[00:04] <slangasek> ogra_: the new grouper kernel is beautiful, thanks :)
[00:10] <mhall119> new kernel?  what goodies does it include?
[00:13] <slangasek> mhall119: it fixes the console handling, so that with the flipped image we don't get scrolly kernel text
[00:13] <slangasek> and we also don't get a reboot loop
[00:13] <slangasek> :)
[00:13] <slangasek> instead we get beautiful Ubuntu Touch
[00:15] <mhall119> ah, I'm not using hte flipped image yet, so I didn't know about those problems
[00:15]  * mhall119 goes back to wishing and hoping for camera and audio to work
[00:23] <jordanl> anyone mind helping me out real quick?
[00:33] <mhall119> jordanl: what's up?
[01:50] <iLeoable> Hello
[01:51] <dixeflatline> whats crackin
[01:51] <iLeoable> Is there any way to install ubuntu-touch on HTC Thunderbolt running ICS?
[01:52] <dixeflatline> hmm hold.  see if its been ported
[01:52] <iLeoable> ok thanks
[01:57] <dixeflatline> it doesnt look like its been ported yet
[01:57] <iLeoable> awwww crap
[01:57] <iLeoable> thanks though for checkinng!
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[07:20] <tvoss> dholbach, ping
[07:21] <dholbach> tvoss, pong
[08:07] <mardy> timp: hi! About bug 1189728
[08:07] <mardy> timp: I don't understand what you write in your first paragraph; do you mean that I'm doing something wrong in my test case?
[08:18] <AskUbuntu> Ubunut.Components module missing | http://askubuntu.com/q/310531
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Dump the Pump Day and happy World Refugee Day! :-)
[08:32] <Laney> seb128: hey, where did the icons you got for the settings panels come from?
[08:32] <Laney> appearance doesn't get one on the device atm
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, design, but they are temporary ones, they didn't decide yet on whether they want monochrome or colored icons for the panels
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, once they decide on that they will include them in the theme
[08:35] <seb128> Laney, I fwded you the email and the zip, feel free to include the icon you need as a temporary solution, that's what Ken and I did, you also want to s/cccccc/808080 in the .svg to get the right color
[08:35] <Laney> ah cool, there is a settings-backgrounds in there
[08:36] <Laney> merci
[08:36] <seb128> de rien
[08:45] <Asad2005> I have restored original android for my nexus 4 as per the install wiki, can i use the same procedure to install other modified images like cyanogenmod?
[08:47] <matt95> hello everyone, i'm trying to port the ubuntu touch preview on my HTC One X. the build ends fine without any error but my phone after installation it remains on the bootanimation.
[08:48] <matt95> i think that there's something wrong with the kernel itself, do you have any auggestion?
[09:04] <matt95> bobody?
[09:18] <xnox> matt95: you read porting guide right?
[09:19] <matt95> yes i followed everything :(
[09:19] <matt95> but nothing seems to works
[09:19] <xnox> Asad2005: once it's back to normal android, sure just read cyanogenmod instructions and install using their instructions.
[09:19] <matt95> i flash the .zip file and its boot.img in fastboot
[09:19] <matt95> that should be enough
[09:20] <xnox> matt95: there seemed to be a port for HTC One X already....
[09:20] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[09:20] <matt95> it is the old version
[09:20] <matt95> and i wanted to made one by myself
[09:20] <matt95> now even that man can't boot the hox, i've already contacted him
[09:21] <matt95> with this new version i mean
[09:21] <xnox> matt95: hmmm....... you'd still want to continue using the same htc one x kernel though.
[09:21] <Asad2005> xnox: I mean since the nexus is unlocked (rooted), can i just unzip cyanogenmod image cd to it and flash
[09:22] <xnox> Asad2005: no idea =) I've never run cyanogenmod. But if you are back to stock nexus4 normal way (whichever that is) to install cyanogenmod should work.
[09:22] <matt95> i use the kernel that my machine puts out once everything is compiled, right?
[09:23] <xnox> matt95: no, that will not work, ever =)
[09:23] <xnox> matt95: try the old kernel from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171786 but with raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[09:23] <xnox> and see if that boots.
[09:24] <matt95> that's why then... so what kernel do i have to pick up? cause if i compile a normal cyanogenmod i do flash the boot.img that the machine gives me back and everything works just fine
[09:24] <xnox> hm.
[09:24] <matt95> i'll try thanks
[09:28] <matt95> yeah but my question is, where did he get that kernel/boot.img? the cyanogenmod.zip file to be flashed is the one that he had taken from the out/target/htc/endeavoru
[09:29] <matt95> so basically he's doing my same thing
[09:29] <matt95> but with the latest repositories i think there's something wrong
[09:30] <matt95> let's see, i'm rebooting
[09:33] <matt95> as i though, it doesn't boot up...
