=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [04:10] hlw [06:08] Morning everyone [06:15] Morning Morning [06:16] morning all [06:19] morning [06:19] morning Squirm [06:20] no yawns? [06:20] not yet [06:20] hi mazal barrydk [06:21] hehe [06:21] overslept my alarm by an hour [06:21] wow [06:21] hmm, I need coffee [06:22] got home at 23:30 [06:22] ah [06:22] yo HawkiesZA [06:22] been to sleep after 12 every night for the past 2/3 weeks [06:22] ouch [06:23] been late most days :/ [06:24] howdy all [06:24] hiya magespawn [06:25] good and yourself Kilos? [06:25] apart from that same flu hanging on not bad ty magespawn [06:26] seems im getting used to runny nose and coughing [06:26] flu does seem to take awhile to shake [06:26] how are the sheep handling the winter [06:26] ? [06:27] hehe and i always bragged i dont get sick [06:27] sheep dont feel the cold [06:27] they just not happy that all the green grass is gone [06:28] i thought that would affect them more [06:28] but with modern technology the supplement gives them all they need and they fill up on dry grass [06:28] funny to talk of unhappy sheep [06:29] a product called maxiwol supplies all they need [06:29] costs more to keep them then [06:29] What do you feed them Kilos [06:29] ya i think its was near R300 a bag but that feeds 9 sheep for a month [06:31] one of the reps for the product many years ago explained it as giving them heartburn which forced them to eat dry grass to counter [06:31] Morning ya'll [06:31] maxiwol barrydk [06:31] there is a similar product for cattle too [06:32] sb16 with zilmax [06:32] stock dont lose condition at all in wonter [06:33] We give ours "wildpille" game pellets i think. The sheep, cattle and blesbuck eat it [06:33] as long as there lotsa dry grass [06:34] made by? [06:34] mine are from voermol [06:35] no idea will find out for you. But nguni's doesnt lose much condition around here they are tough [06:36] ya [06:37] i learned all about these products when running a bonsmara + stud [06:37] forget other name [06:37] they win the top slaughter animal every year [06:38] hi sakhi [06:38] Hi Kilos and #ubuntu-za [06:39] Good morning HawkiesZA barrydk sakhi [06:39] ohi [06:39] supki magespawn [06:39] hi superfly [06:39] supski even [06:40] hi magespawn, barrydk, sakhi, Kilos [06:40] hey superfly lol@HawkiesZA [06:40] HawkiesZA, I've already said hello to you :-P [06:40] lol [06:40] It's true [06:41] superfly, did you klap him for ignoring us? [06:41] Kilos: I had a word with him, and he promised not to ignore you again... at least not intentionally [06:41] hahaha [06:42] and he has forgotten about the greeter script for QA hey? [06:42] klap him again [06:42] A word that included threats of easypay support [06:43] those are mean words... [06:43] Morning Superfly magespawn [06:43] :D [06:44] well its good to have you both back [06:44] :-) [06:46] Hurray! I'm useful! [06:47] hehe [06:50] mazal, die ou was hier gister [06:50] Mooi man [06:51] Geweet oom sal dit reg kry ;-) [06:51] hy kry nou 12.04 [06:51] gese hy sal dit instaleer en terug kom [06:51] Sodra hy mooi die basics ken sal ek hom help met die media server deel [06:51] Dis iets wat ek ook doen [06:51] tot sy niek geregistreer [06:52] ok [06:52] julle moet plan maak om maandag aand hier te wees vir die vergadering [06:53] Ek is nie beskikbaar Maandae nie [06:53] ai! [07:02] hi space === space is now known as Guest55430 [07:03] hi Guest55430 too [07:05] Hello Kilos. === Guest55430 is now known as Spaceghost [07:05] It is not necessary to great us both. [07:05] haha i was teasing === Spaceghost is now known as Guest17962 === Guest17962 is now known as Spaceghost [07:30] *greet [07:30] morning Vince-0 [07:30] yo Vince-0 [07:31] Haai [07:31] our spell checker is back yay [07:35] great is spelt correctly [07:35] lol ya [07:36] but not if its meant to say hi [07:36] indeed [07:37] We have a spell checker ? [07:37] no software spell checker would have caught that [07:37] yta the fly [07:38] hehe ok [07:38] the servie provided goes a little further than mere spell checking [07:39] service [07:39] hehe [07:39] much further [07:42] awww was expecting the fly to catch that [07:42] too busy again [07:51] IT okes always seem busy [07:51] mechanic drops tools at 5pm [07:56] IT giys are usually the type that likes to learn and generally dislike sitting around doing nothing [07:56] s/giys/guys [07:57] ya always changing world [07:58] so learnbing never stops [07:58] morning peeps [07:58] poor head [07:58] for that matter IT girls too [07:58] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:58] howdy ThatGraemeGuy [08:03] hmm... [08:10] magespawn, note theblazehen has disappeared [08:10] * Kilos wonders why [08:11] maybe a server fell over [08:11] months now [08:12] not a good server [08:22] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/80529-telkoms-forced-adsl-price-cuts-isps-respond.html [08:25] whew too much to read but sounds promising [08:28] will go have a look [08:31] as long as the cuts reach the end user thats great [08:31] why cut prices to isp's if they dont pass it on [08:34] the isp's will almost certainly cut their prices to remain competative [08:34] lets hope [08:35] massive fine though [08:35] 200 mill [08:35] whew [08:35] give me 10% of that and i could set up my wireless service [08:36] sigh [08:37] providing a service is a good thing. they shouldnt make things so expensive or difficult [08:37] one wifi tower at the top of the reserve will cover a massive area [08:40] hiya maiatoday [08:43] hi Kilos [09:27] Kilos, the most important part on that article is the opening of naked DSL and IPC services to ISPs so there's direct competition on all levels. Telkom wholesale never really separated from their retail [09:27] I will believe it when I see it [09:28] well we can only hope hey Vince-0 [09:29] my boet has 100mbit fibre to his apartment in Aus - that is what I hope for, this other stuff is just playing catch up [09:30] lekker [09:36] you can get it here if you got bucks [09:36] ask symmetria [09:36] they dont play with the cost of laying fibre to you [11:00] hmm... mazal looks like your friend didnt get something working [11:00] maybe hasnt had time [11:00] calls himself hecticza here [11:00] with caps here and there [11:17] hi nlsthzn [11:22] sorry, was busy interviewing someone [11:22] np [11:27] alo uncle Kilos and superfly :) [11:27] I be doing that Buntu thing again :) [11:27] yay well done neelsie [11:27] now if the graphics would stop spazzing out I would be much happier [11:28] 13.04? [11:28] let me do that windows thing and restart [11:29] nah, 12.04 [11:29] LTS FTW and all that [11:33] ohi nl [11:33] *sigh* [11:33] wow i have no probs. what graphics thing nl [11:33] hehe [11:34] long reboot [11:36] wow i have no probs. what graphics thing nlsthzn ? [11:36] i did install gdm [11:36] the lightdm always gave probs [11:36] just some issues with windows when I maximized and minimized... sometimes they didn't come up or go down and other times when they came up it was just the frame wit the middle empty :p [11:37] oh not 12.04 [11:37] can be some of the apps I installed or perhaps the graphics drivers... who knows :p [11:37] yup 12.04.2 [11:38] oh that word windows through me [11:38] you using lightdm [11:38] the fly greeted you [11:38] the default... but no issues with that... and now everything is smooth [11:38] alo again superfly :) [11:38] no man gdm much better [11:38] why? [11:39] no probs at all here [11:39] quite boring actually [11:39] never have to fix anything [11:39] doubt my issues had anything to do with that :) [11:40] what does google tell you [11:40] maybe someone else has had same prob [11:40] problem gone for now so I am not going to go chase it :p === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [11:43] well, running the latest version of LibreOffice now and also installing the latest version of Gimp :) [11:43] got to love them PPA's [11:43] hehe ive always been told to stay away from them [11:43] maybe to save data [11:44] all glory to the PPAs! [11:45] oh ya confluency what are you using if you dont like unity [11:46] Fluxbox. [11:46] forgot to ask yesterday [11:46] I was using it before Unity happened, though. [11:46] ah [11:46] My first Linux WM was Blackbox, so I kind of imprinted on it. [11:46] unity aint bad [11:47] There's nothing wrong with PPAs, but there are bad PPAs. [11:47] yeah we are creatures of habit [11:47] i actually have come to like unity and kde [11:48] PPA with five related packages = good. PPA with a gajillion unrelated packages = bad. You can still install individual packages from those manually, though. [11:48] but 12.04 unity not as fancy as 13.04 [11:48] that is why I try to stick to the actual devs PPA's if possible [11:48] I've always found KDE to be too heavy, and Unity is jut not what I want in an interface. [11:48] when they start updating random things all over the place [11:48] panic [11:49] hehe [11:49] lo inetpro [11:50] It's only really a problem if you upgrade a couple of times and then discover some cruft from a PPA you disabled long ago messing up your dependencies. It's pretty easy to restore things as long as you know which packages to revert, though. [11:50] Unfortunately there's no reliable identifier for the source of a package, so sometimes you have to go by name or minor