=== Aww is now known as ishanyxy === ishanyxy is now known as Aww [00:12] lol === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [01:50] Am I not a member of ubuntu-sponsors anymore? Could someone please unsubscribe sponsors from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dante/+bug/816153 ? [01:50] Ubuntu bug 816153 in dante (Ubuntu Precise) "dante-server using the wrong libc.so" [Medium,Triaged] [02:16] RAOF: I can re-add you, if you'd like. [02:16] TheMuso: Yes, please. [02:17] RAOF: Done. [02:19] TA [03:00] np [04:20] Good morning [04:25] Good morning pitti! [04:27] hey RAOF, how are you? [04:28] I be fine. [04:29] Albeit a bit cold, because Hobart has finally realised that it's winter. [06:56] good morning [06:58] salut jibel! [07:01] salut didrocks [07:38] good morning desktopers [07:44] hey seb128! [07:46] didrocks, hey! happy summer day [07:46] seb128: happy summer day to you too! :) [07:47] bonjour seb128 [07:47] pitti, salut, ça va ? [07:47] salut pitti! [07:47] seb128: ça va bien ! il ne fait plus chaude \o/ [07:48] "chaud" [07:53] pitti, pareil ici, 19°C [08:01] hallo [08:04] Laney, good morning, happy summer day [08:04] * Laney looks outside [08:04] happy for you, maybe :P [08:04] better the 19°C we have today than the 35°C we had mid-week :p [08:05] Laney, let me fallback to "happy friday" ;-) [08:05] can't go wrong with friday :p [08:05] definitely not [08:05] to be fair it's not cold here, just super cloudy and grey [08:05] could be worse though ... was hearing about the smog in singapore on the news [08:05] hyperair: is it bad? [08:06] ohoho [08:06] hilariously so [08:06] it's much better now though [08:06] PSI's dropped to 168 [08:06] it was 400 earlier [08:06] visibility at ~800 metres or so [08:06] (based on staring out the window and looking at google maps) [08:08] oh 145 now apparently. [08:09] http://www.nea.gov.sg/psi/ [08:10] wow [08:11] it dropped very suddenly. i wonder what happened. [08:11] * hyperair looks for a window [08:11] well this news story was about indonesia sending helicopters up or something [08:11] maybe it's working ... [08:12] oh they're finally doing that? [08:13] * hyperair heard they sent out about 100 firemen who weren't doing anything. [08:14] i wouldn't be surprised if someone paid off some govt officials to stall for time until the wood's done burning so that they don't have to find some other means of clearing their greens. [08:14] heh [08:14] you old cynic [08:15] seb128: have you tried nautilus 3.8 and turning gsd's background plugin back on? [08:15] does not work for me - still black [08:15] Laney, no, on my list for today [08:15] oh :-( [08:15] does it work if nautilus --quit? [08:15] e.g is nautilus breaking it? [08:15] or g-s-d no working? [08:15] did you restart gsd? [08:15] but I can do that cool windows 95 thing where you drag a window over the desktop and get a trail [08:16] restarted the session [08:16] * hyperair lols [08:16] nautilus --quit fixes it yeah [08:16] crap [08:16] ooooh, I know [08:16] doesn't that also happen when nautilus crashes? [08:17] not seen that before [08:17] Bonjours a tous! [08:17] hey Bjoern! [08:17] in 13.04 killing nautilus leaves a black desktop with artifacts [08:17] Laney, g-s-d source, plugins/background/gsd-background-manager.c [08:18] if (nautilus_is_drawing_background (manager) || [08:18] dont_draw_background (manager)) { [08:18] return; [08:18] } [08:18] l192 [08:18] no wait, it's just black now [08:18] you need to drop the nautilus_is_drawing_background() [08:18] maybe it's some transient xorg-edgers thing. [08:18] no [08:18] that's expected [08:18] seb128: the good news is LibreOffice 4.1.0~rc1 build on i386. The bad news is it failed on amd64 ... with a strange error that doesnt happen locally. [08:18] that's what happens when nothing draw on the root win [08:18] let me try that [08:18] seb128: no, i mean i don't get window trails any more. [08:18] got to go out to a doctors appointment in 10 minutes though [08:19] or maybe Im not awake enough to get it ... [08:19] Laney, well it's for sure an issue (maybe not the only one) [08:19] does new gsd drop this? [08:19] new g-s-d drops the plugin [08:19] gnome-shell render the background [08:19] well that'll solve it ... [08:19] unity8 should as well [08:19] but meanwhile... [08:20] waait, does that mean nautilus doesn't draw icons on the desktop any more? [08:20] it does [08:20] it does that [08:20] but