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NikThHello everyone.10:38
NikThThese dates need an update -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards10:39
NikThI would edit the WiKi, but I don't know how to create an event in http://www.timeanddate.com/10:39
k1l_NikTh: i would just correct the url10:41
k1l_http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=1200+Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+June+2013&iso=20130622T12&ah=1  like that?10:41
NikThk1l_:  The next meeting according to schedule is 4th July (first Thursday) for 22:00 UTC and for 12:00 UTC is 17th July (third Wednesday )10:44
NikThk1l_:  But in order to fix these dates, I think you have to create new events in timedate.com .. I'm not sure though10:45
k1l_http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+22%3A00+UTC&iso=20130704T22&ah=110:50
k1l_http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+12%3A00+UTC&iso=20130713T12&ah=110:51
k1l_take these as long as we dont know if there is another rule to set up the meetings-time-links10:51
NikThGreat k1l_ . Can I edit the Wiki here ->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards (do I have your permission ? ) :-)10:52
k1l_im not a member of that board :/10:52
NikThHahaha... me neither10:52
NikThOh .. k1l_  , but these are not the correct dates..10:54
k1l_let me have a quick look who is in that board10:54
k1l_http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+12%3A00+UTC&iso=20130717T12&ah=110:54
k1l_was a typo (13.07. instead of 17.07.10:55
NikThand the 4th July 22:00 UTC ?10:56
k1l_http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+22%3A00+UTC&iso=20130704T22&ah=110:56
k1l_its showing 4th juy 22:00 UTC for me10:57
NikThOk, now are correct.10:57
NikThI will edit the Wiki.. I hope they will not ban me.. hahahah.. If this wiki page was only for the council to edit, then I would not have the right to edit.. correct ?10:59
NikThk1l_:  Thanks for the help to create these events in timedate.com ..10:59
k1l_yes, atleast users who want to become members can add themselves to that wikipage the rights should allow it. at least you are taking some work off the council. just document the changes in the comment section of the editing filed11:00
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jaredNikTh: thanks for that. We generally use the links to show the time and date, they don't always have to be listed as events but it's not a bad thing that they are.11:07
NikThjared:  Thanks. I have a friend he wants to apply for Ubuntu membership and he told me that he is waiting for the dates to be changed in order to add his name in the board. So I volunteered to help to change these dates. I didn't know about the links though :-)11:13
jaredNikTh: that's great, we sometimes forget to update them, especially when it runs a little over time we all run away to other things before completing the admin side then and there.11:14
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NikThjared:  I understand.. completely . Glad I could help even in something small as this. :-)11:19
jaredNo worries, I look forward to your friend's application11:22
smartboyhwNikTh, great:)11:34
smartboyhwWe have new members!11:34
smartboyhw:P11:34
NikThsmartboyhw:  hahaha :P11:37
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pleia2hi everyone, just rounding up CC folks :)17:00
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pleia2#startmeeting Community Council17:04
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pleia2#chair dholbach Gwaihir17:04
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Gwaihir dholbach pleia217:04
dholbachhey17:04
pleia2so the plan today is to meet with translators and forums folks17:04
pleia2is there anyone from the forums here?17:04
coffeecato/17:05
pleia2hey coffeecat :)17:05
pleia2#topic Forums check-in17:05
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coffeecathi pleia2 :)17:05
pleia2I know there are some RT tickets that are being worked on, any other updates/concerns/celebrations you wish to share?17:05
coffeecatNot really. We didn't have much time to liaise amongst ourselves, but there's nothing hot that I'm aware of.17:06
pleia2well, that's good to hear :)17:06
coffeecatExcept - we added four new moderators after some of the experineced ones stepped down. Always a pleasure to see new blood.17:06
* pleia2 nods17:07
pleia2alright, well as always feel free to give us a nudge if you need anything :)17:09
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coffeecatwill do. THanks! :)17:09
pleia2thank you for coming today!17:09
coffeecat:)17:09
pleia2#topic Translators check-in17:09
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pleia2anyone here from the translations team?17:09
