=== marlinc is now known as marlinc|away [07:07] Morning all === marlinc|away is now known as marlinc === Carlos is now known as Guest28738 === marlinc is now known as marlinc|away [08:24] Morning [08:27] Good morning all, happy Dump the Pump Day and happy World Refugee Day! :-) [08:29] dump the pump!?!? [08:30] wonders if JamesTait does this manually or there's a web scarper for him [08:31] s/ar/ra [08:32] mysql workbench on 13.04 is a bit broken. http://i.imgur.com/QS6pdxd.png [08:32] mungbean, I really should script it, but no, I just check the two web pages myself and pick one that looks interesting. [08:32] any idea what is going on there? [08:32] I have tried a few versions now and all doing the same. [08:32] obligatory xkcd about scripts [08:51] this one, mungbean? http://xkcd.com/974/ [08:56] Learning bzr at the mo, so basically I've created a repo on my local PC using init-repo called python-scripts/trunk [08:57] Decided I want to have a main server that's always on in headoffice to host [08:57] I've installed bzr on there, want to push my initial commits from my local PC to there [08:58] Do I need to init a repo on the remote box, or bzr clone from the remote box from my repo ? [09:18] good morning everyone, === marlinc|away is now known as marlinc [09:59] Morning all [10:12] davmor2: *pokes* [10:14] czajkowski: I got something here for you...../me digs around in his pocket for bit..................................../me produces a PROD! from his pocket [10:15] a prod, umm sure [10:15] * Gary prods davmor2 [10:15] giggity [10:39] cattle prod? [10:50] Who said "Cattle Prod"? https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/347667649204994048/photo/1 === marlinc is now known as marlinc|away [11:14] MartijnVdS: no I'm not that cruel, well not currently anyway, I'll wait till she really annoys me for that :) === marlinc|away is now known as marlinc === dwd is now known as dwdorig === naderp is now known as oberluz [12:20] its funny to see people from this irc channel commenting on reddit with the same names [12:20] seems out of place [12:20] hah [12:22] notice BigRedS_ and directhex there [12:22] mungbean: Reddit names tend to be more.. vulgar [12:23] potato_in_my_anus [12:23] mungbean: that's you? [12:23] no lol [12:23] why's it odd? directhex is my identity on the webs. [12:24] dunno why, i expect reddit to be more anonymous [12:24] directhex: but it's not vulgar and/or offensive! [12:24] mungbean: "back in the day" reddit was just like any other site you need a username for.. [12:24] suddenly by associating it with a known nom-de-plume gives it connections to other sites [12:25] * MartijnVdS dusts off his "5 year club" trophy [12:25] mungbean: I think I know your reddit username though ;) [12:25] i have a lot [12:25] i do have one connected with this irc , yes [12:26] (theyreby negating my argument) but i have 3 others, [12:26] mungbean: you're cationbot! :) [12:26] (not the lack of 'p') [12:27] seems to have only UPPERCASE letters [12:28] mungbean, i never said it was my *only* reddit account [12:28] mungbean, there's also the one i use for posting naked pictures... [12:28] of course, we all have that [12:28] o/ [12:28] I don't [12:28] *doesn't either [12:28] you post naked under yoiur main popey account? :o [12:29] popeydc [12:30] dc stands for? [12:30] dot com [12:30] its what i use when popey is unavailable [12:31] my nickname was in fact popey dot com before it was popey, oddly [12:32] popey, where are these pictures you tempt me with? [12:32] eww [12:33] lol [12:34] i haven't been out in the garden for a couple of weekends and the grass is > 3ft high [12:34] popey: broken link on there to http://uk.linkedin.com/in/popey [12:39] changed some cleartype settings on my laptop and can't reverse them or reset to defaults :( [12:39] turning off is terrible too [12:40] dwatkins: where? [12:42] popey: IT professional, iirc [12:42] dwatkins: no, i mean where is the link? [12:42] oh, on your homepage eluded to above [12:42] the one with the dictionary-like display [12:43] ah [12:43] ta [12:43] welcome :) [12:43] \o/ fixed [12:44] I like your fix, too. [12:44] ☻ [12:45] not sure if unicode circle or some other character [12:45] smiley [12:46] I blame iTerm2 for getting it wrong. [12:46] WFM [12:46] ...or possibly OS X [12:49] it works here, it just looks like a solid dot at most sensible sizes [12:50] 😂 [12:51] ☺ seems to work better because it has an empty fill instead of a solid fill [12:51] the woman behind the ouya has freaky coloured eyes [12:52] interesting, if I copy & paste the character into TextWrangler, it displays correctly as a face. [12:52] * dwatkins unhibernates his Ubuntu vm [12:53] WFM in iterm, just the features are barely perceivable [12:53] 40 quid for another ouya controller [12:53] how much is the device [12:53] 99£? [12:53] popey: PS3 controllers are €60 here [12:54] 😒 [12:54] popey's original smiley looks fine from Ubuntu terminal/ssh/irssi, of course [12:55] http://cl.ly/image/122s3M1V0Y1s it's there, it's just useless at that size :( [12:55] i have small text in this sesh [12:56] ctrl - 2 or 3 times from a normal terminal for irc [12:57] yes mungbean [12:57] http://www.game.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HubArticleView?hubId=214785&articleId=214786&storeId=10151 [12:57] 99 in game [12:57] inc one controller [12:57] oh, they sell them in shiops? [12:57] if i had a proper telly i would get one [12:57] starts selling next week [12:58] only scart in mine [12:58] so I hear [12:58] cool [12:59] at the casual end of gaming [12:59] what video out , only hdmi? [13:00] yes [13:00] not a great selection of launch titles [13:01] the fact that it runs N64 emulator is nice though ☻ [13:04] so it can run standard android market games? [13:04] and if i've bought them on my tablet already? [13:04] not that i can see so far [13:05] unless you get the apk and "side load" (ick) [13:05] no to 1) or 2)? [13:05] or both :( [13:05] same question phrased differently really [13:05] however, it has a micro-usb port [13:05] * popey looks for a cable and adb [13:05] I hate the phrase "side load", but I hear it all the time in relation to iOS [13:05] i hate the phrase [13:06] what is side loading? It was all over the comments for an app I was looking at the other day [13:06] can you browse the regular android market from ouya and install apps? [13:06] http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/358540/how-side-load-apps-ouya-console for anyone not already on this page [13:06] no [13:06] BigRedS_: popping the apk onto the device , bypassing app store [13:07] liek what you do if you wanted to run asus supernote on a non asus tablet [13:07] is this ouya? [13:07] yes [13:07] has anyone released ouyabunu? [13:07] does it run the humble bundle android stuff? [13:07] hah [13:07] ouyabuntu [13:08] that reads like you've just stubbed your toe [13:08] ubuntu port should be pretty easy with libhybris [13:09] the standard android settings screen is somewhat limited [13:09] can't even turn on usb debug it seems [13:09] wat [13:09] how do you develop games for it then? [13:09] oh, no [13:09] i didnt scroll far enough ☻ [13:10] popey, when are you going to release a version of ubuntuphone for the mako? :p [13:10] its already out Gary [13:10] O_O isitwootwhereiwantit [13:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Supported_devices_and_codenames [13:10] the preview anyway [13:10] hmm, how do you make "adb devices" show it? [13:11] its in about device, then tap the jellybean isnt it? [13:11] mungbean: oh. The tone of the comments made it sound like something rather more complex than that. Ta! [13:11] make sure to accept the key [13:11] tapping the versions enables developer mode which enables usb debugging etc [13:11] oh balls, I need a second mako [13:11] a few of the versions unlock different things but i forgot which one does what [13:12] just keep tapping everything in that menu [13:12] hmm [13:13] doesn't seem to do it the same as on my nexus devices [13:13] well probably not [13:13] just wait for someone to make a custom firmware for it? [13:15] Ended up buying that HP Microserver I mentioned yesterday :) [13:15] http://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/F2OfDQWwAuJGNtWh.huge [13:15] i bet J3 is a serial debug port [13:15] by the time you add up the cashback, selling the internal HDD/RAM, it almost costs nothing [13:15] http://forums.ouya.tv/discussion/1380/recovery-mode [13:15] lengthy discussion about it [13:16] yeah confirmed [13:16] RX doesn't work? there will be an empty SMT pad nearby where you solder in a 0 ohm resistor [13:17] i haven't opened it up [13:17] interesting that most of the games that are at launch are made with the free