[09:35] <matt95> so the problem is with the saucy-preinstalled-phablet.armhf.zip
[09:37] <xnox> matt95: don't use saucy-preinstall-phablet, that's still flaky.
[09:37] <xnox> matt95: wait, it seems fixed now.
[09:37] <matt95> ???
[09:37] <xnox> matt95: are you using the one from here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[09:38] <matt95> ye exactly
[09:43] <Asad2005> matt95: How did you flash the .zip file and its boot.img in fastboot ? can you please shed somelight
[09:44] <Asad2005> I dont want to go to windows pc, i want to use ubuntu
[09:45] <matt95> i've compiled the .zip file following the guide on the ubuntu porting site, i took the output file from the out/target/htc/endeavoru and flashed it in recovery, then i flashed the saucy-preinstalled.zip and then i rebooted to fastboot and flashed the boot.img(which is the kernel)...
[09:46] <matt95> then i rebooted but nothing boots ups, it is stuck at the bootnaimation
[09:46] <matt95> i'm using ubuntu too
[10:07] <om26er> my screen rotation is not working on the latest image. What broke ?
[10:11] <asac> hmm. wonder how we could automate screen rotation testing.
[10:12] <timp> mardy: I'm checking bug 1189728. There is indeed something wrong. I thought I got it to work well yesterday, but not anymore..
[10:12] <timp> mardy: so I'm looking into it.
[10:12] <mardy> timp: thanks!
[10:13] <mardy> timp: indeed with the rectangle being all red, it wasn't easy to notice :-)
[10:15] <ogra_> asac, a usb driven stepper motor, a pattern and a camera
[10:17] <asac> yeah. i had this idea of the validation train... having device train drive through the office to roam wifi, go in cellar etc. :)
[10:17] <asac> guess one could combine that concept :)
[10:18] <ogra_> heh
[10:41] <popey> asac / ogra_ you only really need to lay the device flat and lift one edge off the table to trigger rotation ☻
[10:41] <ogra_> that only works for mako though
[10:41] <ogra_> for grouper you would need to oil the table :P
[10:43] <asac> :)
[10:44] <ogra_> no, but seriously, if you want to test the full stack you wont get around some tilting HW solution
[10:48] <timp> mardy: it seems that internally in the Flickable, if its height equals the contentsHeight, flicking is disabled
[10:48] <timp> mardy: that is the case here, even though I set the topMargin to keep space for the header, perhaps that margin is not taken into account when comparing height with contentsHeight
[10:48]  * timp trying to think of a solution
[10:49] <mardy> timp: that seems quite logic, in fact
[10:49] <mardy> timp: I think that when the header is visible, you should make the height of the flickable smaller
[10:50] <timp> mardy: if you add -1 to the rectangle height instead of +1, it also works.. just not if the height is equal to contentHeight
[10:50] <mardy> timp: really? ah, I didn't try that. Weeeird!
[10:51] <timp> mardy: currently there are two options for dealing with the header:
[10:51] <timp> 1. if there is no flickable, make the Page less high, so that its top touches the header bottom
[10:51] <timp> 2. if there is a flickable, keep the Page height the same, but set a topMargin for the flickable.
[10:52] <timp> we are in case 2. the problem is that the Flickable automatically disables flicking if contentHeight [10:52] <timp> it is some bad interaction between the header, and the automatic flicking detection of the Flickable
[10:53] <timp> mardy:                 flickableDirection: Flickable.VerticalFlick
[10:53] <timp> mardy: adding ^ to the Flickable fixes the problem.
[10:53] <timp> but it would be nice to find a way to make it work for the default:
[10:53] <timp> Flickable.AutoFlickDirection (default) - allows flicking vertically if the contentHeight is not equal to the height of the Flickable. Allows flicking horizontally if the contentWidth is not equal to the width of the Flickable.
[10:53] <mardy> timp: looks like the isVerticalFlickable() function is wrong, then
[10:54] <mardy> timp: it does "if ( (direction [10:56]  * xnox was struggling with making value selector flickable on a page and eventually gave up.
[10:56] <timp> mardy: it doesn't matter. I am testing now with the object.contentHeight !== object.height commented out. the Flickable still cannot be flicked because the same comparison is probably inside the Flickable
[10:57] <timp> xnox: what do you mean making it flickable? if you have it inside a ListView or Flickable, when the ValueSelector is expanded its height is adapted so it should work
[10:58] <xnox> timp: right. let me summon qt-creator and check what i was doing wrong.
