[02:32] <djjeff> anybody else up in here have a TAB 10.1 WIFI (P7510)
[02:35] <RobbyF_> djjeff, I had one :)
[02:35] <djjeff> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:36] <RobbyF_> I figured I'd say something rather than leave you hanging here.
[02:36] <djjeff> I have Ubuntu Touch loaded on my TAB 10.1
[02:36] <djjeff> followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p4wifi
[02:36] <djjeff> I can adb shell and get root
[02:37] <djjeff> but nothing shows up on my screen
[02:37] <djjeff> its black
[02:39] <djjeff> I guess its cause I have a TAB 10.1 from CANADA
[02:39] <RobbyF_> hmm
[02:39] <djjeff> I tried loading up UK version of Ice Cream Sandwhich and my screen would not come on at all
[02:40] <djjeff> had to ODIN reflash canadian version of ICS 4.0.4
[02:40] <djjeff> to get the samsung logo to show up
[02:41] <RobbyF> are you using the latest version of ubuntu touch? daily image?
[02:41] <RobbyF> I think there was a graphics issue on tablets WAYS back on dev preview
[02:44] <djjeff> I used http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[02:44] <RobbyF> I'm not able to help you out sorry. someone here will. gets popular in here around 12 hours from now
[02:48] <djjeff> I guess I should try the raring build
[02:48] <djjeff> see what happens
[02:59] <RobbyF> oh neat
[02:59] <RobbyF> chromium is on the latest saucy build
[03:32] <kc8qvp> My friend wants to install Qt 5.1 and try out the new stuff for Android development.  I told him to add these repos:    ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa  ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper  ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper
[03:32] <kc8qvp> is that correct?  sufficient?
[03:32] <kc8qvp> I was particularly wondering if there exists an ubuntu-sdk-team repo that corresponds with qt5-beta-proper
[04:13] <n00b_> Hello
[04:16] <n00b_> Can anyone help me figure out how to update the time on the phone from Terminal in OS X?
[04:17] <n00b_> When I try to connect via ssh it says Permission denied
[04:20] <n00b_> Anyone there?
[05:15] <djjeff> OMFG I got it WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:15] <djjeff> I have Ubuntu touch on my TAB 10.1
[05:35] <jono> djjeff, :-)
[05:43] <djjeff> no wifi no ssh no apt-get?
[05:43] <djjeff> its a start tho
[05:45] <jono> djjeff, there is wifi support
[05:45] <jono> there is also ssh via the terminal and apt-get :-)
[05:45] <djjeff> not on the build im using :(
[05:46] <djjeff> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/raring/monthly-06/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[06:14] <krato> hi all
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <djjeff> GM
[07:38] <seb128> dholbach, good morning my german friend! ;-)
[07:38] <dholbach> salut mon ami français - comment ça va?
[07:45] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[07:46] <PaoloRotolo> please, do you know where I can find Qt Design 5?
[07:46] <seb128> dholbach, ca va bien, et toi ?
[07:46] <seb128> PaoloRotolo, hey, do you mean qtcreator? or what is qt design?
[07:48] <dholbach> seb128, oui, ça va - heureux que le weekend est proche :)
[07:48] <seb128> ;-)
[07:49] <PaoloRotolo> seb128, I found online "qt desing 4" to design qt interfaces.
[07:49] <PaoloRotolo> Hi dholbach :)
[07:49] <dholbach> ciao PaoloRotolo
[07:49] <PaoloRotolo> :D
[07:50] <seb128> ok, dunno about "qt design", qtcreator include tools to build interfaces though
[07:51] <PaoloRotolo> seb128, I know, but when I download the source of an Ubuntu Touch app like "Weather", i can't find anything in the design tab.
[07:52] <seb128> I don't know if people use visual tools to build the UI for those, or just write qml code
[09:04] <veebers> tmoenicke: Hi, would you have a couple of moments to answer some queries i have?
[09:07] <tmoenicke> veebers: sure
[09:07] <veebers> tmoenicke: would a hangout be alright?
[09:10] <tmoenicke> veebers: yep
[09:10] <tmoenicke> sec
[09:15] <tmoenicke> veebers: calling you
[09:33] <krato> hi to all
[09:33] <krato> i like to port the ubuntu touch to new hardware
[09:33] <krato> I need some info about porting
[09:39] <TobyK> 'lo :)
[09:46] <TobyK> does anyone have a work-around for when you boot up and apps don't start up (i.e. show blank screen)?
[09:47] <popey> TobyK: sounds like a bug
[09:47] <TobyK> my Nexus 7 is unusable 'cos I can't get past this
[09:47] <popey> krato: we have a porting page on the wiki linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[09:47] <popey> TobyK: I hear it sometimes "fixes" after a reboot
[09:48] <TobyK> popey: yes, I actually added that comment to the bug, but I've rebooted about 12 times now and it's still not working
[09:48] <popey> ☹
[09:49] <TobyK> getting desparate now, tried deleting all my configs from home directory, killing anything and everything, etc.
[09:50] <TobyK> FYI the bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1191144
[09:50] <TobyK> I can help debug this issue if someone wants me to try anything :)
[09:52] <om26er> A recent change in some lower level component broke our autopilot. If the shell is killed and we run our test suite only the first test passes all others fail
[09:53] <om26er> it seems the app textures are not destroyed and it remains visible on screen even if the process is killed.
[09:54] <om26er> mzanetti Saviq ^
[09:55] <mzanetti> om26er: right.. I've seen that too yesterday
[09:55] <om26er> tests pass if the shell is running with screen unlocked, but if the shell is killed (phablet-test-run -n) tests fail
[09:55] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you know where that comes from?
[09:55] <mzanetti> greyback might be able to help here ^
[09:56] <mzanetti> greyback: we have the issue that we can't run autopilot tests for apps when the shell is running because they are started minimized
[09:56] <mzanetti> greyback: now, stopping the shell is not an option any more because apps are stopped/hidden/whatever too
[09:57] <mzanetti> om26er: FYI, if we would have autopilot tests running on the phone in CI this change would not have made it into the release
[09:57] <om26er> mzanetti, you are right,  we are working on that.
