[00:03] <brainwashed> personally I try to avoid all the mac os "enhancements" flooding the linux enviroment
[00:03] <brainwashed> just take a look at Unity
[00:03] <knome> !offtopic
[00:05] <nagev> I moved to Xubuntu a few days ago after having used Ubuntu since version 8.04.  It's so much faster, it's like I have a new laptop!  I love it.
[00:13] <girl> ==
[00:14] <girl> == just learning
[00:14] <girl> == k just figured out how to chat
[00:15] <girl> == I just installed VMware 3.1 (nothing newer installs on 32bit)
[00:15] <girl> == now I want to install a lite os  I picked xubuntu PrecisePangolin
[00:16] <girl> ==anyone else running this?
[00:17] <girl> == no one?
[00:17] <nagev> i use virtualbox
[00:18] <girl> == thats my next try but i have been using VM in the past
[00:18] <nagev> right
[00:19] <girl> == so this chat thing...is it for asking questions?
[00:19] <nagev> yes
[00:20] <girl> == K well then i will just wait for some one who has installed what i am installing..........
[00:21] <girl> ==are other peolple chatting right now?  why dont i see a bunch of conversations going on?
[00:21] <brainwashed> girl: did you encounter any problem so far? if now, go ahead and continue installing it
[00:21] <nagev> just happens to be quiet on here at the moment. it does get busier.
[00:22] <th0r> Everyone is waiting for you to ask a question
[00:22] <girl> == i did a bunch of attempts trying to install ubuntu 12 only to find out that it doesnt install on VMware3.1
[00:23] <girl> ==i thought i would just chat while it was installing this new try with Xubuntu
[00:24] <brainwashed> you will have to provide more details, "it doesnt install" just is not enough to be able to assist you
[00:24] <brainwashed> like error messages
[00:25] <girl> on the documentation it didnt say how big a disk size i needed. te default is 20GB I think i should make it bigger, like 40GB?  I can only have that much left
[00:25] <nagev> girl: you could also try the #vmware channel
[00:26] <girl> == oh? do i do that on this site?
[00:27] <brainwashed> joining another channel?
[00:28] <girl> == right how do i do that?
[00:28] <brainwashed> try  /join #vmware
[00:28] <nagev> girl: i don't know what site you are on.  You would need an irc client installed, connect to freenode server, then join #vmware
[00:28] <girl> == It worked!!!
[00:29] <girl> thank you!
[00:29] <brainwashed> woah, 418 people there
[01:05] <nagev> anyone know which dropbox to install in xubuntu?   the deb from the dropbox website or the nautilus-dropbox package in the multiverse repository?
[01:06] <holstein> nagev: are you using nautilus?
[01:06] <nagev> no. i don't want to use nautilus and i don't think the nautilus-dropbox multiverse package requires it.
[01:07] <holstein> i have only used the one from the stie, but AFAIK, nautilus-dropbox is a plugin for nautilus
[01:07] <Unit193> nautilus-dropbox is the right one.
[01:10] <holstein> Unit193: its just the plugin though, correct?
[01:10] <Unit193> holstein: No, it contains the plugin, but downloads and installs dropbox.
[01:10] <holstein> nice
[01:11] <nagev> yeh that's what it did, i just installed it. thanks
[01:11] <holstein> i didnt think we could include it, but i guess its just going to get the one from the site anyways
[01:11] <Unit193> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39K Jan 30 14:07 /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-3.0/libnautilus-dropbox.so   isn't big enough to bug me, and I personally have thunar-dropbox-plugin installed too.
[01:11] <Unit193> holstein: It's kind of like flashplugin-installer
[01:11] <holstein> right.. that makes sense
[01:12] <Unit193> (Quite different from adobe-flashplugin, though. ;) )
[01:12] <holstein> :)
[01:14] <nagev> Unit193: which thunar plugin do you use?  this? : http://packages.crunchbang.org/waldorf/pool/main/thunar-dropbox-plugin_0.2.0-1_amd64.deb
[01:15] <holstein> i have used that one in the past
[01:15] <Unit193> Well, losely, yes.  I rebuilt against raring.
