daftykins | only way to take it out, pull off the foil-like sheet of metal on the front - which now looks like this: ~~~~~~~ | 17:08 |
| daftykins | in hindsight, perhaps something like a hot air gun to soften the glue would've been best XD | 17:09 |
| popey | NET||abuse: yeah, i had that recently too | 17:12 |
| popey | NET||abuse: http://superuser.com/questions/187779/too-many-authentication-failures-for-username | 17:12 |
| daftykins | do you always use keys over passwords for systems you own? | 17:13 |
| mgdm | NET||abuse: could you tell it which key to use in a Host entry in ~/.ssh/config ? | 17:14 |
| daftykins | the above link covers exactly that | 17:15 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| popey | daftykins: mostly, yes | 17:19 |
| popey | especially publicly accessible machines | 17:19 |
| daftykins | i feel like that'd be a pain because if i'd just setup a new system or wiped an old, if i were away from home and needed to get in i'd be knackered | 17:20 |
| popey | there's ways around that | 17:20 |
| popey | like having one machine which allows ssh with a strong password and from there you can hop to others, or having a key on your phone or something | 17:21 |
| daftykins | true | 17:22 |
| daftykins | i feel as though a non-standard port and a good user+pass is fairly decent | 17:22 |
| popey | yeah, works for me | 17:23 |
| dwatkins | also, denyhosts will ban an IP address if it has too many login failures | 17:30 |
| daftykins | i use err | 17:31 |
| daftykins | fail2ban for the same | 17:31 |
| dwatkins | I also use a non-standard port, which has the advantate I don't need to jump through hoops to get to my ssh server. Suffice to say that my work network thinks I'm making a connection to a different application. | 17:32 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 17:36 |
| daftykins | the auth.log is quite amusing when you use standard port 22 and leave a box internet facing | 17:37 |
| daftykins | just sort of, lower case first names get tried | 17:37 |
| davmor2 | popey: humble android bundle did you get it yet? | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: ^ | 18:13 |
| popey | I didn't, but I do now. Thanks ☻ | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | another one already? | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | popey: can you see if the USC links work please :) | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: yeap android one | 18:15 |
| DJones | popey: Did I see you mention that polly was no longer being updated | 18:16 |
| popey | organ trail, yes | 18:16 |
| popey | DJones: not i | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | time to dig up some bitcoins then i guess | 18:16 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: save me from loading the screen with irssi in. What did I miss? | 18:16 |
| popey | 19:12:57 < davmor2> popey: humble android bundle did you get it yet? | 18:16 |
| popey | that | 18:16 |
| DJones | popey: ok | 18:16 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 18:17 |
| popey | well, specifically 19:13:46 < davmor2> bigcalm: ^ | 18:17 |
| popey | that | 18:17 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: humble android bundle | 18:17 |
| bigcalm | Yes, I got emailed that line | 18:17 |
| davmor2 | popey: comedy gold | 18:17 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I haven't been emailed about it yet if there is a new one | 18:17 |
| brobostigon | has anyone around tried Blackberry OS 10 yet, i wonder whats its like, being QNX basis. | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | hey do you think they email the people who pay more first so that beating the average is harder? that's what i would do lol | 18:18 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: and you see how useful irssi on your phone would be now :D | 18:18 |
| * davmor2 awaits the sound of bigcalm 's head exploding | 18:18 | |
| bigcalm | Frozen synapse looks like Die Hard on the PlayStation from the 90s | 18:20 |
| bigcalm | None of the games appeal to be other than broken sword | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | it's nothing like that | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | it's like laser squad nemesis or robosport | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | if it is the game i think it is | 18:21 |
| bigcalm | I did dsu 'looks' | 18:21 |
| bigcalm | dsu = say | 18:21 |
| popey | davmor2: stealth bastard deluxe is installing too.. | 18:21 |