[09:58] <om26er> well we have the jobs there its just a matter of hooking it to -ci jobs
[09:58] <greyback> om26er: mzanetti: this is to test shell?
[09:58] <mzanetti> greyback: no, the apps mainly
[09:59] <greyback> mzanetti: would a testing shell not be best then? One which does not ensure newly opening apps go in from of shell, when shell doesn't expect it
[10:00] <greyback> s/from/front/
[10:00] <mzanetti> greyback: actually it would be best to run them with the real shell... but I opened a but in december that apps launched from command line should be opened in foreground and I seem to be alone with that opinion since then
[10:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, om26er no, first I've heard
[10:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, om26er ah
[10:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, om26er, that should be fixed in the most recent shell
[10:02] <om26er> Saviq, is that not released yet ?
[10:02] <Saviq> om26er, yes it is
[10:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: I flashed yesterday evening.
[10:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: I can see this behaviour since then
[10:02] <mzanetti> let me try to flash again
[10:03] <greyback> interesting, let me see
[10:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, and if you go `webbrowser-app --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/webbrowser-app.desktop`
[10:03] <om26er> Saviq, last one from phablet-team ppa is 33hours hold, and I have that installed
[10:03] <Saviq> om26er, and if you do ↑ that the app launches minimized?
[10:03] <mzanetti> Saviq: then its minimized in the apps lens
[10:03] <Saviq> launches full-screen here...
[10:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: without the --dekstop_file_hint its not showing up at all
[10:04] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes, that's required
[10:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah... I think there is some certain circumstance where it actually works... but not always
[10:04] <om26er> Saviq, no in that case it opens in the front
[10:04] <Saviq> it even focuses over a previous app here
[10:05]  * Saviq reads again
[10:05] <om26er> Saviq, as I said if the shell is running and greeter is unlocked tests run fine.. but if the shell is killed they don't
[10:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, did you have a chance to test manta yesterday ?
[10:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, your translation was wrong ;P
[10:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's when the shell _isn't_ running
[10:09] <mzanetti> Saviq, om26er: this seems to work now mostly
[10:09] <mzanetti> I just launched 3 apps from command line and the first 2 of them actually showed up in foreground
[10:09] <mzanetti> If there are already minimized apps running, running another one from the command line brings the wrong one to the foreground
[10:10] <Saviq> om26er, I can't reproduce, I stopped the shell (and removed from /etc/device-services)
[10:10] <Saviq> om26er, and all the apps I start / stop go away
[10:11] <Saviq> om26er, and well, it's unrelated to the shell - it'd have to be the app manager in qtubuntu
[10:12] <mzanetti> om26er: anyways, in general you should work towards the goal that the shell is running during the autopilot tests
[10:13] <mzanetti> om26er: so instead of using -n you probably want to import the shells autopilot helpers and call unlock the greeter before running the apps tests
[10:13] <om26er> Saviq, right, i see the issue on two devices, you have the latest image ?
[10:14] <om26er> Saviq, who should I contact for qtubuntu ?
[10:14] <Saviq> om26er, ricmm
[10:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you file a bug for the wrong app comes to front issue?
[10:14] <mzanetti> Saviq: sure
[10:14] <om26er> mzanetti, there is a way to unlock the shell? I though that needed some help from mir et al
[10:15] <Saviq> om26er, just drag from the right :)
[10:15] <mzanetti> om26er: lp:unity/8.0/tests/autopilot/unity8/tests/helpers.py: unlock_greeter()
[10:15] <om26er> mzanetti, it would definitely make more sense to run our tests while the shell is running as that's our target
[10:16] <mzanetti> om26er: if you want to reuse that you might need to depend on unity8-autopilot in the app's autopilot packages
[10:16] <mzanetti> om26er: also I'm not sure how to connect to 2 different autopilot interfaces in 1 test suite (the shell and the app). you might want to talk to veebers or thomi about that
[10:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: what component is it actually that I should report the bug for?
[10:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's most probably the app manager, so touch-preview-images and assign ricmm
[10:22] <mzanetti> Saviq: cheers
[10:45] <mzanetti> katie: ping
[10:46] <katie> mzanetti, hello
[10:46] <mzanetti> katie: lp:~mzanetti/unity/8-edge-hinting-onPressed and lp:~mzanetti/unity/8-edge-hinting-onReleased
[10:47] <mzanetti> katie: if you care about my opinion, the onReleased feels totally weird to me... I like the onPressed the most. second place is the one in the current image
[10:47] <katie> mzanetti, ooh.. great
[10:47] <katie> mzanetti, i'll have a look
[11:24] <seb128> bah, could io be any slower on grouper?
[11:24]  * seb128 trying to build packages there
[11:35] <Minste> When I get a sms, the phone are really slow until I manage to red the message. also the notification symbol just flashing and shows nothing in the message dropdown. Have to go to phone-conversations and open the tekst to get the notification symbol stop flashing or read the message. Is this a known bug? running mako.
[11:35] <Minste> read*
[11:57] <davmor2> seb128: grouper I think is the worse of the lot to be honest :(
[11:59] <davmor2> seb128: from what I see it seems it is the least well supported ubuntu touch demo devise
[11:59] <seb128> well, in that case I just use it as a buildd for testing a bug
[12:03] <esigolo> .
[12:04] <djjeff> I almost have wifi working on the P7510 TAB 10.1
[12:12] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch Contacts | http://askubuntu.com/q/311016
[12:20] <esigolo> there is a list with what is working and what is not?
[12:20] <esigolo> I'm reading the changelog but
[12:21] <esigolo> i'm not a developer so is a little bit confuse for me
[12:37]  * xnox ponders if my nexus7 is screwed or not..... volume down key doesn't work.
[12:37] <om26er> mzanetti, I had internet issues. My question is, to be able to unlock the screen would we need to restart the shell in testability ?