[01:29] <haljhon> hi
[01:42] <haljhon> I'm trying Lubuntu right now... it seems interesting.
[01:42] <haljhon> however, I've found that I really much prefer Xubuntu at my office...
[01:43] <haljhon> It's taken a while but I finally have a group of nerds that work with me and we all get to run our variants on "the perfect Linux work environment"
[01:43] <Unit193> Heh.
[01:50] <haljhon> I have an old contact from work that works for Canonical now
[01:50] <haljhon> I would suspect that he lurks around here
[01:51] <haljhon> looks like it's nuclearbob
[02:02] <girl> == <brainwashed>  hey,   can u tell me how to change/add another channel?  i will write it down this time, i lost it cause the internet failed earlier
[02:02] <nagev> girl: /join #channelname
[02:03] <girl> thanks!
[03:13] <staybased> i'm using a macbook pro and have some issues.
[03:14] <staybased> anyone here?
[03:15] <staybased> uh
[03:15] <staybased> aperson
[03:15] <nagev> hi
[03:16] <staybased> can you help nagev?
[03:16] <nagev> maybe. what are the issues?
[03:16] <staybased> i'm on a macbook pro
[03:16] <staybased> and
[03:16] <staybased> my keyboard may be messed up
[03:16] <staybased> im on osx right now
[03:17] <staybased> when I highlight something then type more the highlighted text will bring me mid-sentence and paste
[03:17] <staybased> for no reason.
[03:17] <staybased> also terminal was opening for no reason while i was typing.
[03:18] <nagev> thats odd. if you highlight something and then type it would usually replace whatever was highlighted.
[03:18] <nagev> try checking the keyboard layout preferences
[03:18] <staybased> ok
[03:18] <staybased> so
[03:19] <staybased> I have xchat installed
[03:19] <staybased> but where does it go when it's installed?
[03:19] <nagev> in the internet section of the applications menu
[03:19] <staybased> how would I know that beforehand?
[03:20] <nagev> you wouldn't necessarily know that, but it's somewhat logical!
[03:21] <staybased> okay...
[03:21] <staybased> so I just need to search every time I install an application?
[03:22] <nagev> you get used to it.  applications get categorised into submenus of the main applications menu.  other linux distros i have used do the same.
[03:24] <nagev> you shouldnt need to search, just browse the menu.  you know xchat is not a game so it wouldn't be under Games, or Education or Development, so it is fairly logical.
[03:26] <nagev> I haven't used a macbook pro but I just checked the keyboard layout settings here in xubuntu and there is a setting for Macbook Pro so try setting it to that if not already selected.
[03:39] <staybased> There is a specific macbook pro setting nagev?
[03:39] <nagev> yes
[03:39] <staybased> also the keyboard layout is a setting under the rat menu?
[03:40] <staybased> you're immensely helpful thanks so much.
[03:40] <nagev> Applications Menu -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard -> Layout
[03:40] <staybased> ok
[03:40] <nagev> no problem
[03:40] <pleia2> it's a mouse :)
[03:40] <staybased> applications manager is under the rat?
[03:40] <staybased> sorry, mouse.
[03:41] <pleia2> yes
[03:41] <nagev> what is the rat?!
[03:41] <staybased> at the top left corner
[03:41] <staybased> the main menu
[03:42] <nagev> yes
[03:42] <staybased> ok booting to xubuntu
[03:42] <staybased> bye
[03:42] <nagev> bye, good luck!
[03:50] <horseface> hey
[03:50] <horseface> im back on xubuntu
[03:50] <nagev> hi
[03:51] <horseface> what under settings manager do i choose?
[03:51] <nagev> Keyboard
[03:51] <nagev> then Layout
[03:51] <horseface> There's one that says just "Keyboard?"
[03:51] <nagev> yes
[03:52] <horseface> (Intl) means intel processor?
