[09:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:31] <AlanBell> morning
[09:33] <AlanBell> ooh, I am using llvmpipe :(
[09:34] <AlanBell> that will be my CPU useage problem then
[09:37] <AlanBell> [ 99452.162] (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so: undefined symbol: xorgMir
[09:37] <AlanBell> Mir. hmm.
[09:39] <mungbean> no drivers on this windows machine work OOTB
[09:40] <AlanBell> yeah, that is the thing about windows, nobody sees the hardware enablement and driver problem so they think it doesn't exist in Windows
[09:41] <AlanBell> Ubuntu is massively better at just working
[09:41] <mungbean> yeah, most def does
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: is that saucy?
[09:41] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yeah
[09:41] <AlanBell> and possibly ppa of mir stuff that I thought I had removed
[09:41] <mungbean> if you aren't getting vendor support for your windows machine, you're screwed
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> So.. X apps won't work anymore?
[09:42] <AlanBell> X works fine (because it isn't using the intel hardware driver)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> so it's slow?
[09:42] <AlanBell> just a bit sluggish and high CPU/battery use
[09:42] <AlanBell> and I get hot fingers
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> objdump -x /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so | grep -i mir
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> nothing found
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> it's your PPA :)
[09:43] <AlanBell> returns nothing for me
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[09:43] <AlanBell> Mir
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> strings ?
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> grep -i == case-insensitive
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> strings /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so | grep -i mir
[09:43] <AlanBell> yeah, just spotted that, still returns nothing
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> hmm..
[09:44] <AlanBell> strings  /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so | grep -i Mir
[09:44] <AlanBell> that returns stuff, 10 lines or so
[09:44] <Laney> stuck on a train at grantham station
[09:44] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5789187/
[09:44] <jacobw> Grantham isn't the place to be
[09:44] <jacobw> What's going on with Mir?
[09:44] <Laney> indeed
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I have 2:2.21.9-0ubuntu2
[09:45] <AlanBell> xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.21.9-0ubuntu2+xmir5862~saucy1
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> so anyway
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> Mir runs on top of X now?
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> I thought it was supposed to *replace* i?
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> t
[09:46] <mungbean> ahhh ninite ftw
[09:47] <AlanBell> I have no clue
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: for Windows, yes!
[09:47] <AlanBell> I think it is more X running on top of Mir
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> as long as everything is accelerated
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> and steam keeps working
[09:48] <Laney> the passengers are turning
[09:48] <Laney> we've been here for 25 minutes already
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> Laney: ?
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> ah.. train
[09:49] <Laney> aye
[09:54] <AlanBell> yay \o/ I have a fast cool desktop
[09:54] <AlanBell> and low CPU in both unity and gnome-shell
[09:55] <AlanBell> and cooler fingers \o/
[09:55] <brobostigon> :)
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/*
[09:57] <DJones> Heh, just watching the Lions v Australia prematch comments, the ususual crowd of well known sportspeople etc wishing them good luck, as far as I remember, only one of them said their name before wishing them good luck, Hi, I'm David Beckham and I'd like to wish the lions good luck.
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> DJones: have to promote your brand, man!
[09:57] <DJones> Why the need to to tell people who he is?
[09:57] <DJones> MartijnVdS: He has a brand?
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> DJones: lots of things are sold with his name on it
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> DJones: sports goods, perfumes, etc.
[09:58] <AlanBell> hmm, well of all the things that make me think Beckham is a bit of a prat, that comes fairly low on the list :)
[09:58] <DJones> MartijnVdS: I guess it teaches people what products to avoid then
[09:59] <DJones> AlanBell: Yeah, but the list of things that make people think he's a prat is very long
[10:06] <AlanBell> unity is looking pretty nice in saucy at the moment (now that it runs fast)
[10:06] <jacobw> Hi, I'm David Beckham and I approve of this commerical
[10:06] <jacobw> AlanBell: Is that with Mir?
