[00:32] <k1l> Skymont: i told you several times (and other users) that the financial situation of caninical is not a topic for the #ubuntu channel
[00:32] <Skymont> hello, i would like the actions of a Ubuntu channel op reviewed, who is in charge?
[00:33] <k1l> since you didnt follow the advice to stop asking in #ubuntu and switch to #ubuntu-offtopic i kicked you to keep the channel clear for techincal support.
[00:33] <k1l> do you agree on that behaviour which follows the !guidelines ?
[00:34] <k1l> !guidelines
[00:34] <Skymont> k1l, then you should clearly put "For Technical Support Only" on the channel topic and not just general support
[00:34] <IdleOne> The topic doesn't say anything about general support
[00:34] <IdleOne> it does say Official Ubuntu Support Channel |
[00:34] <Skymont> k1l, no where on the topic does it say technical
[00:34] <k1l> Skymont: the question is: why didnt you follow the advices given to you by several users, to switch the channel?
[00:35] <IdleOne> so Canonical and their finances have nothing to do with the channel
[00:35] <IdleOne> anything else you needed cleared up?
[00:36] <Skymont> yes, who is in charge
[00:36] <IdleOne> the ircc is, if you followed the link that ubottu sent you about appeals you can get the info
[00:38] <IdleOne> you will notice the first step was to come to this channel and try speaking with the channel ops, which you have done, next step if you are not satisfied with the results is to contact the IRCC.
[00:38] <Skymont> i would like the actions of abusing op privileges reviewed
[00:39] <k1l> Skymont: i tried to tell you, that it wasnt abusing when you were acting against the channel rules.
[00:39] <IdleOne> k1l: did not abuse his power, he warned kindly and pointed you to the appropriate channel, but you are free to email the IRCC and explain your side and they will review and contact you if necessary.
[00:40] <Skymont> IdleOne, who gave you ops
[00:40] <IdleOne> the IRCC did
[00:40] <k1l> Skymont: if you stay on your opinion, that it was abusing you are free to take the next steps mentioned in the appeals factoid
[00:40] <Skymont> for all i know you are just a typical irc user
[00:40] <IdleOne> I am.
[00:40] <IdleOne> But I am also a Ubuntu op
[00:42] <IdleOne> Was there anything else?
[00:43] <Skymont> how can i get into contact with UbuntuIrcCouncil
[00:43] <IdleOne> !appeals
[00:44] <IdleOne> click the link in that factoid, the email address is on that page
[00:44] <Skymont> that is not what i asked
[00:45] <Flannel> Skymont: Hi.  You can contact the IRC council on IRC by joining #ubuntu-irc-council.  This is in that link, which is a handy reference in case you want to use another method.
[00:57] <Skymont> IdleOne, in your mind is it possible for a channel op to make a mistake?
[01:01] <IdleOne> absolutely
[01:01] <IdleOne> I do it all the time
[01:01] <IdleOne> This is why we have many channel ops and the IRCC to keep ourself in check as much as possible
[01:01] <IdleOne> ourselves*
[01:02] <Skymont> so how can i get Ubuntu support if i am quieted on the Ubuntu support channel
[01:03] <Flannel> Skymont: You need to get unquieted/unbanned before you can do so.
[01:03] <Skymont> IdleOne, be honest, if i send an email to the address you provided will it just send to to the people who are already on this channel?
[01:04] <Skymont> it*
[01:06] <Flannel> Skymont: It sends it to the people who are on the IRC Council.  Some of whom are in this channel (but not all of whom are).  It's also a formality.  However, if you already brought it up in the IRC Council channel, the email is superfluous (but feel free to lodge an appeal both methods).
[01:06] <Skymont> where is the new Canonical channel?
[01:07] <Flannel> Skymont: However, lodging an appeal is *not* the way to go about resolving/removing your ban.  That's working with operators in here, and will likely happen on a much shorter time table.  They're two separate things.  Review of operators behaviors (there/email) and review of your behaviors (here).
[01:12] <Skymont> well, on the Ubuntu channel there is no way of knowing who is an official support person or just a typical IRC user and on the Ubuntu channel topic there is nothing that states is it only a technical support channel
[01:12] <Skymont> is just says support
[01:12] <Skymont> thus, it is not far fetched to believe that the Ubuntu channel is support for all questions regarding Ubuntu
[01:14] <Flannel> Skymont: While that may or may not be accurate, you were asked to take your comments to another channel, and yet you continued.