[03:53] <nagev> International , probably
[03:53] <horseface> oh,
[03:53] <horseface> so I'm just Macbook Pro, not Macbook Pro (Intl)?
[03:53] <horseface> im in USA
[03:54] <nagev> I don't know.  I would try just Macbook Pro first, then the Intl if it doesn't fix your issue.
[03:54] <horseface> it's not fixing.
[03:55] <horseface> do youve any other ideas?
[03:56] <nagev> no, i'm afraid not :(
[03:56] <holstein> bad hardware is my idea
[03:56] <horseface> maybe I should stick  with OSX until I get a thinkpad...
[03:56] <horseface> well shieetttt
[03:57] <horseface>  wanted to use linux
[03:57] <horseface> but NO
[03:57] <horseface> goodnight
[03:57] <holstein> !macbook
[03:57] <nagev> well if the keyboard works ok in osx it's likely not a hardware problem.
[03:57] <holstein> yeah.. *if* it does.. does it horseface ?
[03:57] <horseface> It does work in OSX
[03:58] <horseface> this is horrect itw it types if i dont co
[03:58] <holstein> horseface: which macbook do you have from the wiki i pasted?
[03:58] <horseface> 8,2
[03:59] <horseface> 8,2 is whatyou meAN RIGHT?
[03:59] <horseface> got to go to bed, also this keyboard is insanely out of line.
[03:59] <holstein> if thats what the wiki says.. are you on 13.04? if so, try 12.04.. try them live.. have you applied al upgrades?
[04:00] <holstein> horseface: come back when you have more time to spend with one of the volunteers here.. cheers!
[04:00] <horseface> how do I check for updates?
[04:00] <horseface> night, thanks for helping me.
[04:00] <holstein> horseface: you can use the update manager.. or use the terminal.. you can run all upgrades and reboot.. maybe into a newer kernel with a fix for your hardware
[04:01] <holstein> otherwise, i woud try 12.04 if you are using 13.04.. or 13.04 if you are using 12.04... try them live
[04:01] <horseface> I'm using xfce 4.10
[04:02] <horseface> don't know what xubuntu type
[04:02] <horseface> probably the latest
[04:02] <horseface> well
[04:02] <horseface> goodnight again
[04:02] <horseface> 13.04
[06:11] <aibarra> hi everyone!
[09:30] <_JuJuBee> I cannot locate the app that manages my power settings.  My screen does not shut off anymore.
[09:32] <_JuJuBee> Hmmm brightness and lock?  But it is set to 30 minutes yet my screen never shuts off.
[15:24] <xubuntu611> fuck
[15:29]  * genii tests
[18:16] <dunpeal> Why do hidden/minimized windows show up in my task switcher?
[18:17] <Sysi> alttab? because you haven't set to not include them
[18:18] <Sysi> see window manager tweaks
[18:20] <dunpeal> Sysi: thanks, that was it :)
[18:21] <dunpeal> Sysi: I'm deploying multiple systems with this setting; is there a way to set it by script?
[18:21] <dunpeal> e.g. by modifying some file on-disk?
[18:22] <bladesandwich> Hey guys, is there anyone who can help me with some booting problems? I'm a newb with Linux
[18:22] <Sysi> dunpeal: xfconf-query is possible to script, it'll take a little while for me to check it
[18:24] <dunpeal> Sysi: thanks, looks like it's xfwm4/general/cycle_hidden
[18:27] <Sysi> yeah, xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/cycle_hidden -s false
[18:30] <dunpeal> yup, my conclusion exactly.
[18:31] <dunpeal> I arrived at the exact same line
[18:31] <Sysi> I love help cases that solve themselves
[18:31] <dunpeal> Sysi: btw, any idea which file on the disk xfconf-query is persisting to?
[18:32] <Sysi> some xml in ~/.config
[18:32] <Sysi> they can't be changed manually while logged in (possible to add to /etc/skel though)
[18:55] <dunpeal> Cool, thanks. Another thing I was wondering about: is there a way to focus on a Panel "item" using the keyboard?