[12:38] <xnox> it booted, hope is not lost =)
[12:38] <mzanetti> om26er: yes
[12:39] <om26er> mzanetti, the current unity shell is always able to introspect, is that something also considered for the QML version?
[12:39] <om26er> for example to test unity 7 there is no need to restart it, it just works
[12:40] <mzanetti> om26er: I'd say no... I think having the testability always enabled imposes a security risk too... especially since its possible to invoke slots through autopilot-qt
[12:41] <om26er> mzanetti, ack
[13:02] <nik90> popey: can you help test https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/clock-fontsizes
[13:02] <popey> sure thing!
[13:02] <nik90> popey: and let me know if the fonts sizes look ok on the phone
[13:03] <nik90> thnx
[13:04] <popey> np
[13:09] <rtg_> ChickenCutlass, ogra_, when updating an N10 from Android, do I need to 'phablet-flash -b' before 'phablet-flash --flipped' ?
[13:09] <ChickenCutlass> rtg_, yes
[13:09] <rtg_> ack, thanks
[13:09] <ogra_> rtg_, n10 doessnt work with flipped yet
[13:09] <ChickenCutlass> oops
[13:09] <rtg_> bummer
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_, I thought we fixed that
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> guess not
[13:10] <rtg_> what device _does_ work ?
[13:10] <popey> oh crud, i can't take screenshots anymore now I've got a flipped image
[13:10] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, well, i havent heard back from rsalveti yet ... and even then we dont have the udev rules for getting SF up yet
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> rtg_, n4 and original nexus
[13:11] <ogra_> rtg_, all other nexus devices do
[13:11] <nik90> popey: oh
[13:11] <popey> ooh, maybe I can
[13:11] <nik90> popey: but that's ok..I just need your opinion about it
[13:11] <ogra_> i dont have an n10 and the ones we have in the team are in a different TZ, that makes everything a bit slow
[13:11] <rtg_> ogra_, even N7 ? I thought grouper was having issues.
[13:11] <ogra_> rtg_, not since the last kernel upload
[13:11] <rtg_> ah, cool. I actually fixed something :)
[13:12] <ogra_> note though that the current image is broken (took 4h to get the fix in the archive) i just started a new build ... wait 2h for a fixed image
[13:12] <rtg_> with your clear directions of course.
[13:12] <rtg_> well, I'm flashing my N10 to begin with
[13:13] <ogra_> well, getting some feedback if it gets to an adb session with the new iimage would help
[13:13] <popey> nik90: having trouble actually starting it... one mo
[13:14] <sidnei> uhm, i flashed latest and now contacts are not showing up, even the ones i add manually
[13:14] <sidnei> oh, same as the question in ask :)
[13:14] <davmor2> ogra_: why does search not work on the home lens?
[13:15] <ogra_> heh, ask one of the UI guys ... i.e. Saviq
[13:15] <ogra_> or ted
[13:15] <Saviq> davmor2, 'cause it's not the real home scope yet
[13:15] <davmor2> Saviq: ah okay that makes sense then
[13:15] <Saviq> davmor2, we're going to make it real soon
[13:16] <Saviq> davmor2, i.e. it's fake data currently (and not even a fake scope, as is the case for video and music)
[13:16] <popey> nik90: ok, got it running.. what do you want to know?
[13:17] <nik90> can you check the font size of the current world locations
[13:17] <nik90> my personal feeling was that it looks too big, however I wasnt sure how they look on the phone
[13:17] <sidnei> so it's not possible to search for installed apps either? eg, i installed the terminal app, how do launch or even get a shortcut to it on the screen?
[13:17] <popey> is it the same size as the word "Search" in the button?
[13:17] <popey> it looks big but nicely readable
[13:18] <popey> nik90: none of the cities wrap or go off the screen
[13:18] <popey> even long ones like Washington DC, United States
[13:18] <popey> Or my fave Yamoussoukro, Ivory Coast
[13:19] <popey> nik90: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-06-21-141732.png
[13:19] <popey> nik90: anything else?
[13:20] <nik90> popey: nope. The screenshot helped
[13:20] <popey> nik90: you know the buttons in the stopwatch are off screen?
[13:20] <nik90> popey: yes, there is a bug report on it
[13:20] <popey> thought so
[13:20] <nik90> popey: I have asked renato to fix it who is very busy at the moment
[13:20] <popey> ok
[13:20] <nik90> popey: besides with the new visual design, that should also be fixed
[13:20] <popey> of course
[13:20] <nik90> I got the desigsn this morning
[13:21] <popey> yay
[13:21] <nik90> will start implementing soon :)
[13:36] <sidnei> is it normal that ofonod is constantly at 20% cpu?
[13:38] <dorsatum> hi, i was following the tutorial given on this page ->http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/getting-started/currency-converter-phone-app/
[13:38] <dorsatum> and the last point mentioned
[13:40] <dorsatum> where we can view and use ComponentsShowcase.qml
[13:40] <dorsatum> that part doesn't work out for me
[13:40] <dorsatum> the ubuntu-ui-toolkit folder that i have
[13:40] <dorsatum> has only examples
[13:41] <dorsatum> any ideas?
[13:41] <mhall119> dorsatum: under examples is ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery
[13:41] <mhall119> that's where the showcase has been moved to
[13:42] <mhall119> qmlscene ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml
[13:42] <mhall119> should get it running for you
[13:43] <sidnei> http://theravingrick.blogspot.com.br/2013/06/the-social-phone.html mentions 'Search the application lens' but i can't find out how to do that
[13:43] <sidnei> is this something that's on unity-next but not on the image perhaps?
[13:50] <pmcgowan> sidnei, you can search it now, go to apps view, click the search text in the top panel
[13:51] <sidnei> oooh, now it works
[13:52] <sidnei> i was trying to drag down instead of tap
[13:53] <morphis> sergiusens: ping
[13:55] <morphis> sergiusens: you're the reporter of https://bugs.launchpad.net/phone-app/+bug/1089431 ; did you restest this with a recent version of ofono?