| bigcalm | Left hand needs to shift one to the left for a change | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | i'm pretty sure die hard on playstation wasn't abstract wireframe graphics in primary colours... | 18:21 |
| popey | USC has asked for my password 3 times now | 18:22 |
| davmor2 | popey: yeah it's polykit I think ends on the completed install but I could be wrong | 18:23 |
| bigcalm | I have no idea what it reminds me of then | 18:23 |
| popey | davmor2: fractal too | 18:23 |
| davmor2 | popey: ta | 18:23 |
| popey | np | 18:23 |
| * popey claims humble bundle on expenses | 18:24 | |
| * bigcalm ponders buying it just to have something he might play with in the future | 18:24 | |
| bigcalm | ¬.¬ | 18:24 |
| popey | thats what i do mostly | 18:24 |
| popey | mostly | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | i still haven't finishes adding all the previous bundles on steam | 18:27 |
| popey | i tend to do them piecemeal | 18:27 |
| popey | doesn't take long but the UI in steam is horrid for doing it | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | does it cost HiB extra if i add them btw? | 18:28 |
| popey | have to keep pressing enter, and then wait | 18:28 |
| popey | pass | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | i don't know why i think you'd know that | 18:28 |
| popey | he | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | right i'm off to not play any of these games | 18:29 |
| bigcalm | Bah, broken sword is broken | 18:29 |
| diddledan_ | evening | 18:30 |
| popey | pip pip | 18:30 |
| diddledan_ | games? am I missing a humble bundle? | 18:31 |
| bigcalm | The email will be sent out soon enough | 18:33 |
| popey | about 20 mins after you buy it usually | 18:34 |
| diddledan_ | ok, euromillions, make me a meeleonaire | 18:34 |
| popey | 3 mins for me | 18:34 |
| diddledan_ | lol @ stealth bastard | 18:35 |
| diddledan_ | not only that, but it's deluxe | 18:35 |
| diddledan_ | a deluxe bastard of stealth | 18:35 |
| daftykins | i thought it was already freeware/shareware that one | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | nah it's on steam | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | i hope they get mcpixel in one of the bundles soon | 18:37 |
| bigcalm | 9 mins after buying the games the email comes in. Nice work | 18:37 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: :D | 18:37 |
| * bigcalm goes back to work | 18:38 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: work you should be finished now man :D | 18:38 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: nothing better to do | 18:38 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you just bought games | 18:38 |
| diddledan_ | they've got a pay with bitcoin thingy on there now | 18:39 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: doesn't mean I want to play them | 18:39 |
| davmor2 | sbd is good fun | 18:39 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: and broken sword isn't installing on steam | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | maybe the steam version isn't on linux? | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | about half of them aren't | 18:39 |
| bigcalm | In time I guess it will be | 18:40 |
| bigcalm | Out of the list of steam keys I copy/pasted, only 2 games didn't install | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | i have 50 games on steam that i got from HiB and 18 of them have linux ports | 18:40 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| popey | fractal is fun | 18:41 |
| neuro | sadly mostly not linux-compatible, but GOG are running a summer sale until 9th July: http://www.gog.com/NoDRMSummer | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | but do they accept bitcoins? | 18:47 |
| neuro | well, no | 18:47 |
| neuro | but some of the games can be coerced into running on linux: http://www.gog.com/mix/linux_native_source_ports | 18:48 |
| neuro | i.e. scumm-based games | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | wow syndicate | 18:49 |
| ali1234 | that game really hasn't aged well | 18:49 |
| diddledan_ | they've (gog) pretty much got their entire catalogue on offer | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | interesting populous is older and has aged very well | 18:52 |
| neuro | I HAS HB EMAIL | 18:53 |
| diddledan_ | that's a phrase I thought I'd never see on a modern app: "reticulating splines" | 19:04 |
| diddledan_ | on the hib android app | 19:04 |