[18:55] <dunpeal> E.g. I'd like to focus on (and expand) the "Window Menu" widget, which is the first widget on my "Panel 0"
[18:56] <Sysi> you can bind hotkey to that special widget but there's not general way to it
[18:57] <Sysi> command xfce4-popup-windowmenu should open it
[19:02] <dunpeal> Sysi: very cool, thanks so much!
[19:17] <noooooo> helo
[19:17] <noooooo> I want to do the mentioned updates
[19:18] <noooooo> security updates and so on
[19:18] <noooooo> but it doesnt work
[19:18] <noooooo> error:
[19:18] <noooooo> Requires installation of untrusted packages
[19:19] <noooooo> The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[19:19] <noooooo> why?
[19:19] <noooooo> whats wrong here>?
[19:19] <noooooo> how to solve this?
[19:20] <holstein> noooooo: did you add untrusted sources? from ppa?
[19:20] <noooooo> no
[19:20] <holstein> noooooo: run in a terminal "sudo apt-get update" and share the output via pastebin
[19:22] <noooooo> http://pastebin.com/7qvfFVi7
[19:24] <Unit193> noooooo: Now can you share the error you'll see with   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ?
[19:24] <holstein> yup ^^
[19:28] <holstein> noooooo: so? whats the error from running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the terminal?
[19:29] <noooooo> well
[19:29] <noooooo> Unit193:  i dont want to upgrade my distribution
[19:29] <noooooo> im running 12.04 long term support
[19:29] <noooooo> im happy with it
[19:29] <holstein> noooooo: thats *not* what that command does.. feel free and search what that command does
[19:30] <holstein> otherwise, run it in a terminal, as we suggest, and share the output
[19:30] <noooooo> ah yes sorry
[19:30] <holstein> its does *not* upgrade the distro to 12.10
[19:30] <noooooo> it seems to work
[19:30] <noooooo> its downloading right now ...
[19:31] <Unit193> >_>
[19:31]  * Unit193 blames update-manager.
[19:31] <holstein> agreed
[19:31] <noooooo> update manager is buggy??
[19:32] <Unit193> If you run it now does it still error out?
[19:32] <noooooo> now its installing the new kernel, no error until now
[19:33] <holstein> noooooo: dont interrupt the upgrade
[19:34] <noooooo> ... grub ...
[19:34] <noooooo> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:35] <noooooo> now the restar icon is in the tray
[19:35] <noooooo> seems that everything worked
[19:35] <noooooo> so ... welll
[19:35] <noooooo> the update manager is buggy
[19:35] <noooooo> strange
[19:36] <holstein> well, you seem to have experienced an issue with it
[19:36] <holstein> you cant say "its buggy", blanketly from that
[19:36] <holstein> i mean, you can.. but you are assuming.. its just one blip.. i wouldnt worry til you see it again.. cheers!
[19:36] <Unit193> If you see it again, I'd recommend filing a bug report.
[19:36] <holstein> !bug
[19:40] <noooooo> ok
[19:40] <noooooo> thanks a lot for ur help!
[19:40] <noooooo> see ya
[19:40] <noooooo> thx
[21:15] <dunpeal> Is there a command-line key to add keyboard shortcuts
[21:15] <dunpeal> ?
[21:16] <TheSheep> no
[21:16] <ochosi> yeah, you can do it with xfconf-query
[21:16] <TheSheep> ah, that
[21:16]  * TheSheep forgot
[21:16] <ochosi> but it's not easier than using the UI
[21:16] <TheSheep> but don't you need to know the scancodes?
[21:16] <ochosi> yup
[21:16] <dunpeal> ochosi: ease is not important. only scriptability is important.
[21:16] <dunpeal> I like Xubuntu so much I'm switching EVERYTHING to it
[21:17] <ochosi> good plan
[21:17] <ochosi> yeah, actually you can also just copy the xml file in that case ;)
[21:17] <ochosi> no need to script that
[21:17] <dunpeal> (see how I referenced two different Luc Besson flicks there?)
