| stochastic | So I'd like to pose a question to the group: What advantage will the next version of Ubuntu Studio bring to users? | 10:47 |
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| smartboyhw | Hey DarkEra | 14:52 |
| GNUdru | I've got a problem I don't know how to solve with my Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02 that just occurred in the past few hours. When I go to do my normal upgrade i get the following message: see http://pastebin.com/btJGJzEP | 14:52 |
| DarkEra | hi smartboyhw | 14:52 |
| GNUdru | when i went into the file /var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5900 package 'libswscale-extra-2 i see.... | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, report bug first. | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | Using ubuntu-bug libavutil-extra-51. | 14:53 |
| GNUdru | Depends: libavutil-extra-51 (>= 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.19, libavutil-extra-51 (<< 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1-99), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~) | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | I think I need to propose SRU for this... | 14:53 |
| GNUdru | the error said: `Depends' field, reference to `libavutil-extra-51': version contains ` ' | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, made sure you copy it correctly... | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | I mean the Depends line. | 14:53 |
| GNUdru | i don't understand what it's trying to say to me or how to fix it. | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, I know how to fix. | 14:54 |
| GNUdru | I tried to remove completely libswscale-extra-2 with synaptic but it just keeps giving this same error message. I don't know how to work around it, so i'm stuck. | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | I do need a sponsor for this though, uh oh... | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, ah no. | 14:55 |
| GNUdru | smartboyhw: that was a direct copy and paste so it should be 100% accurate | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | ubuntu-bug libswscale-extra-2 | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, ^ run it. | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | in terminal. | 14:55 |
| GNUdru | smartboyhw: okay i'm entering it now. what do you think a good summary would be? | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, now I came to thought of it (when looking at the packaging): Your errors doesn't make sense... | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | Did you enable any extra PPA? | 15:01 |
| GNUdru | yes i have a few | 15:01 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, find the PPA that has libav-extra in it and remove it... | 15:01 |
| GNUdru | how do i figure that out smartboyhw? | 15:01 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, go to the Launchpad page of that PPA. | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, or rather, paste me your /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | Let me find it for you. | 15:02 |
| GNUdru | i looked and it seems i only have two (related) PPAs turned on, so i guess it must be them. | 15:03 |
| GNUdru | https://launchpad.net/~gnuzilla-team/+archive/ppa | 15:05 |
| GNUdru | icecat | 15:05 |
| smartboyhw | Not the problem it seems... | 15:05 |
| smartboyhw | s/problem/this PPA/ | 15:06 |
| kubotu | smartboyhw meant: "Not the this PPA it seems..." | 15:06 |
| GNUdru | do you think i should finish inputing the bug? | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, sure. | 15:07 |
| GNUdru | what would you suggest for a summary smartboyhw? | 15:07 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, "my upgrade of package failed in Ubuntu 12.04.2"" | 15:07 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, better ideas? ^ | 15:08 |
| GNUdru | should i say Ubuntu or Ubuntu studio? | 15:08 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, Ubuntu Studio . | 15:09 |
| GNUdru | so this is what i've got: "upgrade of package failed in Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02" | 15:10 |
| GNUdru | pressing the next button now | 15:11 |
| GNUdru | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libav-extra/+bug/1193394 | 15:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1193394 in libav-extra (Ubuntu) "Upgrade of package failed in Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02" [Undecided,New] | 15:15 |
| smartboyhw | OK. | 15:16 |
| GNUdru | oh i should add the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:20 |
| GNUdru | deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise main | 15:23 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, don't post it here!!!! | 15:23 |
| smartboyhw | Post it in the bug (as an attachment)... | 15:23 |