| neuro | what, you mean like on the latest version of Sim City? | 19:04 |
| diddledan_ | really? sim city still does that? | 19:04 |
| neuro | yup | 19:04 |
| daftykins | The SIMS always did too | 19:05 |
| neuro | and stuff about llamas too | 19:05 |
| daftykins | it's one of their things. | 19:05 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan_: it became a bit of an in-joke after SC2K | 19:05 |
| ali1234 | when i saw that on the HiB downloader i had to go and look where it was from because i knew i had seen it before | 19:06 |
| MartijnVdS | http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Reticulating_splines | 19:07 |
| daftykins | aww | 19:08 |
| daftykins | those linguistic abusers | 19:08 |
| neuro | jumpin' jiminies | 19:15 |
| neuro | http://speedtest.net/result/2782014998.png | 19:15 |
| neuro | my best speedtest off speedtest.net, ever | 19:15 |
| neuro | (the "~100 mi" bit is utterly fallacious btw) | 19:16 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2782025082.png | 19:16 |
| neuro | bloody dutch | 19:17 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: I'm getting an upgrade to 500/500 soon | 19:17 |
| neuro | bloody dutch | 19:17 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: yw ;) | 19:17 |
| neuro | :) | 19:17 |
| diddledan_ | 500/500? what tech is that running on? | 19:17 |
| neuro | uncapped? | 19:17 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: yes no limits | 19:17 |
| neuro | no fup/shaping? | 19:18 |
| MartijnVdS | none | 19:18 |
| neuro | good grief | 19:18 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan_: fibre | 19:18 |
| diddledan_ | fttp? | 19:19 |
| MartijnVdS | FttH, yes | 19:19 |
| diddledan_ | yeah, p/h they both mean the same | 19:19 |
| MartijnVdS | Gigabit media converter (just plain ethernet) | 19:19 |
| diddledan_ | that's not fair | 19:19 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan_: premises/home | 19:19 |
| * diddledan_ wants to be dutch now | 19:19 | |
| diddledan_ | fscking BT dragging their heals | 19:20 |
| diddledan_ | heels** | 19:20 |
| neuro | they're not really | 19:20 |
| neuro | fibre is expensive to roll out | 19:20 |
| MartijnVdS | they're rolling out fibre across the country here, 30-50% coverage now I think | 19:20 |
| neuro | fttp (instead of fttc) is happening, but it costs | 19:20 |
| diddledan_ | neuro, yes, but it should have happened a decade ago | 19:20 |
| neuro | and who would have paid for it? | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: investment company + incumbent telco (KPN) pay for it here | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | expected ROI of 20-30 years | 19:21 |
| neuro | i mean who would have paid for it in 2003 in the UK | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: banksters | 19:21 |
| neuro | and remember | 19:22 |
| neuro | nl = flat | 19:22 |
| neuro | uk = not | 19:22 |
| neuro | all uk bankers care about is latency to ny | 19:22 |
| neuro | which is why we have tons of low latency transatlantic fibre | 19:22 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: Dutch roads are also very uniform | 19:23 |
| neuro | that too | 19:23 |
| MartijnVdS | which helps when you're opening them up | 19:23 |
| neuro | exactly | 19:23 |
| MartijnVdS | you can probably thank the germans for that | 19:23 |
| neuro | heh | 19:23 |
| diddledan_ | "what did the germans ever do for us?" | 19:24 |
| diddledan_ | s/germans/romans/ | 19:24 |
| neuro | diddledan_: so my question would be, what can you get just now? | 19:24 |
| neuro | can you get 80mbps fttc? 120mbps virgin? | 19:24 |
| MartijnVdS | symmetric? :P | 19:24 |
| neuro | na | 19:24 |
| diddledan_ | neuro, I'm paying a lot for 80Mbps with a 100GB cap | 19:24 |
| neuro | almost all uk broadband is adsl or vdsl | 19:24 |
| MartijnVdS | no DOCSIS/cable internet? | 19:24 |
| neuro | diddledan_: cap? | 19:25 |
| daftykins | neuro: no, tonnes of cable. | 19:25 |
| neuro | how much is a lot, if you don't mind me asking? | 19:25 |
| diddledan_ | including the phone line around 60£ | 19:25 |
| neuro | daftykins: well, metres is probably more accurate a metric ;) | 19:25 |
| neuro | diddledan_: you're getting screwed | 19:25 |
| daftykins | Virgin Media is all over the place with their cable network | 19:25 |
| diddledan_ | neuro, I'm trying to get a MAC code now | 19:25 |
| neuro | sky and bt do uncapped vdsl2 for 45-50 quid a month with the line | 19:26 |
| shauno | I pay about €90 :/ | 19:26 |