pleia2(Gwaihir is, but he said he was wrapping up some things)17:09
beunoo/17:10
pleia2just gave dpm a nudge too17:11
dholbachhola dpm17:12
dpmhey dholbach17:12
pleia2dpm: so, any updates/concerns/celebrations to share with the CC re: translations?17:14
pleia2(hoping Gwaihir will join us too)17:14
pleia2I just realized we only emailed the translations core team, probably should have asked the translations mailing list itself17:15
dpmpleia2, I've not been able to spend much time in translations since last meeting, most of my time is on app development. I've been working with the translations community to get the Ubuntu Touch apps and Unity 8 translated, and the response and results have been awesome as ever, but we're still more or less in the same situation as last time regarding global coordination17:16
czajkowskialoha17:16
dpmso things as getting language packs out or opening Saucy translations have been suffering from that17:16
dpmPierre Slamich has been organizing meetings with other translators, which is pretty awesome, but I've not been able to attend any of them so far, so I cannot report on those17:17
czajkowskidpm: is there a way we can help here?17:17
pleia2I did see http://www.piware.de/2013/06/ubuntu-saucy-translations-are-now-open/ last week17:17
dpmpleia2, yeah, I saw that as well, but we've not done any promotion or been much involved from the translations side as we used to17:18
pleia2yeah, actually I realize now that that message never actually got to the translations mailing list17:19
dholbachI can only vaguely remember the biggest blockers which were mentioned in the last meeting - can anyone remind me?17:19
pleia2I've been working some with Pierre Slamich to get stats back in UWN, so that's nice17:19
dpmnice!17:19
pleia2dholbach: coordination in general, making sure milestones were announced, translations opened17:19
Gwaihirdpm, regarding lang pack, do not remember if you already did it, but can you summarize the steps needed in an email?17:19
dpmGwaihir, I definitely can, I'll get it to you tomorrow. Actually, I'll send it to the list. It's already documented in detail here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/view/head:/doc/operator-guide.txt , but it could do with a higher level overview17:21
czajkowskidpm: are there things the commnity can't do that we need someone in canonical to do, or for the most part ok on their own to run once shown how ?17:22
Gwaihirdpm, thanks, that would much need, I would really like to push myself the langpack back17:22
Gwaihirs/need/help17:22
dpmczajkowski, I think the main thing that we need now is to get more activity and new (or current) contributors helping in terms of coordinating regular activities, doing regular announcements, set new goals, etc17:22
czajkowskinods17:23
czajkowskiok17:23
czajkowskiso more publicising17:23
dpmczajkowski, 99% can be done by the community, the only thing I can think of that requires special Canonical permissions is to build language packs on the Canonical servers17:23
czajkowskidpm: would it be possible to have a point of contact there so we know who to poke17:24
dpmfor other things that might need elevated permissions e.g. in LP, we've got the ubuntu-translations-coordinators team, which is community-based17:24
czajkowskior for tha one person to annouce when it's done ?17:24
dpmczajkowski, point of contact where?17:25
dpmif it's for the Canonical servers access for langpacks, it's pitti, but he's moved to other tasks for a while now17:26
dpmhey leoquant :)17:26
dholbachdid the translations coordination team ask for some more help with the organisation at some stage?17:27
Gwaihirdpm, can't we interact with Canonical sysadmin in case for that? is it just a script to be run or it needs something else?17:28
dholbachto me it seems like they should be able to help people who could help out new coordinators well17:28
dpmGwaihir, it requires not only ssh access to the server, but also knowledge in building the language packs. I think we rather need to find someone else in another team that can take over from pitti than IS. To find someone else has been on my list for a while, but tbh I've had no time to look into it :/17:29
leoquanthi dpm17:29
dpmdholbach, more people in the coordinators team would definitely help. We already got Pierre in there.17:30
dpmrecently17:31
dholbachthat might be a first good step then17:32
pleia2doesn't sound like a whole lot we can do right now, but we should keep this on our radar17:34
dholbachI don't have any more suggestions or questions right now.17:35
pleia2same17:35
pleia2thanks dpm and Gwaihir :)17:35
dpmthanks pleia2, czajkowski, dholbach, Gwaihir :)17:35
pleia2#topic Any Other Business17:36
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pleia2so, this! http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/20/ubuntu-donations-and-community-funding/17:36
