[10:38] <NikTh> Hello everyone.
[10:39] <NikTh> These dates need an update -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[10:39] <NikTh> I would edit the WiKi, but I don't know how to create an event in http://www.timeanddate.com/
[10:41] <k1l_> NikTh: i would just correct the url
[10:41] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=1200+Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+June+2013&iso=20130622T12&ah=1  like that?
[10:44] <NikTh> k1l_:  The next meeting according to schedule is 4th July (first Thursday) for 22:00 UTC and for 12:00 UTC is 17th July (third Wednesday )
[10:45] <NikTh> k1l_:  But in order to fix these dates, I think you have to create new events in timedate.com .. I'm not sure though
[10:50] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+22%3A00+UTC&iso=20130704T22&ah=1
[10:51] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+12%3A00+UTC&iso=20130713T12&ah=1
[10:51] <k1l_> take these as long as we dont know if there is another rule to set up the meetings-time-links
[10:52] <NikTh> Great k1l_ . Can I edit the Wiki here ->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards (do I have your permission ? ) :-)
[10:52] <k1l_> im not a member of that board :/
[10:52] <NikTh> Hahaha... me neither
[10:54] <NikTh> Oh .. k1l_  , but these are not the correct dates..
[10:54] <k1l_> let me have a quick look who is in that board
[10:54] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+12%3A00+UTC&iso=20130717T12&ah=1
[10:55] <k1l_> was a typo (13.07. instead of 17.07.
[10:56] <NikTh> and the 4th July 22:00 UTC ?
[10:56] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+22%3A00+UTC&iso=20130704T22&ah=1
[10:57] <k1l_> its showing 4th juy 22:00 UTC for me
[10:57] <NikTh> Ok, now are correct.
[10:59] <NikTh> I will edit the Wiki.. I hope they will not ban me.. hahahah.. If this wiki page was only for the council to edit, then I would not have the right to edit.. correct ?
[10:59] <NikTh> k1l_:  Thanks for the help to create these events in timedate.com ..
[11:00] <k1l_> yes, atleast users who want to become members can add themselves to that wikipage the rights should allow it. at least you are taking some work off the council. just document the changes in the comment section of the editing filed
[11:07] <jared> NikTh: thanks for that. We generally use the links to show the time and date, they don't always have to be listed as events but it's not a bad thing that they are.
[11:13] <NikTh> jared:  Thanks. I have a friend he wants to apply for Ubuntu membership and he told me that he is waiting for the dates to be changed in order to add his name in the board. So I volunteered to help to change these dates. I didn't know about the links though :-)
[11:14] <jared> NikTh: that's great, we sometimes forget to update them, especially when it runs a little over time we all run away to other things before completing the admin side then and there.
[11:19] <NikTh> jared:  I understand.. completely . Glad I could help even in something small as this. :-)
[11:22] <jared> No worries, I look forward to your friend's application
[11:34] <smartboyhw> NikTh, great:)
[11:34] <smartboyhw> We have new members!
[11:34] <smartboyhw> :P
[11:37] <NikTh> smartboyhw:  hahaha :P
[17:00] <pleia2> hi everyone, just rounding up CC folks :)
[17:04] <pleia2> #startmeeting Community Council
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[17:04] <pleia2> #chair dholbach Gwaihir
[17:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: Gwaihir dholbach pleia2
[17:04] <dholbach> hey
[17:04] <pleia2> so the plan today is to meet with translators and forums folks
[17:04] <pleia2> is there anyone from the forums here?
[17:05] <coffeecat> o/
[17:05] <pleia2> hey coffeecat :)
[17:05] <pleia2> #topic Forums check-in
[17:05] <coffeecat> hi pleia2 :)
[17:05] <pleia2> I know there are some RT tickets that are being worked on, any other updates/concerns/celebrations you wish to share?
[17:06] <coffeecat> Not really. We didn't have much time to liaise amongst ourselves, but there's nothing hot that I'm aware of.
[17:06] <pleia2> well, that's good to hear :)
[17:06] <coffeecat> Except - we added four new moderators after some of the experineced ones stepped down. Always a pleasure to see new blood.
[17:07]  * pleia2 nods
[17:09] <pleia2> alright, well as always feel free to give us a nudge if you need anything :)
[17:09] <coffeecat> will do. THanks! :)
[17:09] <pleia2> thank you for coming today!
[17:09] <coffeecat> :)
[17:09] <pleia2> #topic Translators check-in
[17:09] <pleia2> anyone here from the translations team?
[17:09] <pleia2> (Gwaihir is, but he said he was wrapping up some things)
[17:10] <beuno> o/
[17:11] <pleia2> just gave dpm a nudge too
[17:12] <dholbach> hola dpm
[17:12] <dpm> hey dholbach
[17:14] <pleia2> dpm: so, any updates/concerns/celebrations to share with the CC re: translations?