[10:06] <jacobw> I'm considering testing Saucy and F19 today
[10:06] <AlanBell> no, not with mir
[10:07] <AlanBell> top bar shadow disappears when you zoom in \o/
[10:07] <AlanBell> which is considerably better than getting detached and wandering down the screen
[10:07] <funkyHat> haha
[10:07] <jacobw> That bug has been around in 12.04 at least
[10:08] <AlanBell> I still want the top bar to match the launcher and dash with chamelion colours
[10:08] <AlanBell> and menus and indicators
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> it's now harder to disable the global menu
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> :(
[10:09] <AlanBell> I am a bit disappointed that there are not innovative menu renderings
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> I've also disabled the dash, because it hurts my brain
[10:10] <AlanBell> I thought that getting everything to publish menus through one api would mean that we would have circular right click menus and voice control and touch enhanced menu thingies
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> uh not the dash
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> the HUD
[10:10] <AlanBell> which might happen on the phone at some point
[10:10] <AlanBell> ah, lets test the hud bug #1
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> ?
[10:11]  * AlanBell starts virtualbox . . .
[10:13] <AlanBell> :( single press of alt or super when in a guest gets trapped by the host still
[10:17] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: It only affects Malaysia now
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> sure but what is "hud bug 1"
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> ...
[10:34] <AlanBell> I think the first bug of hud is that it steals alt from VMs
[10:44] <mungbean> i forgot the HUD existed
[10:48] <czajkowski> Myrtti: you about ?
[10:48] <AlanBell> I really like the HUD for web applications
[10:48] <christel> she may still be in tallin
[10:48] <AlanBell> well actually I would like full dbusmenu integration for web applications
[10:48] <czajkowski> christel: oh you're here also
[10:48] <christel> she went off for some midsummer celebrations, im not sure if she has returneth yet or whether she is still partying it up in estonia :)
[10:48] <Myrtti> czajkowski: intermittently, I'm on a boat
[10:49] <czajkowski> Myrtti: tis ok will poke christel
[10:49] <czajkowski> was re freenode :)
[10:49] <Myrtti> can still see the coast
[10:49] <czajkowski> nice
[10:49] <Myrtti> christel: puss och kram
[10:49] <christel> PUSS OCH KRAM! \o/
[11:15] <mungbean> touchpad driver for windows...guess how many MB
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: 25
[11:15] <mungbean> 98
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> w.. t.. f..
[11:16] <mungbean> i dunno whats in it
[11:16] <mungbean> i just want scroll area
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> the largest Xorg input driver is 100k
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> add in the configuration panel is 30k
[12:24] <MooDoo> hello all
[12:33] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[12:33] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:42] <alistair> can i get help here regarding a wifi issue? thanks
[12:43] <AlanBell> what is the problem?
[12:43] <ali1234> ಠ_ಠ
[12:43] <AlanBell> heh, I am guessing a very short lived connection :)
[12:43] <MooDoo> lol
[12:44] <bigcalm> Maybe it's the issue that caused the client to quit
[12:44] <popey> pIP PIP!
[12:45] <popey> WELL THIS IS ODD
[12:45] <popey> bah
[12:45] <popey> turn caps lock on, on laptop, plug into docking station, internal and external keyboard now out of sync
[12:46] <ali1234> yeah this is one of the many reasons people hate X11 and want to replace it
[12:46] <pr0ph3t> ubuntu embarassing moments: you're showing off your ubuntu box to your mates. You go into the lock screen and the showoff is over, it looks horrible!
[12:47] <ali1234> what do you mean?
[12:47] <pr0ph3t> someone suggested I should not use it, but I do so
[12:47] <ali1234> what is wrong with the lock screen?
[12:48] <pr0ph3t> ugly and not customisable
[12:48] <ali1234> well you can blame gnome for the latter part of that
[12:48] <ali1234> i think it looks ok though
[12:48] <popey> the lock screen?
