[10:47] <stochastic> So I'd like to pose a question to the group:  What advantage will the next version of Ubuntu Studio bring to users?
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Hey DarkEra 
[14:52] <GNUdru> I've got a problem I don't know how to solve with my Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02 that just occurred in the past few hours.  When I go to do my normal upgrade i get the following message: see http://pastebin.com/btJGJzEP
[14:52] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw 
[14:52] <GNUdru> when i went into the file /var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5900 package 'libswscale-extra-2 i see....
[14:52] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, report bug first.
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Using ubuntu-bug libavutil-extra-51.
[14:53] <GNUdru> Depends: libavutil-extra-51 (>= 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.19, libavutil-extra-51 (<< 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1-99), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~)
[14:53] <smartboyhw> I think I need to propose SRU for this...
[14:53] <GNUdru> the error said: `Depends' field, reference to `libavutil-extra-51': version contains ` '
[14:53] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, made sure you copy it correctly...
[14:53] <smartboyhw> I mean the Depends line.
[14:54] <GNUdru> i don't understand what it's trying to say to me or how to fix it.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, I know how to fix.
[14:54] <GNUdru> I tried to remove completely libswscale-extra-2 with synaptic but it just keeps giving this same error message.  I don't know how to work around it, so i'm stuck.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> I do need a sponsor for this though, uh oh...
[14:55] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, ah no.
[14:55] <GNUdru> smartboyhw: that was a direct copy and paste so it should be 100% accurate
[14:55] <smartboyhw> ubuntu-bug libswscale-extra-2
[14:55] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, ^ run it.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> in terminal.
[15:00] <GNUdru> smartboyhw: okay i'm entering it now.  what do you think a good summary would be?
[15:00] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, now I came to thought of it (when looking at the packaging): Your errors doesn't make sense...
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Did you enable any extra PPA?
[15:01] <GNUdru> yes i have a few
[15:01] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, find the PPA that has libav-extra in it and remove it...
[15:01] <GNUdru> how do i figure that out smartboyhw?
[15:02] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, go to the Launchpad page of that PPA.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, or rather, paste me your /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Let me find it for you.
[15:03] <GNUdru> i looked and it seems i only have two (related) PPAs turned on, so i guess it must be them.
[15:05] <GNUdru> https://launchpad.net/~gnuzilla-team/+archive/ppa
[15:05] <GNUdru> icecat
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Not the problem it seems...
[15:06] <smartboyhw> s/problem/this PPA/
[15:06] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Not the this PPA it seems..."
[15:06] <GNUdru> do you think i should finish inputing the bug?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, sure.
[15:07] <GNUdru> what would you suggest for a summary smartboyhw?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, "my upgrade of package failed in Ubuntu 12.04.2""
[15:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, better ideas? ^
[15:08] <GNUdru> should i say Ubuntu or Ubuntu studio?
[15:09] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, Ubuntu Studio .
[15:10] <GNUdru> so this is what i've got: "upgrade of package failed in  Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02"
[15:11] <GNUdru> pressing the next button now
[15:15] <GNUdru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libav-extra/+bug/1193394
[15:16] <smartboyhw> OK.
[15:20] <GNUdru> oh i should add the contents of  /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:23] <GNUdru> deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise main
[15:23] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, don't post it here!!!!
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Post it in the bug (as an attachment)...
[15:23] <GNUdru> i did already
[15:23] <GNUdru> not as an attachment but in the description
[15:24] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, I want the WHOLE sources.list.
[15:28] <GNUdru> okay the bug is updated with the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:30] <GNUdru> smartboyhw: ^
[15:31] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, you removed the PPAs?
[15:49] <GNUdru> sorry smartboyhw i was aftk and just returned.  Yes I'd removed them since you'd mentioned that could be the problem, but that didn't change the error message
[15:49] <GNUdru> i'm thinking i must have conflicting sources 
[15:50] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, hmm.
[15:50] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, actually, why did you enable proposed?
[15:50] <smartboyhw> It wasn't the determining factor but.
