[01:25] <jrwren_> amateur tip: sudo apt-get remove python-dns && sudo apt-get install python-dnspython
[04:18] <greg-g> heh "Huboard is the animated gifs of kanban style Github issue management. "
[04:18] <greg-g> annoying?
[11:00] <snap-l>  Good morning
[11:00] <rick_h> morning
[11:22] <rick_h> xkcd wow today http://xkcd.com/1227/
[11:22] <rick_h> <3 the hover text so much
[11:24] <snap-l> Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, poorly. ;)
[12:25] <rick_h> so thought about applying and then found their online style guide and decided no way in hell http://www.artlogic.com/styleguide/rosettapython.html
[13:16] <snap-l> three spaces? Are you shitting me?
[13:16] <rick_h> lol, glad I wasn't the only one with that reaction
[13:17] <snap-l> God, pep8 would shit on that code
[13:18] <brousch> 3 spaces?
[13:18] <brousch> Let's burn the place
[13:19] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/Ns2f2xzj8HRKlXYvt8Es/
[13:19] <rick_h> :)
[13:19] <rick_h> now run flake8 on it lol
[13:20] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/8NYon9hCC0rKv2RjVhKl/
[13:21] <snap-l> That's Ubuntu flake8, so I'm sure there's more sins in there with a newer version
[13:23] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/970/ for the latest
[13:23] <snap-l> Similar output
[13:24] <snap-l> I've never seen "         val -= 1
[13:25] <snap-l> I know it's valid, but it just looks weird
[13:25] <rick_h> yea, it's frowned upon
[13:25] <rick_h> too easy to miss in a quick glance, not as explicit
[14:01] <jrwren_> rick_h: lol, what is with all the # comments?
[14:02] <jrwren_> really? x -= 1 is frowned?  fuck that, its hte closest thing to -- I have :)
[14:02] <jrwren_> x--; ftw!
[14:04] <jrwren_> oh, THERE is their problem, they are in Pasadena, CA
[14:05] <snap-l> What round is square, up is down, and three spaces conserves energy?
[14:23] <snap-l> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Oracle-bug-accidentally-removes-GPL-licence-from-MySQL-man-pages-1892600.html
[14:25] <greg-g> accidentally?
[14:25] <jrwren_> automated builds can do crazy things.
[14:26] <rick_h> yea, not sure I'd have my build system auto apply license things. Especially when the codebase has multiple license parts as this must have by now
[14:26] <rick_h> a linter to say "wtf...this isn't licensed" sure...but an auto licensing? ugh
[14:26] <jrwren_> i kind of like the idea.
[14:26] <rick_h> jrwren_: and yea, ++ and -- are no go.
[14:27] <jrwren_> autolicense is better than manually maintaining license header in every file. I hate that policy
[14:27] <rick_h> meh, file templates to start with ftw
[14:27]  * rick_h has a copyright snippet for our files in vim
[14:31] <snap-l> knowing Oracle, there's probably some auto-boilerplate thing that goes around and attaches a logo / copyright on any file on the system.
[14:32] <jrwren_> then you have to update them.
[14:32] <jrwren_> as part of build you don't have to see them.
[14:32] <snap-l> I imagine there's a procedure for when the auto-boilerplater accidentally gets root and mucks with vmlinuz
[14:32] <rick_h> greg-g: jrwren_ http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/velodroom/velodrooms-smart-bicycle-light?ref=category
[14:33] <snap-l> rick_h: That's pretty cool
[14:35] <snap-l> OK, their risks and challenges is pretty interesting:
[14:35] <snap-l> 2. On 23rd of March 2011 seven cyclists from Estonia were kidnapped near Syrian border in Lebanon while being on the cycling trip. They were released after 114 days of captivity. One of the cyclists was at the time working on a project together with a Velodroom team member. That seriously affected the project. We are doing our best to avoid this happening to any of Velodroom team members and will not
[14:35] <snap-l> travel to potentially unsafe regions on bicycle before the lights are shipped.
[14:35] <rick_h> yea
[14:35] <snap-l> Score one for brutally honest.