[12:48] <ali1234> i mean what do you want it to look like?
[12:48] <popey> the grey box asking for your password?
[12:48] <AlanBell> with your wallpaper in the background?
[12:48] <popey> ya
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> yes popey, more like the gnome-shell one for instance ali1234
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell: the wallpaper is there at least! :-)
[12:49] <ali1234> for me it looks exactly like the gnome shell one?
[12:49] <popey> i didnt realise there was a difference
[12:50] <ali1234> even down to the bar at the top which looks exactly like it's from gnome shell
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> gnome-shell uses a dsark grey background with a cool design and to unlock the screen you have to pull-up the window from the bottom (for touch devices I guess, but works with pointer too)
[12:50] <ali1234> ugh that thing
[12:50] <ali1234> i forgot about that
[12:51] <popey> not seen that
[12:51] <pr0ph3t> I'm not saying it should be like that necessarily
[12:51] <pr0ph3t> but a grey box with a white line across?
[12:51] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBmZeZTb5tQ
[12:53] <ali1234> i assume by "white line" you mean the place where you type in the password?
[12:53] <pr0ph3t> ali1234: exactly
[12:53] <ali1234> failure to follow the system theme for text input boxes should be a capital offense
[12:54] <pr0ph3t> indeed
[12:55] <pr0ph3t> to use the one on AlanBell's link you'd have to install gnome-shell and gdm and lots of other stuff you never use, just so the lockscreen is different
[12:55] <ali1234> probably just gdm actually
[12:56] <pr0ph3t> ali1234: I tried some time ago and you do need gnome-shell at the very least
[12:56] <pr0ph3t> for the thing to look like on the video
[13:00] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/lock.jpg is what yours looks like right?
[13:03] <pr0ph3t> yes AlanBell
[13:03] <AlanBell> I imagine it will stay like that until the phone swirly thing arrives with Mir
[13:04] <Laney> yeah we just use gnome-screensaver for that
[13:04] <pr0ph3t> fair, I'm on 13.10, so I'm looking forward to trying Mir
[13:04] <AlanBell> Laney: for the current one? not the phone thing?
[13:04] <Laney> right
[13:04] <Laney> unity 8 Changes Everything™
[13:04] <AlanBell> again \o/
[13:05] <pr0ph3t> eeheh
[13:05] <Laney> well, I'm not actually sure that it does this particular thing but I assume so
[13:05] <popey> s/unity/lightdm/
[13:06] <AlanBell> the swirly thing is lightdm?
[13:07] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell: it might be something different altogether
[13:07] <pr0ph3t> utouchdm or similar
[13:10] <pr0ph3t> touchscreen changes everything tm
[13:11] <AlanBell> still waiting for my cheap high resolution ARM powered touchscreen laptop
[13:14] <pr0ph3t> it'll be sometime before I get a touchscreen device I think. Apart from my gnote II that is. Can't wait to try utouch on it!
[13:15]  * popey looks around at all the touchscreen devices
[13:16] <popey> not sure I'll get a touch laptop anytime soon
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> even if I'm getting one, I doubt I'll be using the touch bit
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> I like my screen to be clean
[13:16] <pr0ph3t> popey it looks like they'll all be touch screen soon enough
[13:16] <MooDoo> I think I'll stick with a non touch laptop, can't see me ever using a touch one.
[13:17] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo: what if it is a laptop that becomes a tablet if you detach the screen
[13:17] <AlanBell> I would be quite tempted by a Nexus 10 plus keyboard if it ran Ubuntu
[13:18] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: i wouldn't buy one like that.