[13:57] <om26er> mzanetti, wouldn't it make more sense to have the unlock screen thing in autopilot itself? else each app will have to implement it in its tests.
[13:57] <pmcgowan> sidnei, interesting, not an unreasonable expectation
[13:58] <om26er> mzanetti, also jcollado have been able to execute multiple apps in a test suite, though not sure if that's the way we'd like to have in our apps: lp:~javier.collado/ubuntu-test-cases/memory_usage_measurement
[14:00] <sidnei> pmcgowan: it's also confusing that you have to be on the 'apps' view, and it doesn't work on the 'home' view for example
[14:09] <rtg_> ogra_, whats the story on 'adbd cannot run as root in production builds' ? I've done 'sudo fastboot oem unlock' and 'adb kill-server; adb start-server'.
[14:09] <rtg_> this is on an N10 with stock Android 4.2.2
[14:09] <ogra_> you should have done the adb start-server with sudo
[14:10] <ogra_> iirc
[14:10] <rtg_> ogra_, no joy
[14:10] <ogra_> and indeed you need to enable adb in the android UI
[14:10] <ogra_> usb debugging etc
[14:10] <rtg_> done that with USB debugging
[14:11] <ogra_> did it no pop up a question in the screen if you want to allow your PC to connect ?
[14:11] <rtg_> yep, said yes
[14:12] <rtg_> I'll try disabling that, then restarting the adb server
[14:12] <ogra_> hmm, that should work ...
[14:12] <rtg_> drat, same deal
[14:13] <ogra_> did you get any popup on the PC side ?
[14:13] <rtg_> popup for what ?
[14:13] <ogra_> iirc i had that with the latest android version for some devices
[14:13] <ogra_> a gtk popup telling you about the device being connected with a yes/no question
[14:14] <rtg_> I do not appear to have any popups hiding on my desktop
[14:14] <ogra_> i havent had that on all devices, but on some
[14:15] <matv1> Hi, can anyone tell me if Caldav connectivity is on the wishlist for the calendar app? Or is this not the right place to ask?
[14:16] <esigolo> is not possible to run adb shell from windows is it?
[14:18] <esigolo> I mean after flashing
[14:18] <ogra_> why wouldnt it ?
[14:18] <ogra_> as long as you have an adb.exe it should work as it did before
[14:18] <esigolo> adb shell error: device not found
[14:19] <ogra_> well, adbd is definitely running on all images ... try to re-plug
[14:20] <ogra_> sounds like a windows side issue
[14:20] <esigolo> maybe driver ?
[14:20] <ogra_> probably
[14:22] <esigolo> should i install from the SDK manager?
[14:22] <ogra_> androids SDK manager ?
[14:22] <ogra_> nope
[14:23] <esigolo> from where ?
[14:24] <ogra_> i thought you had flashed already ?
[14:25] <esigolo> yes i'm running touch now
[14:25] <esigolo> i just want to access the shell
[14:25] <esigolo> phone shell
[14:26] <ogra_> well, how did you install ?
[14:26] <esigolo> adb push and flashed with cwm
[14:26] <ogra_> and which image did you flash
[14:27] <ogra_> (download url would be helpful)
[14:27] <esigolo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip
[14:28] <esigolo> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[14:28] <ogra_> ok
[14:28] <ogra_> that still uses android as the base so the device side is 100% identical to what you had on android
[14:28] <ogra_> there is no reason for adb to not give yu access ...
[14:29] <esigolo> but touch is runing [2013-06-21 11:29.13]  /cygdrive/c/ubuntu [T801628.AK0033640] â†’ fastboot.exe devices                                                                                                                                        v â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”
[14:31] <esigolo> weird
[14:32] <esigolo> with ubuntu runing on phone I should be able to access right?
[14:33] <ogra_> fastboot ???
[14:33] <ogra_> fastboot is accessing the device in bootloader mode only
[14:33] <ogra_> you want adb
[14:33] <esigolo> just to see if i can see the device
[14:33] <esigolo> listed
[14:34] <ogra_> you wont se it with fastboot
[14:34] <esigolo> adb devices also
[14:35] <esigolo> Exclamation mark on device manager
[14:35] <ogra_> well, i'd blame windows
[14:36] <mzanetti> om26er: yeah... could make sense. could you please discuss that with thomi?
[14:48] <esigolo> ogra_: fixed
[14:48] <ogra_> what was it ?
[14:48] <esigolo> just forced to use the driver
[14:49] <esigolo> on the device manager
[14:49] <esigolo> option select driver from the list
[14:50] <esigolo> and select Android adb interface
[14:54] <esigolo> ogra_: how can I send a text msg?
[14:56] <ogra_> go to the apps lens,  tap the looking glass, search for friends
[14:56] <ogra_> i think thats also handling SMS
[14:57] <ogra_> (though dont rely on me, i have no SIM card in my phones
[14:57] <ogra_> )
[15:03] <esigolo> thansk
[15:03] <esigolo> I received a new msg
[15:03] <esigolo> but is just blinking
[15:04] <esigolo> i can't find the text anywere
[15:11] <pmcgowan> esigolo, it will be in the conversation tab of the phone app, the messaging pulldown is temporarily busted
[15:16] <esigolo> pmcgowan: thansk
[15:32] <om26er> Saviq, i have a feature request, unity shell should only support one running instance, if a new instance is called it should first kill the already running and start new. how does it feel ?
[15:32] <awe> ogra_, so any other ideas on udev fix for rmnet?
[15:33] <awe> I tried your rule, and no go...
[15:33] <ogra_> phablet NetworkManager[1079]:    SCPlugin-Ifupdown: device added (path: /sys/devices/platform/msm_hsic_host/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.5/net/rmnet_usb0, iface: rmnet_usb0): no ifupdown configuration found.
