[05:56] morning all [05:57] Maaz, hi [05:57] Howzit Kilos [05:57] hmm... no bloep [06:03] hi psyatw [06:04] hi Kilos [06:32] hi superfly [06:32] Maaz, hi [06:32] * Maaz waves to Kilos [06:32] good morning Kilos [06:32] welcome back [06:32] ty [06:33] Cannot read sound file: [06:33] /usr/share/sounds/bell.ogg [06:33] ive messed up [06:34] Maaz, hi [06:34] Howzit Kilos [06:35] w000t [06:35] * Kilos needs to read lots more before i can give fluxbox a good run [06:36] good day all [06:36] morning Kilos [06:37] get xchat working there and bottom panel is gone sigh [06:37] hi magespawn [06:37] is the file corrupt, missing or are the permissions not correct? [06:38] nope on flux i tried the external sound route and messed up [06:38] lost sound here on unity as well [06:38] can you sort it or is this another install case? [06:39] ive got sound working here again so will get help when i go back to flux [06:41] do you document all that you do? [06:42] lotsa funny name things in there and ticked some wrong ones then lost the panel where you change workspaces. xchat full screen [06:42] im gonna get info from googling [06:46] also on flux i cant find where to see whats on a flash [06:46] but ill get there [06:48] is there not a file manager like dolphin? [06:49] there lotsa stuff [06:49] most i dont know whats what yet [06:50] oh the panel is called a taskbar [06:51] Kilos: fluxbox is actually pretty simple. [06:51] hmm... [06:51] morning superfly [06:51] hiya magespawn [07:28] * mazal loer in [07:29] hi mazal [07:29] jou maaitjie het nie weer terug gekom nie [07:29] hmm [07:29] Wonner hoekom [07:29] ? [07:29] Sal hom bk message wanneer ek kansie kry [07:32] Maybe he is one of those people who don't like irc [07:32] I know many people don't [07:32] i dunno we actually had quiet a chat [07:32] maybe he is sukkeling with unity [07:33] Or it is going better than expected and he don't need help hehehe [07:33] hehe [07:33] Ubuntu do have the knack sometimes to just work [07:33] yeah [07:34] For me 13.04 for example was very good so far. Simply didn't have any issues yet. Apart from the ATI thing [07:35] ah [07:35] It hates ATI lol [07:35] Or ATI hates it [07:36] graphics card? [07:36] Yep [07:36] ya ubuntu seems to prefer nvidia [07:36] I found that out the hard way [07:37] Fortunate for things like imaging [07:41] ATI hates Linux [07:42] ATI and NVIDIA are very competitive over how much they hate Linux [07:44] lol [07:46] so hows tonberryE352 today [07:46] sjoe [07:48] wb magespawn [07:52] weird how weather man says we gonna be 5°c but everything is ice in the morning [07:53] have they changed how thermometers read temps [08:02] good morning [08:02] Maaz: coffee on [08:02] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:03] hi cvharl [08:04] charl, too [08:04] Maaz, coffee please [08:04] Kilos: Sure [08:06] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [08:06] Maaz, ty [08:06] You are welcome Kilos [08:07] mazal, did you document how you got ati working there? [08:08] Is easy Kilos , removed ati card , installed Nvidia card [08:08] lol [08:09] I was in no way in the mood to struggle for days on end just to get the graphics working [08:09] I saw those threads , and no way , don't have the time for all that [08:09] its actually a shame [08:10] Lucky for me I always keep 1 spare of almost everything , and my spare card was nvidia [08:10] lekker [08:10] find some windows okey and swop the ati card for another nvidia card [08:10] Ya we that is so far from shops have learned to keep a spare of most important things cos we can't go and buy new one quick [08:11] ya [08:11] I just need spare wi-fi router still. Have a spare but doesn't have wi-fi [08:12] ah [08:12] I even ordered my new computer with a second hdd , but not connected. Just sitting there lol [08:12] you get wifi there? [08:12] wow [08:12] Internal in my flat I use wi-fi [08:12] For my ps3's [08:12] ah [08:13] So in emergency my pc wil work , but not my ps3's [08:13] I watch cartoons and docies in them using the ps as media server [08:14] ah [08:14] Ish what is that replace thing again ? [08:14] */ps/pc [08:14] Is see my spelling is lekke in the ball again today :-P [08:15] on even , nee man !! [08:15] hehe [08:15] maaz koffie !! Vinnig [08:15] mazal: Sorry... [08:16] Maaz don't be sorry be careful [08:16] mazal: Excuse me? [08:17] Maaz, koffie [08:17] Vra in engels man Kilos [08:17] Maaz, coffee on [08:17] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:21] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [08:21] Maaz, ty [08:21] You are welcome Kilos [08:29] Raak ook elke dag al hoe meer cheeky :-) [08:32] hehe [08:42] heyo [08:43] ohi Vince-0 [08:44] hi Vince-0 [08:48] yaawannn, is it Friday eve yet [08:48] hehe [08:48] and that's not something a Dirtbinite would usually say [08:48] only one day to go [09:10] ai, and that on a three day week [09:11] hahaha [09:12] too much jolling [09:21] hi magespawn [09:21] hi Kilos [09:21] hi Vince-0 [09:21] hi superfly [09:21] hi mazal [09:21] hi charl [09:21] yo charl ey [09:25] hi charl [09:25] haai === Spaceghost is now known as Guest4687 === Guest4687 is now known as Spaceghost [10:30] Afternoon :) [10:30] hi HecticZA wb [10:30] Thx Kilos. :) [10:30] yo winning? [10:30] you [10:31] mazal, ping [10:31] ^^ [10:31] Not really. I have been going through some sites that Maz recommended and I did pick up some more info. I have a couple of questions? [10:32] weel if you got probs ask here and someone will help you [10:32] well [10:32] we are here to help [10:37] I downloaded the LTS and versions. I tried to put 4 on a flash drive via Unetbootin, but my pc does not want to boot with it. I then tried 13.04 on a rewritable dvd. It did boot, but with lots of errors and when it did eventually boot it was basically non responsive and I had to reboot pc. Can I test the size of the dl somewhere? I could not find the checksum on the site, I probably missed it. [10:38] oh my [10:39] can you write the 12.04 to a dvd [10:39] and try install that . you can come online from the live dvd and we can help you with the install [10:39] I will try a bit later. Is it okay to use a rewritable dvd? [10:40] some peeps say they not to good but i dunno [10:40] should be unless its been used over and over i spose [10:40] Okay will see if I can find a normal dvd [10:41] where are you HecticZA [10:41] maybe someone close has a dvd for you [10:41] I'm in a small town called Kirkwood, about 80km from PE [10:41] Kilos: goeie more [10:41] good afternoon everyone === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [10:41] Hi there inetpro . [10:42] hi inetpro [10:42] hi HecticZA [10:42] oh my goodness thats far but we might have someone in the area [10:43] i dont know how windows burns isos to dvd [10:43] inetpro, kan jy hom help bietjie? [10:44] Is there a way I can compare the checksum size? [10:44] Telkom is a bit iffy atm and I have various download sizes [10:44] lets hear from the guys. my iso downloads have all worked first time [10:45] oh my [10:45] i have the dvds here that i downloaded so can put one in and see what size i get [10:48] Okay thx. All my other distros worked okay, but these last 2 have been a problem, but I'm pretty sure it is a Telkom issue. [10:48] i get 832.6 meg for 13.04 [10:50] cant rememeber where i put the 12.04.2 iso [10:50] hmm... [10:50] I also have 1 for 832.6 and others for 550 and 734MB. I did burn the 832.6, but the checksum could still be wrong. [10:51] 734 sounds right [10:51] I will try the LTS version a bit later [10:51] All 3 of those were for the 13.04 version [10:52] oh my [10:52] you need to rev telkom a bit [10:52] hello [10:52] hi kbmonkey [10:53] taking a 15 minute break. yey [10:53] They are busy with updates and have been struggling the last few weeks. [10:53] eish [10:53] the lts should be 733m or a bit above if i remember right [10:54] It is especially the Cape Town ICP that is strugeling, but at times the Rosebank one as well, so everybody is complaining atm [10:54] HecticZA, you should be able to use the md5sum command to compare a .iso if it downloaded correctly [10:54] did you download with a download manager [10:54] hmm... [10:54] My LTS is 693 and yes I did [10:54] * inetpro goes to read the backlogs [10:55] he is still on windows guys [10:55] you get md5sum for windows :) [10:55] Yes kbmonkey , but where do I find the correct size to compare to? [10:56] I have Windows and Linux. I'm running on Peppermint 3 atm on this pc [10:56] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM [10:56] oh then you can do downloads with wget on mint [10:57] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes [10:58] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto [10:58] HecticZA, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ [10:58] there are md5sums on that site [10:58] Thx for all the links. Busy checking them out [10:58] just navigate to the version you want :) [10:59] so from Peppermint you can run `md5sum -c MD5SUMS` from the same directory where your