[00:46] <binaryhermit> Since it's obviously very busy in here, I have a stupid question.  Lubuntu 12.04 wasn't LTS.  Will 14.04 be LTS?
[00:48] <Unit193> I do think that's the plan, but only 3 year LTS.
[00:53] <MonkWitDaFunk> Got less than a year for the next lts release. I cant wait to see the OS be featured on refurbished computers at a thrift store i know of
[01:00] <binaryhermit> I don't see the point of 5 year LTSes if you have to upgrade LTS->next LTS
[01:02] <binaryhermit> unless you're doing fresh installs, I guess
[01:57] <MonkWitDaFunk> There is a reason why a user would use the older linux kernel. Im trying to remember what it is
[02:02] <binaryhermit> umm, bugs in current kernel?
[02:03] <binaryhermit> older kernel using slightly less RAM? (though I emphasize slightly)
[02:07] <MonkWitDaFunk> Are bugs a common thin with the bsd type of operating system?
[02:07] <MonkWitDaFunk> Ive never touched bsd
[02:08] <binaryhermit> I'm guessing that BSD and Linux are about equally buggy.  I've only used an OpenBSD shell account
[02:09] <binaryhermit> Though I managed to almost take it down because bittorrent hits a BSD-only libc bug
[02:11] <MonkWitDaFunk> Ok. Commercial linux is the least buggy correct?
[02:11] <MonkWitDaFunk> Such as red hat
[02:15] <Unit193> Mint be time to move to #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:16] <Unit193> MonkWitDaFunk: You get paid support for it.
[02:16] <SonikkuAmerica> ...Mint?
[02:16] <SonikkuAmerica> !mint
[02:16] <SonikkuAmerica> :P
[17:02] <deed02392> hi guys, I'm on lubuntu raring, looks like the iptables-persistent package is broken. any other recommended ways to persist iptables rules?
[17:02] <deed02392> i've read NetworkManager interferes with other common manual methods
[17:10] <holstein> deed02392: i use ufw
[17:10] <holstein> !bug
[17:11] <deed02392> ok, thanks
[18:49] <Myrtti> is there any way to make lxterminal to ignore keyboard shortcuts? or should I just give up and install terminator?
[19:12] <Unit193> Bug #1080116 is supposed to eb fixed, but if you hide the menu it's supposed to help with other alt commands.  I end up with xfce4-terminal.
[20:55] <follower>  I cant seem to rest my thumb in the bottom left corner of the new touchpad
[20:56] <holstein> follower: is that a question?
[20:56] <holstein> follower: what happens? is the behavior unwanted? what do you want to happen instead?
[20:58] <follower> its these new integrated touchpads. when i keep my thumb or index on the pad i cant move the pointer with me middle finger
[21:00] <holstein> follower: sure.. are you looking for a software solution to that? i dont think there will be one..
[21:00] <follower> i would like for it the pointer to move with finger and click with the other finger while that finger is still on the touch pad (without tapping)
[21:01] <follower> oh... it works differently on winblows. its identified as a elantech etps. is there a way to switch it to ps/2
[21:02] <holstein> follower: i dont think that is possible, on a hardware level
[21:02] <holstein> follower: it works like that in windows?
[21:03] <follower> yes in windows im able to keep my index on the pad while using my middle finger to move the pointer. on lubuntu once a second finger is on there the pointer will not move
[21:04] <holstein> you should know going in that the hardware you have is guaranteed to work with windows support.. you have no such guarantee from the vendor for linux/ubuntu
[21:04] <holstein> thre is nothing about ubuntu/linux preventing your touchpad from doing *exactll* what you want it to do
[21:05] <holstein> follower: this is something that is not going to be constructive or relevant to compare to windows.. since, the windows driver is supplied to you by an entity that is likely not going to supply you a linux driver
[21:05] <holstein> follower: you can, and are welcome to ask them
[21:06] <holstein> follower: what would i do? what i usually do is try a few different live CD's.. different kernel versions.. different distros.. i see if anything has "out of the box support"
[21:06] <holstein> i open a terminal and i run "lspci".. and i get as much information about the specific device chipset as possible, and i search for someone who has set the hardware up (the *exact* same hardware) in ubuntu/linux
[21:06] <follower> love lubuntu had it on me old system. i just love the ubuntu lubuntu  thing
[21:07] <holstein> there could be a custom xorg.conf you can put in place to provide that support.. could be that linux can never provide you the support you are looking for
[21:08] <holstein> i would try main ubuntu, or xubuntu live.. different versions.. 12.04 if you havent tried that.. even the upcoming dailies
[21:08] <holstein> you might have different configs out of the box that you can learn from, and emulate in your current setup
[21:08] <follower> the funny thing is that this system is also sold with ubuntu instead of windows.
