[00:13] <w30> nagev, dconf editing will usually make things stick
[00:15] <w30> nagev, download dconf-tools and use dconf-editor to change things
[00:16] <dunpeal> What are Xubuntu's plans regarding Wayland / Mir?
[00:17] <Unit193> Generally to wait and see, depends on what upstream does.
[00:17] <nagev> w30: i have it installed already.  i think you are responding to a conversation of yesterday.  but thank you.
[00:22] <karen_> hi, I HAD some pics on my camera and plugged them into my computer, xubuntu, of which I'm new at. I couldn't transfer them over to the computer for some reason even though the computer said it was plugged in. Now, my camera isn't showing any pics at all even when I tried to take one a minute ago. So, normally, I guess, on the left side in "home", it would say I had something there, but when I went to look, it didn't show anything. Maybe
[00:22] <karen_>  my camera did something weird. What do you think? I have been talking on the "Ubuntu" channel, but they couldn't help me.
[00:36] <w30> nagev, ahh, my bad; I forgot to clear text.
[00:46] <w0lfsen> Hello, I have installed Xubutu just now and I cannot get the sound running. Intel onboard HDA soundcard. ALSA mixer is all high up. Had the same problem with ubutu. :(. Help would be greatly appreciated!
[00:47] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: Xubuntu doesn't use ALSA; it uses PulseAudio.
[00:50] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, oh okay. So how do I start that? Sorry first time linux user
[00:51] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: It should be started with lightdm-gtk-greeter (the login screen)
[00:51] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: But head for Settings Manager and see if anything is in there that says "Sound"
[00:52] <dunpeal> Unit193: cool, thanks.
[00:53] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, interesting, there is no sound option. But I can click on the sound icon in the upper right corner
[00:53] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: There should be a "Sound Settings" menu item under that icon
[00:55] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, yeah, and I have see it before when I installed xubuntu the first time. Now, it is gone. Very weird
[00:55] <w0lfsen> but I can click on sound setting through the icon on top of the screen
[00:56] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, this is my sound card btw: Conexant CX20588
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Hmm...
[00:58] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, found the driver online. Let me see if I can install it
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[00:59] <w0lfsen> nope build failed it says :(
[01:00] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: Does it say what happened?
[01:01] <w0lfsen> http://pastebin.com/B0sx7wjM
[01:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Pastebin the contents of /tmp/alsa-driver-linuxant.3511.log (and please use http://paste.ubuntu.com ; it really gets rid of clutter)
[01:03] <w0lfsen> will do!
[01:04] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5785488/
[01:05] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, Thanks for your help! Greatly appreciated. Love how Xubuntu looks and would like to switch permanently to it! But without sound and such...
[01:05] <SonikkuAmerica> w0lfsen: Hope you enjoy it! Hmm... It seems that a certain C header is missing for your kernel.
[01:05] <SonikkuAmerica> !kernel
[01:06] <SonikkuAmerica> There's not really a reason to compile a kernel though, but I'm surprised that they didn't update this C header correctly.
[01:07] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, okay what are my options now?
[01:07] <SonikkuAmerica> You might try filing a bug on Launchpad (http://launchpad.net), or searching "xubuntu conexant" on Google or your fav search engine.
[01:07] <w0lfsen> I have a uncle who does Kernel programming and publishes books about that...I however have no freaking idea :)
[01:13] <w0lfsen> this is annoying... ;(
[01:16] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica,  found  this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1171181
[01:18] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, my dispatcher is also set to no. But I cannot change it. I cannot save it with the commandline yes
[01:18] <w0lfsen> SonikkuAmerica, [insert] I have no idea what I am doing meme O_o
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I don't think that's what you're looking for. I have to go, but Google around and ask tomorrow.
[03:47] <Ari-Yang> Hi, seeing how thunar is the default FM on xubuntu, thought it'd be better to ask here. Is thunar lighter than file managers like nemo and nautilus?
[03:48] <holstein> Ari-Yang: try it in the live CD and see for yourself.. i think you will find it lighter, with arguably comrpomised features
[03:49] <Ari-Yang> oh, I'm not looking to install xubuntu, I'm thinking about installing thunar on ubuntu
[03:50] <holstein> Ari-Yang: sure.. .dont install anythingll just fire up a live CD with thunar on it, and see for yourself.. otherwise, as i said, you'll likely find it lighter..