| neuro | which is what i have | 19:26 |
| neuro | (both of them) | 19:26 |
| neuro | sky is my primary egress, bt my failover and bulk traffic line | 19:26 |
| neuro | all tied together with pfsense | 19:26 |
| diddledan_ | nice | 19:26 |
| daftykins | such overkill :( | 19:26 |
| neuro | my homehub and whatever crap sky gave me are switched off and disconnected :D | 19:27 |
| diddledan_ | pfsense is awesome | 19:27 |
| neuro | daftykins: i work from home, so, no | 19:27 |
| neuro | worst case scenario is a power cut, where i can break out 3g if need be, and in dire straits my parents live about a mile away, so i can work from there, albeit with 3Mbps ADSL2+ | 19:28 |
| neuro | trying to get them to upgrade to vdsl | 19:28 |
| mungbean | diplo: yes, and my friend mungojerry :) | 19:28 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: no wifi at the local starbucks? ;) | 19:28 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: my local starbucks is about 10-15mi away | 19:28 |
| neuro | and i don't really like working from coffee shops | 19:28 |
| shauno | my cable seems to stay up during power cuts, which is handy | 19:29 |
| neuro | if you UPS the router, there's no reason it should go down | 19:29 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: yay upses ;) | 19:29 |
| neuro | same with DSL | 19:29 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: well, if the other end has a power cut as well... | 19:29 |
| neuro | that's on my list of Stuff to Buy | 19:29 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: the exchange is on a different substation, unlikely | 19:29 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: that's not guaranteed though | 19:30 |
| neuro | odds of the exchange going completely down are slim | 19:30 |
| shauno | heh, yeah, I have a few. a UPS meant for a desktop keeps router&modem up for hours | 19:30 |
| neuro | they'll have redundant supply from diverse suppliers, and generators | 19:30 |
| neuro | and tbh, touch wood, power cuts here are rare | 19:30 |
| diddledan_ | neuro, how did you get the sky username and password for the pppoe? | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: true, remnant of 'the old days' when they had to be up in case of bad stuff | 19:31 |
| neuro | i've had 2 power cuts in the 13 years i've lived here, one about 12 years ago and one in april | 19:31 |
| neuro | both due to emergency work required | 19:31 |
| neuro | diddledan_: errr there's a calc that grabs it from the ssid and wpa2 key | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | last power cut I experienced was during a 70mph storm in Sennen Cove a few months ago :) | 19:31 |
| diddledan_ | aah | 19:31 |
| neuro | and it's not ppoe, it's something else | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | one month, to be exact | 19:32 |
| shauno | I haven't had a proper outtage, but plenty of "bumps" that are enough to drop the NAS | 19:32 |
| shauno | they tend to reboot my lights too, which is annoying | 19:33 |
| diddledan_ | serialz? | 19:33 |
| diddledan_ | so it all goes dark because they reboot and then colour cycle the rainbow to indicate boot processes? :-p | 19:34 |
| diddledan_ | that'ld be .. weird | 19:34 |
| neuro | diddledan_: aha ... MAC Encapsulated Routing, MER: http://wiki.ph-mb.com/wiki/MER#MER_Settings_for_Sky | 19:34 |
| shauno | nah, they just reset to the default profile (closely matches a regular lightbulb) | 19:34 |
| neuro | google for sky vdsl login or sky adsl login and you'll find calculators | 19:34 |
| neuro | it's basically DHCP | 19:35 |
| * MartijnVdS wrote a HOWTO for my fibre connection | 19:35 | |
| neuro | BT was easy, pppoe user of bthomehub@btbroadband.com with a blank password (or a space, IIRC) | 19:35 |
| shauno | it's mostly annoying when they're meant to be off, and every light in the house comes on | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: yeah, I use PPPoE as well, they don't check username or password at all | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | so I taunted the person who reads logs | 19:36 |
| neuro | bt do that most likely as they use the same router for ADSL2 and VDSL2 users | 19:36 |
| neuro | with VDSL2 being provisioned using a separate VDSL modem, which then bridges over to the router | 19:36 |
| neuro | so the auth is probably being done on the MAC layer | 19:37 |
| neuro | i still have my old Alcatel green frog USB modem round here somewhere ... | 19:37 |
| neuro | going from 56Kbps to 512Kbps was amazing | 19:38 |