[01:15] <elky> did everyone in here get PM'd?
[01:15] <Skymont> my question was regarding Ubuntu, and i thought it was just typical IRC user trying to make fun of me
[01:17] <Flannel> Skymont: well, it was explained to you.  And it is in the topic, just requires you to read the links.  Also, people in #ubuntu won't make fun of you (they'll be banned if they do, yadda yadda).
[01:18] <Skymont> on the topic it does not say channel is only for technical support questions
[01:19] <Flannel> Skymont: it does if you read.  But regardless, now you know.  #ubuntu is only for technical support.  #ubuntu-offtopic is for non-technical support questions.  Also, if someone asks you to do something reasonable, it's a good chance that they're correct (regardless of whether they're an operator)
[01:20] <Flannel> Skymont: I've removed your quiet in #ubuntu, but I think you're question probably belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic anyway.
[01:20] <Skymont> okay thanks
[01:27] <IdleOne> Skymont: now that this is resolved, please part this channel.
[01:50] <j4jackj> you know, if someone has an unaffiliated thing that they want to someday become a semi-official audio version of say -offtopic, are they allowed to say with the disclaimer 'I am NOT affiliated with the guys behind all this'?
[01:52] <j4jackj> if no, why? if yes, why?
[01:53] <bazhang> j4jackj, did you paste this in an ubuntu channel?
[01:54] <j4jackj> long story
[01:54] <j4jackj> ban me if you want.
[01:54] <bazhang> how many times, and were you asked to stop
[01:54] <j4jackj> 1ce
[01:54] <j4jackj> and depending on interpretation yes
[01:58] <j4jackj> ?
[01:58] <bazhang> reports disagree with what you say
[01:58] <j4jackj> 2ce then.
[01:59] <j4jackj> how?
[01:59] <bazhang> sounds like 5 times is closer
[02:00] <j4jackj> maybe i subtly implied it 5 times, but i never notice myself being subtle.
[02:02] <bazhang> j4jackj, was there anything else? you repeatedly paste something after being asked to stop, and are quieted or banned, anything else to discuss here?
  and are quieted or banned: was never either.
[02:02] <j4jackj> was asked to stop but not banned
[02:03] <bazhang> ok
[02:03] <bazhang> so dont paste it again
[02:03] <j4jackj> in fact, find out a way to force me to type an answer to something before it posts.
[02:04] <j4jackj> so why is the offence an offence?
[02:11] <j4jackj> so why is the offence an offence?
[05:38] <j4jackj> there was no reason for the ban in offtopic
[05:39] <Flannel> j4jackj: it's not a ban, it's a ten minute quiet, so I can have your attention in the query.
[15:06] <ryanakca> Could someone on IRCC please ask freenode-staff to forward #kubuntu-testers to #kubuntu-devel? (If there's no need for such a request to come from IRCC, I can do so myself)
[15:09] <AlanBell> hi ryanakca,we can probably sort that out (I thought it was sorted already)
[16:59] <ikonia> hello j4jackj
[16:59] <ikonia> is there something I explained to you in pm between you flooding me that was not clear ?
[16:59] <j4jackj> I hereby escalate my gripe with -offtopic.
[16:59] <IdleOne> j4jackj: Why would you flood the op who is trying to help you?
[17:00] <j4jackj> Because he is not.
[17:00] <ikonia> j4jackj: I'll make it clear in the logged channel for you so there is no confusion
[17:01] <j4jackj> no
[17:01] <ikonia> j4jackj: 1.) you where asked earlier by flannel to control your content in #ubuntu-offtopic and your quiet was removed
[17:01] <ikonia> 2.) you have just been spewing nonsense chars in #ubuntu-offtopic again - I muted you
[17:01] <IdleOne> strange because we have two separate ops who both are saying that while in PM with you, you were less the receptive to the instructions on how to properly behave.
[17:01] <ikonia> 3.) I explained why I muted you
[17:01] <j4jackj> (that was yesterday)
[17:01] <ikonia> 4.) you then flood me
[17:01] <ikonia> 5.) you try to make rude gestures
[17:01] <ikonia> 6.) you had a bad history in #ubuntu channels
[17:02] <ikonia> so the fact is - you're now banned
[17:02] <ikonia> hopefully that's clear fo you
[17:02] <j4jackj> jhnpjk
[17:02] <ikonia> for you
[17:02] <j4jackj> sg
[17:02] <j4jackj> npj
[17:02] <j4jackj> njn
[17:02] <IdleOne> that is exactly the way to not get your ban removed.
