[03:43] <syahliany> Hello ... Ubunter
[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <captchaman> QUESTION : What can i do to help? i am not the most technical guy but i love ubuntu.
[09:42] <Shubham_Rao> hi
[13:40] <supercopter> I can see you ;)
[13:47] <supercopter> I've discovered Ubuntu on my laptop, and now I want to install it on my desktop. Sadly, I'll list my currently installed packages and have to start from scratch. I understand that syncing packages across different machines might be tricky, but what about simply having the Ubuntu "store" remembering the list of programs I've already installed? That
[13:47] <supercopter> way I could browse this list and easily find and reinstall programs I've tested on my previous machine.
[16:28] <OzzieMx> Hi.
[16:30] <OzzieMx> Did I miss the interview?
[16:32] <PaulW2U> OzzieMx: Which interview?
[16:33] <OzzieMx> The announced yesterday in Q & A.
[16:36] <PaulW2U> Jono's Q & A was at 1800 GMT yesterday. I think there will be another tonight. 1900 GMT? Not sure. Sorry.
[16:40] <OzzieMx> That is.
[16:42] <OzzieMx> GMT = UTC. 7 PM London Time?
[16:43] <OzzieMx> Thanks PaulW2U.
[18:53] <Gentoo> how long till stream starts?
[18:53] <StefanT> 7min I assume
[18:53] <Gentoo> thanks.
[18:53] <jono> yup 7mins
[18:53] <jono> :-)
[18:54] <padmick> hi all =)
[18:54] <Gentoo> hello.
[18:56] <condog> cool beans
[18:59] <phnz> wo0t
[19:00] <fr33r1d3> started yet?
[19:00] <Gentoo> no.
[19:01] <jono> can you folks see us?
[19:01] <beuno> o/
[19:01] <fr33r1d3> yes
[19:01] <Gentoo> we can see u
[19:02] <Daktyl198> we see you
[19:02] <Eme7> Yes, clearly.
[19:02] <PaulW2U> loud and clear
[19:02] <Kouakou> we can see you just fine
[19:02] <lunartiger> omg they look like humans!
[19:02] <icoop> yep
[19:02] <netcurli> we can see you
[19:02] <ttbro1> we could see you guys loud and clear
[19:02] <netcurli> :D
[19:02] <ttbro1> some one speaker need fixing
[19:02] <Kouakou> so no women work at Canonical ??
[19:02] <Gentoo> Lol
[19:03] <netcurli> about 2 min delay
[19:03] <ttbro1> it live, guys :)
[19:03] <Gentoo> nice to meet you all.
[19:04] <ttbro1> so what is your name guys?
[19:04] <ttbro1> the host
[19:04] <beuno> Jono Bacon is the host
[19:04] <Eme7> Jono Bacon?
[19:04] <jdstrand> Jono Bacon
[19:04] <ttbro1> thanks guys
[19:10] <ttbro1> for a beginner like me, how they go about developing the package?
[19:10] <danu> yo dudes
[19:11] <Eme7> ttbro1, you can start by looking at the "SDK" (Software Development Kit) for Ubuntu.
[19:11] <seanpk> why not a simplified interface for .deb?
[19:11] <seanpk> couldn't you still build packages like this using .deb?
[19:11] <Eme7> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[19:13] <ttbro1> thanks :)
[19:13] <beuno> seanpk, that
[19:13] <beuno> that's the answer
[19:13] <beuno> to why not use simplified debs
[19:14] <beuno> (there may be a slight delay in the feed)
[19:14] <seanpk> @beuno - that .debs are installed as root?
[19:14] <beuno> seanpk, yes
[19:14] <seanpk> just got that ... think that makes sense
[19:16] <Eme7> bueno, seanpk, I'm barely getting that :)
[19:16] <beuno> Eme7, the idea is that you wouldn't have to care  ;)
[19:20] <bashrc> the click file idea sounds reasonable.  I'm battling with packaging at the moment
[19:25] <seanpk> would "reasonable" be definable by end users (or their admins)?