[13:18] <AlanBell> chromebook pixel looks nice but is £££
[13:18] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[13:19] <AlanBell> yeah, Ubuntu Desktop though
[13:19] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo: ok, but they are coming up with so many different solutions that eventually you'll find one to suit you, and it will likely be a touch device
[13:20] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: we'll have to see :D
[13:20] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell: I quite like what I'v
[13:20] <AlanBell> at some point I suspect that the Nexus 10 will run normal applications, but that probably requires the gtk/Mir integration
[13:20] <pr0ph3t> *what I've seen of ubuntu touch so far
[13:21] <AlanBell> and I am not entirely convinced that is going to happen, Gnome don't want it, Canonical don't need it if core apps are QML
[13:24] <AlanBell> should work via xmir though
[13:35] <pr0ph3t> as anyone tried Mir and Unity 8? Are they even available at the moment? I have seen a video of a guy trying them, but I think it was only a demo
[13:37] <AlanBell> there is a weekly status report https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-June/037377.html
[13:37] <AlanBell> I tried it when it was announced, it didn't do much
[13:38] <AlanBell> as far as I know it isn't in use on the phone platform yet
[13:41] <ali1234> soooooooooo
[13:42] <ali1234> has anyone ever tried to use SDL2 GameController API with steam big picture on linux?
[13:42] <ali1234> it looks like it would make my life about 10 million times easier, if it actually works that is
[13:43] <ali1234> sam lantinga says "The easiest way to do this is to run Steam and configure the controller  in Big Picture and then poke around the config files to find the  configuration string and add it to SDL. "
[13:43] <ali1234> does anyone have any idea what he's talking about?
[13:46] <pr0ph3t> ali1234: I do not play games that need a controller unfortunately, I only ever use mouse and keyboard
[13:47] <pr0ph3t> although the belkin/razer nostromo is tempting and I might buy it one day
[13:47] <ali1234> well i found the joystick config pages so thats something
[13:48] <ali1234> in big picture mode
[13:48] <ali1234> no idea how to add it to SDL though
[13:48] <ali1234> pr0ph3t: how do you play arcade games?
[13:50] <pr0ph3t> ali1234: I never do, I'm into rpg/mmo games
[13:50] <pr0ph3t> hence the nostromo
[13:56] <pr0ph3t> do you reckon BitchX will become popular again?
[13:56] <pr0ph3t> since they restarted development I mean and dealing with the security issues
[14:02] <ali1234> hmm SDL reads this gamecontroller stuff from an environment variable... which is nice
[14:02] <ali1234> i wonder if it supports multiple joysticks at the same time though
[14:37] <mungbean> is there anything dodgy about an amazon seller selling an old wii game for 43p+£2p&p?
[14:43] <mgdm> I can't think what it'd be
[14:45] <Azelphur> in bash, if I run a command like "sudo top", will $! be the PID of top, or the PID of sudo?
[14:46] <mgdm> sudo
[14:46] <Azelphur> ah, how do I make it get the pid of top instead?
[14:46] <mgdm> All I can think of would be pgrep
[14:46] <Azelphur> fun
[14:47] <mgdm> though I wonder if there's a way to get sudo to output that somehow
[14:48] <mgdm>        Upon successful execution of a program, the exit status from sudo will simply be the
[14:48] <mgdm>        exit status of the program that was executed.
[14:49] <mgdm> ooops
[14:49] <mgdm> irrelevant paste \o/
[14:51] <mgdm> Azelphur: Apparently, $! will be the PID of sudo, and you can feed that to 'ps --ppid' to find out about its children?
[14:51] <Azelphur> fun
[15:00] <ali1234> cool i have multiple joypad support working
[15:21] <ali1234> hmm with SDL 2.0 it should be really easy to make rumble work
[16:25] <penguin42> anyone else use Npower - they've sent me a letter saying they're having problems and can't send me a bill at the moment
[16:27] <pr0ph3t> unformat: myth or reality?