| MartijnVdS | haha, I had 64/128kbit in between (ISDN) | 19:38 |
| MartijnVdS | and then 8mbit ADSL (yay working for ISPs) | 19:38 |
| neuro | i thought about isdn, but settled on a second line + 24/7 dialup | 19:38 |
| MartijnVdS | they were giving away ISDN here | 19:39 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: took me ages to coax free 8Mbps out of my ISP employer in 2006 ;) | 19:39 |
| neuro | 24/7 dialup was interesting ... thousands of minutes on my phone bill with cost of £0.00 | 19:39 |
| MartijnVdS | how? | 19:40 |
| shauno | heh, we did that with freeserve | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | cpt crunch? | 19:40 |
| neuro | BT SurfTime | 19:40 |
| diddledan_ | shauno, ditto | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | dialup was always $expensive on this side of the water | 19:41 |
| neuro | 25 quid a month to BT to enable the Surftime Anytime service, and another 20 quid a month to Demon for a Surftime compatible tariff | 19:41 |
| diddledan_ | problem with freeserve was the 2hour disconnect | 19:41 |
| mungbean | great, baby entering pukey phase | 19:41 |
| neuro | i had to do all sorts of shenanigans when living at home | 19:41 |
| shauno | yeah. if you paid for the isp, but not the calls, they'd drop you. if you paid for the calls but not the isp, they didn't | 19:42 |
| neuro | my dad wouldn't give me an extension in my room, or let me buy my own line | 19:42 |
| diddledan_ | neuro, ditto | 19:42 |
| MartijnVdS | http://i.imgur.com/VvEyavQ.png | 19:42 |
| neuro | so i bought a Nokia NK402 (basically a GSM1800 5110 on Orange) | 19:42 |
| shauno | it would just be a nuisance, but we had that bt voicemail thing on our line, and it pulsed the dialtone to tell you you had a message waiting. my modem wouldn't find a dialtone when it did that :/ | 19:42 |
| diddledan_ | neuro, so I just tied up the family line 24/7 | 19:42 |
| neuro | got Orange Everyday 50 or whatever it was called | 19:42 |
| neuro | and BT Openworld for tenner a month | 19:42 |
| neuro | used BT Openworld on the 0800 number until midnight | 19:43 |
| neuro | then used 50 minutes 0845 to Freeserve | 19:43 |
| neuro | the phone was connected to a 486 running NT4 workstation with some random routing sw i can't remember the name of | 19:43 |
| neuro | signal was crap, but it worked | 19:44 |
| diddledan_ | wingate? | 19:44 |
| neuro | YES | 19:44 |
| neuro | that's the fella | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | oh man, wingate | 19:44 |
| diddledan_ | yeah, wingate was evil | 19:44 |
| neuro | oh totally | 19:44 |
| diddledan_ | left open proxies all over the shop | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm so glad I discovered Linux in '97 ;) | 19:44 |
| neuro | but it did the job | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | slackware woo! | 19:44 |
| neuro | oh how i miss slackware | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | I broke my install in the libc5->6 upgrade | 19:45 |
| shauno | heh, I started on slack 3.3 too | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | so then I tried Red Hat, Debian, and several other distros.. so I picked Debian | 19:45 |
| neuro | downloading the floppies in 1994 from uni | 19:45 |
| neuro | then getting home and finding out one of them was corrupt | 19:45 |
| diddledan_ | ouch | 19:45 |
| neuro | so had to wait to go back into uni the next day and reimage the floppy | 19:46 |
| neuro | and go back home and start aaaaaall over again | 19:46 |
| neuro | best day of my life was doing a debian netinst cd install and pulling the packages down over the 2Mbps link at work | 19:46 |
| neuro | oh bliss | 19:46 |
| neuro | look, the cd iso, it's TINY | 19:46 |
| neuro | actually, that wasn't the *best* day of my *entire* life, but it was a good day | 19:47 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:47 |
| MartijnVdS | Uni had 10 mbit (10base2), so downloading was easy | 19:47 |
| daftykins | not having broadband used to be a real lock on the door of Linux learning + use | 19:48 |
| neuro | loser ;) | 19:48 |
| daftykins | i kind of envy kids today for that | 19:48 |
| neuro | i seem to recall gla.ac.uk having epic bandwidth | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: in '97-8 10 mbit was a LOT | 19:48 |
| neuro | downloading netscape from sunsite northern europe in ridiculous time | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | oh sunsite, wow | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | I remember that :) | 19:48 |