[19:25] <seanpk> on install
[19:25] <seanpk> or in curating their own repo
[19:25] <beuno> seanpk, for the time being, those will be appstore policies
[19:25] <beuno> people can install click packages at will
[19:26] <MicLix> Of course it has to be open & flexible, nonsense think that only ubuntu packages can be installed. Otherwise it would become another "Unity vs Mint" deceptory win. ;)
[19:26] <JGu> Question: is there goin to be some easy way to install ubuntu touch next to android?
[19:27] <jono> JGu, we are only going to field questions that relate to this topic of click packages and app uploads
[19:27] <fr33r1d3> Is it lagging just for me?
[19:27] <seanpk> thought about allowing the definition of device policies to limit what packages could be installed?
[19:27] <JGu> Ok Jono, sorry...overall big lags today
[19:28] <beuno> seanpk, we haven't gotten that far yet  :)
[19:28] <bashrc> IMHO packaging on linux in general (not just Debian) is still way too complicated, and so this creates a high barrier to entry for new developers
[19:29] <mohits> QUESTION: Will there any kind of permission list (likewise in android) just to let user know what all access the application will have. manifest file in case of android list out permissions list, from where android lists all the acess app will have, giving control the user to either install the app or reject it ...
[19:29] <netcurli> QUESTION: What happens with dependencies on existing libraries in click packages? If I use something like fluidsynth for example in a c++ plugin for qml would I have to include the whole source code for that in my app package?
[19:29] <seanpk> beuno, sure ... but what you're designing has the flexibility to handle that?
[19:31] <jdstrand> netcurli: it has to be bundled with the app. there are no external deps beyond the sdk
[19:32] <jdstrand> jono: see QUESTIONs ^
[19:32] <jono> jdstrand, yup, we will get to those soon
[19:32]  * jdstrand nods
[19:33] <seanpk> are any "tools" being provided for those who want (need) to provide both click and deb packages?
[19:33] <seanpk> (to make it easier for them)
[19:34] <jcastro> hi folks!
[19:35] <The_Matrix> QUESTION: Since the next version of Ubuntu (Ubuntu Touch specifically) will have read-only privileges for the base, and read-write, what place will .deb and more importantly click packages in newer version of Ubuntu. Will .debs work in this case?
[19:37] <jcastro> QUESTION: Will app authors have free reign to update on their own schedule? Is this the end of "you have to upgrade your entire OS to get a new version of a text editor?"
[19:39] <beuno> jcastro, yes, you will be able to update whenever you want
[19:39] <mohits> QUESTION: Is this click packaging will be size efficient as we'll have space limitation on mobile devices?
[19:39] <beuno> The_Matrix, yes, but you'll need root access
[19:39] <seanpk> beuno unless the new package depends on new things in a newer SDK?
[19:39] <jcastro> beuno: is there a provision when app authors say "ok then, remove me from universe so I can update my users"? or actually, if you could explain when they get to you next how this relates to things traditionally part of the distro ...
[19:39] <beuno> seanpk, of course
[19:39] <seanpk> how easy is the SDK upgrade?
[19:40] <beuno> jcastro, aha!  a tricky one
[19:40] <jcastro> mohits: check out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades but I am not sure how that relates to click packages
[19:40] <beuno> jcastro, I don't think I have a good answer for that quite yet  :)
[19:41]  * jcastro nods
[19:42] <mohits> It would be much more transparent and comprehensive if the designing and dev team put it. Greatly appreciate your response :)
[19:43] <beuno> mohits, I think space efficiency is up to each app, rather than the installer
[19:44] <mohits> @beuno: true, if the code is well written, though in case of apps with lot of pre date that comes with package, it matters a lot
[19:44] <mohits> data*
[19:48] <netcurli> QUESTION: will users be able to install click packages if they are not running unity but maybe Gnome shell or KDE?
[19:49] <mohits> PLZ SCROLL BACK TOO
[20:02] <seanpk> good job guys, thanks
[20:03] <beuno> o/
[20:03] <jcastro> that was awesome fellas
[20:03] <netcurli> thanks
[20:03] <mohits> Cheers guys.
[20:03] <AnimoEme7> Yes, thank you!
[20:03] <The_Matrix> Thanks
[20:24] <ivanos> how i instal yelo tv on ubunto
[21:21] <vandance> See just fine