[10:59] <timp> let's continue these discussions in #ubuntu-app-devel
[11:16] <Venkat> Hello
[11:16] <popey> hi
[11:17] <Venkat> I'm from India, when Ubuntu will be ready for sale
[11:17] <Venkat> I mean, when Ubuntu will come to Market
[11:18] <[mbm]> every time I go to download ubuntu they ask for money, but I always figured that was because I use a nigerian proxy server
[11:20] <popey> Valtam: next year
[11:20] <Valtam> hi popey
[11:21] <cdesai> wrong guy popey :-P
[11:21] <Valtam> doh
[11:21] <popey> oops
[11:21] <popey> s/valtam/venkat/
[11:23] <xnox> [mbm]: yeah, it's a contribution page for ubuntu project. you can skip it. Or download directly from plain http at http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:23] <xnox> no contribution pages there ;-)
[11:33] <ogra_> rsalveti, there should be a flipped manta image to test now
[11:37] <Valtam> popey, sent you a pm
[11:40] <diwic> rsalveti, I need this file, I believe. Should it be added to libhybris-dev? http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_hardware_libhardware.git;a=blob;f=include/hardware/audio.h;h=beac717708eb1d1e12055de366ce856f2431006a;hb=HEAD
[12:28] <ogra_> diwic, around ?
[12:29] <diwic> ogra_, hi
[12:29] <ogra_> heay
[12:29] <ogra_> sooo ...
[12:29] <ogra_> we created ucm profiles for the tegra and panda desktop images ...
[12:30] <ogra_> way back ...
[12:30] <ogra_> :)
[12:30] <diwic> okay
[12:31] <ogra_> now we have that android container that initializes the sound devices already ... and the maguro (galaxy nexus) device is identical to panda ... and the grouper (nexus7) device is well, identical to what we used for the n7 desktop image
[12:31] <ogra_> so we are applying UCM profiles from the ubuntu side after the android container inited them ... and i was wondering what we can do
[12:32] <ogra_> (this results indeed in a mess)
[12:32] <diwic> ogra_, I'm actually looking through code for the android audio hal right now
[12:32] <Makalak> guys, we're trying to build ubuntu for htc one x, but we keep getting stuck at boot anim, what r ur thoughts?
[12:32] <diwic> ogra_, the current plan is to make PulseAudio use the audio hal
[12:32] <Makalak> is there a make to debug this?
[12:33] <ogra_> well, right, i just think we need to get rid of the UCM profiles on the ubuntu side if the android container is used
[12:33] <diwic> ogra_, that's what I think too
[12:33] <diwic> ogra_, as for short-term dogfooding I don't know the current state on the various images, what works and what not
[12:33] <ogra_> diwic, we will still need them for the panda desktop images though ... i thought about haaving an alsa-ucm-profiles package that we can omit to install on touch images
[12:34] <diwic> ogra_, can't we just skip the UCM udev rules completely on touch images?
[12:35] <ogra_> do they only get set by udev ?
[12:35] <ogra_> i thought the alsactl init stuff does some parts
[12:35] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, and then we can skip the ucm files too because nobody likes unused files around
[12:35] <ogra_> we will have to divert a lot of udev rules anyway, that would just be one more indeed
[12:35] <diwic> ogra_, and then we're at your proposal, alsa-ucm-profiles
[12:35] <ogra_> haha
[12:36] <diwic> ogra_, it's annoying we ship all ucm files on the x86 desktop images too, btw :-)
[12:36] <ogra_> well, i didnt mean to come to a decision right now ... just wanted to implant the thought in your brain for further thinking about it :)
[12:37] <ogra_> but yeah, having them on x86 is definitely a waste
[12:37] <diwic> (but that might all change with an Atom SoC or so)
[12:38] <ogra_> yeah
[12:38] <diwic> ogra_, but in the short term, feel free to just divert the udev rule - I think that's the only thing currently using UCM
[12:39] <ogra_> ok
[12:39] <diwic> ogra_, Luke disabled ucm in pulseaudio
[12:39] <diwic> ogra_, and I don't think alsactl does anything ucm related
[12:39] <ogra_> ok
[12:42] <Guest30155> Hey there. I'm planning to check out touch on  my Galaxy Nexus, does the telephone part work?
[12:42] <diwic> ogra_, btw, would the panda (TI) and maguro (Samsung) use the same UCM profile? That doesn't make sense.
[12:42] <ogra_> Guest30155, it does, if you have a SIm without PIN
[12:42] <ogra_> diwic, maguro is essentially a pandaboard
[12:42] <Guest30155> Ok, so i have to disable the pin code?
[12:42] <ogra_> yeah
[12:43] <diwic> ogra_, oh, so a TI OMAP processor inside? Interesting.
[12:43] <ogra_> diwic, even though it is from samsung, gooogle forced them to use omap
[12:43] <ogra_> it isnt actually a panda, but close enough to cause issues
[12:43] <ogra_> SDP4430 codec :)
[12:44] <diwic> ok :-)
[12:44] <ogra_> geez, within 10 mins it got dark outside (we had bright sunshine right before, bow i need to turn on the light)
[12:45] <ogra_> s/bow/now/
[12:45]  * ogra_ waits for the thunder
[12:45] <popey> surely you live in a basement like the rest of us, we don't need daylight!