| shauno | it didn't hold me back much, used to get debian on CD from thelinuxemporium | 19:48 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: in the UK, SuperJANET had already been deployed by the time i started uni in 94 | 19:49 |
| neuro | 34Mbps ATM | 19:49 |
| neuro | 1995 it was 155Mbps | 19:49 |
| neuro | 2001, 155-2.5Gbps | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: yeah, Surfnet also had something like that.. but our "play room" just got a 10base2 wire, so we had that limit | 19:50 |
| neuro | our little spodbox was on 10/100 \o/ | 19:50 |
| neuro | shauno: i loved the linux emporium! | 19:50 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: we had a big HP/UX box that you needed to kick when it was down | 19:51 |
| neuro | blimeh, it's still going | 19:51 |
| MartijnVdS | because the disks sagged | 19:51 |
| neuro | although (and ahhh i remember this now), john sold it to chygwyn in 2003 | 19:51 |
| shauno | getting a full set of debian potato (binary & source) on CD was pretty epic when I was on dialup with the 2hour disconnect | 19:51 |
| neuro | then it got sold onto thyme/clockwork in 2005 | 19:52 |
| neuro | shauno: nice | 19:52 |
| diddledan_ | shauno I used windows with getright for spanning multiple 2hour blocks | 19:52 |
| brobostigon | watching bbc2, it seems heathrow airtraffic control use MS windows xp. | 19:52 |
| shauno | I knew winters doesn't do it anymore, but didn't know where it'd gone. not that I recognise any of the names | 19:52 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: we had a 486 frankenstein box hidden away in the water tank room of the students representatives council building :) | 19:52 |
| neuro | chygwyn i vaguely recognise, but only with respect to them buying TLE | 19:53 |
| neuro | and i see their registered address isn't far from my uncle's house :) | 19:53 |
| neuro | randoM! | 19:53 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: we had a proper Pentium 1 233MHz (with MMX) | 19:53 |
| neuro | noice | 19:54 |
| MartijnVdS | and we had our own "play room" full of old Suns and X terminals and a big HP/UX fridge-sized machien | 19:54 |
| shauno | odd name though, it's something-head in welsh? | 19:54 |
| neuro | we had to figure something out when we all left uni, so we managed to get a PII under someone's desk at a hosting company ;) | 19:54 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: chygwyn? cygwin! | 19:54 |
| neuro | then we went "kosher" and shoved a sun ss20 in a hoster's dc in nottingham | 19:55 |
| neuro | then dual pIII in telehouse, and now some weird ESXi thing i've never seen in the same place | 19:55 |
| neuro | shauno: well gwyn is a welsh name ... | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: I never went to classes, so I got kicked out after a year.. so I joined my local (as in, in my town :)) ISP | 19:55 |
| neuro | nice | 19:56 |
| neuro | see, you guys are lucky, you don't have to route over hundreds of miles just to get to landing points | 19:56 |
| neuro | or exchange points | 19:56 |
| mungbean | yggdrasil | 19:56 |
| neuro | if i want to connect to the linux box in my parents house, 1mi away, i have to go via london to get there | 19:56 |
| neuro | ahhh yggdrasil, never used it | 19:57 |
| mungbean | officially the first distro i think | 19:57 |
| mungbean | i was rh5 in '99 | 19:57 |
| mungbean | solaris since 93 tho | 19:57 |
| mungbean | i never touched windows until 96 | 19:58 |
| mungbean | risc os ftw | 19:58 |
| neuro | i was all over the place | 19:59 |
| neuro | win3.x and AIX in college 92-93, win3.x, mac os 7.whatever, sunos in uni 93-94, then the long march of win 3.x, 95, 98, 2k, win nt 3.5, 4.x, netware 3-4, debian, red hat in my first real job | 20:00 |
| neuro | (oh and dos 5-6 in there as well) | 20:01 |
| neuro | diddledan_: anyway, my point long ago was, you're on 80Mbps, but there are still some people in the UK who struggle to get 1Mbps, or even better than dialup. | 20:01 |
| mgdm | +1 | 20:02 |
| mgdm | (not me, personally, but people I know) | 20:02 |
| neuro | this is why crazy stuff happens like white space trials to use gaps in UHF 600-800Mhz for wireless backhaul to people up here in Scotland who refuse to move out of their idyllic cottages in remote places for some mad reason | 20:05 |
| MartijnVdS | http://labs.spotify.com/2013/06/18/creative-usernames/ | 20:05 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: We use 800MHz for 4G here.. | 20:06 |