[17:14] <pleia2> (hoping Gwaihir will join us too)
[17:15] <pleia2> I just realized we only emailed the translations core team, probably should have asked the translations mailing list itself
[17:16] <dpm> pleia2, I've not been able to spend much time in translations since last meeting, most of my time is on app development. I've been working with the translations community to get the Ubuntu Touch apps and Unity 8 translated, and the response and results have been awesome as ever, but we're still more or less in the same situation as last time regarding global coordination
[17:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:16] <dpm> so things as getting language packs out or opening Saucy translations have been suffering from that
[17:17] <dpm> Pierre Slamich has been organizing meetings with other translators, which is pretty awesome, but I've not been able to attend any of them so far, so I cannot report on those
[17:17] <czajkowski> dpm: is there a way we can help here?
[17:17] <pleia2> I did see http://www.piware.de/2013/06/ubuntu-saucy-translations-are-now-open/ last week
[17:18] <dpm> pleia2, yeah, I saw that as well, but we've not done any promotion or been much involved from the translations side as we used to
[17:19] <pleia2> yeah, actually I realize now that that message never actually got to the translations mailing list
[17:19] <dholbach> I can only vaguely remember the biggest blockers which were mentioned in the last meeting - can anyone remind me?
[17:19] <pleia2> I've been working some with Pierre Slamich to get stats back in UWN, so that's nice
[17:19] <dpm> nice!
[17:19] <pleia2> dholbach: coordination in general, making sure milestones were announced, translations opened
[17:19] <Gwaihir> dpm, regarding lang pack, do not remember if you already did it, but can you summarize the steps needed in an email?
[17:21] <dpm> Gwaihir, I definitely can, I'll get it to you tomorrow. Actually, I'll send it to the list. It's already documented in detail here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/view/head:/doc/operator-guide.txt , but it could do with a higher level overview
[17:22] <czajkowski> dpm: are there things the commnity can't do that we need someone in canonical to do, or for the most part ok on their own to run once shown how ?
[17:22] <Gwaihir> dpm, thanks, that would much need, I would really like to push myself the langpack back
[17:22] <Gwaihir> s/need/help
[17:22] <dpm> czajkowski, I think the main thing that we need now is to get more activity and new (or current) contributors helping in terms of coordinating regular activities, doing regular announcements, set new goals, etc
[17:23] <czajkowski> nods
[17:23] <czajkowski> ok
[17:23] <czajkowski> so more publicising
[17:23] <dpm> czajkowski, 99% can be done by the community, the only thing I can think of that requires special Canonical permissions is to build language packs on the Canonical servers
[17:24] <czajkowski> dpm: would it be possible to have a point of contact there so we know who to poke
[17:24] <dpm> for other things that might need elevated permissions e.g. in LP, we've got the ubuntu-translations-coordinators team, which is community-based
[17:24] <czajkowski> or for tha one person to annouce when it's done ?
[17:25] <dpm> czajkowski, point of contact where?
[17:26] <dpm> if it's for the Canonical servers access for langpacks, it's pitti, but he's moved to other tasks for a while now
[17:26] <dpm> hey leoquant :)
[17:27] <dholbach> did the translations coordination team ask for some more help with the organisation at some stage?
[17:28] <Gwaihir> dpm, can't we interact with Canonical sysadmin in case for that? is it just a script to be run or it needs something else?
[17:28] <dholbach> to me it seems like they should be able to help people who could help out new coordinators well
[17:29] <dpm> Gwaihir, it requires not only ssh access to the server, but also knowledge in building the language packs. I think we rather need to find someone else in another team that can take over from pitti than IS. To find someone else has been on my list for a while, but tbh I've had no time to look into it :/
[17:29] <leoquant> hi dpm
[17:30] <dpm> dholbach, more people in the coordinators team would definitely help. We already got Pierre in there.
[17:31] <dpm> recently
[17:32] <dholbach> that might be a first good step then
[17:34] <pleia2> doesn't sound like a whole lot we can do right now, but we should keep this on our radar
[17:35] <dholbach> I don't have any more suggestions or questions right now.
[17:35] <pleia2> same
[17:35] <pleia2> thanks dpm and Gwaihir :)
[17:35] <dpm> thanks pleia2, czajkowski, dholbach, Gwaihir :)
[17:36] <pleia2> #topic Any Other Business
[17:36] <pleia2> so, this! http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/20/ubuntu-donations-and-community-funding/
[17:36] <Gwaihir> thanks dpm!