version of unity, rather than the paid version [13:18] where can i buy one for bitcoins? [13:18] wonder if there is a correlation between that and the low quality of tha games [13:18] lol [13:18] the games are low quality? [13:18] but can't you play any android game on it? [13:19] like GTA 3? [13:19] maybe, i see no way to install that [13:19] it has its own storefront, not play store [13:20] and the device doesn't "know" my google account [13:20] what is the deal with the free version of unity? what's the licensing on that? [13:20] most of the games seem modded for ouya, they mention ouya buttons or show a picture of the controller [13:20] or, why does anyone pay for it if there is a free verion? [13:20] there's more features in the pay one [13:20] there's a comparison on their site [13:20] i see [13:21] also, the free one shows a splash screen, which gives it away they used the free one [13:21] yeah [13:21] are these third party games then [13:21] yes [13:21] they're almost all limited [13:21] time limited or number of runs limited [13:21] so you have to pay to continue to play [13:21] lol [13:22] but they're not very good anyway? [13:22] most, yeah [13:22] a few are fun [13:22] there's some usual ones like canabalt [13:23] ..which only lets you play 5 times [13:25] I think I have that on pretty much every device I own. [13:25] ahh, 5 goes per day [13:25] it told me to upgrade or come back tomorrow [13:25] does it do Netflix, Lovefilm or anything similar, though? [13:26] not yet [13:26] well, not figured out how yet [13:27] well, if it officially does Netflix (which shouldn't be difficult, assuming Netflix allow this) that will be a major selling point [13:27] just tried that game [13:27] killed my eyes [13:27] that's the building jumping game right? [13:27] yes [13:27] its like we've gone back to 1984 [13:27] with mars lander on acron electron [13:28] i had that game [13:28] it was really hard [13:28] mungbean: I still have a working BBC Micro ;) [13:28] (in fact, I have two, one's a B+) [13:28] \o/ [13:29] i really like that game [13:29] ah, the starter pack [13:29] I know someone who had one with a dead motherboard, she was busy building a gizmo to convert the original keyboard to PS/2 so she could put an Atom board inside it [13:29] wonder if she finished it [13:29] although I have paid for it at least twice I think [13:29] so ruluctant to pay again on ouya [13:29] well sideload the HiB app then? [13:29] I'm waiting for the DataCentre from RetroClinic to be available again so I can start using the B+ [13:29] http://www.retroclinic.com/acorn/datacentre/datacentre.htm [13:30] i have a acorn a3000 and electron somewhere [13:30] yeah, should do [13:30] you know what HiB reminds me of [13:30] MiB? [13:30] play it again sam? [13:30] you know when they used to send those book club leaflets to schools every few months [13:30] chip club [13:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ChX5s4Qy3Kw [13:31] pc games on ouya via remote control [13:31] ali1234: heh, yes [13:31] and the books rotated each time, but then they had the most popular old ones on the back [13:31] so if you missed it you could get it still [13:32] i got those type-in game books from that [13:32] never managed to type in the whole game [13:32] typed them in regularly from electron user [13:32] my sister reading and me typing [13:33] these were loooooong [13:33] the 6502 assembler ones were fun [13:33] and my nan never understood you have to read exactly what it says like capital letters and punctuation [13:33] lol [13:33] debugging typos took 2x longer than the first pass of typing [13:34] i never had them working perfectly [13:34] ok its drawn the grand prix circuit but where are the cars [13:34] i learned a lot about coding from that [13:36] i remember typing in something from a CPC magazine. It said there was a BASIC compiler inside the ROM and you just needed some machine code to bootstrap it, and make your BASIC run faster as machine code.. [13:36] typed it all in, saved to tape, loaded it, ran it, it asked for a BASIC thing to compile, then spat out a binary on tape [13:36] took ages [13:36] then when you load the resulting machine code you get.. [13:36] "APRIL FOOL!" [13:36] argh [13:37] april fools shold never be more than 10 lines [13:37] lol [13:37] popey: hah! gits [13:37] i remember the acron user one was getting colour on