iso and that MD5SUMS file live [11:00] it will warn you of the sums of the files you do not have, by the way [11:00] if he is on peppermint he can wget "link" and wget -c to continue a broken download [11:01] Kilos, is getting too clever! [11:01] i love wget [11:01] havent had one bad iso download with it [11:08] alright, my break is over. bye :/ [11:08] toods kbmonkey [11:08] be good [11:08] Okay it seems my LTS version checksum is correct, but the 13.04 is corrupted [11:08] use the lts [11:08] Thx kbmonkey [11:09] Okay will try it a bit later Kilos. Thx for the feedback :) [11:09] you welcome HecticZA [11:09] keep in touch [11:11] such a schlep when internet messes around hey [11:11] I will. I'm in for the long haul. If I'm not here, it is because I'm busy with something [11:11] Hectic my ou vriend !! [11:11] cool [11:12] So true, but Telkom said most of the issues will be fixed after this weekends updates. Unfortunately they said that in February as well [11:12] Hey MAz :D [11:12] Welcome :-) [11:12] Hoe gaan dit ? [11:12] Dankie man :) [11:12] Goed dankie [11:13] en die rug? [11:13] Baie goed , so 90% reg [11:13] Goed om te hoor :) [11:13] Lus om een aand a race te join , maar ai [11:14] besig besig besig [11:14] Ag almal is nou moeg jong. GT6 moet kom [11:15] HecticZA, where you live ? [11:15] Kirkwood, naby PE [11:15] Plaas dorpie. Meestal Sitrus [11:16] Ish , dis nou jammer , ander het ek jou 'n iso gegee wat klaar alles in het , insluitende media server [11:17] Ek moet eers verder werk , geniet dit hier by ons [11:17] These guys know their stuff ;-) [11:17] Ja wat, maar ek verkies om dinge self te laai op die stadium. Dit maak die learning curve net so bietjie beter. Ek sukkel net met die distros op die oomblik agv Telkom [11:17] Thx en cheers :) [11:18] Cheers guys. Must go. Kilos, I will try the LTS a bit later and come back to you. [11:18] cheers HecticZA good luck [11:19] eish poor guy [11:21] i heard more people are having trouble with telkom [11:22] yeah weird [11:22] my mom phoned them various times and got someone on the phone who told her she's over her "cap" because she downloaded more than 3GB [11:22] my 8ta keeps going [11:22] but she's on uncapped so that's nonsense [11:22] eish [11:22] after 5+ times of phoning she got some person on the line with half a clue [11:22] he said a server went down and since then they are having troubles [11:23] how extremely and utterly incompetent are these people? [11:23] they just slow at the moment because as they say they are upgrading [11:23] bull**** [11:23] can take 6 months to a year they told me [11:23] i mailed them [11:24] 8ta Social [11:24] the incompetence is so immense it's beyond saving [11:24] yip [11:24] also govt dept [11:24] pay peanuts get monkeys [11:24] yeah that too [11:27] dankie vir die lienks inetpro [11:27] lienke [11:27] daai goed [11:30] Kilos: np [11:32] Kilos: lekker om nog 'n plaasmens hier te sien [11:32] ya man baie grand [11:33] en iemand wat moeg is vir die ander OS [11:33] daar is baie van hulle [11:33] ons weet net nie van hulle almal nie [11:33] ons moet miskien bietjie adverteer [11:34] advertise [11:34] everything look wrong today [11:34] advertensies is duur man [11:34] mors van geld [11:34] nee man online goed [11:35] You guys have no idea how many years it took me to try and convince him hehehe [11:35] well done mazal [11:35] mazal: cool [11:35] His a great guy , been racing with him for a long time [11:35] most of our new peeps are word of mouth peeps [11:35] racing what? [11:36] Online racing , I use to race in competitions. Mostly GT5 on PS3 [11:36] haha [11:36] i didnt even know there was such a thing [11:36] Don't laugh oom. Serious bussness that [11:37] Racing wheels , racing seats , pedals. Sim style software [11:37] i thought you had to have handle bars or steering wheel in hand to race [11:37] I had a very nice setup with racing seat and wheel and pedals [11:37] hehe [11:38] business [11:38] There's clubs and leagues and all [11:38] wow [11:38] Yah [11:38] We had club championships whole year round [11:38] And the telkom DO guys frequently have Do gaming leagues [11:38] lol [11:38] new world [11:39] i did it the hard expensive way [11:39] The virtual 24 Hour Le mans is coming up also [11:39] wow [11:39] Guys from all over doing the 24 hour Le Mans virtually. Teams and all and all [11:40] i want an audi turbo diesel for that [11:40] And PD ( GT5 manufacturer ) runs their own league every year [11:40] whew [11:40] And the top few guys in