[03:50] <Ari-Yang> alrighty, thanks for the input
[03:50] <Ari-Yang> :>
[03:53] <Ari-Yang> quick question, does thunar have a 'Recycle Bin'?
[03:54] <Ari-Yang> or are things deleted permanently?
[03:56] <heoyea> theres a trashcan on the side
[03:57] <Ari-Yang> kk
[05:44] <samy_> hello all
[05:44] <samy_> u can give me link
[05:44] <samy_> for xubunto intel 64 bits?
[05:44] <samy_> please
[05:44] <samy_> i can find
[05:45] <samy_> please help
[05:47] <baizon> samy_: yes i can
[05:48] <baizon> samy_: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[05:48] <baizon> there chose 64-bit system
[05:57] <truman41> Hello i just wonder why firefox work in live mode but not when you install ubuntu and xubuntu and the best fix for it
[06:03] <samy_> baizon
[06:04] <samy_> hei
[06:04] <samy_> hey
[06:04] <samy_> i can find intel in 64 bits
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[06:06] <bazhang> its amd64, same thing
[06:06] <baizon> samy_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/258452/is-there-a-64bit-version-of-ubuntu-13-04-for-intel-cpus
[06:06] <baizon> samy_: its not Intel CPU its the technology. AMD researched the 64 bit technology, thats why its called amd 64
[06:07] <samy_> i use intel cpu
[06:07] <samy_> and need xubuntu for 64 bit
[06:07] <samy_> I can not find my way
[06:07] <baizon> samy_: please read the link i posted
[06:09] <samy_> "64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop image" is also for intel platform"
[06:09] <baizon> yes
[06:10] <samy_> very good
[06:10] <samy_> thank you baizon
[06:10] <baizon> np
[08:39] <xubuntu195> Hello, I am using xubuntu 12.10 and when i start my computer it does not boot. I have to switch it off from the button, and when I turn it on again, the second time it boots ok? What is the problem and what do I have to do? Thanks
[08:42] <TheSheep> what is the error?
[08:52] <xubuntu195> the error is that i always have to switch on my pc two times otherwise it does not start
[08:53] <Noskcaj> xubuntu195, that seems to be a hardware or bios issue, not a xubuntu issue
[08:54] <TheSheep> xubuntu195: but what it is the error message that you have displayed when it fails to boot?
[08:57] <xubuntu195> Thank you <Noskcaj> and <the sheep> for your answers. There is no error message, the first time when I switch it on, it is loading for a few seconds and then it stops with black screen. No message or anything...Then I  turn it off and the second time, everything is ok within a few seconds. The same problem appears on two laptops with xubuntu 12.10, so I do not thin its a bios or a hardware problem..
[08:58] <TheSheep> xubuntu195: without any message it's hard to tell what may be happening
[08:58] <Noskcaj> xubuntu195, strange. does the laptop POST?
 what do you mean POST?
[09:01] <Noskcaj> xubuntu195, Power-On Self Test. all PCs run this as they first turn on. A screen with the manufacturer's logo or some text appears if it is successful.
[09:02] <xubuntu195> yes it does POST
, yes it does POST
[09:04] <Noskcaj> ok. i'm out of ideas then
[09:05] <xubuntu195> thank anyway
[10:16] <xubuntu816> hello
[10:16] <xubuntu816> somebody help me
[10:19] <krytarik> !ask | xubuntu816
[12:09] <vulpes> how do i create xorg.conf in xubuntu 12.10?? :)
[13:14] <MikeHauk53> Hello
[13:14] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, greetings
[13:15] <MikeHauk53> I am trying to install Xubuntu and have the torrent file downloaded. What I do with it?
[13:16] <acerimmer> !md5sum|MikeHauk53,
[13:16] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, first check that you got a got torrent as per the instructions above.  Then make a usb or cdrom with startup disk creator or some other tool.
[13:17] <MikeHauk53> With the torrent on it?
[13:18] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, the torrent should have downloaded an ISO file.  THAT's the file you'll be working with form here on ... NOT the "torrent".  torrent is only the method used to obtain the iso.
