| snap-l | Whew, fixed up my bookcase | 02:10 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | the back cardboard is tearing away, so eventually it would just crumble | 02:10 |
| snap-l | hammered some more nails in it. Hoping to get a few more years out of it before I have to replace it | 02:11 |
| === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger | ||
| wolfger | snap-l: Yeah... because nail hole improve cardboard structural integrity.... | 09:47 |
| rick_h | morning party people | 11:08 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Well, it'll at least keep it from moving | 12:15 |
| snap-l | It's a cheap piece of crap bookcase anyway. This was just to make sure it didn't accidentally fall over and kill someone. | 12:32 |
| snap-l | I wish this code had adopted the manager pattern sooner. | 13:49 |
| snap-l | Having to deal with SQL statments directly makes me nervous that I'll miss something along the way. | 13:49 |
| rick_h | lol, I always wish code adopted cleaner stuff sooner :) | 13:49 |
| snap-l | Well, I'm already trying to shim in one thing, and it would have been nicer to have a single shim point. :) | 13:51 |
| snap-l | Almost missed the email portion of it which would not have been great). | 13:52 |
| jrwren_ | sql statements? | 14:01 |
| jrwren_ | have you considered repository pattern? | 14:02 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: Have you considered this code is over 3 years old with multiple authors and I'm on a deadline. ;) | 14:27 |
| jrwren_ | yes | 14:28 |
| rick_h | lol, always leave the code better than you found it. Works on code and on bathrooms | 14:29 |
| jrwren_ | the reason i ask, is that I don't see manager pattern mentioned in GoF or PoEAA | 14:30 |
| jrwren_ | ha! I should teach my daughter that. | 14:30 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: so he's talking about something like the django manager orm bits | 14:31 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: in sqlalchemy I use stuff like https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/models/__init__.py#L118 to contain any non-instance related methods/helpers/etc | 14:31 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: so not really a GoF, but a organization method vs pattern | 14:32 |
| jrwren_ | in the .net world we consider that an antipattern, at least somewhat. | 14:33 |
| brousch | I usually use the Fuckit Pattern | 14:33 |
| jrwren_ | brousch: fuckit usually leads to pizza or spaghetti | 14:33 |
| jrwren_ | maybe some chinese takeout | 14:34 |
| brousch | Yum | 14:34 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: why an anti-pattern? | 14:34 |
| jrwren_ | is it an alchemy-ism because you don't define your data class like you do in django? | 14:35 |
| jrwren_ | I'm not familiar enough to alchemy to say if it is the same antipattern from .net. I think it is not. | 14:36 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: honestly it's something I do myself just because I hate having Model.method_one doing stuff that's really nothing to do with Model the instance/etc. | 14:36 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h: honestly, after studying that TagMgr class for a few minutes, it is a case of Repository pattern :) | 14:37 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: and helps clean up what methods a model allows on an instance vs thinsg that you can do but have nothing to do with it. | 14:37 |
| jrwren_ | yes, exactly, understood. | 14:37 |
| jrwren_ | fowler calls that Repository pattern | 14:37 |
| rick_h | https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/models/__init__.py#L353 and https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/models/__init__.py#L594 for a better example | 14:37 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: Chalk it up to me using the word pattern loosely. | 14:37 |
| * rick_h goes to look it up | 14:38 | |
| jrwren_ | use english :) | 14:38 |
| snap-l | fuck dat sheeet. | 14:38 |