[15:33] <ogra_> Jun 20 23:39:59 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1079]: <warn> failed to allocate link cache: (-10) Operation not supported
[15:33] <ogra_> Jun 20 23:39:59 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1079]: <info> (rmnet_usb0): carrier is OFF
[15:33] <ogra_> awe, thats what i'm seeing on flipped
[15:33] <awe> and that's bad
[15:33] <awe> there should be no rmnet_usb* devices
[15:33] <ogra_> now i wonder what is that link cache it talks about :)
[15:33] <awe> there aren't in the non-flipped image
[15:34] <ogra_> Jun 20 22:42:28 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[504]: <info> Policy set '3g' (rmnet_usb0) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS.
[15:34] <awe> ogra_, NM is trying to use these devices because they appear to be eth devices
[15:34] <ogra_> thats what i have in non flippe
[15:34] <ogra_> d
[15:34] <ogra_> in your log
[15:34] <awe> don't pay attention to the NM logs
[15:34] <ogra_> heh, well, you attached them :)
[15:35] <awe> ogra_, yes... to illustrate that in non-flipped, NM sees rmnet0...3, and ignores
[15:35] <ogra_> what i noticed though ...
[15:35] <awe> in flipped, it sees those and ignores, but then also sees rmnet_usb0...3 too
[15:35] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# cat /proc/393/mounts|grep sysfs
[15:35] <ogra_> sysfs /sys sysfs rw,relatime 0 0
[15:35] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# mount |grep sysfs
[15:35] <ogra_> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[15:35] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/#
[15:35] <awe> and tries to use them
[15:35] <ogra_> we do mount /sys differently
[15:35] <awe> whatever we're doing, it's not correct
[15:35] <awe> ;D
[15:36] <ogra_> right, so probably try to add a /sys entry to your fstab (that will override the default)
[15:36] <ogra_> with just rw,relatime as options
[15:37] <awe> I'm not sure how that fixes things...
[15:37] <ogra_> given how weird android is, i can imagine the nodev blocks someting
[15:37] <ogra_> (using devices from /sys instead of /dev)
[15:38] <ogra_> beyond that, let me go through init.rc of mako
[15:38] <Joe_B> For the contributor agreement, what if I don't have a "Canonical Project Manager or contact"?
[15:50] <awe> pwd
[15:50]  * awe sighs
[15:55] <mhall119> Joe_B: what do you plan on contributing to?
[15:56] <Joe_B> mhall119: to start with I was just going to browse the sdk and take a look around, so this isn't something I need to deal with immediately.
[15:57] <Joe_B> Are there plans for a wallpaper changer? support for live wallpapers?  I could maybe help with the first.
[15:57] <mhall119> wallpaper changer I believe is on the feature list
[15:57] <mhall119> I don't know about live ones
[15:58] <mhall119> since it's really just a background for the dash
[16:07] <Saviq> om26er, found it
[16:07] <Saviq> om26er, it should be handled via upstart
[16:08] <Saviq> om26er, but then it could fail to start if it finds an instance already
[16:08] <Saviq> om26er, file a bug against unity/8.0 please?
[16:09] <om26er> Saviq, yes will do. if the shell is already running it should be killed and a new instance shall be started. that's pretty much what we have in desktop unity right now
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, only with --replace
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, by default it would just fail to start
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, but that, IMO, should be handled via upstart
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, i.e. restart unity8
[16:10] <Saviq> om26er, I don't want to build such functionality into unity8, hardly feels like the right place...
[16:11] <om26er> Saviq, so what's the final word should we have a bug for unity/8.0 regarding this or nor ?
[16:11] <om26er> *not
[16:11] <Saviq> om26er, bug, yes please
[16:12] <Saviq> om26er, how it's gonna get solved is a different issue
[16:12] <Saviq> om26er, but bug, yes, please
[16:14] <om26er> Saviq, bug 1193412
[16:15] <om26er> though it went to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/
[16:15] <Saviq> om26er, yeah, there's no way to only target unity/8.0
[16:19] <Saviq> greyback, ricmm, can you please comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1193412 whether what I wrote makes sense?
[16:21] <greyback> Saviq: yep, looks ok.
[16:23] <ogra_> awe, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5787218/ here are some more devices that need radio ownership
[16:24]  * ogra_ hopes he has alll now
[16:24] <ogra_> awe, see if that fixes it
[16:25] <Joe_B> In the qtcreator, why is it supported platforms seems to list only desktop for everything? is there an example touch app in there?
[16:25] <awe> ogra_, it's not radio ownership that's the issue.
[16:25] <awe> I'll give it a try, but am not optimistic
[16:26] <awe> I'm also going to re-flash non-flipped to do some more poking around
[16:26] <ogra_> well, we were missing all the permissions for these devices (along with the ownership)
[16:27] <awe> I'll try...but don't think it'll solve the problem
[16:33] <awe> ogra_, so is the plan to just add all this stuff into one giant android udev rule???
[16:34] <awe> ogra_, wouldn't it make sense to create rules files for each device?
[16:34] <ogra_> awe, yeah, and a generic android rule
[16:34] <ogra_> for now one giant one will do though
[16:34] <ogra_> but yeah, i didnt plan to keep it that way :)
[16:35] <awe> so will we try and split before we make flipped the default, and or will we flip and then try and break apart?
[16:35] <ogra_> in fact i think we should have a translation tool that parses ueventd.rc into a rule
[16:35] <ogra_> i would filp first
[16:36] <awe> ogra_, do you have a blueprint you're working off of?
[16:36] <ogra_> nope
[16:36] <awe> as I think it's important to track a WI for splitting apart this giant udev rule
[16:36] <ogra_> there was a flipping BP ... but that was a0 pretty sparse on WIs and b) owned by pat
[16:36] <awe> ogra_, hmmmm... you might want to discuss with ChickenCutlass then.  seems like thi sia something easily lost
[16:37]  * ogra_ doubts that given we need to find a proper way for ports anyway ... but yeah, we might want to create a container-flip-cleanup BP
[16:37] <awe> ogra_, no dice
[16:38] <ogra_> ok
[16:38] <awe> ogra_, can we track workarounds we've tried in the bug?