[14:38] <rick_h> yea, second kickstarter found
[14:38] <rick_h> <3 that idea
[14:39] <snap-l> Second? :)
[14:39] <rick_h> heh, well I did pebble watch
[14:40] <snap-l> http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/2092384097
[14:40] <rick_h> whoa
[14:40] <rick_h> oh, so yea this is my third
[14:40] <rick_h> http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/253591545
[14:41] <snap-l> Problem is there's a ton of RPG / Game folks using Kickstarter as a sort of pre-order system
[14:42] <snap-l> I've gotten to the point where if someone says "and we're going to kickstart it" I'll wait it out until the final product shows up
[14:42] <snap-l> The Belfort one was because I could get the first game cheaper than buying it while at the same time funding the expansion
[14:42] <snap-l> and I'm now realizing I have a problem
[14:43] <rick_h> early suckers...I mean adopters
[14:43] <rick_h> lol
[14:45] <snap-l> I'm kinda worried about the Cryogen album not getting funded
[14:51] <brousch> snap-l: Thanks for the reminder
[14:52] <snap-l> brousch: Awesome. Go forth and shower them with money. :)
[14:52] <brousch> I'm about half way through your interview with them
[15:03] <snap-l> Ah, cool
[16:33] <snap-l> I hate it when something that I think is a solution turns out to not only be a red herring, but turns out to be much more complicated.
[16:45] <rick_h> h8 programming :P
[16:52] <snap-l> yeah, that's pretty much it
[16:57] <greg-g> jrwren_: you meant "take the power back.. uhhh!" - RATM
[16:58] <jrwren_> yup
[16:58]  * greg-g doesn't know how to ascii'ize grunts and such
[16:58] <greg-g> or was it "come on!"?
[16:58] <greg-g> anywho, might need to listen to some RATM now
[16:59]  * snap-l is getting rather pissed at this code, and is now in a Meshuggah mode.
[16:59] <jrwren_> i need to infest in a fake beard, trucker hats and sunglasses, to avoid the face recog camera
[17:01] <greg-g> I think the moustache/beard doesn't work
[17:01] <greg-g> but, interesting applied paint/tattoos do
[17:01] <greg-g> there was a story I read recently... but I don't have the url
[17:01] <greg-g> also, wearing a necklace that emits IR pretty much cancels the good that the IR camera have and without annoying other humans.
[17:01] <snap-l> I'm just looking forward to my face giving false positives for The Joker. ;)
[17:02] <snap-l> greg-g: yeah, I can see IR earrings becoming popular
[17:02]  * greg-g nods
[17:18] <snap-l> Also, I have married well. Have Meshuggah playing on the computer speakers with JoDee in the same room
[17:19] <brousch> snap-l: ON that topic, my wife says she hates you. When listeing to podcasts in the car the OMC scream scares her every time
[17:20] <snap-l> hahahahahahahahahaha
[17:20] <snap-l> Sorry about that. :)
[17:20] <brousch> She expects some NPR podcast to come on and instead it's the scream
[17:21] <snap-l> Blame Utopia Banished for one of the most awesome screams of metal
[17:22] <snap-l> JoDee also used that for her students to look at sound waveforms
[17:22] <snap-l> she tells some of them to turn it up good and loud for their headphones. :)
[17:22] <brousch> evil
[17:44] <snap-l> Also, there are few feelings better than overcoming a problem that you previously thought was going to be tricky
[17:44] <snap-l> and having the solution be somewhat elegant
[17:45] <snap-l> or at least not eye-rippingly awful at first glance. ;)
[17:45] <brousch> Obviously Python is involved
[17:45] <snap-l> Obviously
[18:59] <brousch> I am now have to arguing for Pyramid and SQLAlchemy talks at PyOhio
[19:03] <brousch> You geekers should have reviewed, then it would have enough votes :P
[19:07] <snap-l> Bah
[19:08] <brousch> I got SQLAlchemy in, but there's too many Djangoids
[19:09] <brousch> I kid, but really there are hard choices this year
[22:41] <snap-l> evening
[22:41] <rick_h> party
[22:41] <snap-l> cat box ftw
[22:41] <rick_h> lol
[22:42] <snap-l> living the life of a rock start
[22:42] <snap-l> star, even
[23:53] <rick_h> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1giyxd/best_foss_bookmark_manager/ widox