| jrwren_ | http://www.martinfowler.com/eaaCatalog/repository.html | 14:38 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: yea, this looks right | 14:38 |
| jrwren_ | its veyr close. | 14:38 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: and since SqlAlchemy uses full data mapper it probably fits nicer than some things | 14:39 |
| jrwren_ | I think maybe its not repostiory because by inheriting from Base the objects can still save/udpate themselves. | 14:39 |
| jrwren_ | the Repository is usually responsible for that. | 14:39 |
| snap-l | All I know is it's another reason rick_h is right | 14:39 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: yea, but you still need to use the Session to save/update in sqlalchemy | 14:39 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: so maybe the session is a bit of repository really | 14:40 |
| * rick_h hasn't done his required pattern reading in a long while. | 14:40 | |
| jrwren_ | nor have I | 14:40 |
| jrwren_ | I really only recall a few | 14:40 |
| snap-l | John keeps threatening us with going through the gang of four book | 14:41 |
| jrwren_ | I recall SqlAlchemy being a DataMapper | 14:41 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: yea, so model.query is an instanced of an associated Session object | 14:41 |
| jrwren_ | tehre is certainly no reason there cannot be many of these patterns. | 14:41 |
| snap-l | honestly, the patterns stuff just feels like taxonomy, and I couldn't care less what the correct word for something is. | 14:41 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: so the ModelMgr is doing the querying through that Session (repository) and returning result sets and then the model instances are smaller/simpler/lighter and only deal with instance info | 14:41 |
| snap-l | or what one programming culture calls something | 14:42 |
| rick_h | snap-l: but it's handy for talking. It'd have been simpler if you'd said "man I'm glad this code went to the repository pattern" and jrwren_ would have followed from the start and said "hells to the yea" | 14:42 |
| jrwren_ | thanks for clarifying. I get it. | 14:42 |
| jrwren_ | and I take it all back. | 14:42 |
| jrwren_ | I think it is just a behavior type. | 14:42 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Agreed | 14:42 |
| jrwren_ | you've isolated common behavior for that model type. | 14:43 |
| rick_h | jrwren_: yea, cool. I kind of tought this layout at my Sqlalchemy tutorial at PyOhio a while back and would hate to be teaching an anti-pattern | 14:43 |
| jrwren_ | definitely not an antipattern. | 14:43 |
| rick_h | so was curious in being corrected :) | 14:43 |
| snap-l | rick_h: The code I'm looking at is definitely an anti-pattern. :) | 14:43 |
| jrwren_ | its good stuff, I was just trying to understand. | 14:43 |
| rick_h | snap-l: lol yea I don't even have to look at it to know that :) | 14:43 |
| snap-l | I believe it's called the "sql blender" anti-pattern. (and don't correct me if it isn't ccalled that because reasons). | 14:44 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, I fought hard to try to get a rule that no controller should ever ever do Session.query. | 14:44 |
| rick_h | but I'm going to guess there's still a lot of that around | 14:45 |
| snap-l | Well, there's lots of old code getting C/P into new code | 14:45 |
| snap-l | thus creating the maxim: Old code never dies, it just gets copied. | 14:45 |
| rick_h | hah | 14:45 |
| rick_h | http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/carrier-advisory-group :( no us unless you count DT I guess | 14:46 |
| rick_h | /us/U.S./ | 14:46 |
| snap-l | http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130618/CARNEWS/130619824 | 14:47 |
| rick_h | ok, first camping trip in the new camper set for this weekend. What's the over/under for the number of disasters encountered? | 14:47 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, saw that the other day. Makes a lot of sense. I like how my touareg has a mix of hard button and touch screen | 14:47 |