[16:38] <awe> I'll add what I've tried to so far
[16:38] <ogra_> yeah
[16:38] <ogra_> we will need these rules anyway though
[16:44] <mhall119> Kaleo: ping
[16:53] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I'm looking for docs on using notify-osd with the Ubuntu components ... little help?
[16:58] <mhall119> rickspencer3: I don't think there is an API for it yet, not outside of the shell itself and maybe some custom stuff for the default apps
[16:59] <rickspencer3> oh?
[16:59] <mhall119> AFAIK, none of the Unity integration APIs are available from QML yet
[16:59] <rickspencer3> that bites
[16:59] <mhall119> so, no launcher, indicators, etc
[16:59] <rickspencer3> booo
[16:59] <mhall119> agreed
[16:59] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, how did you do this for sharing from the Gallery?
[16:59] <rickspencer3> ^
[17:03] <morphis> awe: hm, I didn't verified the bug yet cause of a missing suitable SIM card but at least according to the source code some things have changed in the relevant code parts so I would expect the bug already to be fixed
[17:05] <awe> morphis, can you add comments to the bug directly, I'm in a meeting right now.  I will look it over.  Also, did you see my comment about handling error reports?
[17:05] <morphis> awe: yes I did
[17:05] <morphis> awe: pinged sergiusens here to ask wether he can shortly retest with an latest image
[17:05] <awe> sergio is on vacation
[17:06] <awe> please update the bug, and I can test if you don't have the capability to do so
[17:06] <morphis> awe: will get a SIM card with credits tomorrow
[17:06] <awe> k
[17:07] <morphis> let me verify my findings and I will add them
[17:07] <morphis> will do that tomorrow but need to get some other work done today
[17:07] <Kaleo> mhall119: pong
[17:13] <mhall119> Kaleo: hey, I was checking up on some SDK stuff
[17:14] <mhall119> 1) The component to access commandline args, to replace the C++ app launcher that the docviewer is using
[17:14] <Kaleo> mhall119: it's merged for a few weeks
[17:14] <Kaleo> mhall119: however the online doc is not up to date
[17:14] <mhall119> and 2) The background tasks discussions originally included a way to play music in the background, is that available or being worked on?
[17:15] <mhall119> Kaleo: right, I know the developer.u.c docs are out of date, I think dpm was going to update them
[17:15] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, the gallery uses share-app to do that actual share
[17:15] <Kaleo> mhall119: yeah, dpm is
[17:15] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, but what about the notify-osd integration?
[17:15] <Kaleo> mhall119: 2) is not available nor being worked on currently
[17:16] <mhall119> Kaleo: is that planned to be done before October?
[17:17] <Kaleo> mhall119: I think it slipped the spreadsheet
[17:18] <Kaleo> mhall119: it's in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-background-task-service and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MissingSDKFeatures
[17:18] <Kaleo> mhall119: I'll put it in the spreadsheet
[17:19] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, even trickier
[17:19] <kenvandine> there is qml bindings in share-app
[17:19] <rickspencer3> :/
[17:19] <kenvandine> a few lines of c++
[17:19] <kenvandine> well
[17:19] <mhall119> thanks Kaleo
[17:20] <kenvandine> now that the new notify-osd has landed in the shell
[17:20] <kenvandine> i bet you can do it without that
[17:59] <svip> I am trying to deploy Ubuntu Touch on an old Nexus (the second newest one, I believe), and after having seemingly been succesful, it suddenly went to Ubuntu's bootloader and complained that it could not deploy the autodeploy.zip file, because the device was no longer connected.  I tried to reboot it, but no luck.  Now when I reboot its bootloader, it says 'Downloading...' and 'Do not turn off target !!' and I can only select START.
[17:59] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, mhall119 pmcgowan tells me that Ubuntu Components sdk integration for notify-osd should come next week
[17:59] <rickspencer3> \o/
[18:00] <pmcgowan> oh man
[18:00] <pmcgowan> heh
[18:00] <mhall119> \o/
[18:00] <svip> What does downloading in this context mean? :S
[18:01] <mhall119> svip: Nexus what?
[18:03] <svip> mhall119: I dunno, Nexus 3?  Maybe?
[18:03] <svip> It doesn't say on the device.
[18:03] <mhall119> I don't think they come in 3
[18:03] <svip> Board name is tuna REV 9, if that helps.
[18:04] <mhall119> tuna?  hmmm, I don't know what that one is
[18:06] <svip> mhall119: Ah, Galaxy Nexus.
[18:06] <svip> Oh great, now I am in the good bootloader again (or at least the one where I can select recovery mode).
[18:09] <svip> Oooh, now it appears to be working.
[18:15] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i'll look forward to that
[18:15] <kenvandine> then i can drop most of the cpp code from share-app :)
[18:16] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, you will be the first to know then
[18:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, excellent :)
[18:18] <svip> mhall119: Hm, nah, I was wrong, after the autodeploy.zip was put on; it now just boots to a black screen.
[18:19] <awe> ogra_, I need to grab some grub, but wondering if you need more debug info from me rE: the 3g bug?
[18:19] <awe> ogra_, I'll be back ~15-20m
[18:19] <svip> mhall119: I always speak too soon!  Sorry; now it is working. :)
[18:20] <awe> I just re-flashed non-flipped and will take a look at sysfs to see if I see the same devices
[18:21] <ogra_> awe, great
[18:27] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, do we use swap on any of the touch devices?