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: in DOS? that sometimes worked, if you quickformatted the floppy disk
[16:28] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS: unfortunately I might need it now, in Ubuntu, after 2 formats though I think the stuff is long gone
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: you can sometimes rescue files with photorec
[16:28] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: It depends what you meant by 'format'
[16:29] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: If you just nuked the partition table it's probably rescuable, if you did something more then - well.... it depends
[16:30] <pr0ph3t> thank you MartijnVdS. penguin42 I used gparted to rewrite the partition table joining several other partitions first. Then after a few weeks I rewrote the partition table from scratch and created one ext4 and one swap partition
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> mkfs is the breaker
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> also mkswap
[16:31] <penguin42> yeh that's likely to have nuked it
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> but it shuold be possible to recover some of the data
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> (the bits that aren't in the same spot as superblocks)
[16:32] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: It depends on your new/old partition layouts - if you can find the old partition layout (there are some tools) then you might have enough left of the superblock to rescue stuff - but it's much less likely after making an fs on top
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> heh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Zc1rsGFJI
[16:33] <pr0ph3t> he old partition layout was a mess
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> (SFW)
[16:34] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: Possibly good :-)
[16:35] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: There's some things that search the entire disk for superblocks of filesystems
[16:36] <pr0ph3t> sounds promising then
[16:37] <pr0ph3t> penguin42: do you know where I could start? As in what program
[16:39] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: 'testdisk' sounds promising - not tried it
[16:39] <mgdm> testdisk is great, though I'm not sure if it can do the superblock thing
[16:40] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[16:40] <penguin42> pr0ph3t: seems to be in the repo
[16:41] <pr0ph3t> penguin42, mgdm, MartijnVdS thank you!
[16:55] <Azelphur> Hmm, did a ubuntu update and now my bumblebee has broken, any ideas?
[16:55] <Azelphur> I did replace the old config files, but I thought they don't have to be changed from the defaults
[16:56] <Azelphur> I get odd behaviour, if I run an application using primusrun, I get a black screen which goes away if I switch tty, but gl apps crash
[17:22] <marsilainen> hi all; just installed 13.04 ubuntu-gnome onto my machine (clean install, had previously been running 12.04) and for some reason my keyboard is mapped wrongly
[17:22] <marsilainen> it auto-detected UK keyboard during install (and that's what it is set to in the settings) but the keys are all mapped as though it's a US keyboard
[17:22] <marsilainen> not sure what to try?
[17:23] <marsilainen> my keyboard worked fine with12.04
[17:23] <marsilainen> keyboard is Logitech K520
[17:24] <marsilainen> hmm, if I switch to a text console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) then the keys are mapped correctly there
[17:24] <marsilainen> so maybe this is a gnome-shell problem?
[17:24] <marsilainen> keys are mapped wrongly gnome-shell login as well as when logged in
[17:26] <penguin42> I guess it might be the x mapping, that's pretty separate from the console mapping
[17:27] <marsilainen> yeah
[17:27] <marsilainen> any idea how to check/debug ?
[17:29] <penguin42> hmm
[17:29] <marsilainen> in Xorg.0.log I see some lines like:
[17:29] <marsilainen> [    19.986] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB Receiver" (type: KEYBOARD, id 13)
[17:29] <marsilainen> [    19.986] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
[17:29] <marsilainen> [    19.986] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[17:29] <marsilainen> [    19.986] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
[17:29] <marsilainen> which sounds reasonable...
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: sure, but what is it set like in your session?
[17:30] <penguin42> I assume some part of Gnome has decided you wanted to select something else
[17:30] <marsilainen> MartijnVdS, how can I tell?
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: go to the keyboard preferences screen?
[17:31] <marsilainen> it's set to UK in there
[17:31] <marsilainen> it's the only keyboard layout listed
[17:32] <marsilainen> and clicking on it to show the keyboard diagram shows a normal UK layout
[17:36] <penguin42> marsilainen: What happens in the guest session?
[17:38] <marsilainen> I'm not sure, but I would imagine it will be the same, since it is like this even at the gdm login screen
[17:38] <marsilainen> if I type @ in the username field I get " instead
[17:39] <penguin42> I think I'd try another desktop environment and see if it followed it
[17:39] <marsilainen> sure...