it doesn't draw the wallpaper [08:20] only that, not the background [08:20] so it draws icons, but not the wallppaer? [08:20] oh cool [08:20] it puts icons on a rgba win [08:20] but upstream was interested in keeping that functionality though [08:20] so compiz's wallpaper plugin would work [08:20] =O [08:20] don't know where that went [08:20] is there a such plugin? [08:20] yes there is [08:20] Laney, you bet they are :p [08:20] hyperair: where? [08:21] Laney, RHEL7 will ship with classic mode by default [08:21] I don't see it in ccsm [08:21] well, there waxs [08:21] was* [08:21] lemme check [08:21] might not have some extras package installed [08:21] maybe [08:21] we looked for a compiz plugin for wallpaper previous cycle and didn't find one [08:22] http://imgur.com/UUTW1Iv [08:23] dpkg -S wallpaper | grep compiz ? [08:23] compiz-plugins: /usr/lib/compiz/libwallpaper.so [08:23] yes indeed [08:23] Installed: 1:0.9.9~daily13.04.18.1~13.04-0ubuntu1 [08:23] so there we go [08:24] let me see if it works [08:24] if unity renders the background, it would be good to drop or merge that functionality back to avoid nihing too much [08:24] enabling it made compiz crash [08:24] good start [08:24] ugh [08:24] lemme try [08:24] Laney, seems about right for compiz :p [08:24] heh [08:24] that's its way to reload config :p [08:25] still no bg ... [08:25] :-( [08:25] well in any case enabling compiz plugin on upgrade has proved not reliable [08:25] oh, ok [08:25] and I'm not sure it got well tested and include all the GNOME options [08:25] like solid color background, etc [08:25] seems you have to specify it in the compiz configuration, doesn't read from gsettings [08:26] ugh, doesn't handle multihead. [08:26] need to reboot, be back in 30min [08:27] Laney: it works here, but stretches my wallpaper across both heads. [08:27] did it pick up your gnome configured wallpaper? [08:27] nope [08:27] had to add it in via ccsm [08:27] well that's a bit of a problem [08:27] and it's what I said above [08:27] that can be patched, can't it? [08:27] mayhap [08:28] might not be worth the effort though given its future (if gsd's background plugin works) [08:28] http://ubuntuone.com/5WoJAca0zI67a3PtTBAfKk [08:30] heh yeah [08:31] argle, FBO_ATTACHMENT_IS_INCOMPLETE [08:32] better go to this appointment [08:32] back shortly [08:41] sil2100: hey, do you need anything from me? FYI, I'll be away in 30 minutes for ~2 hours [08:42] didrocks: ! [08:42] Hi! [08:42] Let me think quickly ;P [08:44] didrocks: could you quickly ACK some packaging changes for daily-release? Those are mostly the symbols-file mods that have been done last time [08:44] didrocks: let me paste those [08:44] sil2100: excellent! [08:45] Thanks ;) [08:46] thank you! :) [08:58] back [08:59] wb seb128 [08:59] didrocks, thanks [08:59] having fun with Dell support ... they will call me back this afternoon when my computer is in sloooow mode [09:00] I need some heat and cpu use :p [09:00] seb128: want to build a webkit? :p [09:04] didrocks, no, thanks, still debugging gtk ... though that's the n7 there [09:05] unity-greeter build failed yesterday because gtk was displaying the same warning [09:05] so it's a real bug in gtk, not a problem with the test === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:20] charles, chrisccoulson: ping [09:21] sil2100, hey, what do you need from them? [09:22] it's a bit early for charles [09:25] seb128: hi! One of the libdbusmenu unit tests fail for armhf, wanted to get some insight from someone that knows the code [09:26] sil2100, link? [09:28] seb128, ok to cherry pick the 3 icon patches from here https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=gtk-3-8 [09:28] I suspect they will fix a few of the really annoying crashes we are seeing in nautilus and gnome-shell, but can't really verify that [09:28] darkxst, I did cherrypick the most common segfault one earlier in the week [09:29] seb128, the nautilus one? [09:29] darkxst, after verifying it fixes the nautilus segfault [09:29] yes [09:29] the other ones are more intrusive, I would prefer have some upstream testing time before cherrypicking [09:29] ok we are still getting some crashes in gnome-shell though [09:29] the new gtk is in the archive for less than a day [09:29] are you sure you still have issues and people upgraded and restarted their running instance of the shell? [09:30] they maybe still had gnome-shell running from before