[12:45] <ogra_> heh
[12:46] <morphis> ogra_: yeah, weather theses days is really inconsistent :D
[12:46] <ogra_> it was consistently unbearable hot for the last few days here
[12:47] <ogra_> i'm actually waiting for the promised rain
[12:47] <morphis> ogra_: you're in germany?
[12:47] <ogra_> yeah, in the center
[12:47] <morphis> we had some kind of a tiny storm already yesterday
[12:47] <morphis> sitting in the norht
[12:47] <ogra_> north, south and east got it yesterday
[12:47] <ogra_> ah, cool, i didnt know
[12:47] <morphis> :)
[12:48]  * ogra_ is in kassel
[12:48]  * morphis is near osnabrück
[12:48] <ogra_> heh, i come from hannover ...
[12:48] <ogra_> nearly neighbors
[12:49] <morphis> hehe, originally I am coming from Verden so really close :)
[12:59] <xenos1984> lower saxony meeting here? ;)
[12:59]  * xenos1984 is born in wolfsburg
[12:59] <ogra_> hey hey
[13:00] <xenos1984> btw, i asked someone to buy me a nexus 7 in germany, and it's already on the way to me
[13:01] <xenos1984> so now i wonder which image to flash - raring or saucy?
[13:01] <xenos1984> does any of those support the gps yet?
[13:03] <popey> xenos1984: saucy
[13:03] <popey> xenos1984: i dont think we've hooked up the gps to the location API yet
[13:04] <xenos1984> popey: hm... i don't know anything about the location API... but could i get like raw NMEA data? or gpsd running?
[13:05] <popey> xenos1984: perhaps
[13:06] <galaxytab> hello
[13:06] <xenos1984> popey: i guess then i'll just give it a try... so basically my plan is to use Navit for routing
[13:07] <ogra_> navit ? is that the meego one ?
[13:07] <galaxytab> my phone doesn't boot it's stuck in boot screen
[13:07] <xenos1984> provided that i get Navit and all its requirements to run... but hey, i already managed to do this on a TomTom
[13:07] <popey> nice
[13:07] <popey> be interested to see your progress - i have an n7 and n4
[13:07] <xenos1984> ogra_: well, it also supports meego, but many other devices
[13:07] <xenos1984> popey: i'll keep you informed :)
[13:08] <ogra_> right i remember trying an early version on my n900
[13:08] <ogra_> woah ... the new coloring of the lockscreen bites
[13:08]  * ogra_ liked the former color scheme better
[13:09] <xenos1984> so far i tried navit on my laptop (ubuntu 12.04) and some tomtom - recently some people used it on raspberry pi running raspbian
[13:09] <xenos1984> seems logical to me to use it on ubuntu touch :)
[13:16] <ogra_> rain !!!!
[13:16] <ogra_> oh finally !!
[13:17] <popey> ♫ It's raining men... Haleluja! ♫
[13:17] <popey> etc
[13:17] <ogra_> lol
[13:18]  * ogra_ wonders when the cats will notice ... they sleep outside since yesterday night
[13:23] <esigolo> I was wondering when someone will port whatsapp to ubuntu touch ! is the only thing i'm waiting for
[13:25] <ogra_> i think that was ported weeks ago ... called whosthere though ... but still with bugs i heard
[13:25] <highvoltage> esigolo: afaik the whatsapp staff themselves have done it, they have been hanging around recently and been asking questions
[13:30] <esigolo> highvoltage: excelent news I'm not a developer already thought to help with feedback. Testing and reporting difficulties But without the whatsapp is difficult for me to communicate with everyone I know through the whatsapp
[13:45] <mhall119> esigolo: you should send WhatsApp an email telling them you'd like an Ubuntu client
[13:49] <esigolo> Done LOL
[14:06] <mhall119> Calendar App team meeting starting now in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[14:07] <nik90> esigolo: I just realised that whatapp had a client for nokia symbian. I was using it on my nokia xpressmusic 5800 long time back. So porting it (and updating) for touch should be easy
[14:07] <nik90> esigolo: I hope whatapp consider this
[14:09] <esigolo> nik90: I sent an e-mail asking when it will be done LOL
[14:09] <nik90> esigolo: nice. Lets hope the reply is positive
[14:10] <esigolo> I have one GTI9000B
[14:11] <esigolo> I was thinking to connect on my ubuntu machine at home and give access to developers to test
[14:12] <esigolo> i don't now it is would be useful
[14:12] <esigolo> know*
[14:13] <mhall119> nik90: the more people who ask for it, the more likely they are to make it
[14:26] <rsalveti> diwic: I'll add the file to libhybris
[14:26] <rsalveti> should be part of libhybris-dev
[14:29] <diwic> rsalveti, thanks. See my just sent email too, though
[14:30] <rsalveti> diwic: hm, nothing here, might take a few minutes
[14:31] <diwic> rsalveti, ah, didn't click the send button. Done now.
