[00:03] personally I try to avoid all the mac os "enhancements" flooding the linux enviroment [00:03] just take a look at Unity [00:03] !offtopic [00:03] #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [00:05] I moved to Xubuntu a few days ago after having used Ubuntu since version 8.04. It's so much faster, it's like I have a new laptop! I love it. [00:13] == [00:14] == just learning [00:14] == k just figured out how to chat [00:15] == I just installed VMware 3.1 (nothing newer installs on 32bit) [00:15] == now I want to install a lite os I picked xubuntu PrecisePangolin [00:16] ==anyone else running this? [00:17] == no one? [00:17] i use virtualbox [00:18] == thats my next try but i have been using VM in the past [00:18] right [00:19] == so this chat thing...is it for asking questions? [00:19] yes [00:20] == K well then i will just wait for some one who has installed what i am installing.......... [00:21] ==are other peolple chatting right now? why dont i see a bunch of conversations going on? [00:21] girl: did you encounter any problem so far? if now, go ahead and continue installing it [00:21] just happens to be quiet on here at the moment. it does get busier. [00:22] Everyone is waiting for you to ask a question [00:22] == i did a bunch of attempts trying to install ubuntu 12 only to find out that it doesnt install on VMware3.1 [00:23] ==i thought i would just chat while it was installing this new try with Xubuntu [00:24] you will have to provide more details, "it doesnt install" just is not enough to be able to assist you [00:24] like error messages [00:25] on the documentation it didnt say how big a disk size i needed. te default is 20GB I think i should make it bigger, like 40GB? I can only have that much left [00:25] girl: you could also try the #vmware channel [00:26] == oh? do i do that on this site? [00:27] joining another channel? [00:28] == right how do i do that? [00:28] try /join #vmware [00:28] girl: i don't know what site you are on. You would need an irc client installed, connect to freenode server, then join #vmware [00:28] == It worked!!! [00:29] thank you! [00:29] woah, 418 people there [01:05] anyone know which dropbox to install in xubuntu? the deb from the dropbox website or the nautilus-dropbox package in the multiverse repository? [01:06] nagev: are you using nautilus? [01:06] no. i don't want to use nautilus and i don't think the nautilus-dropbox multiverse package requires it. [01:07] i have only used the one from the stie, but AFAIK, nautilus-dropbox is a plugin for nautilus [01:07] nautilus-dropbox is the right one. [01:10] Unit193: its just the plugin though, correct? [01:10] holstein: No, it contains the plugin, but downloads and installs dropbox. [01:10] nice [01:11] yeh that's what it did, i just installed it. thanks [01:11] i didnt think we could include it, but i guess its just going to get the one from the site anyways [01:11] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39K Jan 30 14:07 /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-3.0/libnautilus-dropbox.so isn't big enough to bug me, and I personally have thunar-dropbox-plugin installed too. [01:11] holstein: It's kind of like flashplugin-installer [01:11] right.. that makes sense [01:12] (Quite different from adobe-flashplugin, though. ;) ) [01:12] :) [01:14] Unit193: which thunar plugin do you use? this? : http://packages.crunchbang.org/waldorf/pool/main/thunar-dropbox-plugin_0.2.0-1_amd64.deb [01:15] i have used that one in the past [01:15] Well, losely, yes. I rebuilt against raring. [01:29] hi === iTails is now known as ClassANetwork [01:42] I'm trying Lubuntu right now... it seems interesting. [01:42] however, I've found that I really much prefer Xubuntu at my office... [01:43] It's taken a while but I finally have a group of nerds that work with me and we all get to run our variants on "the perfect Linux work environment" [01:43] Heh. [01:50] I have an old contact from work that works for Canonical now [01:50] I would suspect that he lurks around here [01:51] looks like it's nuclearbob [02:02] == hey, can u tell me how to change/add another channel? i will write it down this time, i lost it cause the internet failed earlier [02:02] girl: /join #channelname [02:03] thanks! [03:13] i'm using a macbook pro and have some issues. [03:14] anyone here? [03:15] uh [03:15] aperson [03:15] hi [03:16] can you help nagev? [03:16] maybe. what are the issues? [03:16] i'm on a macbook pro [03:16] and [03:16] my keyboard may be messed up [03:16] im on osx right now [03:17] when I highlight something then type more the highlighted text will bring me mid-sentence and paste [03:17] for no reason. [03:17] also terminal was opening for no reason while i was typing. [03:18] thats odd. if you highlight something and then type it would usually replace whatever was highlighted. [03:18] try