| rick_h | especially with the slow touch screen tech used in these things | 14:48 |
| brousch | rick_h: Where are you going? | 14:48 |
| snap-l | Yeah, honestly when I was looking at cars I wanted to like the Ford Sync | 14:48 |
| snap-l | bit it felt a little clunky | 14:48 |
| snap-l | (nevermind that it rebooted while I was taking the test drive) | 14:48 |
| rick_h | brousch: http://www.destinationoakland.com/parksandtrails/campgrounds/addisonoaks/Pages/default.aspx 30min away for a nice close safe initial voyage | 14:48 |
| rick_h | snap-l: lol, that would suck | 14:48 |
| snap-l | rick_h: First trip isn't the one that all of the problems happen | 14:49 |
| rick_h | brousch: but will be up by alpena for the 4th, cadillac for aug, and in VA for sept. | 14:49 |
| snap-l | it's the second trip that the universe conspires against. :) | 14:49 |
| brousch | 87 and humid. Does the camper have AC? | 14:49 |
| rick_h | snap-l: then I'm screwed :P but at least we'll be up north with family | 14:49 |
| rick_h | brousch: why yes...yes it does :) | 14:49 |
| brousch | nice | 14:49 |
| snap-l | Knowing rick_h, it'll auto level and set up satellite internet with a make command | 14:50 |
| brousch | make campsite | 14:50 |
| rick_h | snap-l: hah, no. I did buy my own electrical setup (high capacity 6v golf cart batteries in a custom box) I delivered to them yesterday to install | 14:50 |
| rick_h | and they've got a checklist of a bunch of things I want installed/setup before I take delivery on thurs | 14:50 |
| rick_h | but no auto leveling or satellite | 14:51 |
| snap-l | did you mention no brown M&Ms? | 14:51 |
| * rick_h writes that down for the next time | 14:51 | |
| snap-l | So, does Clarkston allow you to park your camper on your property, or are they anal like I've heard Troy is. | 14:53 |
| rick_h | snap-l: so I'll have it in my driveway for short times pre/post travel. But I'm going to sign up for an indoor storage place tomorrow | 14:53 |
| snap-l | yeah, that's what I thought | 14:54 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: liking the mix on digital gunfire at the moment | 14:54 |
| ColonelPanic001 | damn. I haven't listened to DG in ages | 14:56 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I have to do that today | 14:56 |
| rick_h | snap-l: so according to the twp ordinances here I can park it in my driveway as long as I don't hit the street with it | 14:58 |
| rick_h | snap-l: and it can't have permanent hookups to sewer/electrical/etc | 14:58 |
| brousch | Don't be that guy! | 14:59 |
| rick_h | heh, I don't want it sitting in the sun when I'm not using it so it won't be there much for sure. | 14:59 |
| rick_h | brousch: http://www.generalrv.com/inventory/286100/New-2014-Jayco-Jay-Feather-Ultra-Lite-X23B.aspx is what we're getting | 15:00 |
| rick_h | now to setup a camping bookie sprint lol | 15:00 |
| brousch | looks like my brother's. They really like it | 15:00 |
| rick_h | yea, I'm excited. I think it'll make for some good times with the boy at the current age and such | 15:01 |
| trevlar | I loved camping with my family when I was little | 15:16 |
| trevlar | definitely get one of these. my favorite camping accessory :) http://r1.coleman.com/ProductImages/Full/822-707T_500.jpg | 15:16 |
| brousch | I don't like camping | 15:17 |
| snap-l | JoDee doesn't like to camp. I don't mind it, having grown up with it. | 15:24 |
| rick_h | I've got visions of bookie hacking under an awning in some woods :) | 15:24 |
| jrwren_ | my back yard is close enough to camping for me :p | 15:27 |
| jrwren_ | i'm just getting use to house living instead of apt. living. | 15:27 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: Getting used to having to mow? | 15:28 |
| snap-l | Or do they hve an ordinance against grass growing there? :) | 15:28 |
| jrwren_ | hired it out | 15:35 |
| jrwren_ | i choose to skip that part of life | 15:35 |