[13:19] <MikeHauk53> Okay, thanks
[13:20] <acerimmer> !install|MikeHauk53, once you have your bootable media, run the live session, go forth and sin no more.
[13:20] <MikeHauk53> Alright. I appreciate the help.
[13:21] <acerimmer> MikeHauk53, best of luck.  come back and share your impressions or ask questions.
[13:21] <MikeHauk53> Will do.
[13:54] <mr_chris> Today I learned that the message indicator applet stopped working in 12.10. Is this a GTK2 vs GTK3 issue? Is there a way to install the old version from 12.04?
[14:01] <ChevyCowboy15> hello
[14:01] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Welcome
[14:02] <ChevyCowboy15> thank you
[14:02] <Distrot> Greetings! Has anybody found some apps (Firefox, Chrome, etc.) to be unstable in Xubuntu, or is it just me?
[14:02] <ChevyCowboy15> thats what i was about to ask
[14:03] <Distrot> Really? lol
[14:03] <ChevyCowboy15> my vmware stopped working after the update this morning
[14:03] <bgardner> Distrot: Nope, I run Xubuntu for my day job and it's nothing but stable.  What kind of issue are you having?
[14:03] <Distrot> I'll have Firefox or Chromium open, not doing anything special and they'll suddenly crash.
[14:04] <Distrot> Or I'll have Software Center open and it will also crash.
[14:04] <ChevyCowboy15> im having unusually slow logins with apps through errors
[14:04] <Distrot> The crash reports also seem to crash (apport?)
[14:05] <bgardner> Nothing like that on my end, no.  Any clues in your logs?
[14:06] <Distrot> Like I said, the reports also spurn more crashes, so I can't really get more info unfortunately.
[14:06] <ChevyCowboy15> im searching through mine now
[14:06] <Distrot> Just wondering if it is a relatively common issue.
[14:06] <Distrot> Which it seems to be, lol.
[14:06] <bgardner> Distrot: Well, that's relative.
[14:06] <Distrot> Albeit with variation.
[14:07] <Distrot> I'm just at the point where I want to like Xubuntu, but it's making it difficult.
[14:08] <bgardner> Distrot: As with anything your own experiences may vary, but I am completely satisfied with the stability of Xubuntu.
[14:08] <Distrot> I understand that. Just wonder why it has to be me, lol.
[14:08] <bgardner> Distrot: Did you move from one of the other *buntu flavors and are now experiencing problems?
[14:09] <bgardner> Distrot: And can you give us anything else to help you besides "crashes" - any messages, behaviors or anything?
[14:09] <Distrot> Well, not really. I have Ubuntu on a few other machines; I've tried Linux Mint on a machine; and have generally used a few other distros, but I wouldn't say I've "moved".
[14:10] <bgardner> Distrot: I'm only talking about the specific machine you are having issues with.  I'm trying to find out if you have had anything happen that might have contributed to your issue.
[14:11] <bgardner> Distrot: It's relatively common, as in my own case, to install Ubuntu and then switch that installation to Xubuntu, for example.
[14:11] <Distrot> Oh, I see. This machine has had Ubuntu on it, yes.
[14:11] <Distrot> I tried Xubuntu since I am trying to make this an HTPC.
[14:11] <Distrot> Running XBMC
[14:12] <Distrot> I figured a lighter (hopefully stable) OS would be appropriate for this relatively lower-end machine.
[14:12] <bgardner> Distrot: And did you have problems with Firefox crashing under Ubuntu?  Or did you not spend time trying that out before switching?
[14:13] <bgardner> Distrot: Also, you said "Firefox, Chrome, etc" - what do you mean when you say "etc"?  What other apps are giving you trouble?
[14:13] <Distrot> Oh, I spent the time, lol. There were few crashes in Ubuntu, but there were some - mostly with Software Center. I attributed this somewhat to the relatively sluggish performance though, and thus tried Xubuntu which performs quite well in terms of speed.
[14:14] <Distrot> Ubuntu Software Center, XBMC has crashed once (so far), and that's about it. I don't use much else on this machine, but the few things I use I would like to be reliable.
[14:14] <Distrot> I also use Transmission (sparingly) and Teamviewer, but not as frequently as the browser or XBMC.