| GNUdru | i did already | 15:23 |
| GNUdru | not as an attachment but in the description | 15:23 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, I want the WHOLE sources.list. | 15:24 |
| GNUdru | okay the bug is updated with the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:28 |
| GNUdru | smartboyhw: ^ | 15:30 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, you removed the PPAs? | 15:31 |
| GNUdru | sorry smartboyhw i was aftk and just returned. Yes I'd removed them since you'd mentioned that could be the problem, but that didn't change the error message | 15:49 |
| GNUdru | i'm thinking i must have conflicting sources | 15:49 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, hmm. | 15:50 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, actually, why did you enable proposed? | 15:50 |
| smartboyhw | It wasn't the determining factor but. | 15:50 |
| GNUdru | i don't recall, but i could disable it | 15:50 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, please do. | 15:52 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, now I don't know what the problem is.... | 15:52 |
| GNUdru | i | 15:52 |
| GNUdru | i'm looking for where to disable proposed | 15:52 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, Software properties | 15:52 |
| GNUdru | okay, done | 15:53 |
| GNUdru | still saying | 15:55 |
| GNUdru | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libswscale-extra-2: Depends: libavutil-extra-51 (>= 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.19, libavutil-extra-51 (<< 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1-99) but 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1 is installed | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, the problem is that there should be no .19, no -99 ............................ | 15:56 |
| smartboyhw | That's the weirdest depedencies. | 15:56 |
| GNUdru | maybe its a typo? | 15:58 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, can't be. | 15:59 |
| GNUdru | don | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | It is completely wrong.. | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, any ideas? Seriously? ^ | 15:59 |
| GNUdru | don't the package maintainers ever make typos like that? | 16:00 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, but when I look at this package there's no typo. | 16:00 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, did you run sudo apt-get update after removing ppa and -proposed? | 16:00 |
| GNUdru | no because i removed them through the gui | 16:01 |
| GNUdru | should i now? | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, run it. | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | You must. | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | Using gui doesn't mean it will run it for you. | 16:01 |
| GNUdru | running now... | 16:02 |
| GNUdru | done | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | GNUdru, retry. | 16:02 |
| GNUdru | still get: | 16:06 |
| GNUdru | dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5900 package 'libswscale-extra-2': | 16:06 |
| GNUdru | `Depends' field, reference to `libavutil-extra-51': version contains ` ' | 16:06 |
| GNUdru | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) | 16:06 |
| GNUdru | any guesses zequence? | 16:20 |
| GNUdru | i don't need video right now, so if I could just remove it I would so that I can have my ability to install/uninstall/upgrade back | 16:22 |
| GNUdru | ah, but i guess its audio (which I DO need) not just video | 16:25 |
| GNUdru | I tried to remove completely libswscale-extra-2 with synaptic but it won't remove it and it won't repair it. I'm stuck | 16:30 |
| GNUdru | i should say that the specific library is video which i don't need right now (and if i could figure a way to remove it I would) but when I try to remove it, other libraries get involved and some of them are audio which i DO need | 16:43 |
| GNUdru | it appears that there is no way to fix this via Synaptic | 16:44 |
| GNUdru | and i'm limited in my cli skills and knowledge | 16:45 |
| GNUdru | i'm stuck | 16:47 |
| GNUdru | if anyone has input, please post it and even if i'm aftk for awhile i'll get it. Thanks ahead of time. | 16:48 |
| GNUdru | looks like if no one has any more ideas i'll just have to reinstall. :-( | 17:56 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I have set my version of ubuntustudio-menu to rpopose a merge. I don't know if I am allowed to review my own work and do the merge or not. | 20:38 |
| OvenWerks | You can add me as a reviewer and I will do the merge if that is ok. | 20:39 |
| GNUdru | I reinstalled U.S. 12.04.2 since couldn't solve the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libav-extra/+bug/1193394 | 21:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1193394 in libav-extra (Ubuntu) "Upgrade of package failed in Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02" [Undecided,New] | 21:24 |