version number to figure out where something came from. [11:50] hi nlsthzn :-) [11:50] and tonberryE352 and confluency [11:51] I only really had a problem once, and I cleaned it up after some googling. Now I don't add any huge PPAs. [11:51] Hi, superfly. [11:51] hi [11:53] before I run into issues like that I have again installed some or other OS :p [11:53] lol [11:54] oh and Libreoffice 4 is blazing fast... phew... [11:55] is fluxbox just a gui? [11:55] It's a window manager. [11:56] It gives you a toolbar and a program menu and windows. :) [11:56] i cant google what it is [11:56] well my bot says she cant [11:56] Actually, that's pretty much everything that it gives you. 1) windows 2) a right-click menu 3) a toolbar 4) an optional slit for dockapps. [11:56] It's very minimalist. [11:57] where do you get it from [11:57] Maaz, google fluxbox [11:57] There's a package. [11:57] Kilos: "Fluxbox" http://fluxbox.org/ :: "fluxbox.org - screenshots" http://fluxbox.org/screenshots/ :: "Fluxbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxbox :: "Fluxbox - ArchWiki" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fluxbox :: "Fluxbox-wiki - Fluxbox-wiki" http://fluxbox-wiki.org/ :: "Fluxbox - Customize.org" [11:57] http://customize.org/fluxbox :: "Fluxbox | Free Development software downloads at SourceForge.net" http://sourcefor… [11:58] oh in the repos? [11:58] If you install it, also install fbautostart -- I'm not sure if it's an explicit dependency. That starts all the XDG autostart stuff. [11:59] It mostly works out of the box; there's just one hack you still need to add to make sure that the update manager delegates permissions correctly.\ [11:59] You also need to fiddle around a bit to customise the menu to your liking, set wallpaper, etc.. [11:59] But all the config files are plain text, which is nice. [12:00] so then the whole unity gui is gone? [12:00] Yes. It's like running GNOME or KDE instead of Unity. [12:00] oh ok ill have a look ty [12:01] maybe aptitude will sort it all out [12:01] Yes, you just have to install the fluxbox package. And fbautostart, if it isn't installed automatically. [12:02] cool ty [12:03] It's not a whole desktop environment, like GNOME, so you can run it together with other stuff, like a file manager (liek Nautilus or ROX), but I've never done that. You can do that if you want icons on the desktop and stuff. [12:04] ok one last question will 12.04 give me the choice what i want to boot from still [12:04] in case i dont like it [12:04] Yes, that's worked since forever. :) [12:04] cool [12:04] Oh, in 12.04 it might not use fbautostart from its startup file automatically, so you'll need to put that in. [12:05] (That's to start stuff like Network Manager when you log in.) [12:05] yes i see in synaptic that fbautostart is not one of the install packages with it\ [12:05] Cool. So you should install that as well. [12:06] and my nm autoconnects because of a script i added to make it work [12:06] Yeah, but you still have to start the actual applet. [12:06] nm was a big prob here with 12.04 [12:07] ah [12:07] oh well here goes [12:08] So after you've logged into Fluxbox, edit ~/.fluxbox/startup -- that's where you put everything that you want to happen when you start Fluxbox. You need to add 'fbautostart &' if it isn't there already -- but *before* the last line, which starts fluxbox. [12:08] oh my [12:08] Anything before that last 'exec fluxbox' line needs to have an ampersand (&) at the end, so that it can be put in the background, otherwise nothing will work. [12:08] lemme copy that place to edit [12:09] Once you have that in there, if you exit and come back in you should have all your normal applets. [12:09] whew [12:09] ok [12:09] (Leave out the quotes. :) ) [12:09] ya ive learned that darem by now [12:09] ty [12:10] If you right-click on the desktop you'll get a menu with programs. You can customise that later if you want. That's how you launch stuff. [12:10] But you can also type alt-f2 to get a "run program" window, if you like that sort of thing. [12:11] oh so it doesnt show a launcher [12:11] So while you're in that startup file, I would also add: /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 & [12:12] Nope. The toolbar is just for switching workspaces, showing windows and status icons. [12:12] (That line is the magic hack to fix update notifier.) [12:12] whew you do all this with every upgrade? [12:13] No, nothing happens to the file when you upgrade. [12:13] The latest version of the file actually puts in fbautostart for you, but I think that's a recent development. [12:13] oh only clean installs [12:13] Yeah, and I never do that. [12:14] i hope i like it, lotsa