[18:30] <ogra_> stgraber, yep, a swapfile ... but the plan is to get rid of it
[18:35] <stgraber> ogra_: good, I like that plan, because that file is changing between every rootfs .tar.gz and so always ends up in my diffs ;)
[18:39] <ogra_> stgraber, well, not sure *when* we can get rid of it .... ricmm and rsalveti might know .... it kind of goes together with being able to put apps to sleep
[18:39] <ogra_> iirc
[18:47] <rsalveti> stgraber: ogra_: we'll probably keep it for a while, at least until we get some optimizations done in the shell
[18:47] <rsalveti> stgraber: we might change the way we create it then
[19:04] <awe> ogra_, I checked and the devices in /sys look the same flipped vs. non-flipped.  I'll look at the NM code next, however I need to spend some time on the socket retry code next
[19:04] <awe> s/retry code next/retry code now/
[19:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey guys - how do you install a terminal ?
[19:19] <pmcgowan> FunnyLookinHat, there is one in the image
[19:19] <FunnyLookinHat> pmcgowan, in the latest saucy?  I'm not seeing on in my launcher
[19:19] <pmcgowan> FunnyLookinHat, you need to search in the apps lens
[19:20] <pmcgowan> we are actually changing that to show them all by default until categories get finished
[19:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok
[19:21] <FunnyLookinHat> good idea :)
[19:32] <genii> Is the Slimport adapter utilized?
[19:33] <genii> ( on the Nexus 4 )
[19:37] <ChickenCutlass> wtf
[20:06] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, what do I need to import for FriendsDispatcher?
[20:07] <kenvandine> Friends 0.1
[20:08] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, like this:
[20:08] <rickspencer3> import Ubuntu.Friends 0.1
[20:08] <rickspencer3> ?
[20:08] <kenvandine> no
[20:08] <kenvandine> import Friends 0.1
[20:08] <kenvandine> not in the Ubuntu namespace
[20:09] <rickspencer3> thanks kenvandine
[20:11] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, one more ... how do I get the account # from the AccountService inside a delegate?
[20:11] <kenvandine> is the id
[20:11] <kenvandine> it's "id"
[20:11] <rickspencer3> so account.id
[20:11] <rickspencer3> or just "id"
[20:11] <kenvandine> probably account.id
[20:12] <kenvandine> i don't remember.. :)
[20:12] <rickspencer3> hmm
[20:12] <rickspencer3> doesn't seem to be either :/
[20:13] <kenvandine> oh
[20:13] <kenvandine> it's accountId
[20:13] <rickspencer3> ah
[20:13] <rickspencer3> nice
[20:17] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, https://twitter.com/rickspencer3/statuses/348172567355482113
[20:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, nice!
[20:19] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, and ... https://twitter.com/rickspencer3/statuses/348173215039885312
[20:20] <kenvandine> even better!
[20:22] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I have a new version of reddgur in the branch that supports micro-blogging
[20:22] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I can't wait to add notify-osd support, that will be sweet
[20:23] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[20:24] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, when I get back from holidays, I'll extract those buttons and that dialog into self-container unit
[20:25] <kenvandine> cool
[20:25] <kenvandine> nice component
[20:45] <icoop> hi! I just flashed ubuntu-touch on my galaxy nexus. Now I am trying to add online accounts to use the friends app. On askubuntu someone had the same question but no answer. Does anyone here have a tip for me?
[20:52] <rickspencer3> icoop, you need to use the terminal app to add the accounts
[20:53] <rickspencer3> icoop,  to add twitter do $uoa-create twitter <your-twitter-handle>
[20:53] <rickspencer3> to add facebook do $uoa-create facebook <your-facebook-id>
[20:54] <rickspencer3> (unless kenvandine added a UI for it since I last did this)
[20:56] <icoop> perfect! Thank you!
[20:56] <jcastro> icoop: can you close your question on askubuntu or post an answer when you get it sorted?
[20:56] <icoop> sure
[20:57] <jcastro> thanks man!
[21:00] <rickspencer3> dang it
[21:00] <rickspencer3> is the fact that installed apps don't show up properly in the Apps lens a well known issue?
[21:01] <rickspencer3> arg, this means I can't get to the terminal!
[21:02] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, sergiusens ? ^
[21:02] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, ^ ?
[21:04] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, what's up -- terminal not working?
[21:04] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, App Lens is not working
[21:04] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, the icons for installed apps are all empty windows
[21:04] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, hmm. working for me.
[21:05] <rickspencer3> also when I search
[21:05] <rickspencer3> oh fudge
[21:05] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, do an update / upgrade then reboot
[21:05] <ChickenCutlass> maybe
[21:05] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, I installed the Developer Support
[21:05] <rickspencer3> which took hours to install
[21:05] <rickspencer3> and I bet it busted me
[21:05] <ChickenCutlass> weird
[21:05] <mhall119> rickspencer3: bzr merge lp:~mhall119/+junk/reddgur/ to get the packaging files I've been using
[21:06] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, if I just phablet-flash will it install the today's image again for me?
[21:06]  * rickspencer3 tries
[21:06] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, yes
[21:06] <ChickenCutlass> it will
[21:07] <rickspencer3> oh boy
[21:07] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, it shows some weird looking grub-like page!
[21:07]  * rickspencer3 falls to floor in panic
[21:07] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, you running the flipped image?
[21:07] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, if so -- you will see the recovery screen
[21:07] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, I phablet-flashed this morning
[21:08] <rickspencer3> so, whatever I got
[21:08] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, also, phablet-flash just fixed my issue
[21:08] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[21:08] <popey> 22:05:19 < rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, I installed the Developer Support
[21:08] <popey> did you do that in qtcreator?
[21:08] <rickspencer3> popey, yes
[21:08] <popey> right
[21:09] <popey> i suspect it added one of bzoltan1's ppa's and pulled in some crack
[21:09] <rickspencer3> popey, that stuff needs some QA badly
[21:10] <djjeff> I wish I could install grub bootloader on my tab 10.1
[21:10] <rickspencer3> based on usage I suspect that the functionality is largely untested
[21:10] <rickspencer3> it's starting urk me, tbh
[21:10]  * rickspencer3 shakes fist
[21:10] <mhall119> +1
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> Stella, Stellaaaaaa
[21:11] <rickspencer3> lol
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[21:16] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ grep ppa /usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_developertools
[21:16] <popey> $ADB apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper -y
[21:16] <popey> that would be it I imagine
[21:17] <popey> rickspencer3: you may be able to get away with "sudo ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper"
[21:17] <rickspencer3> popey, well, I guess it will all get blown away the next time I phablet-flash ;)
[21:18] <popey> that too
[21:18] <vthompson> Does anyone know how packages that are built in the core apps PPA by Jenkins are built into the images?