[15:50] <GNUdru> i don't recall, but i could disable it
[15:52] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, please do.
[15:52] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, now I don't know what the problem is....
[15:52] <GNUdru> i
[15:52] <GNUdru> i'm looking for where to disable proposed
[15:52] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, Software properties
[15:53] <GNUdru> okay, done
[15:55] <GNUdru> still saying 
[15:55] <GNUdru> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libswscale-extra-2: Depends: libavutil-extra-51 (>= 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.19, libavutil-extra-51 (<< 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1-99) but 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1 is installed
[15:56] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, the problem is that there should be no .19, no -99 ............................
[15:56] <smartboyhw> That's the weirdest depedencies.
[15:58] <GNUdru> maybe its a typo?
[15:59] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, can't be.
[15:59] <GNUdru> don
[15:59] <smartboyhw> It is completely wrong..
[15:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, any ideas? Seriously? ^
[16:00] <GNUdru> don't the package maintainers ever make typos like that?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, but when I look at this package there's no typo.
[16:00] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, did you run sudo apt-get update after removing ppa and -proposed?
[16:01] <GNUdru> no because i removed them through the gui
[16:01] <GNUdru> should i now?
[16:01] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, run it.
[16:01] <smartboyhw> You must.
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Using gui doesn't mean it will run it for you.
[16:02] <GNUdru> running now...
[16:02] <GNUdru> done
[16:02] <smartboyhw> GNUdru, retry.
[16:06] <GNUdru> still get: 
[16:06] <GNUdru> dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5900 package 'libswscale-extra-2':
[16:06] <GNUdru>  `Depends' field, reference to `libavutil-extra-51': version contains ` '
[16:06] <GNUdru> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[16:20] <GNUdru> any guesses zequence?
[16:22] <GNUdru> i don't need video right now, so if I could just remove it I would so that I can have my ability to install/uninstall/upgrade back
[16:25] <GNUdru> ah, but i guess its audio (which I DO need) not just video
[16:30] <GNUdru> I tried to remove completely libswscale-extra-2 with synaptic but it won't remove it and it won't repair it.  I'm stuck
[16:43] <GNUdru> i should say that the specific library is video which i don't need right now (and if i could figure a way to remove it I would) but when I try to remove it, other libraries get involved and some of them are audio which i DO need
[16:44] <GNUdru> it appears that there is no way to fix this via Synaptic
[16:45] <GNUdru> and i'm limited in my cli skills and knowledge
[16:47] <GNUdru> i'm stuck
[16:48] <GNUdru> if anyone has input, please post it and even if i'm aftk for awhile i'll get it.  Thanks ahead of time.
[17:56] <GNUdru> looks like if no one has any more ideas i'll just have to reinstall.  :-(
[20:38] <OvenWerks> zequence: I have set my version of ubuntustudio-menu to rpopose a merge. I don't know if I am allowed to review my own work and do the merge or not.
[20:39] <OvenWerks> You can add me as a reviewer and I will do the merge if that is ok.
[21:24] <GNUdru> I  reinstalled U.S. 12.04.2 since couldn't solve the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libav-extra/+bug/1193394
[22:17] <OvenWerks> For those interested in how the new menu meta works:
[22:17] <OvenWerks> http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html
[22:18] <OvenWerks> If you have viewed this page before... try refresh :)
[22:27] <OvenWerks> madeinkobaia: I don't know how to open the PM in this irc client
[22:32] <madeinkobaia> OvenWerks: No worries, it was for not disturb the main conversation here, I finalize a banner for our social networks, I would like to have your opinion, same for the other here, its on my g+ profile now : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089
[22:33] <madeinkobaia> Its a new version, really different from the previous I show here last time.
[22:34] <OvenWerks> It certainly works for me
[22:35] <OvenWerks> The cut COF looks even more like the old tape reels.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> Ah, because it is reverse bg to fg colours.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> That is a neat effect.