| rick_h | lol of the day https://twitter.com/benbangert/status/347014183692410880 | 15:37 |
| snap-l | rick_h: ++ | 15:50 |
| snap-l | BTW: The BrickPip project funded with $127k | 17:05 |
| snap-l | s/BrickPip/BrickPi/ | 17:05 |
| jrwren_ | snap-l: did you see the A23 kickstarter? | 17:14 |
| snap-l | No, what is it? | 17:21 |
| snap-l | Assemblage 23? | 17:21 |
| jrwren_ | yes | 17:24 |
| snap-l | Really wish this was CC licensed. ;) | 17:25 |
| snap-l | but only because I'd love to play assemblage 23 on the podcast. | 17:28 |
| snap-l | I'm just happy I have Stromkern on the Mind / Body Vol. 3. ;) | 17:29 |
| jrwren_ | stromkern put out new stuff? | 17:33 |
| snap-l | This is an old r.m.Industrial compilation | 17:33 |
| snap-l | rec.music.industrial | 17:33 |
| jrwren_ | rmi is sitll around? | 17:34 |
| jrwren_ | i read rmi a few times back in the 90s | 17:34 |
| snap-l | http://www.discogs.com/Various-Mind-Body-Compilation-Volume-3/release/812293 | 17:34 |
| snap-l | I also have Stromkern's Light it Up album in digital form | 17:35 |
| snap-l | added more to my wishlist. | 17:35 |
| jrwren_ | good album | 17:35 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's great mowing music. :) | 17:36 |
| snap-l | http://www.discogs.com/Stromkern-Light-It-Up/master/41534 | 17:37 |
| greg-g | jrwren_: whoa, your retweet just blew my mind | 17:44 |
| greg-g | the madonna one | 17:44 |
| jrwren_ | :) | 18:07 |
| greg-g | and now I'm reading the rape story and disgusted | 18:08 |
| jrwren_ | brave writing. | 18:14 |
| jrwren_ | i need to start saving these and have my daughter read them when she is older | 18:14 |
| greg-g | ditto re my son | 18:19 |
| snap-l | I don't understand how someone could do that (was re: the rape story) | 18:24 |
| jrwren_ | sociopaths are around :( | 18:24 |
| jrwren_ | the scary part to me is that the same person was functional enough to have a professional job. | 18:25 |
| greg-g | right, if you're in an org of any size, really, you're working with someone who would do/has done this (chances are) | 18:27 |
| jrwren_ | scary | 18:29 |
| snap-l | There's something to be said for consensual. :) | 18:29 |
| jrwren_ | ha! | 18:30 |
| jrwren_ | i REALLY need to get to know make better. | 18:32 |
| jrwren_ | https://github.com/mbostock/world-atlas/blob/master/Makefile | 18:32 |
| snap-l | And I'm pretty sure "am I going to rot in prison for killing this asshole" is not the kind of sexy-time pillowtalk that most folks crave. | 18:34 |
| jrwren_ | rule54? | 18:36 |
| jrwren_ | but certainly not "most folks" | 18:36 |
| snap-l | I think you mean Rule 34 | 18:37 |
| snap-l | which probably means there's porn of someone out there using the Make command. | 18:37 |
| jrwren_ | oh, yes, that. | 18:37 |
| jrwren_ | its probably make me a sandwich porn | 18:37 |
| * brousch looks at rick_h's video collection | 18:38 | |
| * rick_h unplugs the NAS from the internet real quick... | 18:39 | |
| snap-l | "You Autocomplete Me, vol 2" | 18:39 |
| snap-l | "ZSH hotties from hell" | 18:39 |
| jrwren_ | root cause analysis | 18:40 |
| snap-l | Here we go: Gals of Sudo: Make me | 18:40 |
| snap-l | I can't wait to leave this airconditioning so I can be cool outside. | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Ugh | 19:37 |
| brousch | You're cool everywhere you go, snap-l | 19:41 |
| snap-l | I wish. :) | 19:42 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Re: relicensing MySQL man pages: Fuck that shit. | 20:06 |
| snap-l | https://blog.mariadb.org/mysql-man-pages-silently-relicensed-away-from-gpl/ | 20:06 |
| snap-l | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/preface.html#legalnotice | 20:08 |
| jrwren_ | oracle! | 20:09 |
| greg-g | so glad WMF switched to MariaDB recently :) | 20:38 |
| greg-g | ef oracle | 20:38 |
| greg-g | snap-l: I just listened to the Allergic Reactionary episode, and uh, what an ending | 22:25 |
| snap-l | greg-g: You like? :) | 23:48 |
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