[14:35] <diwic> rsalveti, but if you add audio.h please add audio_policy.h too while you're at it
[14:35] <rsalveti> sure
[14:37] <rsalveti> diwic: which device had the smart android audio hal?
[14:38] <diwic> rsalveti, more than one.
[14:38] <rsalveti> that's interesting, though audioflinger would cover most of the logic
[14:39] <diwic> rsalveti, well, audioflinger uses hal for both pcm and mixer
[14:39] <diwic> rsalveti, the problem comes if you want to use hal for mixer and direct alsa for pcm
[14:40] <rsalveti> right
[14:44] <diwic> rsalveti, but I'm not sure. It's not easy to keep four audio HAL implementations in your head simultaneously :-)
[14:44] <diwic> they all seem to do it in slightly different ways
[14:44] <diwic> maybe some don't do it
[14:45] <rsalveti> diwic: that was my impression as well
[14:45] <rsalveti> would it be hard to have a pulse element that would use the hal for both pcm and mixer?
[14:45] <rsalveti> but the second option sounds more clean, just more work I guess
[14:46] <diwic> rsalveti, it's possible, but we lose some of pulseaudio's features, such as dynamic latnecy
[14:46] <rsalveti> yeah
[14:46] <rsalveti> ideally pcm would go directly to alsa
[14:48] <diwic> nexus7 probably does not
[14:49] <diwic> tuna seems to; there is a call out_write -> start_output_stream -> select_output_device
[14:50] <rsalveti> right
[14:50] <diwic> manta seems to; same there out_write -> start_output_stream -> select_devices
[14:52] <kenvandine> ogra_, the touch images are built from the ubuntu-touch.saucy seed right?
[14:52] <diwic> qcom audio (nexus4) seems to: there are calls from out_write -> AudioStreamOutALSA::write -> snd_use_case_*
[14:52] <rvr> Grrr
[14:52] <diwic> rsalveti, so three out of four seem "smart" to me
[14:52] <ogra_> kenvandine, the flipped ones, yes
[14:52] <rvr> I think I soft-bricked the Nexus 4
[14:52] <kenvandine> oh
[14:53] <rvr> while installing saucy
[14:53] <rvr> And howto out there how to recover?
[14:53] <kenvandine> so to get something seeded we need to add it in 2 places?
[14:53] <rvr> adb devices doesn't list anything
[14:53] <kenvandine> ogra_, where do the unflipped images come from?
[14:53] <diwic> rsalveti, but I'm on holiday tomorrow, back on Monday with fresh energy hopefully to tackle this, and perhaps some new smart idea :-)
[14:54] <ogra_> kenvandine, jenkins ... flipped comes from cdimage (and we'll default to these next week)
[14:55] <kenvandine> ok, so maybe i should just worry about seeding system-settings for flipped
[14:58] <rsalveti> diwic: cool, will take a look at the code later today as well, want to understand a bit more of what is happening there
[15:06] <vrruiz> Is there any equivalent file for Nexus 4 to saucy-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip?
[15:06] <kenvandine> vrruiz, the mako one
[15:07] <vrruiz> kenvandine: For nexus 4?
[15:07] <vrruiz> Those are armel builds, not armhf
[15:14] <vrruiz> Ok, I see that's not an issue
[15:14] <vrruiz> However, I only see one zip file, this mako are images
[15:17] <vrruiz> Ok, cdimage stores the armel+mako.zip (I was looking at my Downloads folder)
[15:21] <ogra_> vrruiz, ubuntu touch consists of two zips ... the amrel+$subarch.zip and the armhf.zip ... the armel one has all device specific bits in it, armhf is device agnostic and carries the whole rootfs
[15:21] <vrruiz> ogra_: Good to know, thanks
[15:45] <mfisch> has anyone tried valgrinding a process on the device? My results are somewhat odd, like the stack reported doesn't go down far enough to the original caller
[15:45] <mfisch> My stacks end at calls like g_malloc, not the actual code calling g_malloc which is what I need
[15:52] <balloons> nik90, ping
[15:54] <nik90> balloons: pong
[15:54] <balloons> nik90, so last I looked the clock app branches with tests were still hanging out unmerged
[15:55] <nik90> balloons: yes, I am waiting on omer to fix the stuff
[15:55] <nik90> balloons: I have also been meaning to write some tests myself, but have been preoccupied with the new toolbar api and design changes. But I do intend to get my tests in before this weekend
[15:55] <balloons> nik90, are the bugs up to date on what's been started on vs not?
