[04:58] <Guest22544> hello does anybody knows when we will have gnome 3.8
[04:59] <Guest22544> on ubuntu?
[05:07] <Guest22544> yes
[05:34] <ikevin> hi
[05:34] <ikevin> anyone is here?
[05:46] <back_> ikevin, somebody is here but who :D
[07:00] <ikevin> im here
[07:00] <ikevin> hahah
[10:28] <tbvr> any one have any screenshots?
[10:28] <tbvr> <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/">test</a>
[12:32] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[12:33] <ricotz> darkxst, do not  simplycopy the saucy package of gtk+3.0 to raring
[12:38] <ricotz> darkxst, to be more precise, it would need glib 2.37.x and will break the appmenus
[16:36] <MrGrymReaper> You currently provide ubuntu gnome in 12.10 and 13.04 version. I was wondering why there isn't a 12.04 LTS flavour or why one couldn't be done for the next LTS release?
[16:37] <SonikkuAmerica> MrGrymReaper: (a) 12.10 is really an unofficial remix; 12.04 never really existed; (b) 14.04 will be the next LTS (as per the LTS release schedule).
[16:40] <MrGrymReaper> Is it possible for an LTS remix to be included so that people wishing to use Ubuntu but prefer gnome while having long term support.
[16:41] <jbicha> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 probalby will not be supported for 5 years though
[16:41] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: ... are we going to follow the Xubuntu plan then (3 years)?
[16:41] <SonikkuAmerica> MrGrymReaper: Nope. However, you can install gnome-shell in Ubuntu (with Unity)
[16:41] <jbicha> that's not my decision but 3 years is at least closer to reasonable
[16:42] <jbicha> nobody here really runs 12.04 LTS and we haven't really bothered backporting fixes there for a while so even 3 years may be too long
[16:44] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: I'd prefer some sort of LTS... especially since if Canonical gets a lot of backlash for the Mir interface we can be as plausible as the other !flavors if they wind up dropping Ubuntu.
[16:44] <MrGrymReaper> The 12.04 release enables the use of Steam amongst other software. Steam has recently come to linux.It currently can only be installed properly under ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
[16:45] <jbicha> MrGrymReaper: any newer version of Ubuntu works with steam too
[16:45] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: Were the Steam PPA issues fixed then?
[16:47] <jbicha> uh, no PPA needed http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[16:49] <jbicha> yes, a 14.04 LTS would be nice but "LTS" is a promise of support so we'll have to look at our QA and developer resources to see what kind of committment we can make
[16:51] <jbicha> speaking of LTS, it sounds like RHEL 7 will be using GNOME 3.8
[16:52] <jbicha> if that's true that might be good reason to keep 3.8 for 14.04 too
[16:53] <SonikkuAmerica> The awkward moment when your flavor's DE pushes out its stable release the day after the RC freeze
[16:53] <jbicha> on the other hand, GNOME themselves don't really do LTS releases yet so 3.8 isn't necessarily any more stable than 3.10 would be
[16:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Isn't GNOME pushing to be its own OS?
[16:55] <jbicha> not exactly, "GNOME OS" wasn't a great naming choice
[16:56] <jbicha> they are trying to identify all the pieces of their platform (including low-level components) that are part of a given GNOME release
[16:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Maybe "Gnomos?" (GNU Network Object Model OS)
[16:57] <jbicha> there's more work being done on all levels to make the integration stronger so that users get a better experience
[16:58] <jbicha> and they want to have an easily downloadable image for developers so that they can build and test against GNOME
[16:58] <atrus> it's pretty clear that they're getting more and more attached to wayland and systemd...
[16:59] <atrus> and it seems like every distro that's moving is moving towards those, except ubuntu :/
[16:59] <jbicha> sure, wayland and systemd offer possibilities for a better user experience than sysvinit or X
[17:00] <atrus> and upstart.
[17:00] <atrus> is the plan from ubuntu-gnome to use wayland and systemd?
[17:00] <SonikkuAmerica> I think so...? I looked @ the mailing list
[17:00] <jbicha> Ubuntu 13.04 includes pieces of systemd and my uneducated estimate is that 13.10 includes half of systemd (logind, timedated, localed, & hostnamed)
[17:01] <SonikkuAmerica> atrus: We're the only flavor that doesn't depend on lightdm
[17:01] <jbicha> the Ubuntu Foundations Team will not support systemd as init to completely replace upstart but we already ship enough of sytsemd to get nearly everything GNOME offers
[17:03] <atrus> what's the situation with wayland?
[17:03] <SonikkuAmerica> AFAIK we just start GDM, and it runs Wayland...
[17:03] <jbicha> wayland is already in the Ubuntu archives but since 3.10 will support X or Wayland we'll probably keep with X until after 14.04
[17:03] <jbicha> that's a guess and not my decision either :)
[17:05] <atrus> interesting. thanks :)
[17:42] <driff> hi
[17:42] <driff> any1 there?
[21:55] <darkxst> jbicha, re alpha1 ok.
[21:56] <darkxst> I suppose we need to notify release team that we are opting in?
[22:59] <jbicha> darkxst: yup
[22:59] <jbicha> I'm happy the new GNOME Classic is working as of today in Saucy, and seb128 uploaded nautilus 3.8 too
[23:00] <darkxst> nice ;)
[23:00] <jbicha> what do you think of nautilus-classic?
[23:03] <jbicha> it's nautilus with desktop icons forced on, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/695088
[23:04] <jbicha> I removed nautilus-classic from RequiredComponents for gnome-shell-extensions and gnome-panel and I'm not so sure I should disable the patch
[23:05] <darkxst> I hate desktop icons, however I know lots of people want them for whatever reason
[23:07] <jbicha> well like I said on the bug, it's broken that nautilus-classic doesn't allow opting-out of showing desktop icons
[23:08] <darkxst> yup, that needs to be fixed
[23:10] <darkxst> anyways I'm off for the weekend
[23:12] <jbicha> have fun
[23:28] <darkxst> will do, likely to be really cold but otherwise fun!
[23:32] <jbicha> come visit South Carolina, we're warm this time of year :)
[23:42] <darkxst> I suspect anywhere is warmer than here atm. it was 2 degrees the other night when I went out riding!