[14:15] <bgardner> Distrot: Any other clues you can give?  What exactly is the message you get at the time of the crash?  Is the message *identical* between the one for Firefox and the one for Chrome?
[14:15] <Distrot> Hmm, let me see if I can jog my memory. One sec, por favor.
[14:17] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: "vmware stopped working" - what message are you getting?  I use VirtualBox myself so I may be less useful to you than others, but I can try.
[14:17] <ChevyCowboy15> hold on ill run it again and get the message
[14:19] <ChevyCowboy15> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786892/
[14:20] <Distrot> Hmm, well, Chromium's crash simply attributed the problem as a bug derived from the source of the executable (usr/lib...chromium)
[14:23] <Distrot> I would give more info, but I think Mousepad is about to crash... lol.
[14:24] <ChevyCowboy15> ok my vmware problem is due to the mesa-libGL updates this morning
[14:25] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: You found something?
[14:25] <Distrot> About to run those updates myself.
[14:25] <Distrot> Mousepad still being obstinate.
[14:25] <bgardner> Distrot: Do you have any specific logs or errors yet?  It's super hard to debug from just the phrase "<application> keeps crashing"
[14:26] <ChevyCowboy15> yeah in the logs there is something about function (NULL) error in the mesa/libGL.so
[14:27] <ChevyCowboy15> and i updated like 4 libgl1-mesa files
[14:27] <ChevyCowboy15> so thats got to be it for the vmware
[14:28] <ChevyCowboy15> i dont know what to do about it but atleast now i know that problem
[14:28] <Distrot> Trying to open crash log in AbiWord.
[14:28] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: You make me nervous, I have not yet installed those yet.
[14:28] <ChevyCowboy15> lol sorry
[14:28] <Distrot> I just installed them and Firefox is still running, so (doesn't mean anything but...) lol.
[14:29] <ChevyCowboy15> im not having problems with google chrome <---- just wanted to throw that out there
[14:29] <ChevyCowboy15> now if i can just figure out the slow login stuff
[14:30] <Distrot> OK so I got the Apport crash log open in AbiWord and it says "Title: apport-gtk crashed with OSError in _read_eof(): CRC check failed 0x603aa2831= 0x4766b9f5
[14:30] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15, Distrot: I don't think your two issues are related at all.  I haven't heard anything yet that would lead me to believe they have anything in common.
[14:30] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Slow login like long pause of quite system, or do you have thrashing?
[14:31] <Distrot> I don't think so either.
[14:31] <bgardner> Distrot: That's not good.  paste.ubuntu.com your dmesg output.
[14:31] <Distrot> My logins are remarkably fast. I don't think this machine has ever booted this quickly in its life.
[14:31] <bgardner> *quiet system
[14:31] <ChevyCowboy15> when i input password and enter.... i have original background and mouse movement for literally 5 min before anything bars pop up
[14:32] <Distrot> Ok is AbiWord problematic as well? I:ve never used it, but it's stuck at 81% trying to open this crash report....
[14:32] <Distrot> It's slowing down my entire system right now.
[14:32] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Sounds like timeouts to me.  Search your dmesg/logs for name resolution errors or other timeouts.
[14:32] <bgardner> Distrot: It sounds to me like your HDD has issues.  Which would account for all of your symptoms.
[14:32] <Distrot> My Swap is at 99%
[14:33] <bgardner> Distrot: Also a bad sign.
[14:33] <Distrot> I ran tests on the HDD and they passed though. I mean, that doesn't rule the HDD out, it just makes it unlikely as the sole culprit.
[14:33] <bgardner> Distrot: Try: 'dmesg | pastebinit', and paste the resulting URL here
[14:34] <Distrot> Okee doke, one sec, por favor.
[14:34] <Distrot> Lol... it's frozen.
[14:34] <ChevyCowboy15> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786939/
[14:35] <Distrot> Let me try closing some apps... if it lets me.
[14:36] <Distrot> I might have to do a cold shutdown...
[14:37] <Distrot> The Task Manager I had open says CPU: 100% Memory: 90% Swap: 100% and hasn't changed in sometime (could be frozen as well)
[14:38] <Distrot> Alright, I'm going to restart. I think I've wasted enough of your time with useless information.