| neuro | yeah, that's the plan here too | 20:06 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: but our remotest areas are parts of Groningen.. and they're close to Germany | 20:06 |
| neuro | pain in the arse really, it's all about a cash/land grab | 20:06 |
| neuro | they could have used the freqs freed up from analog tv to add more digital DVB-T/T2 muxes, but noooooo | 20:07 |
| neuro | Ofcom wantee ze cashee goodness | 20:07 |
| mungbean | http://i.imgur.com/EottKzr.jpg | 20:08 |
| mungbean | tux caterpillar | 20:08 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: does it run Linux? :) | 20:08 |
| neuro | aaaaaaaaaaah kill it with fire | 20:09 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: it's not a spider | 20:09 |
| neuro | it's a crawly thing | 20:09 |
| neuro | and i mashed cmd+q instead of cmd+w to get rid of the tab | 20:09 |
| neuro | Chrome's "Warn before quitting" option, ftw | 20:09 |
| mungbean | did you see the penguins though neuro ? | 20:10 |
| diddledan_ | genetic engineering? | 20:10 |
| mgdm | neuro: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6153751552/hC85366D2/ | 20:10 |
| neuro | all i saw was CRAWLY THING and mashed on keys | 20:10 |
| neuro | mgdm: i need that | 20:11 |
| mgdm | here's a tip, by the way | 20:11 |
| neuro | nice akira references in there too | 20:11 |
| neuro | mgdm: what, don't click on stuff? | 20:11 |
| mgdm | if you're not a fan of crawly things, make sure you don't do a Google image search for 'NOPE' | 20:11 |
| neuro | see, now i want to | 20:11 |
| mgdm | No, you don't | 20:11 |
| neuro | despite the obvious painful repercussions | 20:11 |
| mungbean | some images cannot be unseen | 20:12 |
| mungbean | i think of 2 or 3 | 20:12 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: http://mindbleach.org/ | 20:12 |
| * mungbean catches up with watching the inbetweeners | 20:13 | |
| mungbean | series1-3 in about 1 week | 20:13 |
| neuro | mgdm: actually, ratio of creepy pics to image macros is pretty good | 20:13 |
| mgdm | yeah, but the presence of the former makes me shiver, still | 20:13 |
| diddledan_ | so my humble bundle email arrived an hour after I bought it | 20:22 |
| MartijnVdS | *\o/* going to Spa | 20:22 |
| MartijnVdS | for F1 | 20:22 |
| MartijnVdS | everything is actually booked now | 20:22 |
| diddledan_ | \o/ | 20:22 |
| brobostigon | personally, i like to pop down the road, and visit some F1 engineers, and learn abit of controller programming. | 20:23 |
| neuro | gits | 20:24 |
| diddledan_ | If they'd let me I'd pop over to the Williams headquarters for a chinwag | 20:25 |
| diddledan_ | about 20 miles? | 20:25 |
| brobostigon | now that sounds fun. | 20:25 |
| neuro | you're in oxfordshire? | 20:25 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 20:25 |
| diddledan_ | north hampshire to be exact, but close | 20:25 |
| neuro | blimeh | 20:26 |
| neuro | i was there a fortnight ago | 20:26 |
| mungbean | i drive past mclaren in woking a lot | 20:26 |
| brobostigon | how the world is such a small place, | 20:27 |
| neuro | http://4sq.com/13R4uut | 20:27 |
| MartijnVdS | is that "aahhhhh" as in a relieved sigh, or as in "AAAAAAAAAGH SUNLIGHT TURN IT OFF" | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: ^ | 20:30 |
| neuro | former | 20:30 |
| neuro | i had had a pretty crappy day travelling the day prior | 20:30 |
| neuro | ~ 10-11 hrs to go door to door | 20:31 |
| bigcalm | Take a door with you | 20:32 |
| neuro | ba dum tsh | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: That could end up like Neverwhere though | 20:33 |
| neuro | would have been charged a fortune to check it in though | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: \o/ Neil Gaiman | 20:33 |
| bigcalm | :) | 20:33 |
| * MartijnVdS bought his new book.. it's next on my to-read list | 20:34 | |
| bigcalm | Last I read by him was Good Omens with Terry Pratechett. That was some time ago | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Ocean-End-Lane-Novel/dp/0062255657 | 20:35 |
| bigcalm | I have no experience of his novels other than Good Omens, so have no idea if I want to read that or not | 20:36 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: I haven't read that one either.. you could start with Neverwhere, or American Gods, I guess | 20:38 |
| MartijnVdS | I *know* those are good :) | 20:38 |
| AlanBell | Good Omens is very good, but it was a lot Pratchett | 20:39 |