the update [09:30] sil2100, hello? [09:30] yeh who knows, will leave it a couple of days and see [09:30] we will get the other fixes in anyway [09:31] just give them a few days of upstream testing, as said there are some non trivial changes there [09:34] seb128: oh, sorry! [09:34] One moment :) [09:34] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4733356 [09:38] seb128, sure [09:41] Laney, hum, so that doesn't work, I wonder if there is a stacking there or something [09:41] that? [09:41] the gsd thing? [09:41] yes [09:42] yeah [09:42] I tried to enable the compiz plugin, that works [09:42] but the background goes over nautilus icons [09:48] Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1159430 has quite some details from Adam Dingle on the issue [09:48] Ubuntu bug 1159430 in Ubuntu GNOME "Nautilus 3.7.92 breaks desktop background on Unity" [Low,Confirmed] [09:48] he has a compiz patch on there [09:48] " The code there does check for desktop windows (i.e. of type _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP) and prevents them from being transparent." [09:48] cf comment #15 [09:53] mmm, he's done a fair bit of work there [09:53] yeah [09:54] but I don't like how flaky that is, and how many components it impacts on [09:54] we are up to 5 components to patch, including compiz [09:56] Laney, I'm pondering going with the patch from #21, aka revert the rgba changes [10:01] I found another place in the background plugin [10:01] see 521-ish [10:01] in plugins/background/gsd-background-manager.c [10:06] Laney, I'm asking sam on #ubuntu-unity about compiz [10:08] ** (gnome-settings-daemon:28327): DEBUG: Draw background? no [10:09] getting further [10:12] hrm, gnome-session crashed [10:15] Laney, I got it working [10:15] Laney, by dropping that check as well [10:15] yeah? [10:15] it's all weird here [10:15] Laney, and by changing the nautilus wm hint to not be _DESKTOP (to workaround the compiz issue) [10:16] Laney, Sam is looking at compiz [10:16] 'it' = compiz? [10:16] 'it' being: nautilus 3.8 + gsd to display the background [10:16] aha [10:18] does sam think he can fix compiz for that? [10:18] Laney, so to get there I had to drop the 2 gsd checks, tweak the theme .css with the patch from the bug I pointed, change the nautilus hint to workaround compiz trying to be clever [10:18] enable back the g-s-d plugin [10:18] we are not quite there yet :/ [10:18] Laney, he's looking at it [10:18] and it makes use of a gsd 3.6 only plugin [10:20] mlankhorst: hi! [10:20] well, Sam is looking at making things work with compiz's wallpaper plugin [10:20] g'day [10:20] unity8 will draw the background [10:21] right [10:21] and it's not hard to add the g-s-d plugin back meanwhile, it's not like it was a patch to rebase [10:21] it's just a dir to add back [10:21] mlankhorst: I've been wondering - since the new X + unity needs a call for testing, right? Is that being prepared? [10:21] For all drivers [10:22] erm the drivers are fine, it's the same drivers with a bump to rebuild abi, and opengl doesn't change at all [10:22] So no call for testing is necessary you think? [10:22] anyway, there's a kind of path here [10:22] seb128: care to summarise on the bug? [10:22] indeed, but a newer fglrx is still needed atm [10:23] Laney, will do, I'm pondering patch back nautilus old desktop drawing back meanwhile so we can update to 3.8 [10:23] then we can get compiz, the theme, etc fixed [10:23] and drop the patch when moons are aligned [10:23] mlankhorst: so, are we blocked on something to get this released? [10:24] seb128: is that alright for shell? [10:24] Laney, it's not any different than keeping nautilus 3.6 as from today... [10:27] sil2100: I think tseliot needs to push a newer fglrx, still, but that's about [10:27] it [10:27] mlankhorst: BTW problem solved with fglrx and 3.10 :) [10:28] oh there we go, no blockers then? [10:28] Excellent [10:28] sil2100: what drivers do you need? [10:28] Well, I would still feel a bit better if we had a call for testing though... I'm always worried, even with things that seem to 'not break anything' [10:28] tseliot: we need it in the archive.. [10:29] mlankhorst: ok which one and what version? [10:29] seb128: yeah, true, just thought of that too [10:29] tseliot: whichever works with x1.14 :-) [10:29] so yeah, go ahead in the strong hope that it's not something we keep until the end of unity 7 :-) [10:29] tseliot: I meant it more