[17:38] <pleia2> and also had this announced last week http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/14/certificates-for-ubuntu-members/
[17:39] <czajkowski> busy with annoucements all of a sudden
[17:39] <czajkowski> which is great
[17:39] <pleia2> yeah, nice to see all of this stuff coming together finally :)
[17:43] <ScottK> \o
[17:45] <pleia2> unless anyone else has anything to add, I think we can wrap this up
[17:45] <pleia2> (ScottK anything from you?)
[17:45] <ScottK> I wanted to ask about the announcement today about donations.
[17:46] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye tis great :)
[17:46] <pleia2> sure
[17:46] <czajkowski> ScottK: sure fire ahead
[17:46] <ScottK> It wasn't clear from the announcement if there's going to be community oversight or not.
[17:46] <ScottK> It seems like one applies to Canonical and either get approved or denied.
[17:47] <pleia2> so the plan is for Canonical to be the main guardians of it and to reach out to applicable community teams for feedback, then at the end of the cycle the report will show where the money went and we'll discuss it then for the next cycle
[17:48] <ScottK> Right, but with no idea how much was donated for Kubuntu, how do I have any idea what's reasonable to request?
[17:48] <czajkowski> ScottK: so you want to know what's in the kitty first
[17:48] <ScottK> Even if it's not made public, I think the appropriate flavor governance bodies should know.
[17:49] <ScottK> Personally, I think it should be public, but that's a finer point.
[17:49] <pleia2> ScottK: you might want to talk to jono directly since they didn't want to make it fully public, he may be willing to give you some details privately
[17:49] <jono> ScottK, hi
[17:49] <jono> so we don't plan on making the budgets available until the final report
[17:49] <ScottK> Also, if someone is asking for money out of the Kubuntu pot, I think the KC should decide if it's reasonable.
[17:49] <jono> there is no % assigned to Kubuntu
[17:49] <dholbach> ScottK, I think it will be mostly about "is this use of money going to have a good impact?"
[17:49] <czajkowski> ScottK: I supose it can't be given it donations to flavours so maybe it's just on a per basis
[17:50] <jono> there is a budget for all flavors
[17:50] <jono> requests will come on a first come first served basis
[17:50] <jono> but we will try to pre-empt other needs such as conference sponsorship
[17:50] <ScottK> Then when someone says they want their donation to go to, say, Lubuntu, does that affect how the money gets spent?
[17:50] <jono> ScottK, there is no way of someone saying where specifically they want their donation to go
[17:51] <jono> other than the broad bucket of "flavors"
[17:51] <jono> and our goal is to ensure that that money is fairly distributed across the flavors based on their needs
[17:51] <czajkowski> ScottK: if you lok at the donations page it says donate to flavours but you cannot say which one specfically so it's a flavours pot
[17:51] <ScottK> I see.
[17:51] <jono> there is no X% for Kubuntu, X% Lubuntu etc
[17:51] <czajkowski> *look
[17:51] <jono> ScottK, my recommendation is simply put in funding requests where you feel the money could be useful utilized
[17:52] <dholbach> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=32&release=lts for example
[17:52] <ScottK> So is there still an option to have a link to "If you want to donate to $FLAVOR specifically, go here:"?
[17:52] <jono> ScottK, and while there is still budget, if that is a reasonable request within the guidelines it should be approved
[17:52] <jono> ScottK, no
[17:52] <jono> ScottK, just the donations sliders as discussed
[17:55] <dholbach> any other questions?
[17:55] <pleia2> thanks jono
[17:55] <jono> thanks
[17:56] <pleia2> ok, thanks for coming everyone :)
[17:56] <ScottK> Personally, I think that donations page is a problem.
[17:56] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 17:56:23 2013 UTC.
[17:56] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-20-17.04.moin.txt
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[17:56] <pleia2> doh
[17:56] <ScottK> I'll think about it.
[17:56] <dholbach> thanks pleia2 and everyone else!
[17:56] <czajkowski> cheers pleia2
[17:57] <pleia2> ScottK: thanks
[17:57] <czajkowski> ScottK: I think it's worth giving this a few months so we can see the rviews after and then give feedback
[18:13] <jono> czajkowski, agreed
[18:13] <jono> we will run this cycle and do a review if it too
[18:13] <jono> to see how we can optimize it
[18:14] <czajkowski> jono: aye can't judge things properly I think wthout at least some real data and see how things go
[18:14] <jono> czajkowski, yeah
[18:15] <jono> and like anything, we will always strive to refine and improve and make it as fair as possible :-)
[18:15] <jono> I want the report to be awesome example of how the money was used in really valuable places
[18:15] <ScottK> With no way to specify who the donation is for, how can we possibly know what's fair.