[00:00]  * paultag o.O
[00:00] <skellat> The thing to ponder as we continue June is reaching out to others who may be out of reach or who we might not have heard from recently such as jandrusk
[00:01] <skellat> Folks who have cut all electronic communications ties should still be made welcome and should be encouraged to re-engage
[00:02] <skellat> Though I do seem to trigger plenty of deactivations every time I send a "Contact Team" e-mail :-\
[00:02] <Unit193> Yeah, that one is a bit more annoying than something on the mailing list.
[00:02] <skellat> Yeah
[00:03] <skellat> Somehow we have 420+ members and that's the only way to reach all of them
[00:03] <skellat> From my end in Ashtabula all I can do is cajole, suggest, prod, and ask to welcome others around the state and ask why they've disengaged
[00:04] <skellat> I'm not prepared to go as far as Jono Bacon and post my cell phone number openly for people to call to talk to
[00:04] <skellat> But
[00:04] <skellat> I am fairly reachable
[00:04] <skellat> And if you need second-tier/back-end help reaching out to others I'll do what I can
[00:05] <skellat> Do we have any other discussion for Item #3
[00:05] <skellat> ?
[00:06] <skellat> Nothing being heard, we move on to Item #4 -- Any Other Business where we start off with that phone call I had with Jono Bacon earlier today
[00:06] <skellat> Jono and I talked about the Ars Technica article I linked at the beginning of the meeting where the Carrier Advisory Group was announced for the Ubuntu Phone project
[00:07] <skellat> Some folks noted on Google Plus that US carriers were conspicuously absent
[00:07] <skellat> For the time being, nothing is blocking them from joining if they choose on their own initiative
[00:08] <skellat> At this stage in the development of Ubuntu Phone, it looks like what will be ready by October will class more as a "Feature Phone" instead of a "Smartphone" in terms of what will ship.  This is akin to having something ship with Symbian S40 instead of iOS.
[00:09] <skellat> The approach being taken is to pursue "emerging markets" in lieu of trying to start in the United States.
[00:09] <skellat> From a business perspective, it makes far more sense to pursue markets other than the United States and Canada first.
[00:09] <skellat> Essentially, based upon my experience selling wireless devices, it should be remembered that nobody else on this planet we share sells cell phones the way we do in the United States and Canada
[00:10] <skellat> The way we do it is a distinctly minority business model compared to the planet at-large.  Heck, GSM is the dominant global standard while CDMA is something peculiar to the US & Canada as well as 31 smaller jurisdictions.
[00:11] <skellat> So, at the macro level...the time has not come yet for us to see consumer-level roll out of Ubuntu Phone in the US
[00:11] <skellat> It is coming
[00:11] <skellat> But it isn't our time yet
[00:11] <skellat> Okay, that sums up my discussion with Jono.  What do you all think?
[00:13] <skellat> Going once...
[00:13] <drkokandy> not surprising that it's not coming to the US first
[00:15] <jrgifford> skellat: unrelated note going back to the previous item: if you want a SIP line that acts like a phone, I can get you one easily enough.
[00:15] <skellat> jrgifford: Not yet
[00:15] <jrgifford> skellat: its like, $5/month. Just let me know. :)
[00:16] <skellat> As I said to Mr. Bacon when we talked earlier, I'm willing to wait to pay for a phone.  If a GSM version is ready for the US market I may just bypass a subsidy contract and try to buy one outright.
[00:17] <skellat> Okay.  Is there any other discussion on the Ubuntu Phone item?  Is there any other business to come before the meeting tonight?
[00:17] <Unit193> I'm not interested in it at all, I don't have an electric slave driver right now, but Android or Mozilla look more interesting right now anyway.
[00:17] <jrgifford> I've played with the phone preview on my nexus 7.
[00:18] <jrgifford> Haven't tried on the phone, I rely on it too much.
[00:18] <jrgifford> Overall, it needs work, but its not bad.
[00:18] <jrgifford> Battery life is much better, at least on the tablet
[00:19] <skellat> I had an HTC Thunderbolt for 30 days and dumped Android plus the phone as I just got annoyed with it.  The touch screen really annoyed me.  My aunt's iPhone has an easier touch screen to use.
[00:19] <jrgifford> Probably because it doesn't have push notifications yet.