[22:47] <madeinkobaia> Thanks a lot for the feedback Len. If any else have the time, feel free to take a look. 
[22:51] <madeinkobaia> OvenWerks: You told me about a need for create an icon who suggested the port on KDE, you can tell me more by mail if you want...
[22:52] <OvenWerks> madeinkobaia: ok, I will but it may be a while. I am getting the menu finished and released right now. Then I have the settings package to make match that :)
[22:52] <zequence> hi everyone
[22:53] <OvenWerks> Hello
[22:53] <zequence> midsummers eve today
[22:53] <zequence> big thing in Sweden
[22:53] <OvenWerks> solstice
[22:53] <zequence> yeah
[22:53] <zequence> we just call it midsummer
[22:53] <OvenWerks> zequence: how do I answer a PM in irssi?
[22:54] <OvenWerks> does /msg work? or is that just a one line thing?
[22:54] <zequence> OvenWerks: It's just like a channel. If you PM someone, or someone PMs you, it'll show up as a different channel
[22:54] <zequence> try /query 
[22:55] <zequence> or, /query <nick>
[22:56] <OvenWerks> ok. I'll have to play with it.
[22:57] <OvenWerks> yup that works but he is gone and we did it in channel anyway.
[22:59] <OvenWerks> next time I will know, thanks
[23:00] <OvenWerks> actually, should you ever need it... /query -networkname nick
[23:00] <OvenWerks> irssi tries to fill in the networkname for you though
[23:01]  * OvenWerks is on two networks.
[23:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: As far as merges go, I think it's just about if you're a team member or not. Since our changes are not uploads, and past commits are retrievable, I suppose we have the freedom to mess up things. 
[23:02] <OvenWerks> Ok, so I can just do the merge then
[23:04] <OvenWerks> The package has been built and tested.
[23:04] <OvenWerks> lintian seems reasonably happy with it too
[23:04] <zequence> OvenWerks: if the branch is owned by ubuntustudio-dev, or that team has the right to upload, then yes
[23:05] <OvenWerks> I will.
[23:05] <zequence> I mean, push
[23:05] <zequence> I'll look forward to trying the package out
[23:06] <OvenWerks> There are some screen shots.. link above and in an email I just sent.
[23:06] <zequence> I think from the user point of view, it is one of the strong features of Ubuntu Studio right now
[23:06] <zequence> the custom menu, taht is
[23:07] <OvenWerks> I think that and adding a meta installer would be a good combo
[23:07] <zequence> Yeah, we need to add some features to the ubiquity installer
[23:07] <OvenWerks> There seem to be people on LAU who would be interested.
[23:08] <OvenWerks> Yes that too, but I was thinking of something that could be run on an all ready installed system
[23:09] <zequence> you mean like Precise?
[23:09] <zequence> adding missing metas?
[23:09] <zequence> or, the ones that didn't exist back then
[23:09] <OvenWerks> I mean like kubuntu/lubuntu/etc.
[23:09] <OvenWerks> other flavours
[23:10] <OvenWerks> After -menu and -settings is all done I will look at that... if something else doesn't pop up
[23:11] <zequence> well, I think if we can get more than one DE workable, we add those as choices in the ubiquity installer
[23:11] <zequence> but, it'll be just having the choice of installing one or more of ubuntustudio-deskop*
[23:12] <zequence> the user may want to use more than one
[23:12] <zequence> and they should all be able to coexist
[23:12] <zequence> so, first of all, we need to look at assembling the metas
[23:13] <zequence> like: ubuntustudio-desktop-kde, ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome
[23:13] <OvenWerks> yes
[23:13] <zequence> and probably have those depend on corresponding ubuntustudio-default-settings-kde, ubuntustudio-default-settings-gnome
[23:14] <zequence> unless you can just add any existing DE, with our menu, artwork and settings
[23:14] <OvenWerks> Any of the ubuntustudio stuff install at ISO install time should be done by ubiquity.
[23:14] <OvenWerks> I think/hope we can have the -settings coexist in one package.