[14:39] <bgardner> Distrot: Go ahead, would have helped a lot to see dmesg before rebooting, but it sounds like it will refill to me.
[14:39] <Distrot> Sorry, I'm not sure when the system would have loosened up to the point where it would have... whoa...
[14:40] <Distrot> No python boot menu and some crash related messages at start up, but it booted xfce fine...
[14:40] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Still looks to implicate VMware
[14:40] <ChevyCowboy15> yeah thats kind of what i was thinking
[14:40] <ChevyCowboy15> i think on the login it gets hung on some vmware process
[14:40] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Your big pause is followed by VMWare messages.  Do you have VMWare-specific logs?
[14:41] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Agreed.  You might see if there is a VMWare IRC on freenode.  I'm sure they would be more helpful than I am.
[14:41] <bgardner> Distrot: As soon as you reasonably can, do 'dmesg | pastebinit'
[14:41] <Distrot> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786955/
[14:44] <ChevyCowboy15> thanks for the help isolating my problem
[14:45] <bgardner> ChevyCowboy15: Certainly, good luck with it!
[14:45] <tabsterleir> Hey all, I have a small issue with Xubuntu 13.04 x64. I've fixed my video tearing on screen 1 with this http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/xfce-sync-to-vblank-support-for-xfwm.html and I extend my display using arandr to a HDMI monitor. Unfortunately vsync doesn't seem to work on screen 2. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[14:45] <Distrot> ChevyCowboy15: I honestly don't know much about this, but you mind telling me which video drivers you have currently in use?
[14:46] <bgardner> Distrot: Leave a terminal ready to do 'dmesg | tail -n 100 | pastebinit'.  With that standing by, open a couple applications until someone weirds out and crashes.  Then go hit enter on that command.
[14:46] <Distrot> Oops, nvm.
[14:46] <Distrot> Ok, one sec.
[14:47] <Distrot> Hmm, that's weird, lol. XBMC won't start.
[14:48] <Distrot> Just a black screen.
[14:48] <Distrot> No HDD activity, no response to window switching/app quitting...
[14:49] <bgardner> Distrot: Pretty sure you have a pervasive hardware issue that is causing all of these unrelated issues.
[14:50] <Distrot> I mean, I've done some pretty extensive testing though...
[14:50] <Distrot> You're thinking HDD?
[14:50] <Distrot> I'm going to restart again.
[14:51] <bgardner> Distrot: Probably HDD, yes.  Let me put it this way: I've seen this happen to me in the past, and every time it's a controller, motherboard, ratty memory chip or (most often) a dying HDD.
[14:53] <bgardner> Distrot: You've named 5 different apps that crashed, then described a system that hung twice inside half an hour, plus a swap consumption of 99%.  Yeah, I'm thinking hardware.
[14:53] <Distrot> Well, I already isolated a bad memory stick and removed it... I ran some HDD tests with UBCD, and it came up with no errors, so. I don't know exactly what is left to isolate at this point except motherboard (which you can't really...) or a controller, like you said.
[14:53] <Distrot> The wallpaper didn't load when I booted this time... lol... wth.
[14:55] <Distrot> Should I even bother progress this diagnostic any further?
[14:56] <bgardner> Distrot: I'd boot a Live USB and surface-scan the HDD, if it were me.
[14:56] <bgardner> Distrot: Then do a memtest.
[14:56] <Distrot> Surface-scan?
[14:57] <bgardner> badblocks
[14:57] <bgardner> Or fsck -c -c /dev/devicename
[14:57] <Distrot> What would you use to do it though?
[14:57] <Distrot> Oh ok, thanks.
[14:58] <Distrot> Well, I'll still  be around if you care to hear my problems anymore, lol. If not, I appreciate all of your assistance.
[14:58] <bgardner> Distrot: Certainly, good luck!
[15:03] <wolf29_> Cursor is not visible over some program windows; skype, system monitor, sqlitebrowser
[15:04] <wolf29_> I have xfce desktop, most of the xubuntu desktop environment, kde.  Original install was of UbuntuStudio
[15:58] <Distrot> Hey bgardner, you still there?
[15:58] <bgardner> Distrot: I am
[15:58] <Distrot> Hey, sorry to bother again.
[15:59] <Distrot> I ran fsck and it came back clean.