[21:17] <dunpeal> ochosi: sure, but that's not portable across versions.
[21:18] <ochosi> it's in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[21:18] <ochosi> why not?
[21:19] <dunpeal> it would clobber whatever is already there.
[21:19] <ochosi> right, i thought you want to set up 100 machines from scratch
[21:21] <dunpeal> indeed, but the way I plan to do that is write a script that would run after a vanilla install
[21:21] <dunpeal> i.e. "patching" a vanilla install, whatever that install might be
[21:21] <dunpeal> I want to setup a ton of boxes right now, but then in a few months some folks would like to install 13.10 etc.
[21:22] <dunpeal> anyways, I love XFCE so much, please never change it.
[21:22] <Noskcaj> dunpeal, it will evolve whether or ot you want it to
[21:22] <Noskcaj> s/ot/or
[21:22] <dunpeal> you mean s/ot/not
[21:23] <dunpeal> and nooooooo!
[21:23] <dunpeal> eventually it will grow to be a big bloat like Gnome and I'll hate it.
[21:23] <dunpeal> or it will start telling me how I want to use my computer.
[21:24] <ochosi> i don't think it'll ever do that
[21:24] <ochosi> anyway, even if people upgrade, why would you run that kb-shortcuts script again?
[21:24] <ochosi> i mean kb-shortcuts aren't thrown away, they're in /home anyway
[21:25] <dunpeal> not upgrade
[21:25] <ochosi> and it doesn't look like anyone's gonna break the xfconf api anytime soon
[21:26] <dunpeal> see, John will join the company on November, and I'd have to setup a box for him. if all I have is an XML of the enhanced 13.04 shortcuts, all I can do is clobber the 13.10 one with it
[21:26] <dunpeal> and hope it didn't add anything important / useful
[21:27] <dunpeal> with a script that works through xfconf-query, I just add the shortcuts to whatever 13.10 puts there by default.
[21:27] <ochosi> right, i assumed that you set your own shortcuts and don't care so much about the ones we decide for in xubuntu :)
[21:27] <ochosi> ok
[21:28] <ochosi> dunpeal: anyway, i'm not sure whether the shortcuts are checked for duplicates
[21:28] <ochosi> so you might end up having to check them for conflicts anyway
[21:29] <dunpeal> ochosi: yup, that I will, and if necessry I can change the script.
[21:30] <dunpeal> I really love Xubuntu, it's just the right level of abstraction.
[21:30] <brokenxubuntu> Guys, my internet on my xubuntu is messing up, i have a 4bar connection, yet it refuses to load any pages
[21:30] <ochosi> you can also use git to manage the xml file and just merge the 13.10 one in
[21:33] <nukke> brokenxubuntu: do you have any other devices on which you could test your wifi connection?
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> nope, just my onboard wifi
[21:34] <nukke> make sure it's xubuntu's problem first
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> It worked perfectly fine before
[21:34] <ochosi> before what? :)
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> hmmm....
[21:34] <nukke> did you update recently?
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> i tried installing aircrack, i removed it, i dl'd vlc, lxde (then removed)
[21:35] <brokenxubuntu> nope
[21:35] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: no internet connection, can't update
[21:35] <nukke> ah. aircrack might've messed something up
[21:35] <brokenxubuntu> ok
[21:37] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: see http://imgbin.org/images/14257.png
[21:38] <nukke> ah, ok, so it IS a problem with xubuntu (assuming all the other computers connect at the library are working)
[21:39] <nukke> you can IRC perfectly fine, right brokenxubuntu
[21:39] <brokenxubuntu> they are, i'm on irc on the library desktop
[21:39] <nukke> what does it say when you click on "connection information"?
[21:39] <brokenxubuntu> want me to screencap it?
[21:40] <nukke> not necessarily. just make sure it's all filled up with numbers
[21:40] <brokenxubuntu> ok
[21:40] <brokenxubuntu> it is
[21:41] <nukke> under "driver", what does it say?