[15:56] <balloons> nik90, I just want to make sure I represent the state of things well :-)
[15:56] <nik90> balloons: the bugs are up to date.
[15:56] <balloons> I only see one in progress
[15:56] <nik90> balloons: yeah that
[15:56] <nik90> balloons: that's the add timer test which is being written by me
[15:57] <nik90> balloons: omer is just fixing the existing tests which do not any bug reports
[15:57] <balloons> ok perfect.. so people who want to add things can pull any open bug report
[15:57] <nik90> balloons: yup. They can start working on any bug which is not taken
[15:58] <nik90> balloons: I always make sure that the bug reports are up to date
[15:58] <nik90> mhall119: I will send an email as well :)
[15:59] <TToivanen> Hi guys. I successfully built ubuntu touch for the HTC One X back in the day. Now I'm attempting again and did the usual patches etc... But it remains stuck at oem logo. Any idea what could be wrong?
[15:59] <nik90> balloons: I had a question about the autopilot test
[15:59] <nik90> balloons: Is it possible to test the accuracy of the stopwatch time keeping by letting it run for 25-30 seconds? Or should we just put that as a manual test?
[16:00] <nik90> The reason I am bringing this up was because we had some bug reports where the stopwatch time lagged on certain devices. It has been fixed but I dont want it appear again by mistake
[16:18] <bzoltan> does anybody know how to figure out on the phablet  that it is accessible with adb... like, I am a shell script running on the phablet and I want to know if that chap sitting next to me with a PC can see me with adb or not
[16:22] <cdesai> bzoltan: getprop init.svc.adbd
[16:28] <bzoltan> cdesai:  that is on android... I am in the ubuntu chroot
[16:28] <cdesai> bzoltan: right, though if you're using the flipped images you might be able to do that
[16:29] <bzoltan> cdesai: is the flipped image availabe for testing?
[16:29] <cdesai> yep
[16:29]  * bzoltan is running like hell to get it
[16:30]  * bzoltan is running back to cdesai to ask where to get that image from
[16:31]  * cdesai points bzoltan to the maling list, where he can get more info about that and some links
[16:32] <bzoltan> cdesai: thanks... I found the mails
[16:54] <fabry> ciao
[16:54] <fabry> !list
[16:54] <fabry> ok
[16:57]  * ogra_ wonders what !list actually does in a file sharing channel ... i never was in one, but that bot msg always made me wonder
[16:57] <esigolo> !list
[16:58] <doomlord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsrHTxWA3dU
[16:58] <doomlord> ^^^ thats running in emulation on the desktop , not on arm hardware i guess?
[17:01] <popey> ogra_: bots reply with list of warez to share
[17:02] <ogra_> ah
[17:02] <popey> ogra_: apparently we get lots of Italians because somewhere something was published in Italy that IRC is only used for piracy, so people see that and try it ☻
[17:02] <ogra_> LOL
[17:02] <esigolo> is possible to create a virtual machine with ubuntu-touch?
[17:03] <esigolo> I'm forced to use windows 7 to work
[17:03] <ogra_> esigolo, i think there is some work going on to get a qemu emulator working
[17:03] <ogra_> and if it is only for testing your apps oyu should be able to install unity8 in an x86 ubuntu install in a vm
[17:03] <esigolo> ogra_: you know where can i get more information about it?
[17:04] <ogra_> on the mailing list ... or wait until monday, then sergiusens  is back
[17:04] <ogra_> he works with someone from the community who sent the patches for this
[17:05] <esigolo> okay
[17:05] <esigolo> found this also http://askubuntu.com/questions/259338/is-there-an-ubuntu-touch-emulator-or-a-way-to-install-it-in-a-vm
[17:05] <ogra_> it isnt done yet
[17:06] <ogra_> but if it is only for UI stuff an x86 install with unity8 on top and running should be fine
[17:06] <esigolo> thanks
[17:06] <zoopster> doomlord: that's running on the desktop, yes
[17:30] <AskUbuntu> i have a software that works on ubuntu 12.10 desktop. can it work on ubuntu touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/310722
[17:35] <esigolo> do you guys know if it is possible to set a diferent date for one user session only on linux?
[17:56] <dixeflatline> yo
[17:56] <popey> word
[17:56] <dixeflatline> how goes it
[18:00] <popey> tickety boo
[18:01] <dixeflatline> thats good?  haha
[18:02] <dixeflatline> is there a way to increase the notification volume?
[18:06] <mhall119> does anybody else in the UK say "tickety boo", or is it just popey ?