[21:08] <holstein> you could also just waste a lot of time, and never get anywhere
[21:09] <holstein> follower: that *exact* hardware? the *same* chipsets? are there drivers at the site? is there a link (such as what dell does) to a specific ubuntu downoad?
[21:09] <holstein> download*
[21:10] <holstein> you can download/install whatever they have, and install LXDE in that..
[21:10] <follower> the website only contains windows drivers
[21:11] <holstein> follower: you are cross posting
[21:11] <follower> you told me to ask in xubuntu
[21:11] <follower> or ubuntu
[21:11] <holstein> follower: no i didnt
[21:11] <holstein> follower:plus, you had already asked
[21:11] <follower> sorry i must have mis understood.
[21:12] <holstein> follower: i suggested, and still suggest that you try teh live CDs for other versions
[21:12] <follower> i have all three DE
[21:12] <holstein> follower: there are *way* more than 3
[21:12] <holstein> follower: that is what you misunderstand.. im talking about the versions
[21:12] <follower> i have ubuntu xubuntu as well as lubuntu
[21:12] <holstein> 12.04 vs 13.04.. the upcoming 13.10.. whatever version the vendor uses
[21:12] <follower> just trying to connect with people with a good xorg.conf
[21:13] <holstein> follower: you will want to connect with someone who had your hardware and you have not mentioned your hardware, or your xorg.conf in here, or the other channels
[21:13] <holstein> follower: here are the facts
[21:14] <follower> are you able to do what im trying to achieve.  i have elantech etps touchpad
[21:14] <holstein> follower: im still not sure i understand
[21:14] <holstein> and, you can hsare more specifics about the hardware
[21:15] <holstein> no one is going to be able to help you with what you mentioned the way you asked
[21:15] <holstein> i have this chip Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) and the screen freezes when i do so and so
[21:16] <holstein> ^^ that is how specfic you need to be ^^
[21:16] <holstein> i get that information from running lspci, as i mentioned above
[21:17] <holstein> you can always put that information in a pastebin
[21:17] <holstein> !paste | follower
[21:19] <follower> http://pastebin.ca/2402586
[21:27] <holstein> follower: elaborate
[21:27] <holstein> follower: go to the channel for the operating system you are using and say "im using a toshiba such and such model with a so and so touchpad and its doint this, but i want it to do this"
[21:28] <Unit193> !xorgconf
[21:30] <follower> im using lubuntu and i have an asus x201e and on windows the im able to rest my index finger on the touch pad and to click with it while using my middle finger to move the pointer. now in lubuntu if i rest me index on the touchpad and try to move the pointer with my middle finger the pointer will not move at all
[21:32] <holstein> follower: thats how *all* my touchpads work.. but i dont use windows.. have you asekd asus about the model that includes ubuntu? have you looked to see what version of ubuntu ships with that device? have you confimred tha you are using the same one?
[21:34] <follower> ubuntu 12.04 lts
[21:35] <follower> damnit im using 13.04
[21:36] <follower> is there a way to downgrade??
[21:37] <follower> however i have lubuntu with unity desktop
[21:37] <Unit193> No, there isn't.  Lubuntu with Unity isn't really "Lubuntu"
[21:38] <Unit193> You looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch ?
[21:42] <follower> i use lubuntu. wifey uses ubuntu de when she logs in. easier for her
[21:43] <follower> not what im looking for unit 193