| AlanBell | Gaiman isn't anywhere near as funny on his own | 20:39 |
| * bigcalm goes to watch last night's Mythbusters | 20:39 | |
| MartijnVdS | I've tried to read Discworld.. but I can't | 20:39 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: he might not be funny, but his stories are good :) | 20:39 |
| AlanBell | I have rather a lot of discworld books | 20:40 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: I finished 2.5 | 20:40 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: then I gave up | 20:40 |
| brobostigon | so does my dad, i prefer hitchhikers. | 20:40 |
| * mgdm considers buying HHGTTG for the Kindle | 20:40 | |
| mgdm | as my dead-tree copy is about 200 miles away | 20:40 |
| brobostigon | which one? | 20:40 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: that's probably very meta ;) | 20:41 |
| mgdm | all of 'em :-) | 20:41 |
| brobostigon | :) | 20:41 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: "the guide" (in the book) is a lot like a Kindle | 20:41 |
| mgdm | MartijnVdS: the thought had crossed my mind :) | 20:41 |
| mgdm | I've read it many times, just not for about 3 years | 20:41 |
| brobostigon | i have the whole lot, read it all once, on a long coach journey. | 20:42 |
| daftykins | mgdm: let's abuse tech - i'll put a laptop on my book and face it at pages with a webcam | 20:44 |
| daftykins | XD | 20:44 |
| mgdm | haha | 20:44 |
| diddledan_ | was this a kickstarter? http://www.fairphone.com/ | 20:51 |
| mungbean | i got the hhgtttg complete set on kindle for 2.19£ | 21:05 |
| MartijnVdS | wut | 21:06 |
| mungbean | although i own in paper format, it made space in my house | 21:06 |
| mungbean | must have been a special offer | 21:06 |
| MartijnVdS | I can only use the US store :( | 21:06 |
| mungbean | kindle daily deals | 21:07 |
| MartijnVdS | Ultimate H2G2 = $18 | 21:07 |
| mungbean | thats the one | 21:07 |
| * MartijnVdS has http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dining-With-The-Doctor-Unauthorized/dp/1481153684 | 21:08 | |
| MartijnVdS | it was free when I got it | 21:08 |
| mungbean | daily deals has been lame lately | 21:08 |
| mungbean | thats a good thing | 21:08 |
| mungbean | = less money spent on books | 21:09 |
| popey | evening all | 21:17 |
| MartijnVdS | \o popey | 21:19 |
| popey | successfully turned home town from blue to green on ingress this evening | 21:19 |
| MartijnVdS | you're green? | 21:20 |
| MartijnVdS | my coworkers are blue | 21:20 |
| MartijnVdS | apparently, my town is green.. so I heard | 21:20 |
| diddledan_ | o_O | 21:24 |
| diddledan_ | am I missing something? | 21:24 |
| naderp | z | 21:24 |
| === naderp is now known as oberluz | ||
| MartijnVdS | diddledan_: http://www.ingress.com/ | 21:24 |
| * popey has a bunch of invites... | 21:27 | |
| diddledan_ | sweet. that looks cool | 21:27 |
| popey | want an invite? | 21:27 |
| popey | (and do you have an android device)? | 21:27 |
| diddledan_ | I do, and I do | 21:28 |
| diddledan_ | :-p | 21:28 |
| popey | gimmie your google account address (pm if you want) | 21:28 |
| popey | sent | 21:29 |
| diddledan_ | done | 21:29 |
| diddledan_ | thankeee :-) | 21:29 |
| popey | np | 21:29 |
| Darael | ...anybody know of a set of programs that work like mh but can use a maildir instead of MH-format messagestores? | 21:35 |
| mgdm | Darael: http://www.jeenyus.net/linux/mdmh.html ? | 21:35 |
| Darael | mgdm: If that's the mdmh I've seen before, it's incomplete, explicitly inefficient, and hasn't had an work done since 2011. | 21:36 |
| Darael | But yes, something very much like that is what I'm looking for. | 21:36 |
| mgdm | Then, pass | 21:37 |
| Darael | s/11/04/ (!) | 21:37 |
| mgdm | I've not done anything that was CLI-based for mail in about 8 years, unless you count mutt | 21:37 |
| mgdm | (this makes me happy) | 21:37 |
| Darael | I like the idea of mh but the messagestore format is... ew. | 21:38 |
| diddledan_ | thank god for qmail | 21:42 |
| diddledan_ | (maildir is from qmail iirc) | 21:43 |
| Darael | It is, yes. | 21:43 |
| diddledan_ | yey for dan bernstein then | 21:43 |
| Darael | Although that the original spec doesn't provide for nested directories is something of an oversight. | 21:43 |
| Darael | Still, no matter. maildir++ may technically be a violation but it's a widely-supported one and one that doesn't cause problems with fully-compliant implementations. | 21:44 |
| === marlinc is now known as marlinc|away | ||
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