[18:07] <dixeflatline> haha i had to google that
[18:08] <dixeflatline> didnt know that was a saying
[18:14] <popey> mhall119: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzVCahrtaWI
[18:14] <popey> imagine me doing that whenever you hear me say "Tickety Boo"
[18:14] <mhall119> popey: heh
[18:25] <rsalveti> Saviq: mzanetti: bug 1193070
[18:25] <netcurli> mhall119, popey: can either of you help me by confirming this bug and telling me where to report it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5781869/
[18:28] <Saviq> rsalveti, thanks
[18:28] <mhall119> netcurli: confirmed with the sample program you provided
[18:28] <mhall119> but it doesn't happen with other apps
[18:29] <netcurli> the webview seems to have a problem when it is hidden the whole time
[18:29] <mhall119> ah, interesting
[18:29] <mhall119> without the webview, or if you make it visible, it doesn't segfault?
[18:30] <netcurli> yes
[18:30] <netcurli> I have the problem in my podcast client where I have a webview in a page and I get the segfault when I don't open this page
[18:30] <netcurli> and close the app again
[19:14] <davmor2> meh update today seems to of wiped out most of the apps from working on the galaxy nexus, looks like it might be the indicator system at fault, do we know when the apps will update to the new system?
[19:21] <pmcgowan> davmor2, apps are all working for me, what are you seeing
[19:24] <davmor2> pmcgowan: Frequently Used apps is populated, I see camera phone gallery fb browser gmail, installed is blank squares, available for download is populated,  if I search for terminal I get a blank square that doesn't launch anything
[19:24] <pmcgowan> davmor2, it is as you say
[19:24] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:25] <davmor2> pmcgowan: basically if I can't see it in the launcher or in the apps page I can't launch it
[19:25] <pmcgowan> yeah weird
[19:25] <davmor2> pmcgowan: camera isn't working , calendar crashes the phone
[19:25] <pmcgowan> and searching backs out the running apps
[19:25] <pmcgowan> davmor2, camera ok for me
[19:26] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I just get a white page
[19:26] <pmcgowan> bah
[19:27] <davmor2> oh hang on there are some updates
[19:30] <davmor2> nope still the same
[19:32] <davmor2> pmcgowan: also very oddly notes seems to be opening 2 application in the overview page
[19:33] <mhall119> Document Viewer team meeting starting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[19:34] <pmcgowan> davmor2, looking very buggymjust froze for me
[19:35] <davmor2> pmcgowan: Yay!!!! well at least I'm not the only one
[19:58] <kenz_> guyz
[19:58] <kenz_> please let me know how too install ubuntu on to live with walkman
[19:59] <kenz_> quit?
[19:59] <kenz_> any boys here?
[19:59] <morphis> awe: ping
[20:00] <kenz_> cool
[20:00] <kenz_> dude how to root sony live with walkman into ubuntu touc
[20:00] <kenz_> ubuntu touch
[20:01] <popey> kenz_: dont think that's a supported device yet
[20:02] <kenz_> popey
[20:02] <kenz_> its not supported?
[20:02] <kenz_> Popey
[20:02] <kenz_> is that because BSD has not been released to android?
[20:02] <popey> i don't see it on this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:02] <kenz_> i too dint see it
[20:02] <kenz_> wat to do
[20:03] <popey> ask your friendly neighbourhood geek to port for you ☻
[20:03] <kenz_> even the boot screen is not appearing
[20:04] <kenz_> actually by holding down the volume low button and plugin in the usb would keep the phone on flash mode
[20:04] <kenz_> now being into ubuntu its not happening
[20:04] <kenz_> lights change green/blue
[20:04] <kenz_> wat to do
[20:04] <popey> nobody has ported it yet though, so gettin into flashing mode wont help
[20:05] <kenz_> atleast help me tp do start it
[20:05] <kenz_> i will be the ONE ;)
[20:07] <kenz_> ok...in that case i will be tow
[20:07] <kenz_> i will be tow
[20:07] <kenz_> i will check back the space later :)
[20:07] <kenz_> thanks popey
[20:08] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, just to confirm, I should be able to dd the bootimg from recovery to the partition that has the boot label right?
[20:08] <stgraber> ogra_: (just making plans for the upgrader proof of concept)
[20:16] <awe> morphis, we discussed ofono priorities this afternoon.  Our preference would be for you to tackle a bug first, them move on to taking one or more work items
[20:16] <ogra_> stgraber, right ... note that there are as many names for the boot partition as there are for userdata
[20:17] <awe> there's a SMS related bug I'm trying to find that deals with implementing support for SMS error reports that would be a good starting point.
[20:17] <awe> then if that goes OK, USSD support would be a follow-on...
[20:17] <stgraber> ogra_: recovery images are device-specific right?
[20:18] <johnjohn101> will touch work on a nexus 7?  i might be able to get one.