[17:04] <ikonia> @mark
[17:04] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops j4jackj now flooding me again in pm - ignoring
 its the same steps whether I get it from the website or another place
[18:39] <bazhang> cough pirated cough
[18:42] <bazhang> the name even says "cracked" in it! hilarious!
[18:42] <bazhang> that parrot is dead
[18:42] <bazhang> it's just sleeping!
[18:43] <Pici> wow
[18:44] <bazhang> well I pm'd him, but a beat too late
[18:54] <DJones> Well, if it wasn't cracked and pirated software, they'd have joined here to explain it rather than just rejoining via webchat with a different nick asking the same question
[18:57] <DJones> From #freenode 19:56 < Guest58042> how does one get removed from a channel ban? (same ident)
[18:57] <Pici> inc
[18:57] <DJones> yup
[18:58] <ikonia> hello Guest58042
[18:59] <Guest58042> sup
[18:59] <ikonia> I assume you want to talk about having your ban removed
[19:00] <ikonia> Guest58042: correct ?
[19:01] <Guest58042> Nope, I'll do it on my own. Just coming here to see who's what
[19:01] <ikonia> Guest58042: ok, then please part the channel
[19:01] <Guest58042> I'm comfortable here, thank you.
[19:02] <Guest58042> You don't want to take the time to listen, so whats the point of talking?
[19:02] <ikonia> you've just said you dont' want to discuss it
[19:02] <ikonia> so then please leave the channel, as the /topic says we have no idle policy
[19:03] <Guest58042> I'm not idle, I'm reading the channel, learning :)
[19:11] <bazhang> and erek still wants support for natty
[20:01] <CaseyA> Can I be shown the list of rules for your channels?
[20:04] <CaseyA> Anyone?
[20:04] <LjL> !guidelines
[20:04] <LjL> !etiquette
[20:04] <CaseyA> I have read those, but cannot find anything that highlights what can and cannot be discused.
[20:04] <DJones> CaseyA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines That link is given to you in the channel topic
[20:05] <DJones> It specifically mentions illegal activities
[20:05] <Unit193> !o4o
[20:06] <CaseyA> Who said anything about illegal activities? But since we are on that subject, can you shed some light on that?
[20:06] <CaseyA> define illegal activities, please.
[20:07] <DJones> Piracy is covered in Illegal activies
[20:07] <CaseyA> again, thats very vague. What are you meaning is Piracy?
[20:08] <CaseyA> by*
[20:08] <DJones> CaseyA: You are well aware what I'm talking about, you were banned from #ubuntu for refusing to stop asking for support with cracked windows software
[20:09] <CaseyA> first off, Thats not what I was here to talk about. Second off, it was not windows software, it was Linux. I was having an issue reading an error message.
[20:10] <CaseyA> I'm here because if you're going to accuse me of something, then I have the right to defend myself and what I'm being charged for. Not for you to accuse me of something and then ban me from a channel I use daily for help.
[20:12] <CaseyA> So I'd like to understand your rules and what lead you to your quick-draw conclusion.
[20:14] <CaseyA> Well?
[20:17] <DJones> As your paste showed http://paste.ubuntu.com/5787579/ The filename even says 'Cracked' in the filename
[20:18] <CaseyA> So what you're telling me, is anything with the word 'Cracked' is deemed illegal even though you have no real idea or evidence what it is I am trying to do?
[20:19] <CaseyA> That you're assuming that what I am doing is illegal?
[20:20] <CaseyA> So if the next person was to come around and ask for help with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5787623/ it wouldnt be deemed illegal?
[20:20] <CaseyA> Because that's what you just said.
[20:22] <DJones> Well, how about explaining where the file came from?
[20:22] <CaseyA> the internet.
[20:27] <IdleOne> Just because an application is made for linux does not mean it is free to use or distribute. that filename is reason enough for us to believe that it is illegal and that you did not pay for the right to use that software. We do not support or help people with pirated software.
[20:28] <IdleOne> As for what others may or may not ask in the future, we will deal with that in the future.
[20:29] <CaseyA> Which part of that file name (which can be named anything such as "this is elite haxorx file corporate will downinate pirate illegal.tar") was considered illegal?
[20:30] <IdleOne> there is no need to crack software if it is free to use
[20:30] <IdleOne> also, if the software is not in the official ubuntu repositories it is not supported.