checking the keyboard layout preferences [03:18] ok [03:18] so [03:19] I have xchat installed [03:19] but where does it go when it's installed? [03:19] in the internet section of the applications menu [03:19] how would I know that beforehand? [03:20] you wouldn't necessarily know that, but it's somewhat logical! [03:21] okay... [03:21] so I just need to search every time I install an application? [03:22] you get used to it. applications get categorised into submenus of the main applications menu. other linux distros i have used do the same. [03:24] you shouldnt need to search, just browse the menu. you know xchat is not a game so it wouldn't be under Games, or Education or Development, so it is fairly logical. [03:26] I haven't used a macbook pro but I just checked the keyboard layout settings here in xubuntu and there is a setting for Macbook Pro so try setting it to that if not already selected. [03:39] There is a specific macbook pro setting nagev? [03:39] yes [03:39] also the keyboard layout is a setting under the rat menu? [03:40] you're immensely helpful thanks so much. [03:40] Applications Menu -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard -> Layout [03:40] ok [03:40] no problem [03:40] it's a mouse :) [03:40] applications manager is under the rat? [03:40] sorry, mouse. [03:41] yes [03:41] what is the rat?! [03:41] at the top left corner [03:41] the main menu [03:42] yes [03:42] ok booting to xubuntu [03:42] bye [03:42] bye, good luck! [03:50] hey [03:50] im back on xubuntu [03:50] hi [03:51] what under settings manager do i choose? [03:51] Keyboard [03:51] then Layout [03:51] There's one that says just "Keyboard?" [03:51] yes [03:52] (Intl) means intel processor? [03:53] International , probably [03:53] oh, [03:53] so I'm just Macbook Pro, not Macbook Pro (Intl)? [03:53] im in USA [03:54] I don't know. I would try just Macbook Pro first, then the Intl if it doesn't fix your issue. [03:54] it's not fixing. [03:55] do youve any other ideas? [03:56] no, i'm afraid not :( [03:56] bad hardware is my idea [03:56] maybe I should stick with OSX until I get a thinkpad... [03:56] well shieetttt [03:57] wanted to use linux [03:57] but NO [03:57] goodnight [03:57] !macbook [03:57] For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages [03:57] well if the keyboard works ok in osx it's likely not a hardware problem. [03:57] yeah.. *if* it does.. does it horseface ? [03:57] It does work in OSX [03:58] this is horrect itw it types if i dont co [03:58] horseface: which macbook do you have from the wiki i pasted? [03:58] 8,2 [03:59] 8,2 is whatyou meAN RIGHT? [03:59] got to go to bed, also this keyboard is insanely out of line. [03:59] if thats what the wiki says.. are you on 13.04? if so, try 12.04.. try them live.. have you applied al upgrades? [04:00] horseface: come back when you have more time to spend with one of the volunteers here.. cheers! [04:00] how do I check for updates? [04:00] night, thanks for helping me. [04:00] horseface: you can use the update manager.. or use the terminal.. you can run all upgrades and reboot.. maybe into a newer kernel with a fix for your hardware [04:01] otherwise, i woud try 12.04 if you are using 13.04.. or 13.04 if you are using 12.04... try them live [04:01] I'm using xfce 4.10 [04:02] don't know what xubuntu type [04:02] probably the latest [04:02] well [04:02] goodnight again [04:02] 13.04 [06:11] hi everyone! [09:30] <_JuJuBee> I cannot locate the app that manages my power settings. My screen does not shut off anymore. [09:32] <_JuJuBee> Hmmm brightness and lock? But it is set to 30 minutes yet my screen never shuts off. === jeanaustinr is now known as jeanaustinr|x === jeanaustinr is now known as jeanaustinr|x [15:24] fuck [15:29] * genii tests [18:16] Why do hidden/minimized windows show up in my task switcher? [18:17] alttab? because you haven't set to not include them [18:18] see window manager tweaks [18:20] Sysi: thanks, that was it :) [18:21] Sysi: I'm deploying multiple systems with this setting; is there a way to set it by script? [18:21] e.g. by modifying some file on-disk? [18:22] Hey guys, is there anyone who can help me with some booting problems? I'm a newb with Linux [18:22] dunpeal: xfconf-query is possible to script, it'll take a little while for me to check it [18:24] Sysi: thanks, looks like it's xfwm4/general/cycle_hidden [18:27] yeah, xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/cycle_hidden -s false [18:30] yup, my conclusion exactly. [18:31] I arrived at the exact same line [18:31] I love help cases that solve themselves [18:31] Sysi: btw, any idea which file on the disk xfconf-query is persisting to? [18:32] some xml in ~/.config [18:32] they can't be changed manually while logged in (possible to add to /etc/skel though) [18:55] Cool, thanks. Another thing I was wondering about: is there a