[23:14] <zequence> I've still not looked into the details, but I'm assuming a separate session must exist for the "ubuntustudio" DE
[23:15] <zequence> one for XFCE, one for KDE, one for Gnome, etc
[23:15] <OvenWerks> Kubuntu doesn't
[23:15] <OvenWerks> but we would need one for each of our de sessions
[23:15] <zequence> default artwork?
[23:16] <OvenWerks> I think we should see if we can get rid of the plain xfce session.
[23:16] <zequence> yes, I agree
[23:16] <OvenWerks> kubuntu does not have a KDE session for example.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> Art work can be default.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> I don't know if it would be a great idea to have a different default for each DE or not. Should be do-able though
[23:18] <zequence> I guess each DE has its own problems, and those need to be solved separately to some extent
[23:19] <zequence> It's great that you've been able to make the menu work for all the "menu based" DEs
[23:19] <OvenWerks> Ya, I learned a lot. There are some parts of the standard that some DEs don't follow
 is not universal for example.
[23:21] <OvenWerks> it doesn't work in lubuntu or gnome/cinnamon/etc.
[23:21] <zequence> is that a freedesktop thing?
[23:21] <OvenWerks> but works there does work in xfce and KDE.
 is an official element on the freedesktop website
[23:23] <zequence> ok, too bad Gnome and LXDE are not supporting that then
[23:23] <OvenWerks> I had to use <And><Or> and <Not>
[23:25] <OvenWerks> I suspect creating something to parse menu files and all the possible merge files correctly is not easy.
[23:26] <zequence> It's not good that they all seemingly follow the same standard, but one is not supporting the other
[23:26] <zequence> the same menus should work in all of them
[23:27] <OvenWerks> Ya. I don't know how much testing they do.
[23:27] <OvenWerks> I don't know how wise it is to have more than one way of doing the same thing either
[23:28] <OvenWerks> Maybe XDG should just have one way of including/excluding items
[23:28] <OvenWerks> Just use the one everyone supports.
[23:34] <zequence> just had the weirdest bug. Not sure which application caused it. My left mouse button was unusable, until I had closed down the malfunctioning application. Could have been nautilus or evince
[23:34] <zequence> Ctrl+Q for most applications, to quit, but for evince, Ctrk+W
[23:34] <zequence> Ctrl+W*
[23:36] <zequence> I have a google alert for "Ubuntu Studio" among other things
[23:36] <zequence> this is what I got today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlSvPh2sRvU
[23:37] <zequence> pretty groovy, once you get further into the song
[23:43] <OvenWerks> I'll have to listen to it in another DE. I havn't got audio working in lubuntu.
[23:43] <OvenWerks> There is no pavucontrol even though PA is running
[23:46] <OvenWerks> PA was trying to use hw:0
[23:46] <OvenWerks> hw:0 is what I use for midi
[23:47] <zequence> OvenWerks: just install it, if it's not there. and from the terminal: pavucontrol
[23:47] <OvenWerks> Ya, I did.
[23:47] <zequence> weird
[23:48] <OvenWerks> I think what happened is that lubuntu comes with out pulse, but our meta pulled it in... maybe with the pa-jack bridge
[23:48] <zequence> alsa would do that, but pulse usually doesn't show stuff that doesn't at least do stereo audio
[23:48] <OvenWerks> It is not midi only, it is just all I use it for so it has none of its outputs connected 
[23:49] <zequence> did you reboot in between?
[23:49] <OvenWerks> no
[23:49] <zequence> that could be it
[23:49] <OvenWerks> Soon as I installed pavucontrol and turned hw:0 off I had sound.
[23:52] <OvenWerks> Anyway, whichever metas has the pa-jack bridge in it should also have pavucontrol in it.
[23:54] <zequence> some kind of PA mixer anyway
[23:55] <OvenWerks> Ya, kde has it's own. Maybe unity/gnome does too.
[23:55] <zequence> getting late. 2am. be back tomorrow :)
[23:55] <OvenWerks> GN