your b/w TV [13:37] hah [13:37] sinclair user did one of them for the zx81 too [13:37] i was about 8, told my dad, he was sceptical [13:38] learned a lesson that day [13:38] typed it out, dad was right [13:39] popey: got a minute for a PM? [13:42] does anyone remember a children's book series about pirates? [13:43] hmm [13:43] mgdm: of course [13:43] there was probably about 20-30 books, each one fairly short, like 20 pages [13:43] popey: OK - 2 mins [13:43] not captain pugwash? [13:43] no. [13:43] and not the one where the kid enters a painting of a pirate ship [13:43] they had a lot of books, 32pages [13:44] this was a continuing story across all the books [13:44] each one ended on a cliff hanger [13:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ouya_software [13:45] but the catch is they were graded for reading level [13:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_Pirate_Stories [13:45] YES [13:45] ☻ [13:45] that's it, nice one popey [13:45] My google skills are strong. [13:46] from the same person as roger red hat et al [13:46] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pirate+children+book+1980 [13:46] ☻ [13:46] i suspected as much [13:46] pics on ebay [13:46] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Stolen-Ship-Griffin-Pirate-Stories-1974-/390609437091?pt=Pre_School_Picture_Books&hash=item5af22301a3 [13:46] that looks familiar [13:47] hmm i recognise the design of the title but not sure about that cover [13:47] "The Breaking of the Chain" that sounds *really* familiar [13:48] ali1234: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway ? [13:48] ali1234: we have lots of streets named after Michiel de Ruyter (who "broke the chain") ;) [13:48] nah this was a literal chain that the pirate had to break... with a magic knife iirc [13:48] but yeah obviously inspired by this event [13:49] ali1234: this was also a literal chain, blocking the harbor [13:49] ali1234: or the river, or whatever [13:49] this was a chain that had chained him to somehting... like a rock on an island where he was stranded after the mean pirates stole his ship or somehting [13:49] ah [13:50] but hey this was like 25 years ago... i could be totally misremembering [13:51] "the griffin" also had a literal griffin in it ... on the cover even iirc [13:51] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Griffin-Pirate-Stories-Breaking-McCullagh/dp/0560005520 [13:51] yup [13:54] oh wow, the pirate books with the silver pirate ship are also by the same person [13:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buccaneers_%28series%29 [13:55] pretty much every book i ever read in infant and primary school was written by this person. crazy [14:05] http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mucjCI7zx7ooUSHjjgCzQiw.jpg dat griffin... [14:09] bodes well for getting my colleagues to turn main lights off in here, as there's a couple of mac users [14:09] strip lighting + mac = glare [14:09] no lighting = relaxed mungbean [14:20] I don't switch on the lights in the morning in the office, as it's much nicer when it's a bit dark [14:35] I like doing that when I have early shifts. letting sunrise happen on its own seems to hurt less than flooding the floor with fluorescent lights [14:36] sunrise is currently at about 5am here, though [14:37] heh, yeah, it doesn't work so well at the moment. but it won't be long :/ [14:38] I wish I lived nearer the equator sometimes, but then I look out the window and see the hills around here. [14:38] WHAT'S UP DUDES! [14:39] THE SKY [14:39] Your capslock key certainly isn't ;) [14:39] \O/ [14:39] it never really gets dark up here this time of year [14:39] i was out at midnight last night and there was still a tinge of blue in the sky [14:39] whereabouts are you, neuro? [14:39] sky starts getting light at about 3-3:30am [14:40] dwatkins: just NE of glasgow [14:40] I'm in Edinburgh [14:40] and it's proper daylight by 6ish [14:40] dusk doesn't really start happening until about 10pmish [14:40] most days I get woken by the sun at 5am [14:40] yeah, it's still warm untii then, too [14:41] my lounge and upstairs bedrooms are south facing [14:41] so you can see the light through the curtains by about 4am [14:41] well, i say south facing [14:41] more like SE-facing [14:42] and of course in six months it'll be equally mental [14:42] I'm considering putting solar