[21:42] <brokenxubuntu> "ath5k"
[21:45] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: ff just does this: http://imgbin.org/images/14258.png
[21:56] <brokenxubuntu> my xubuntu just went full retard...
[21:57] <brokenxubuntu> i don't know how,  but yea http://imgbin.org/images/14259.png
[22:14] <dunpeal> An interesting error I keep seeing, for example when launching xfce4-panel:
[22:14] <dunpeal> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
[22:17] <Unit193> Did you install font-manager?  Remove ~/.fonts.conf and it'll go away. :P
[22:18] <dunpeal> Unit193: apparently, I did not. should I?
[22:18] <Unit193> No, that's an example application that creates that file.
[22:19] <dunpeal> it looks like the anti-aliasing settings I set through "Settings Manager"
[22:20] <dunpeal> i.e. "Setting Manager -> Appearance -> Fonts"
[22:20] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: any ideas?
[22:20] <Unit193> It currently works, but if you want that message to go away move the file to ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf but be warned that Appearance will no longer think that it's set.  I'd just ignore it.
[22:22] <dunpeal> OK, if it works, I'll just put notice for everyone to ignore it. Thanks.
[22:23]  * Noskcaj is away: school
[22:25] <dunpeal> Any idea why the following silently fails?:
[22:25] <dunpeal> xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts -p '/commands/default/<Super>m' -s "xfce4-popup-windowmenu"
[22:26] <mikefrett> Excuse me, I have a question. With so much confusion about Mir, Might anyone here be so kind as to tell me what Mir means for Xubuntu to put my mind at ease?.
[22:28] <dunpeal> mikefrett: afaik, not much, which is one of the reasons I'm here
[22:28] <dunpeal> but I'll let one of the experts answer better.
[22:30] <dunpeal> mikefrett: Mir is supposed to replace X, not the desktop manager. so in theory, one of two outcomes is possible:
[22:30] <dunpeal> 1) Ubuntu derivatives (e.g. Xubuntu, Kubuntu) stay on X, i.e. nothing changes
[22:31] <dunpeal> 2) The derivatives migrate to Mir, in which case nothing *should* change, at least not for the worse, barring bugs and such.
[22:32] <mikefrett> Thank you, appreciate your answer.
[22:35] <kitler> how do I restore a user's network config to default
[22:36] <dunpeal> mikefrett: No problem. Of course, if Mir is amazing, you may expect outcome 2 with end-user benefits such as better performance, stability, etc. But in any case, assuming no catastrophe, you're not supposed to have any degradation at the end-user level experience.
[22:36] <dunpeal> And hopefully nobody would force a disaster like 3D Unity on us humble Xubuntu users ;)
[22:45] <dunpeal> P.S. the xfconf-query above didn't work since there was a "custom" binding shadowing it
[23:02] <Xxepicshot69xX> So I got help yesterday from someone who told me to set my keyboard settings to Macbook Pro, but it did not help. Thanks for the tip though.
[23:03] <Xxepicshot69xX> My keyboard functions strangely in Xubuntu.
[23:03] <Xxepicshot69xX> Anyone here?
[23:04] <Xxepicshot69xX> I was told to come back when I have more time to be helped.
[23:07] <Xxepicshot69xX> Does anyone know of my problem with the keyboarD?
[23:08] <dunpeal> Xxepicshot69xX: you definitely need to provide a few more details than that.
[23:08] <dunpeal> e.g. "stragely" how?
[23:08] <Xxepicshot69xX> I meant strangely
[23:08] <Xxepicshot69xX> when I highlight something (not even necessarily copy)
[23:09] <Xxepicshot69xX> the next time I try to type things
[23:09] <Xxepicshot69xX> the last things highlighted will paste in a random place of the sentence
[23:09] <Xxepicshot69xX> happens frequently, no way to use Xubuntu with it currently booted to OSX
[23:10] <Xxepicshot69xX> dunpeal?
[23:12] <dunpeal> no idea, sorry. almost sounds like some buttons are accidentally pressed.
[23:12] <Xxepicshot69xX> *sigh*