Gwaihirthanks dpm!17:36
pleia2and also had this announced last week http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/14/certificates-for-ubuntu-members/17:38
czajkowskibusy with annoucements all of a sudden17:39
czajkowskiwhich is great17:39
pleia2yeah, nice to see all of this stuff coming together finally :)17:39
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ScottK\o17:43
pleia2unless anyone else has anything to add, I think we can wrap this up17:45
pleia2(ScottK anything from you?)17:45
ScottKI wanted to ask about the announcement today about donations.17:45
czajkowskipleia2: aye tis great :)17:46
pleia2sure17:46
czajkowskiScottK: sure fire ahead17:46
ScottKIt wasn't clear from the announcement if there's going to be community oversight or not.17:46
ScottKIt seems like one applies to Canonical and either get approved or denied.17:46
pleia2so the plan is for Canonical to be the main guardians of it and to reach out to applicable community teams for feedback, then at the end of the cycle the report will show where the money went and we'll discuss it then for the next cycle17:47
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ScottKRight, but with no idea how much was donated for Kubuntu, how do I have any idea what's reasonable to request?17:48
czajkowskiScottK: so you want to know what's in the kitty first17:48
ScottKEven if it's not made public, I think the appropriate flavor governance bodies should know.17:48
ScottKPersonally, I think it should be public, but that's a finer point.17:49
pleia2ScottK: you might want to talk to jono directly since they didn't want to make it fully public, he may be willing to give you some details privately17:49
jonoScottK, hi17:49
jonoso we don't plan on making the budgets available until the final report17:49
ScottKAlso, if someone is asking for money out of the Kubuntu pot, I think the KC should decide if it's reasonable.17:49
jonothere is no % assigned to Kubuntu17:49
dholbachScottK, I think it will be mostly about "is this use of money going to have a good impact?"17:49
czajkowskiScottK: I supose it can't be given it donations to flavours so maybe it's just on a per basis17:49
jonothere is a budget for all flavors17:50
jonorequests will come on a first come first served basis17:50
jonobut we will try to pre-empt other needs such as conference sponsorship17:50
ScottKThen when someone says they want their donation to go to, say, Lubuntu, does that affect how the money gets spent?17:50
jonoScottK, there is no way of someone saying where specifically they want their donation to go17:50
jonoother than the broad bucket of "flavors"17:51
jonoand our goal is to ensure that that money is fairly distributed across the flavors based on their needs17:51
czajkowskiScottK: if you lok at the donations page it says donate to flavours but you cannot say which one specfically so it's a flavours pot17:51
ScottKI see.17:51
jonothere is no X% for Kubuntu, X% Lubuntu etc17:51
czajkowski*look17:51
jonoScottK, my recommendation is simply put in funding requests where you feel the money could be useful utilized17:51
dholbachhttp://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=32&release=lts for example17:52
ScottKSo is there still an option to have a link to "If you want to donate to $FLAVOR specifically, go here:"?17:52
jonoScottK, and while there is still budget, if that is a reasonable request within the guidelines it should be approved17:52
jonoScottK, no17:52
jonoScottK, just the donations sliders as discussed17:52
dholbachany other questions?17:55
pleia2thanks jono17:55
jonothanks17:55
pleia2ok, thanks for coming everyone :)17:56
ScottKPersonally, I think that donations page is a problem.17:56
pleia2#endmeeting17:56
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pleia2doh17:56
ScottKI'll think about it.17:56
dholbachthanks pleia2 and everyone else!17:56
czajkowskicheers pleia217:56
pleia2ScottK: thanks17:57
czajkowskiScottK: I think it's worth giving this a few months so we can see the rviews after and then give feedback17:57
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jonoczajkowski, agreed18:13
jonowe will run this cycle and do a review if it too18:13
jonoto see how we can optimize it18:13
czajkowskijono: aye can't judge things properly I think wthout at least some real data and see how things go18:14
jonoczajkowski, yeah18:14
jonoand like anything, we will always strive to refine and improve and make it as fair as possible :-)18:15
jonoI want the report to be awesome example of how the money was used in really valuable places18:15
ScottKWith no way to specify who the donation is for, how can we possibly know what's fair.18:15
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