way to focus on a Panel "item" using the keyboard? [18:55] E.g. I'd like to focus on (and expand) the "Window Menu" widget, which is the first widget on my "Panel 0" [18:56] you can bind hotkey to that special widget but there's not general way to it [18:57] command xfce4-popup-windowmenu should open it [19:02] Sysi: very cool, thanks so much! [19:17] helo [19:17] I want to do the mentioned updates [19:18] security updates and so on [19:18] but it doesnt work [19:18] error: [19:18] Requires installation of untrusted packages [19:19] The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources. [19:19] why? [19:19] whats wrong here>? [19:19] how to solve this? [19:20] noooooo: did you add untrusted sources? from ppa? [19:20] no [19:20] noooooo: run in a terminal "sudo apt-get update" and share the output via pastebin [19:22] http://pastebin.com/7qvfFVi7 [19:24] noooooo: Now can you share the error you'll see with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? [19:24] yup ^^ [19:28] noooooo: so? whats the error from running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the terminal? [19:29] well [19:29] Unit193: i dont want to upgrade my distribution [19:29] im running 12.04 long term support [19:29] im happy with it [19:29] noooooo: thats *not* what that command does.. feel free and search what that command does [19:30] otherwise, run it in a terminal, as we suggest, and share the output [19:30] ah yes sorry [19:30] its does *not* upgrade the distro to 12.10 [19:30] it seems to work [19:30] its downloading right now ... [19:31] >_> [19:31] * Unit193 blames update-manager. [19:31] agreed [19:31] update manager is buggy?? [19:32] If you run it now does it still error out? [19:32] now its installing the new kernel, no error until now [19:33] noooooo: dont interrupt the upgrade [19:34] ... grub ... [19:34] ldconfig deferred processing now taking place [19:35] now the restar icon is in the tray [19:35] seems that everything worked [19:35] so ... welll [19:35] the update manager is buggy [19:35] strange [19:36] well, you seem to have experienced an issue with it [19:36] you cant say "its buggy", blanketly from that [19:36] i mean, you can.. but you are assuming.. its just one blip.. i wouldnt worry til you see it again.. cheers! [19:36] If you see it again, I'd recommend filing a bug report. [19:36] !bug [19:36] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [19:40] ok [19:40] thanks a lot for ur help! [19:40] see ya [19:40] thx [21:15] Is there a command-line key to add keyboard shortcuts [21:15] ? [21:16] no [21:16] yeah, you can do it with xfconf-query [21:16] ah, that [21:16] * TheSheep forgot [21:16] but it's not easier than using the UI [21:16] but don't you need to know the scancodes? [21:16] yup [21:16] ochosi: ease is not important. only scriptability is important. [21:16] I like Xubuntu so much I'm switching EVERYTHING to it [21:17] good plan [21:17] yeah, actually you can also just copy the xml file in that case ;) [21:17] no need to script that [21:17] (see how I referenced two different Luc Besson flicks there?) [21:17] ochosi: sure, but that's not portable across versions. [21:18] it's in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml [21:18] why not? [21:19] it would clobber whatever is already there. [21:19] right, i thought you want to set up 100 machines from scratch [21:21] indeed, but the way I plan to do that is write a script that would run after a vanilla install [21:21] i.e. "patching" a vanilla install, whatever that install might be [21:21] I want to setup a ton of boxes right now, but then in a few months some folks would like to install 13.10 etc. [21:22] anyways, I love XFCE so much, please never change it. [21:22] dunpeal, it will evolve whether or ot you want it to [21:22] s/ot/or [21:22] you mean s/ot/not [21:23] and nooooooo! [21:23] eventually it will grow to be a big bloat like Gnome and I'll hate it. [21:23] or it will start telling me how I want to use my computer. [21:24] i don't think it'll ever do that [21:24] anyway, even if people upgrade, why would you run that kb-shortcuts script again? [21:24] i mean kb-shortcuts aren't thrown away, they're in /home anyway [21:25] not upgrade [21:25] and it doesn't look like anyone's gonna break the xfconf api anytime soon [21:26] see, John will join the company on November, and I'd have to setup a box for him. if all I have is an XML of the enhanced 13.04 shortcuts, all I can do is clobber the 13.10 one with it [21:26] and hope it didn't add anything important / useful [21:27] with a script that works through xfconf-query, I just add the shortcuts to whatever 13.10 puts there by default. [21:27] right, i assumed that you set your own shortcuts and don't care so much about the ones we decide for in xubuntu :) [21:27] ok [21:28] dunpeal: anyway, i'm not sure whether the shortcuts are