like "let's have everyone test the new X + unity tested by a wide audience of all drivers to see if nothing got broken" [10:29] ;) [10:30] unity won't break from a new x, it will break from a new mesa.. [10:30] mlankhorst: so, I shouldn't even bother packaging the stable driver without ABI 14 support? [10:30] probably not :-) [10:31] sil2100, mlankhorst: as I can simply upload the latest beta of fglrx with ABI 14 support [10:31] and then update it to stable when that is available [10:32] tseliot: sounds fine with me [10:32] ok then [10:47] tseliot, mlankhorst: so, once fglrx is released, we'll be able to release the new X, yes? Since I need to coordinate the release of the new unity with the new xi [10:48] sil2100: yes, that's correct. Both fglrx and nvidia will work with the new X [10:58] cyphermox: arrgh, you still didn't push your changes to indicators-client? I'll modify those deps myself then [11:27] sil2100, libdbusmenu tests seem to be flacky in trunk [11:29] seb128: I'm waiting for Ted to poke him about this anyway === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === om26er_ is now known as om26er [12:42] * didrocks is ready to build whatever webkit version is needed, 35GB free now \o/ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:51] Laney: have you been following this ext4/glib/dconf data loss saga? [12:51] desrt: not so much, but I see Debian took a revert from walters [12:51] from yesterday [12:51] Laney: probably you should be aware of this. we're reverting commits on master and i'm currently arguing with ted ts'o [12:51] i think ubuntu carries the change, so i recommend that you revert it asap [12:52] which is going to be in the package I'm currently building [12:52] oh. great. [12:52] just the one though - anything else? [12:52] note also: mclasen backported the change into the stable branch (?!?) [12:52] so make sure you didn't SRU it and if you did, SRU a fix [12:53] we only have 2.36.0 [12:53] cool [12:53] i have a sneaky suspicion that it's actually the fallocate() causing the problem, not the lack of fsync() [12:53] how's the argument going? [12:54] ....ted ts'o is.... an interesting individual [12:55] ho hum [12:56] his reply to my request for clarification turned into an impressive rant about an obsessive-compulsively-window-positioning woman who plays tuxracer all the time on proprietary drivers that crash her system [12:56] er, right, I'm sure that helped clarify the problem [12:58] sil2100: hey, coming to the news! :) [12:58] sil2100: so apps in manual publishing mode, is it wanted? [12:58] (and you did look I guess on the other stacks failing?) [12:59] didrocks: yes, [13:00] didrocks: I mean: [13:00] didrocks: apps failed during the check job last time (singular failure) but I re-ran it [13:01] sil2100: ah, it's in manual publishing mode now :) [13:01] didrocks: now I can publish it, thanks for pointing it out! Indicators is failind because of libdbusmenu failing unit test for armhf [13:02] mlankhorst: I think my SPDs are damaging one of my ankles :( [13:02] sil2100: do you think it's a flacky thing? [13:02] One which has previously had surgery and contains metal [13:02] Started to get some weird aching in the last few days and I just realised it's probably because of this [13:02] didrocks: looked like some introspection thing, so I was guessing just something got broken with autopilot [13:03] didrocks: I also poked mlankhorst regarding the new X + unity [13:03] didrocks: he said no call for testing is needed, and once tseliot releases the new fglrx it's all ready for release [13:04] yes, hopefully my uploads will finish soon... [13:04] sil2100, mlankhorst: we told asac and olli we would give them advance warning with a ppa for testing [13:04] so call for testing is needed [13:04] mlankhorst, ^ [13:04] that's not optional [13:04] sil2100: ok, and unity/webcreds failing is under control? [13:04] That's fine with me, since I wanted the call for testing anyway [13:05] mlankhorst, some people are concerned there might be issues with the new xorg stack and didn't want to upgrade at all to avoid taking risks, the tradeoff was that we do another call for testing so please do that [13:05] sil2100, ^ [13:05] sil2100, mlankhorst: thanks ;-) [13:05] didrocks: the unity failure was strange, but I thought that mhr3_ is in the middle of debugging [13:07] sil2100: ok [13:08] Will talk to him in a moment about it [13:09] sil2100, i didn't