panels on my bedroom window, or next to it [14:42] hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [14:42] *breathe* [14:42] hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [14:42] solar panels [14:42] in scotland [14:42] you're a funny guy :) [14:43] you've seen the weather we're having [14:43] it's superb [14:43] it's raining here [14:43] yeah, we get this for like maybe 10-20 days [14:43] a year [14:43] I don't need much power for my phone, anyway [14:43] and in the winter when the sun is out, it's only out for about 15 minutes, then it smegs off again [14:43] I reckon a 20 Watt panel will charge a battery that'll charge at least one phone, if not more. [14:44] *rises* "oh hello everyone, blimey, bit parky today, innit, right, my work here is done, see you tomorrow" *sinks* [14:44] scumbag solar body [14:44] how dare it... oh wait, it's not the sun's fault [14:44] it is, you know [14:45] if it adjusted its gravitational field to permit our orbit to become perfectly circular ... [14:45] and gave us a wee poke to stabilise our rotation ... [14:46] mind you, if our rotational axis was straightened, in this country we'd be screwed [14:46] ...most of the animals would be confused [14:46] we'd end up getting charbroiled [14:52] 18 URLs active, 7436 URLs queued, 160507 URLs checked, runtime 1 hour, 5 minutes [14:52] 20 URLs active, 7447 URLs queued, 160612 URLs checked, runtime 1 hour, 5 minutes [14:52] scumbag linkchecker, where the queued URLs just keep goin' up === marlinc is now known as marlinc|away === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [15:58] AlanBell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Network_Video_Interface_Forum [15:58] AlanBell: did you know about that one? [16:00] a standard to talk to ip cams \o/ :) [16:05] Ah, "Open" to anyone willing to shell out large sums of money. [16:05] still [16:05] multiple vendors using one standard beats having to implement each vendor's custom protocol [16:06] Only if you're allowed to implement that one standard... [16:07] you might have to reverse-engineer it, but (a) it's a web camera, how hard can it be (possibly h.264, too) [16:07] (b) it's what we've been doing to talk to network cams forever [16:10] dwdorig: also http://www.onvif.org/specs/DocMap-2.3.html [16:10] dwdorig: spex! [16:14] byzantine specs, but specs === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life === marlinc|away is now known as marlinc === marlinc is now known as marlinc|away [18:28] Anyone know if an ISP can read mails in a clients maler [18:29] .........Mailer.. [18:29] twager: whoever owns the mailserver can, yes [18:29] if you want safety, the only answer is PGP. [18:30] or S/MIME [18:30] the advantage of S/MIME is more clients support it [18:31] and there's a hierarchy of certificate authorities [18:31] S/MIME? [18:31] the downside is there's a hierarchy of certificate authorities [18:31] Thanks for the info.. [18:31] Azelphur, S/MIME uses a certificate issued by verisign or some such [18:31] I see [18:32] so it's less peer-to-peer [18:33] there have been extensions proposed for GPG-based S/MIME however, but I don't know whether that got standardised at all [18:35] the main issue with pgp/gpg is that it still hasn't become widespread - most clients feature it as an optional extra often developed by a third party [18:45] humans don't appear to want it [18:47] Lotus Notes had a completely integrated public key infrastructure, pretty seamless and solid. Most common request was to ditch the private keys and just have username/password logon and if encryption and signatures were the price to pay then fine [18:48] well fooey [18:49] I still see people describing a .jpg scan of a signature pasted on to a document as being a "digital signature" [18:52] well they're right twice, but still missing the point [18:52] it's both a signature and digital [18:52] but hardly a "digital signature" [19:01] With the previous version of Outlook, people kept asking why I sent "empty emails" [19:01] \o/ PGP/MIME [19:02] joy [19:02] diddledan_: I told them to fix their mail client, still sign my mail [19:03] unfortunately I don't have that luxury - I have to deal with governmental types, so I have to not use gpg [19:03] :( [19:04] Crusader Kings 2 is half off this weekend. I'd be surprised if it's not 75% off for one day between now and monday, though [19:05]