[20:30] <AlanBell> so even if that was a legit download (which it quite clearly isn't) it isn't software we support
[20:30] <CaseyA> Again, you can always get a free verion of this program from their website. Its a 30-day trial. Which is this.
[20:31] <CaseyA> Did I ask anyone to support the software? I simply asked what does this error mean.
[20:31] <IdleOne> So get the free version from the website and seek support from them for it
[20:31] <CaseyA> I am new to ubuntu and cannot get this software to install, from any source.
[20:31] <CaseyA> Support is not given for their trial versions.
[20:31] <AlanBell> so, if you were to provide a link to the legit 30 day trial, I could perhaps download it and check that it is extractable and try to reproduce the issue
[20:31] <AlanBell> but you didn't do that
[20:32] <IdleOne> if the software is not in the official ubuntu repositories it is not supported.
[20:32] <CaseyA> AlanBell: No instead I was told they already did it and that I am lying, then banned.
[20:32] <k1l_> CaseyA: that software mentioned in the pastebin is a software you have to buy a licence for. when a filename  is mentioned which clearly relates to a cracked version which was not intended by the distributor there is no other explanaition other that that is a n illegal software
[20:32] <IdleOne> you might try asking in some other linux support channel.
[20:33] <CaseyA> So you still havent proven why I am banned.
[20:33] <IdleOne> I suspect they will also refuse to help you with illegally obtained software
[20:33] <CaseyA> You would like a link to their trial?
[20:33] <IdleOne> You are banned because you were told that it wasn't supported and asked to stop asking for support in our channel about it
[20:33] <CaseyA> give me a few seconds :)
[20:34] <CaseyA> No, I was told I was being banned for askign support for an illegal software.
[20:34] <CaseyA> which infact was not illegal.
[20:34] <k1l_> CaseyA: that is illegal software.
[20:34] <CaseyA> prove it.
[20:34] <k1l_> there is no software company which ships a legal software which is named "cracked"
[20:34] <k1l_> that is for sure
[20:34] <IdleOne> CaseyA: Now you are going to remain banned because you insist that we have to help you with something we believe is not legal.
[20:34] <CaseyA> Look, I know what's illegal and what is not.
[20:35] <k1l_> im not going to play the innocent lamb game with you
[20:35] <CaseyA> I already stated when I came in here that I was not looking for assistance, I was asking for your rules, and how you came to the conclusion.
[20:35] <CaseyA> which you still havent proven, yet.
[20:35] <IdleOne> We answered you.
[20:36] <DJones> CaseyA: Initially, you were asked not to ask about it, then you were removed from the channel for continuing, your rejoined and asked again and were banned, then you rejoined under a different nick and asked the same question for the same filename with the word cracked removed and were banned again
[20:36] <CaseyA> http://www.wftpserver.com/download.htm
[20:36] <DJones> And are currently ban evading in #ubuntu under your current nick
[20:37] <k1l_> CaseyA: i looked at that software company which says its software which needs to be paid
[20:37] <DJones> Yes, and that is version 4.2 not 3.6 that you asked about
[20:37] <AlanBell> CaseyA: the trial comes as a tar.gz, it does not contain a setup.exe, that is not the software you are using
[20:37] <CaseyA> DJones, you are correct. You seemed to have missunderstood the first post, so I corrected it so you could understand better. You then could not still understand and banned me. Now in order to talk about it, what does one have to do to get back in the channel? Hmm
[20:38] <k1l_> CaseyA: again, dont play the innocent lamb. that software and naming sheme is 100% illegal
[20:38] <IdleOne> there is no talking about it in #ubuntu, it is not supported. End of story.
[20:38] <CaseyA> AlanBell: the software I have has some sort of cdm  or cdr, sorry I am not on a linux machine and dont remember the exact extemtion
[20:39] <CaseyA> We are getting off topic, I'm not here asking for support for the software. I can save that for the channel, I'm still waiting to hear how you have proven its illegal, file names do not make things illegal.
[20:40] <k1l_> CaseyA: http://www.downeu.org/software/143721-wing-ftp-server-v361-corporate-edition-x86-multilingual-linux.html
[20:40] <CaseyA> Perhaps if that was true, if I came in here with the name FBI Agen, Fox Molder, then I would be an agent, right?
[20:40] <k1l_> CaseyA: that is accidently 100% the same name you got over there.
[20:41] <CaseyA> sounds rediculous, I know, but thats what foundation you are using for your arguement and judgement.