get a chance to connect to it, our meeting got prolonged [13:09] Uh [13:09] :) [13:09] Ok [13:09] ;p [13:16] Laney, can you push your UNRELEASED->saucy+tag revision to nautilus' vcs? [13:39] sil2100: hum, so what are you doing for Unity? ;) [13:39] and apps? [13:39] seb128: oh yes, that, ok [13:39] seb128: you know that Classic Mode is just GNOME Shell with a lighter gray theme and a few extensions? [13:39] Laney, thanks [13:39] didrocks: ah! I'll publish apps now, I'm busy with trying to unblock parts of webcreds [13:39] jbicha, yes, why? [13:40] sil2100: kenvandine is online, he can maybe help :) [13:40] oh, whoops, I cleared that VCS out this morning [13:40] sil2100: oh, well, if apps can be published without webcreds, sure :) [13:40] sil2100: but I think nothing is preventing just to relaunch unity tests, right? [13:40] didrocks: the packaging changes you ACK? :) http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Apps/job/cu2d-apps-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_webbrowser-app_0.20daily13.06.21-0ubuntu1.diff [13:40] seb128: nothing, just clarifying your earlier comment [13:40] Laney, can you copy back the diff and copy? I would do it by vcs is half merged with jbicha's 3.8 update at this point [13:40] jbicha, what did I say? [13:40] sil2100: I merged it, so yeah ;) [13:41] easily rectified [13:41] done [13:42] seb128: never mind, the conversation was just hard to follow at that point [13:42] jbicha, alright [13:43] jbicha, in any case I'm going to upload nautilus 3.8 with the background changes reverted today [13:43] sil2100, ah... do you know what is blocking webcred? [13:43] jbicha, sam has a fix for compiz already, so once we get that merged and in the archive we can drop the patch again and use g-s-d [13:43] kenvandine: libsignon-glib is failing because of the linking issue [13:43] sil2100, i haven't looked yet... but so much is failing to build it must be somewhere else [13:43] kenvandine: there's also one package that's failing because of an unit test on armhf [13:44] yesterday they were all failing on armhf because of held packages [13:44] gvfs or something [13:44] kenvandine, hey, the gtk arch mismatch is resolved [13:44] seb128, great [13:44] so today they are real failures :/ [13:44] kenvandine, hey btw, happy friday ;-) [13:45] kenvandine: it's an unit test failure, so I doubt it would be related ;) [13:45] but that test failure was because of a genuine bug [13:45] kenvandine, do you think you have some spare slot to review Laney's background plugin today? would be good to get that in [13:45] seb128, yes... i will do it right now :) [13:46] seb128: but stacks being green is a priority! stealer of kenvandine's time :p [13:46] seb128: Arch has a gnome-settings-daemon-compat package they pieced together from abandoned bits of g-s-d [13:46] https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/gnome-settings-daemon-compat [13:46] it was mentioned on https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-flashback-list/2013-April/msg00001.html [13:47] yeah... i spent like half my day reviewing branches yesterday... and never got back to finishing laney's [13:47] sorry Laney, let me knock that out before i get distracted again [13:47] jbicha, I will just go for the easiest way and patch that back in g-s-d to start [13:47] /o\ [13:47] np [13:47] jbicha, unity will take over rendering the background at some point anyway [13:47] jbicha, so I don't plan to invest effort in packaging code that will go away [13:48] yeah, Unity or Compiz handling it would be best [13:48] it would still be an issue for those trying to use Flashback with Metacity but there's like no developers supporting that currently [13:50] stgraber: highvoltage: you're aware of the wallpaper difficulties, right? ^ [13:52] sil2100: seb128: call for testing: please CC olli and kgunn directly in your call [13:52] jbicha, well, the first step solution with g-s-d should make it a no issue for most flavors [13:52] asac, ok [13:52] (and get their explicit ack :) ...) [13:52] thx [13:52] jbicha: I remember reading about it but haven't checked it out yet [13:53] asac: ACK [13:53] asac, yw, oh and enjoy your holidays! [13:54] thanks!! [13:59] huh ? didnt you just have a month off ? [14:00] Laney, is your recent nautilus fix needed for 3.8? [14:00] it's a different patch [14:00] I posted it to the upstream bug [14:00] Laney, do you have it somewhere? [14:00]