checked for duplicates [21:28] so you might end up having to check them for conflicts anyway === mintpc is now known as xubuntu [21:29] ochosi: yup, that I will, and if necessry I can change the script. === xubuntu is now known as brokenxubuntu [21:30] I really love Xubuntu, it's just the right level of abstraction. [21:30] Guys, my internet on my xubuntu is messing up, i have a 4bar connection, yet it refuses to load any pages [21:30] you can also use git to manage the xml file and just merge the 13.10 one in [21:33] brokenxubuntu: do you have any other devices on which you could test your wifi connection? [21:34] nope, just my onboard wifi [21:34] make sure it's xubuntu's problem first [21:34] It worked perfectly fine before [21:34] before what? :) [21:34] hmmm.... [21:34] did you update recently? [21:34] i tried installing aircrack, i removed it, i dl'd vlc, lxde (then removed) [21:35] nope [21:35] nukke: no internet connection, can't update [21:35] ah. aircrack might've messed something up [21:35] ok [21:37] nukke: see http://imgbin.org/images/14257.png [21:38] ah, ok, so it IS a problem with xubuntu (assuming all the other computers connect at the library are working) [21:39] you can IRC perfectly fine, right brokenxubuntu [21:39] they are, i'm on irc on the library desktop [21:39] what does it say when you click on "connection information"? [21:39] want me to screencap it? [21:40] not necessarily. just make sure it's all filled up with numbers [21:40] ok [21:40] it is [21:41] under "driver", what does it say? [21:42] "ath5k" [21:45] nukke: ff just does this: http://imgbin.org/images/14258.png [21:56] my xubuntu just went full retard... [21:57] i don't know how, but yea http://imgbin.org/images/14259.png [22:14] An interesting error I keep seeing, for example when launching xfce4-panel: [22:14] Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. [22:17] Did you install font-manager? Remove ~/.fonts.conf and it'll go away. :P [22:18] Unit193: apparently, I did not. should I? [22:18] No, that's an example application that creates that file. [22:19] it looks like the anti-aliasing settings I set through "Settings Manager" [22:20] i.e. "Setting Manager -> Appearance -> Fonts" [22:20] nukke: any ideas? [22:20] It currently works, but if you want that message to go away move the file to ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf but be warned that Appearance will no longer think that it's set. I'd just ignore it. [22:22] OK, if it works, I'll just put notice for everyone to ignore it. Thanks. [22:23] * Noskcaj is away: school [22:25] Any idea why the following silently fails?: [22:25] xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts -p '/commands/default/m' -s "xfce4-popup-windowmenu" [22:26] Excuse me, I have a question. With so much confusion about Mir, Might anyone here be so kind as to tell me what Mir means for Xubuntu to put my mind at ease?. [22:28] mikefrett: afaik, not much, which is one of the reasons I'm here [22:28] but I'll let one of the experts answer better. [22:30] mikefrett: Mir is supposed to replace X, not the desktop manager. so in theory, one of two outcomes is possible: [22:30] 1) Ubuntu derivatives (e.g. Xubuntu, Kubuntu) stay on X, i.e. nothing changes [22:31] 2) The derivatives migrate to Mir, in which case nothing *should* change, at least not for the worse, barring bugs and such. [22:32] Thank you, appreciate your answer. [22:35] how do I restore a user's network config to default [22:36] mikefrett: No problem. Of course, if Mir is amazing, you may expect outcome 2 with end-user benefits such as better performance, stability, etc. But in any case, assuming no catastrophe, you're not supposed to have any degradation at the end-user level experience. [22:36] And hopefully nobody would force a disaster like 3D Unity on us humble Xubuntu users ;) [22:45] P.S. the xfconf-query above didn't work since there was a "custom" binding shadowing it [23:02] So I got help yesterday from someone who told me to set my keyboard settings to Macbook Pro, but it did not help. Thanks for the tip though. [23:03] My keyboard functions strangely in Xubuntu. [23:03] Anyone here? [23:04] I was told to come back when I have more time to be helped. [23:07] Does anyone know of my problem with the keyboarD? [23:08] Xxepicshot69xX: you definitely need to provide a few more details than that. [23:08] e.g. "stragely" how? [23:08] I meant strangely [23:08] when I highlight something (not even necessarily copy) [23:09] the next time I try to type things [23:09] the last things highlighted will paste in a random place of the sentence [23:09] happens frequently, no way to use Xubuntu with it currently booted to OSX [23:10] dunpeal? [23:12] no idea, sorry. almost sounds like some buttons are accidentally pressed. [23:12] *sigh* === mintpc is now known as masterblaster