each country get's invited to track days in real life [11:40] Top 3 there get's offered real racing contracts [11:40] great [11:40] And wins a car like the new AMG [11:41] wow [11:41] big bucks that [11:41] There is 3 ex-gt5 boys racing in real life now in various leagues in the world [11:41] amg=mercedes hey [11:41] Yep [11:42] So ya , it's for fun , but also vary serious at the same time hehehe [11:42] One of our SA guys made it through to the top 100 track day in real life event last year [11:42] nice [11:43] Dunno if he actually went and how he did , I quit the "sport" before then [11:43] but kids will be tops with all that stuff [11:43] Nope they don't make it [11:43] oh my [11:43] GT5 is heavily sim style [11:44] The cars and physics is very close to real life [11:44] ah some experience needed [11:44] That's why you need a wheel and pedals and seat to do well [11:44] The small kid's don't do to well on it [11:44] wow [11:45] In our SA community all were senior guys , youngest was something like 23 [11:45] Ya it's not arcade style button bashing [11:45] lol thats a kid to me [11:45] You actually need skill [11:46] And the regulations are very strict as well [11:47] hmm [11:49] closest i got to motor sport on a pc was playing sbk [11:49] hey peeps [11:49] hi ThatGraemeGuy [11:50] all good that side? [11:50] good ty [11:50] not really its winter here [11:50] only summer is really good [11:52] yeah cooling down and sky turning gloomy down here again [11:53] ai! [12:10] ahoy anybody alive ?? [12:11] ya [12:13] i can't believe it i have 179MB of old kernels in my /boot [12:15] what i have 699MB of old kernel sources in my /usr/src this is criminal [12:16] oh no i have 1.1GB of old kernels in /lib/modules [12:16] this is terrible how did ubuntu get this bloated [12:16] please clean up your old kernels [12:16] you can manually uninstall them [12:16] but I agree there should be some script or option [12:16] keep x old kernels [12:16] this should be the default, only last two versions of the kernel [12:17] Bye everyone [12:17] you cannot reasonably expect a new ubuntu user to go and hunt down old kernel versions in a package manager [12:18] anybody know if those sata to ide converters are any good with new drives ?????????????#!@##$@#$!@#%$%^%^& [12:23] tonberryE352: exactly [12:23] tonberryE352: what typically happens is that old versions of the kernel accumulate in /boot and eventually fills up the boot partition [12:23] tonberryE352: the boot partition, by default, not being very large [12:24] and let's face it, there are so frequently new kernel updates, this will happen sooner than later for anyone who keeps their system up to date [12:25] trender: new... ide drives? didn't realise they still sell ide drives [12:26] i suspect new big sata drives will give problems if you convert to IDE [12:26] asking about sata to ide converters [12:26] wait which way around [12:26] sata to the motherboard and ide to the drive? [12:26] that's how i understood it [12:26] ide on the mb sata on the drive [12:26] i suspect old ide motherboard with new sata drives [12:27] ah i see, ok that makes more sense [12:27] methinks he is talking about putting a sata/ide adapter onto an ide socket on the motherboard [12:27] need to know if those sata converters are any good for new sata drives [12:28] i tried ians one on my old p4 with no sata sockets and it worked well [12:28] i hate throwing away money [12:28] I am unsure what the drive size limit is on IDE [12:28] but I doubt 2tb or 3tb would work [12:29] well thats what im trying to do [12:29] i put ians 2tb drive onto my ide pc [12:29] drive size limit? why would there be a limit on the drive size? [12:29] * tonberryE352 shrugs [12:29] systems tend to have limits [12:29] i thought there were terabyte drives in the ide days [12:30] but yeah i never used any of them so i have no clue sorry [12:30] biggest ive seen is 500gB [12:30] google will know more [12:30] I do know some ide to usb converts do not like 2tb drives [12:30] i think IDE drives topped out at about 750GB [12:30] i dont want to buy 100x 3Tb drives and end up with 100 lemons that wont convert to IDE [12:30] but that was a funny pata sata usb thingy [12:30] and that was right at the end of IDE's life [12:31] buy one and check [12:31] seems like the only way [12:32] ah well [12:33] prototyping is expensive [12:33] interesting history lesson on the topic of size limits: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html [12:43] times have changed hey [12:44]