[21:19] <popey> vthompson: i suspect sergiusens or ricmm can answer questions related to that
[21:19] <popey> or rsalveti
[21:23] <vthompson> rsalveti, sergiusens, or ricmm  there are currently two packages in the PPA for the Nemo Folderlistmodel QML plugin that music-app and ubuntu-filemanager-app use.  qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugins-folderlistmodel is the older plugin (ubuntu-filemanager-app still depends on this, but I have a merge proposal to change this). qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel is the newer package that music-app depends on. When
[21:23] <vthompson> ubuntu-filemanager-app changes to depend on the latter, the image will need to have that package
[21:36] <mhall119> why the name change?
[21:42] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: I know Saviq was working in a few fixes for the shell
[21:43] <rsalveti> black screen and also into the installed apps issue (blank icons)
[21:43] <rsalveti> vthompson: right, and where is the new package?
[21:47] <vthompson> mhall119, name change was *probably* because the set of Nemo plugins were split up. Now we only need the Folderlistmodel.
[21:48] <vthompson> rsalveti, the package is in the PPA as nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel
[21:48] <rsalveti> vthompson: in the core apps ppa?
[21:49] <rsalveti> if so, the image will already use that
[21:49] <vthompson> the older plugin was under nemo-qml-plugins. It hasn't been built since March
[21:49] <vthompson> Yep
[21:49] <vthompson> The PPA also has "nemo-qml-plugins" I think there's a conflict
[21:50] <vthompson> I don't see the new version in the manifests.
[21:51] <vthompson> Is it because ubuntu-filemanager-app depends on the old plugin still? Will this be automatically fixed when they change their dependency?
[21:52] <vthompson> music-app isn't get built into the image yet, so nothing in the image depends on the newer plugin.
[21:53] <rsalveti> right, yeah, just change the dependency for the file manager
[21:53] <vthompson> Cool, glad to hear it'll be transparent
[21:53] <vthompson> rsalveti, thanks for your help!
[21:53] <rsalveti> it should, if not, just ping me
[21:54] <vthompson> I'll check the manifests once the update is in the PPA
[21:55] <vthompson> On a related note, how do we get music-app to get built into the images?
[22:00] <rsalveti> guess first thing is getting an approval from mhall119
[22:01] <rsalveti> and popey
[22:01] <rsalveti> then just create a bug against https://launchpad.net/touch-preview-images and assign it to me or sergiusens
[22:03] <vthompson> rsalveti, gotcha thanks
[22:07] <mhall119> vthompson: rsalveti: is it functionally ready enough to be included in the daily device images?
[22:07] <mhall119> I don't have audio on my N7, so I can't verify
[22:08] <mhall119> we should ship some sample music too
[22:10] <vthompson> I'd like someone to test on a device to verify that it is...
[22:11] <vthompson> It is usable in my sandbox
[22:12] <vthompson> We still have yet to go through a good iteration of design work, however. The app looks nice, but if we'd rather not change things dramatically on users/testers/early adopters, then we could wait.
[22:22] <Saviq> rsalveti, the black thumbnails is something that will be improved / resolved with the switch to Mir, not working on it now
[22:22] <Saviq> rsalveti, empty icons are fixed in libunity already
[22:22] <Saviq> rickspencer3, ↑
[22:23] <mhall119> Saviq: \o/
[22:23] <rsalveti> Saviq: awesome
[22:23] <rickspencer3> thanks Saviq
[22:23] <Saviq> "not working on it now" == "not for surfaceflinger"
[22:23] <mhall119> Saviq: any idea when we'll have working "Frequently used" section or ability to drag apps to/from the Launcher?
[22:24] <Saviq> mhall119, freq is relatively easy, we need to start reporting data to zeitgeist (we decided for the upstart job to do it)
[22:24] <Saviq> mhall119, then pick it up from there
[22:25] <Saviq> mhall119, drag'n'drop... we can do it within the shell relatively easy as well, mzanetti is working on that within the launcher, should be relatively easy to add dragging from dash to launcher
[22:26] <Saviq> mhall119, but then we have to see whether the system-wide d'n'd support in the platform happens in the mean time
[22:27] <Saviq> mhall119, which would be better to use, because it wouldn't be something internal to the shell
[22:27] <Saviq> mhall119, and would get us closer to d'n'd items onto launcher shortcuts
[22:27] <Saviq> to open
[22:28] <Saviq> mhall119, that said, that's not something we're actively working on now, but it's on various TODOs
[22:32] <mhall119> Saviq: ok, thanks
[22:32] <mfisch> ChickenCutlass: is this coming from hybris? It's new in powerd (for me): [22:32] <mhall119> I used to have a patched launcher file, but it was such a pain to replace it every time I phablet-flased
[22:34] <Saviq> mhall119, oh, that's gonna happen quicker
[22:34] <Saviq> mhall119, it's gonna be a dconf-key away
[22:35] <Saviq> mhall119, mzanetti and Wellark are working on that ~now
[22:36] <rsalveti> mfisch: yes, and was removed with latest hybris already
[22:36] <mfisch> rsalveti: thx
[22:52] <mhall119> Saviq: ah, that would be nice, so it'll persist as long as /home/phablet does
[22:52] <Saviq> mhall119, yup, so phablet-flash should be fine
[22:52] <Saviq> mhall119, only -b would be bad
[22:52] <Saviq> mhall119, but then the flipped container image is coming, when -b becomes only a first-time exercise
[22:55] <mhall119> ah, nice, Android updates without over-writing Ubuntu stuff