| OvenWerks | For those interested in how the new menu meta works: | 22:17 |
| OvenWerks | http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html | 22:17 |
| OvenWerks | If you have viewed this page before... try refresh :) | 22:18 |
| OvenWerks | madeinkobaia: I don't know how to open the PM in this irc client | 22:27 |
| madeinkobaia | OvenWerks: No worries, it was for not disturb the main conversation here, I finalize a banner for our social networks, I would like to have your opinion, same for the other here, its on my g+ profile now : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089 | 22:32 |
| madeinkobaia | Its a new version, really different from the previous I show here last time. | 22:33 |
| OvenWerks | It certainly works for me | 22:34 |
| OvenWerks | The cut COF looks even more like the old tape reels. | 22:35 |
| OvenWerks | Ah, because it is reverse bg to fg colours. | 22:36 |
| OvenWerks | That is a neat effect. | 22:36 |
| madeinkobaia | Thanks a lot for the feedback Len. If any else have the time, feel free to take a look. | 22:47 |
| madeinkobaia | OvenWerks: You told me about a need for create an icon who suggested the port on KDE, you can tell me more by mail if you want... | 22:51 |
| OvenWerks | madeinkobaia: ok, I will but it may be a while. I am getting the menu finished and released right now. Then I have the settings package to make match that :) | 22:52 |
| zequence | hi everyone | 22:52 |
| OvenWerks | Hello | 22:53 |
| zequence | midsummers eve today | 22:53 |
| zequence | big thing in Sweden | 22:53 |
| OvenWerks | solstice | 22:53 |
| zequence | yeah | 22:53 |
| zequence | we just call it midsummer | 22:53 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: how do I answer a PM in irssi? | 22:53 |
| OvenWerks | does /msg work? or is that just a one line thing? | 22:54 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: It's just like a channel. If you PM someone, or someone PMs you, it'll show up as a different channel | 22:54 |
| zequence | try /query | 22:54 |
| zequence | or, /query <nick> | 22:55 |
| OvenWerks | ok. I'll have to play with it. | 22:56 |
| OvenWerks | yup that works but he is gone and we did it in channel anyway. | 22:57 |
| OvenWerks | next time I will know, thanks | 22:59 |
| OvenWerks | actually, should you ever need it... /query -networkname nick | 23:00 |
| OvenWerks | irssi tries to fill in the networkname for you though | 23:00 |
| * OvenWerks is on two networks. | 23:01 | |
| zequence | OvenWerks: As far as merges go, I think it's just about if you're a team member or not. Since our changes are not uploads, and past commits are retrievable, I suppose we have the freedom to mess up things. | 23:02 |
| OvenWerks | Ok, so I can just do the merge then | 23:02 |
| OvenWerks | The package has been built and tested. | 23:04 |
| OvenWerks | lintian seems reasonably happy with it too | 23:04 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: if the branch is owned by ubuntustudio-dev, or that team has the right to upload, then yes | 23:04 |
| OvenWerks | I will. | 23:05 |
| zequence | I mean, push | 23:05 |
| zequence | I'll look forward to trying the package out | 23:05 |
| OvenWerks | There are some screen shots.. link above and in an email I just sent. | 23:06 |
| zequence | I think from the user point of view, it is one of the strong features of Ubuntu Studio right now | 23:06 |
| zequence | the custom menu, taht is | 23:06 |
| OvenWerks | I think that and adding a meta installer would be a good combo | 23:07 |
| zequence | Yeah, we need to add some features to the ubiquity installer | 23:07 |
| OvenWerks | There seem to be people on LAU who would be interested. | 23:07 |
| OvenWerks | Yes that too, but I was thinking of something that could be run on an all ready installed system | 23:08 |
| zequence | you mean like Precise? | 23:09 |
| zequence | adding missing metas? | 23:09 |
| zequence | or, the ones that didn't exist back then | 23:09 |
| OvenWerks | I mean like kubuntu/lubuntu/etc. | 23:09 |
| OvenWerks | other flavours | 23:09 |
| OvenWerks | After -menu and -settings is all done I will look at that... if something else doesn't pop up | 23:10 |
| zequence | well, I think if we can get more than one DE workable, we add those as choices in the ubiquity installer | 23:11 |
| zequence | but, it'll be just having the choice of installing one or more of ubuntustudio-deskop* | 23:11 |
| zequence | the user may want to use more than one | 23:12 |
| zequence | and they should all be able to coexist | 23:12 |
| zequence | so, first of all, we need to look at assembling the metas | 23:12 |
| zequence | like: ubuntustudio-desktop-kde, ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome | 23:13 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 23:13 |