[15:59] <bgardner> Distrot: Did you include the -c -c parameters like I mentioned?
[15:59] <Distrot> Also ran memtest and it also found nothing.
[16:00] <Distrot> No actually, I had to look up how to do it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1518426&page=4
[16:00] <Distrot> The live CD was telling me the drive was currently in use and I wasn't sure why it wouldn't run it since I had "umount"ed it.
[16:01] <Distrot> So I tried looking it up and forgot about your -c -c suggestion.
[16:01] <bgardner> Distrot: Hm.  Yes, the Live CD pretty aggressively mounts the partitions it sees.
[16:02] <bgardner> Distrot: Well, without those options it would skip the surface test, which is faster and usually will be fine but in your case I would say it really is recommended.
[16:02] <Distrot> Despite my dismounting the drive, it wouldn't fsck it unless I did it by partition.
[16:02] <bgardner> Distrot: "Did it by partition" ?
[16:03] <Distrot> I could run fsck by partition, so "/dev/sda1" or "/dev/sda2" or "/dev/sda5"
[16:07] <bgardner> Distrot: In a Live CD environment and at a terminal do 'sudo umount /dev/sda1' followed by 'sudo e2fsck -f -c -c /dev/sda1'.  That should dismount the partition so you can check it.  Repeat the two commands for each of your partitions.
[16:07] <bgardner> Distrot: How large are the partitions?
[16:08] <Distrot> Personally, I didn't partition the drive, so I think it's set to some default values but I'll give you an actual number in a sec.
[16:09] <bgardner> Distrot: A while back you said you replaced a memory stick.  Did you do that after you installed Xubuntu, or before?
[16:15] <Distrot> I didn't replace one, I just removed one. But, I think I've reinstalled twice or so since then, so I don't think it matters, lol.
[16:16] <Distrot> It says my /dev/sda1 isn't mounted
[16:18] <bgardner> Distrot: Then move to the e2fsck line for /dev/sda1 before the live CD mounts it on you.  :P
[16:19] <Distrot> Ok, sorry, lol.
[16:20] <Distrot> Ok, it's running.
[16:20] <Distrot> *phew* lol
[16:20] <Distrot> I'm actually hoping it finds something.
[16:20] <Distrot> I just want something tangible to blame, lol.
[16:23] <Distrot> Does it usually take a long time?
[16:24] <bgardner> Distrot: Depends on the size of the partition, but a surface scan definitely can take a while.
[16:33] <chocobo600> hola
[16:35] <SonikkuAmerica> !es | chocobo600
[16:38] <chocobo600> ok, muchas gracias
[16:38] <SonikkuAmerica> chocobo600: Es mejor preguntar en #ubuntu-es
[17:20] <ni393662> join #ubuntu
[17:24] <nikolam> I have 2 xubuntu installs, 32bit with 512 and 768MB RAM.
[17:25] <nikolam> On both, Firefox behaves like this: It use as much memory as can during surfing (it is only app started) and after that whole machine freezes.
[17:25] <nikolam> 12.04 lts on both.
[17:26] <torax> do you have swap ?
[17:26] <nikolam> that one with 512MB has swap disabled and it obvioiusly get to be clocked by firefox sooner then on 768MB with swap
[17:27] <nikolam> facebook and pages with large amount of pictures are killers. Also, it seems like it is not releaseing all possible RAM when closing tabs or something
[17:27] <bazhang> it's surprising it runs at all
[17:28] <nikolam> on that one with 768/swap I can manage to kill it and it behaves like that after long sufr and many tabs. On 512/no swap, even 3-4 tabs can choke it.
[17:28] <torax> I'd use midori or luakit
[17:28] <bazhang> and lubuntu
[17:28] <nikolam> xubuntu uses just 140MB on boot to xfce here.
[17:29] <nikolam> must also have something to do with talks about mozilla is leaking RAM. but it IS surprise, one can loose control over desktop/computer because of an App using all RAM and CPU
[17:30] <bazhang> not really
[17:31] <bazhang> being able to boot is far different from being able to reasonably  use a computer system
[17:31] <nikolam> must be something with linux overcommiting ram. I would feel better if APP would say: "no more ram".
[17:31] <nikolam> and linux would say: thats it, no more for you.
