=== aciremAukkinoS is now known as SonikkuAmerica === wolf is now known as Guest22544 [04:58] hello does anybody knows when we will have gnome 3.8 [04:59] on ubuntu? [05:07] yes [05:34] hi [05:34] anyone is here? [05:46] ikevin, somebody is here but who :D [07:00] im here [07:00] hahah === epzil0n is now known as Guest56225 [10:28] any one have any screenshots? [10:28] test [12:32] darkxst, hi [12:33] darkxst, do not simplycopy the saucy package of gtk+3.0 to raring [12:38] darkxst, to be more precise, it would need glib 2.37.x and will break the appmenus [16:36] You currently provide ubuntu gnome in 12.10 and 13.04 version. I was wondering why there isn't a 12.04 LTS flavour or why one couldn't be done for the next LTS release? [16:37] MrGrymReaper: (a) 12.10 is really an unofficial remix; 12.04 never really existed; (b) 14.04 will be the next LTS (as per the LTS release schedule). [16:40] Is it possible for an LTS remix to be included so that people wishing to use Ubuntu but prefer gnome while having long term support. [16:41] Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 probalby will not be supported for 5 years though [16:41] jbicha: ... are we going to follow the Xubuntu plan then (3 years)? [16:41] MrGrymReaper: Nope. However, you can install gnome-shell in Ubuntu (with Unity) [16:41] that's not my decision but 3 years is at least closer to reasonable [16:42] nobody here really runs 12.04 LTS and we haven't really bothered backporting fixes there for a while so even 3 years may be too long [16:44] jbicha: I'd prefer some sort of LTS... especially since if Canonical gets a lot of backlash for the Mir interface we can be as plausible as the other !flavors if they wind up dropping Ubuntu. [16:44] The 12.04 release enables the use of Steam amongst other software. Steam has recently come to linux.It currently can only be installed properly under ubuntu 12.04 LTS. [16:45] MrGrymReaper: any newer version of Ubuntu works with steam too [16:45] jbicha: Were the Steam PPA issues fixed then? [16:47] uh, no PPA needed http://store.steampowered.com/about/ [16:49] yes, a 14.04 LTS would be nice but "LTS" is a promise of support so we'll have to look at our QA and developer resources to see what kind of committment we can make [16:51] speaking of LTS, it sounds like RHEL 7 will be using GNOME 3.8 [16:52] if that's true that might be good reason to keep 3.8 for 14.04 too [16:53] The awkward moment when your flavor's DE pushes out its stable release the day after the RC freeze [16:53] on the other hand, GNOME themselves don't really do LTS releases yet so 3.8 isn't necessarily any more stable than 3.10 would be [16:54] Isn't GNOME pushing to be its own OS? [16:55] not exactly, "GNOME OS" wasn't a great naming choice [16:56] they are trying to identify all the pieces of their platform (including low-level components) that are part of a given GNOME release [16:57] Maybe "Gnomos?" (GNU Network Object Model OS) [16:57] there's more work being done on all levels to make the integration stronger so that users get a better experience [16:58] and they want to have an easily downloadable image for developers so that they can build and test against GNOME [16:58] it's pretty clear that they're getting more and more attached to wayland and systemd... [16:59] and it seems like every distro that's moving is moving towards those, except ubuntu :/ [16:59] sure, wayland and systemd offer possibilities for a better user experience than sysvinit or X [17:00] and upstart. [17:00] is the plan from ubuntu-gnome to use wayland and systemd? [17:00] I think so...? I looked @ the mailing list [17:00] Ubuntu 13.04 includes pieces of systemd and my uneducated estimate is that 13.10 includes half of systemd (logind, timedated, localed, & hostnamed) [17:01] atrus: We're the only flavor that doesn't depend on lightdm [17:01] the Ubuntu Foundations Team will not support systemd as init to completely replace upstart but we already ship enough of sytsemd to get nearly everything GNOME offers [17:03] what's the situation with wayland? [17:03] AFAIK we just start GDM, and it runs Wayland... [17:03] wayland is already in the Ubuntu archives but since 3.10 will support X or Wayland we'll probably keep with X until after 14.04 [17:03] that's a guess and not my decision either :) [17:05] interesting. thanks :) [17:42] hi [17:42] any1 there? === roasted_ is now known as roasted [21:55] jbicha, re alpha1 ok. [21:56] I suppose we need to notify release team that we are opting in? [22:59] darkxst: yup [22:59] I'm happy the new GNOME Classic is working as of today in Saucy, and seb128 uploaded nautilus 3.8 too [23:00] nice ;) [23:00] what do you think of nautilus-classic? [23:03] it's nautilus with desktop icons forced on, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/695088 [23:03] Gnome bug 695088 in Desktop "GNOME Classic forces desktop icons" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [23:04] I removed nautilus-classic from RequiredComponents for gnome-shell-extensions and gnome-panel and I'm not so sure I should disable the patch [23:05] I hate desktop icons, however I know lots of people want them for whatever reason [23:07] well like I said on the bug, it's broken that nautilus-classic doesn't allow opting-out of showing desktop icons [23:08] yup, that needs to be fixed [23:10] anyways I'm off for the weekend [23:12] have fun [23:28] will do, likely to be really cold but otherwise fun! [23:32] come visit South Carolina, we're warm this time of year :) [23:42] I suspect anywhere is warmer than here atm. it was 2 degrees the other night when I went out riding!