| zequence | and probably have those depend on corresponding ubuntustudio-default-settings-kde, ubuntustudio-default-settings-gnome | 23:13 |
| zequence | unless you can just add any existing DE, with our menu, artwork and settings | 23:14 |
| OvenWerks | Any of the ubuntustudio stuff install at ISO install time should be done by ubiquity. | 23:14 |
| OvenWerks | I think/hope we can have the -settings coexist in one package. | 23:14 |
| zequence | I've still not looked into the details, but I'm assuming a separate session must exist for the "ubuntustudio" DE | 23:14 |
| zequence | one for XFCE, one for KDE, one for Gnome, etc | 23:15 |
| OvenWerks | Kubuntu doesn't | 23:15 |
| OvenWerks | but we would need one for each of our de sessions | 23:15 |
| zequence | default artwork? | 23:15 |
| OvenWerks | I think we should see if we can get rid of the plain xfce session. | 23:16 |
| zequence | yes, I agree | 23:16 |
| OvenWerks | kubuntu does not have a KDE session for example. | 23:16 |
| OvenWerks | Art work can be default. | 23:17 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know if it would be a great idea to have a different default for each DE or not. Should be do-able though | 23:17 |
| zequence | I guess each DE has its own problems, and those need to be solved separately to some extent | 23:18 |
| zequence | It's great that you've been able to make the menu work for all the "menu based" DEs | 23:19 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, I learned a lot. There are some parts of the standard that some DEs don't follow | 23:19 |
| OvenWerks | <exclude> is not universal for example. | 23:20 |
| OvenWerks | it doesn't work in lubuntu or gnome/cinnamon/etc. | 23:21 |
| zequence | is that a freedesktop thing? | 23:21 |
| OvenWerks | but works there does work in xfce and KDE. | 23:21 |
| OvenWerks | <Exclude> is an official element on the freedesktop website | 23:22 |
| zequence | ok, too bad Gnome and LXDE are not supporting that then | 23:23 |
| OvenWerks | I had to use <And><Or> and <Not> | 23:23 |
| OvenWerks | I suspect creating something to parse menu files and all the possible merge files correctly is not easy. | 23:25 |
| zequence | It's not good that they all seemingly follow the same standard, but one is not supporting the other | 23:26 |
| zequence | the same menus should work in all of them | 23:26 |
| OvenWerks | Ya. I don't know how much testing they do. | 23:27 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know how wise it is to have more than one way of doing the same thing either | 23:27 |
| OvenWerks | Maybe XDG should just have one way of including/excluding items | 23:28 |
| OvenWerks | Just use the one everyone supports. | 23:28 |
| zequence | just had the weirdest bug. Not sure which application caused it. My left mouse button was unusable, until I had closed down the malfunctioning application. Could have been nautilus or evince | 23:34 |
| zequence | Ctrl+Q for most applications, to quit, but for evince, Ctrk+W | 23:34 |
| zequence | Ctrl+W* | 23:34 |
| zequence | I have a google alert for "Ubuntu Studio" among other things | 23:36 |
| zequence | this is what I got today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlSvPh2sRvU | 23:36 |
| zequence | pretty groovy, once you get further into the song | 23:37 |
| OvenWerks | I'll have to listen to it in another DE. I havn't got audio working in lubuntu. | 23:43 |
| OvenWerks | There is no pavucontrol even though PA is running | 23:43 |
| OvenWerks | PA was trying to use hw:0 | 23:46 |
| OvenWerks | hw:0 is what I use for midi | 23:46 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: just install it, if it's not there. and from the terminal: pavucontrol | 23:47 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, I did. | 23:47 |
| zequence | weird | 23:47 |
| OvenWerks | I think what happened is that lubuntu comes with out pulse, but our meta pulled it in... maybe with the pa-jack bridge | 23:48 |
| zequence | alsa would do that, but pulse usually doesn't show stuff that doesn't at least do stereo audio | 23:48 |
| OvenWerks | It is not midi only, it is just all I use it for so it has none of its outputs connected | 23:48 |
| zequence | did you reboot in between? | 23:49 |
| OvenWerks | no | 23:49 |
| zequence | that could be it | 23:49 |
| OvenWerks | Soon as I installed pavucontrol and turned hw:0 off I had sound. | 23:49 |
| OvenWerks | Anyway, whichever metas has the pa-jack bridge in it should also have pavucontrol in it. | 23:52 |
| zequence | some kind of PA mixer anyway | 23:54 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, kde has it's own. Maybe unity/gnome does too. | 23:55 |
| zequence | getting late. 2am. be back tomorrow :) | 23:55 |
| OvenWerks | GN | 23:55 |
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