[17:31] <bazhang> or you expect way too much from such a minimal ram system
[17:32] <nikolam> bazhang, well,. I gess using firefox in 512MB ram was the thing I would always say: it should work.
[17:32] <nikolam> but...
[17:33] <bazhang> even One Gigabyte is going to be slow
[17:33] <bazhang> try lxde/openbox and a different browser
[17:33] <nikolam> ok bazhang
[17:33] <bazhang> lubuntu-desktop
[17:39] <torax> firefox will hog memory, no matter what desktop
[17:39] <bazhang> I have 4 gig, and it sometimes crawls even with that
[17:40] <nikolam> bazhang, on 64bit or on 32bit
[17:40] <bazhang> that wont make a difference nikolam
[17:40] <bazhang> everything is PAE these days
[17:41] <bazhang> !pae
[17:41] <bazhang> yeah thats outdated
[17:42] <mr_chris> torax, Lately I've found it's been pretty good about memory.
[17:42] <mr_chris> Been running it for days on end and am only at a little over 600 MB.
[17:42] <nikolam> I also found this: /etc/sysctl.conf  vm.overcommit_memory = 2 vm.overcommit_ratio = 80  Turns off overcommiting RAM (so that application does not "think" there is more RAM then actually is)
[17:43] <mr_chris> Of course, I use noscript. If I remember correctly, the memory leak problems from days of old were due to problems with JavaScript.
[17:43] <nikolam> will try also that, and report back
[17:43] <nikolam> of course, noscript and flashblock are a must on any system I use.
[17:46] <nikolam> bazhang, it is also troublesome to me that ubuntu is installing both regular and PAE kernel, and
[17:46] <nikolam> but nevermind.
[17:47] <nikolam> (if mchine can have 2G memory max anyway, it don't need PAE)
[17:57] <nikolam> well nice, with that vm.overcommitratio things, xfce feezes on log-in
[19:16] <goddard> for some reason i can't access anything outside
[19:17] <xubuntu232> Im trying to install Xubuntu 13.04 onto a new 64GB USB thumb drive, it's the only drive in my system at the moment. It seems to be hung while trying to create an ext4 file system on the drive. Any ideas what to do???
[19:17] <goddard> but i can request data from my computer after setting a static ip
[19:17] <goddard> is there some additional step i should set up?
[19:17] <bgardner> goddard: Do you have a DHCP server on your network?
[19:18] <goddard> bgardner: yes
[19:18] <bgardner> goddard: Can you ping IP addresses on the internet?
[19:18] <xubuntu232> I can't copy and paste the output from the errer that has additional details.
[19:19] <goddard> bgardner: nope
[19:19] <goddard> bgardner: but i can ssh to the box using the static ip and I can also access it via port 80
[19:20] <goddard> bgardner: i have another system using ubuntu-server and it has the same network interfaces file except the static ip is different of course
[19:20] <goddard> bgardner: it can ping google.com
[19:20] <bgardner> goddard: Did you set a default route on the new box?
[19:21] <bgardner> goddard: Put another way, what is your gateway?
[19:22] <goddard> bgardner: i set the gateway the same on both boxes
[19:22] <bgardner> goddard: And can the box with the issue ping the gateway?
[19:23] <goddard> bgardner: yep
[19:23] <bgardner> Okay, can you ping your ISP's DNS server?
[19:24] <bgardner> goddard: ^
[19:24] <goddard> bgardner: yep
[19:25] <bgardner> goddard: Can you ping 74.125.225.208?
[19:25] <goddard> yep
[19:28] <goddard> :D
[19:30] <bgardner> goddard: What is the output of 'host www.google.com'?
[19:43] <goddard> bgardner: no servers could be reached
[19:43] <bgardner> goddard: Is this an ubuntu desktop or server?
[19:46] <goddard> bgardner: its xubuntu
[19:46] <bgardner> goddard: Ok, then could you do 'nm-tool | pastebinit' and give us the URL?
[19:49] <goddard> bgardner: http://pastebin.com/DKGm4ad2
[19:50] <bgardner> goddard: Oh.  Allright, then how about 'cat /etc/network/interfaces | pastebinit' instead?
[19:55] <bgardner> goddard: Still with us?