[20:18] <morphis> awe: fine for me
[20:18] <ogra_> stgraber, they contain kernel and initrd, so yes
[20:18] <ogra_> johnjohn101, yes
[20:19] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, good, so won't be a problem if we hardcode the paths in there then ;)
[20:19] <johnjohn101> org_:  is it stable enough to try now? or should I wait until october?
[20:19] <awe> morphis, OK I'll assign you the bug(s)
[20:20] <morphis> awe: ok
[20:20] <lenios_> johnjohn101, you should wait
[20:20] <stgraber> ogra_: oh yeah and that's where we'll have slangasek's partition tables too so yeah, definitely hardware specific so definitely ok to hardcode the path to the various partitions and use that for flashing/updating
[20:20] <ogra_> stgraber, you should be able to pulll the info over from the android system at build time of the recovery
[20:20] <johnjohn101> lenios_:  so mid october when 13.10 is released?
[20:20] <lenios_> maybe
[20:21] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, I expect so, after all they also do boot.img updates from their stuff
[20:21] <ogra_> right
[20:21] <awe> morphis, https://bugs.launchpad.net/phone-app/+bug/1089431
[20:21] <ogra_> the exact naming should be in the updater-script from the system image
[20:22] <morphis> awe: will have a look
[20:22] <awe> ok
[20:23] <morphis> awe: hm, so we're not handling the error rild returns
[20:24] <awe> morphis, I haven't looked at the code in awhile... but that's what sergio seemed to think was the problem
[20:25] <awe> it sounds like the failure code is not passed back correctly to the core ofono code
[20:25] <awe> also, while you're looking at that code, there are a couple of driver functions that have been defined, but don't work
[20:26] <awe> .sca_query, .sca_set
[20:26] <awe> and cgsms_query/set
[20:26] <awe> I didn't look to see whether or not RILD supports these functions, but if it does, it'd be nice to clean these up and make sure they work properly
[20:27] <morphis> for sure
[20:36] <jdstrand> ChickenCutlass: hey, to use --flipped, should I also use -b?
[20:36] <ChickenCutlass> jdstrand, no
[20:36] <jdstrand> ok
[20:36] <jdstrand> thanks
[20:36] <ChickenCutlass> np
[20:37] <jdstrand> ChickenCutlass: you're instructions were quite clear, I was just being too clever in my head :)
[20:37] <jdstrand> your*
[20:57] <mfisch> mhall119: victor asked me if the demo scope was tried on the phone, but I didnt know if that was even possible yet
[20:58] <mhall119> mfisch: we'd have to build it on arm, but it should be possible
[20:58] <mfisch> mhall119: I can build it on arm, but I confess ignorance on running it on a phone
[20:59] <mhall119> mfisch: so the problem right now is that the phablet images don't have searching enabled on the home lens
[20:59] <mfisch> mhall119: ok
[20:59] <mhall119> so even if it was working, there would be no way to try it
[21:00] <mfisch> thats what I was worried about, I'd not seen the scopes running before
[21:00] <mfisch> let me at least make sure it builds
[21:03] <mhall119> they'll run
[21:04] <mhall119> mfisch: sorry, my router had to be rebooted
[21:05] <mhall119> mfisch: so I have multiple scopes running, I just can't use them
[21:05] <mfisch> mhall119: ok, well like I said I'll check that it compiles and doesn't immediately fault
[21:05] <mfisch> mhall119: when that feature is working, please let me know if the scope i wrote works or not
[21:06] <mhall119> mfisch: will do
[21:06] <mhall119> no idea when searching on home will be enabled though
[21:06] <mfisch> okay, I'll let victor know
[21:20] <mhall119> rickspencer3: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/meet-reddgur-ubuntu-touch-aimed-reddit-image-browsing-utility :)
[21:21]  * rickspencer3 looks
[21:21] <rickspencer3> mhall119, looks like they didn't discover press and hold
[21:21] <mhall119> that one took me a while to find too, and quite by accident
[21:23] <rickspencer3> :)
[21:23] <rickspencer3> I was thinking about making the first panel instructions
[21:23] <rickspencer3> some of the jokes make sense without the titles
[22:42] <Minste> I need my phone to be as stable as possible for daily use, but what container type (flipped/unflipped) will you say is the best? I'm running mako.
[22:57] <k1l> hmm, dont know if its stable enough for daily use so far?
[22:59] <dixeflatline> i been using mine for a few days.
[23:00] <dixeflatline> basic but works
[23:01] <Minste> k1l: I have used it for some days, and its stable enough for daily use for me. Tested the flipped last time, and all went good until i ran upgrade. Hereafter I will test everything on my maguro before flashing/install on my mako.
[23:06] <pmcgowan> Minste, the flipped images will become default next week, probably wait until then to switch
[23:07] <Minste> pmcgowan: okay, thanks :)