work [12:14] Heh. [12:14] It's very, very sparse, so your mileage may vary. ;) [12:14] mileage? [12:15] "your mileage may vary" is an expression which means that your experience of something may be different to mine. [12:15] oh ok [12:15] hehe well i wont know if i dont try it [12:15] Comes for when they sold cars. The fuel efficiency was based on distance and driving style [12:15] no one else here uses it i think [12:16] I've tried AwesomeWM a bunch of times, and never got into it. [12:16] ohi Trixar_za [12:18] Maaz, is http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ down [12:18] Kilos: No, it's just you [12:18] oh my [12:19] what does this mean [12:19] E: Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libi/libid3tag/libid3tag0_0.15.1b-10build2_i386.deb: Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:8123 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111: Connection refused) [12:19] all the packages show the same [12:19] does za.archive.ubuntu.com still exist? [12:20] or are you doing something strange to it? [12:20] nope i did sudo aptitude install fluxbox and the fb thing [12:21] it wanted to fetch 3.m os packages [12:21] 3.5 [12:21] you running a proxy of some sort? [12:21] nope [12:21] oh my [12:22] someone got me to add something to do with proxy [12:22] whew [12:22] lemme see if synaptic also has probs [12:24] ya connection refused [12:25] that proxy thing was supposed to save on opening websites or something [12:25] whew [12:27] Bye almal [12:29] Hi Kilos [12:30] yay set to no proxy and here we go [12:36] afternoon all [12:37] hi magespawn [12:37] Afternoon magespawn [12:38] ty tonberryE352 [12:38] Mind you, I'm starting to accept the universal greeting of "Good Morning" [12:38] lol [12:39] Kilos: it looks like you were trying to use a proxy running locally on your machine -- except that it wasn't running. [12:40] http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html [12:40] confluency, i dunno what it was. the pro knows more but i wont go that route again [12:41] was supposed to only work with browsers i think [12:42] if tonberryE352 hadnt said anything i would have clean installed again [12:42] hehe [12:42] * Kilos bows to tonberryE352 [12:42] pleasure [12:43] i think i made the mistake of ticking the apply system wide button [12:43] hi [12:43] hi Squirm [12:43] Trixar_za: your ZNV on our network is weird [12:44] s/ZNV/ZNC [12:44] your nick starts with ~, as well as it doesn't show that you change your nick [12:44] oh ya Squirm did you ever speak to him about hosting the bot [12:45] It does that. I think it's a bug. Reconnecting the ZNC bot seems to fix it [12:45] * Squirm shrugs [12:52] ok i go try fluxbox [12:52] wbb hopefully [12:54] not now too much to close and movie half way through [12:54] sigh [12:54] uncle Kilos ... you on a DE quest again ? :p [12:54] hahaha just looking nlsthzn [12:54] its free so way not :) [12:54] i like unity but maybe fluxbox is better/faster [12:54] ya [12:55] also then when peeps say they are using such and such you arent totally ignorant [12:55] * Squirm pulls apart a laptop [12:55] bbl [12:55] should be as it is a lighter DE ... very light... [12:56] and Kilos, speak to who? [12:56] Trixar_za, squirm [12:56] about hosting QA [12:56] you forgot [12:56] hehe [12:56] Oo [12:56] np she works here but only when im online [12:57] and ibid bot Trixar_za [12:57] one night we were looking for a host so everyone could use her [12:58] you can see here on ##kilos [12:58] upgraded version of maaz [13:01] Well, Fluxbox is definitely faster. [13:01] so thats a + then [13:22] Kilos: how many os' have you tried? [13:23] hmm... [13:23] all the sucks except 8 [13:23] all the buntus [13:23] didnt like x or l [13:24] um [13:24] the thing the monkey uses [13:24] and tinycorelinux [13:28] cool Kilos [13:29] os' expert for sure\ [13:30] lol i forget them man [13:30] must be open in front of me === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [14:11] grrr power cut [14:37] good morning Kilos [14:38] oh and hello everyone else [14:40] hi inetpro [14:40] gonna try fluxbox maybe tonight [14:41] oh ya magespawn and i looked at the thing the weed uses [14:42] didnt know what to do [14:42] hehe [14:42] hey inetpro [14:43] Kilos: can you remember what it was that tumbleweed uses? [14:43] xmonad [14:43] never even heard of it [14:43] something like that [14:43] ask the pro he will member [14:43] all text [14:43] can make more desktops also with text [14:43] whew [14:44] no gui [14:44] that is just the windows manager though [14:44] here is the link http://xmonad.org/ [14:45] i gave up after 1 hour [14:45] you gotta even tell nm to connect from cli [14:45]