[00:20] <skellat> Perhaps
[00:20] <skellat> Is there any other business to come before the meeting tonight?
[00:20] <jrgifford> Anyway, that's what I've got on the subject.
[00:21] <jrgifford> None here
[00:21] <skellat> Item #5 -- Fix The Date For The Next Meeting.  What is our pleasure for a date in July to hold our next meeting?
[00:23] <skellat> My calendar remains clear since I remain unemployed and one layer or another of the Department of Job & Family Services has blocked my attempt at going back to school.  I could have started in a master's program with Ashland but that is blocked at this time.
[00:24] <skellat> Four weeks from today will put us at July 16th
[00:24] <jrgifford> I've got the third week of July booked period, but other than that I can do what ever
[00:24] <jrgifford> The 16th looks good
[00:24] <skellat> Unit193, drkokandy: How say you?
[00:25] <drkokandy> I might be a little distracted, but I can be here
[00:25] <skellat> Okay
[00:25] <Unit193> We'll see.
[00:26] <skellat> I'll mark it as tentative and send out a Doodle poll when we get closer.
[00:26] <skellat> Item #6 -- Potpourri
[00:26] <skellat> Bad weather happens at this time of year
[00:26] <skellat> Cleveland-area television went wall-to-wall with tornado coverage not that long ago
[00:27] <skellat> If you're interested in watching Ohio weather warnings and alerts you can join ##weather-us-oh to see such on IRC
[00:27] <skellat> NOAA Weather Radio is a nice non-Internet way to keep track of such too: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/
[00:27] <jenni> [ NOAA Weather Radio ] - http://j.mp/12TYwfw
[00:27] <skellat> And there is a FAQ about that taxpayer-paid service: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/faq.htm
[00:27] <jenni> [ NOAA Weather Radio ] - http://j.mp/12TYxjD
[00:28] <skellat> FEMA has a guide up with disaster assistance materials specifically for Ohio: http://www.fema.gov/states/ohio
[00:28] <jenni> [ Ohio | FEMA.gov ] - http://j.mp/12TYB2O
[00:28] <skellat> There is the citizen's awareness to disaster assistance course that you can pursue at your own pace: http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/courseOverview.aspx?code=IS-7
[00:28] <jenni> [ IS-7: A Citizen's Guide to Disaster Assistance | FEMA - Emergency Management Institute (EMI) Course ] - http://j.mp/12TYCUl
[00:29] <skellat> And we're looking at Lightning Awareness Week coming up next week here in the state of Ohio: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/severeweather/severewxcal.shtml
[00:29] <jenni> [ Severe Weather Events Calendar ] - http://j.mp/12TYEf4
[00:29] <skellat> Ars Technica had a recent story about one of their editors being struck by lightning
[00:29] <skellat> It did bad things to him
[00:29] <skellat> Imagine what it can do to your computer
[00:29] <skellat> And remember, lightning damage is OS-agnostic
[00:29] <Unit193> That's why I took mine off the roof!
[00:29] <skellat> :-)
[00:30] <paultag> skellat: twice, actually!
[00:30] <skellat> Thank you for attending the June 2013 Business Meeting.  The log will be posted later tonight to the wiki and announced not only on the mailing list but also Planet Ubuntu.
[00:30] <skellat> Thank you guys!
[00:31]  * skellat realizes he blew way past his original time estimate but kept it within an hour
[00:32] <Unit193> drkokandy: Have you been wanting to do something locally?
[00:34] <drkokandy> hmm, we could if you're interested in trying to put something together
[00:34] <drkokandy> would you be thinking about another Ubuntu Hour type event or something different?
[00:34] <Unit193> Well, was wondering if you were itching for one, I was and am the least social of us. :P
[00:36] <drkokandy> so if it ends up being just the two of us it would be a pretty quiet event I guess. I don't know that I'd say I'm itching for one - I've been busier than usual this summer
[00:37] <drkokandy> But if you
[00:39] <drkokandy> * you're itching for something like that, just let me know what nights work for you and I should be able to reorganize things to swing down to Mansfield/Ontario for an Ubuntu Hour thing
[00:41] <Unit193> Heh, fun.  Yep, would be nice and awkwardly silent. :D
[02:25] <Unit193> srandby: Hello!
[02:26] <srandby> Hello