[20:41] <IdleOne> CaseyA: This isn't a court of law. The channel is ours and we let who we want in when we want.
[20:42] <CaseyA> Very true, but then maybe you should re-read your guidelines and try to obey by them, maybe just a little.
[20:42] <CaseyA> Cause at this point, I have stuck by them, even been curtious when accused for something I havent done.
[20:42] <DJones> CaseyA: k1l_ Interestingly, trying to download the file from that site brings up "File not available - This file was either in breach of a copyright holder or deleted'
[20:42] <IdleOne> The point you seem to be missing here is that #ubuntu does not provide support for that software. ask the people who made it to help you.
[20:43] <k1l_> CaseyA: i dont see a point in any further discussion with you. you were proven to be lying and using warez that are illegal. still you insist to be the victim here. so as you ban evade and dont stick to the rules i dont see a point in removeing any ban
[20:43] <CaseyA> Again, I'm not here asking for support. I asking for the ban to be removed because I had not violated the rules.
[20:44] <IdleOne> you violated the "stop asking for non supported stuff rule"
[20:44] <k1l_> CaseyA: stop playing the inocent lamb. you know exactly what you did and that its against the law (not only the channel rules)
[20:44] <CaseyA> because you accused of the software of being illegal, yes.
[20:45] <CaseyA> Well, seems how I'm U.S Military, I think I can understand rules to follow and acts of violating the law. The software I have is liget and would risk my military career on something petty.
[20:46] <IdleOne> Good thing we aren't in the US
[20:46] <AlanBell> CaseyA: just stop. Download the real trial, it will work. Use an FTP server that is packaged by Ubuntu, it will work, and we will support it. Carry on with this ludicrous blame shifting and you just look a fool.
[20:46] <CaseyA> it is, isnt it.
[20:46] <IdleOne> Your perceived rights mean nothing to me.
[20:47] <CaseyA> AlanBell: I did try from the main source too, did not have any luck. I dont understand the errors I recieve, I'm not an actuive ubuntu user. Which is why I came to the #ubuntu channel.
[20:52] <CaseyA> So the ban is removed?
[21:51] <j4jackj> I was in a bad mood when that happened and I still am. It's your call.
[21:52] <IdleOne> is that supposed to be some sort of acknowledgement of your bad behaviour or an apology. because it is neither.
[21:52] <j4jackj> the first is true.
[21:53] <IdleOne> j4jackj: have you read the ubuntu irc guidelines?
[21:53] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[21:53] <IdleOne> just in case you haven't
[21:53] <j4jackj> i get the gist.
[21:54] <IdleOne> I would prefer you read them and fully understand them, not just the gist.
[21:54] <j4jackj> 'do not be annying'
[21:55] <IdleOne> Do you think flooding me in PM for almost 5 minutes was appropriate behaviour, especially when I was trying to help you?
[21:57] <j4jackj> do not start or it will happen again
[21:57] <IdleOne> ok. the ban will stay in place, thanks for your time.
[21:58] <j4jackj> etb
[21:58] <j4jackj> but
[21:58] <j4jackj> br
[21:58] <j4jackj> t
[21:58] <k1l> j4jackj: to blackmail that something will hapen again is not a good move if you want a ban to removed :/
[21:58] <j4jackj> [rh
[21:58] <j4jackj> r
[21:58] <j4jackj> bu
[21:58] <j4jackj> hbu
[21:58] <j4jackj> rb
[22:54] <LjL> for a moment that looked like you banned chu. i must have been looking at hardly-backlit PDA screens for too long today
[22:57] <IdleOne> heh
[23:00] <LjL> IdleOne, chu: i mean like this one http://i.imgur.com/KTsKifQ.jpg ;(
[23:18] <genii> Does anyone believe that fk is "football kick" ?
[23:18] <k1l> nope
[23:19] <genii> k1l: Thanks.
[23:20] <genii> @comment 55695 Profanity after warning.
[23:36] <DatWolf> :l
[23:37] <DatWolf> I'd like to discuss my recent ban
[23:37] <DatWolf> is anyone availible?
[23:39] <DatWolf> is anyone here?
[23:39] <DatWolf> Hello?
[23:42] <DatWolf> Hello?
[23:42] <DatWolf> is anyone in ubuntu-ops?
[23:50] <DatWolf> .........
[23:50] <DatWolf> is anyone alive?
[23:50] <DatWolf> win 3