[17:39] <marsilainen> I only have gnome-shell installed at the moment
[17:39] <marsilainen> I guess I could install unity and try that
[17:39] <marsilainen> how do I install unity from ubuntu-gnome?
[17:40] <marsilainen> apt-get install unity ?
[17:40] <penguin42> I think probably install ubuntu-desktop
[17:41] <marsilainen> ok, will try that
[17:45] <marsilainen> it definitely seems to be an X thing - if I run "setxkbmap gb" then it all starts working fine
[17:46] <penguin42> yeh it sounds like the gnome gui or something around it that should set  it but isn't
[17:47] <marsilainen> I think this might be it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gdm#GDM_always_uses_default_US-keyboard
[17:48] <penguin42> yeh but that looks more like a fudge around it
[17:48] <penguin42> are you using lightdm or gdm?
[17:49] <marsilainen> gdm
[17:50] <marsilainen> on ubuntu 13.04 I don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d that it talks about there
[17:50]  * penguin42 would have expected gdm to work with gnome
[17:50] <marsilainen> is it somewhere else on Ubuntu?
[17:50] <penguin42> marsilainen: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[17:50] <penguin42> marsilainen: But I'd look to see if you can fix it from gnome rather than hacking that
[17:50] <marsilainen> ah, thanks
[17:50] <marsilainen> sure
[17:50] <marsilainen> my googling hasn't turned up much yet
[17:51] <marsilainen> I'm going to give this a try for now at least
[17:51] <marsilainen> brb
[17:57] <marsilainen> ah well, that didn't work anyway...
[17:59] <ali1234> bug report it
[18:00] <penguin42> nod
[18:05] <marsilainen> if I login to unity it is the same problem
[18:05] <penguin42> what if you swap to lightdm?
[18:05] <marsilainen> but now I've switched the login to lightdm instead of gdm
[18:05] <marsilainen> and that seems to work
[18:06] <marsilainen> for gnome-shell too
[18:06] <penguin42> :-)
[18:06] <marsilainen> so it seems to be a gdm issue
[18:06] <marsilainen> I'll just use lightdm for now...
[18:06] <marsilainen> thanks for the help
[18:07] <penguin42> possibly bug 546785 (heck that's old)
[19:41] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:42] <penguin42> hey BC
[19:45] <mgdm> 'lo bigcalm
[19:45] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[19:45] <bigcalm> What's happening this evening?
[19:46] <bigcalm> mgdm: are you talking at phpnw13?
[19:46] <mgdm> bigcalm: no
[19:46] <mgdm> bigcalm: leaving that line alone for a bit while I pursue other things :-)
[19:47] <bigcalm> Still attending though?
[19:47] <mgdm> maybe
[19:47] <mgdm> I want to, just not sure if I can yet
[19:47] <bigcalm> Ah
[19:48] <bigcalm> Work has bought me a blind bird ticket. Will leave getting a hotel for a few months
[19:48] <penguin42> a what?
[19:48] <bigcalm> I want to attend oggcamp, but it's the weekend before my wedding. Might be a struggle
[19:49] <bigcalm> penguin42: heard of early bird?
[19:49] <mgdm> penguin42: blind bird is a very cheap ticket which you can get before the schedule is announced
[19:49] <mgdm> it's like a really early early bird
[19:49] <penguin42> ah I see
[19:49] <bigcalm> Though at 95 quid, is that's _very_ cheap?
[19:50] <mgdm> for a conferece of that calibre, yes
[19:50] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[19:52] <popey> evening all
[19:52] <mgdm> Hi popey
[19:54] <christel> bigcalm: sok, just move the wedding!
[19:54] <bigcalm> christel: why didn't I think of that :)
[19:54] <christel> that would be handy since you banned me from attending, move it to a better date for me/oggcamp!
[19:54] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[19:54] <christel> :D
[19:55] <bigcalm> :O
[19:55] <christel> hayley wont mind :D
[19:55] <bigcalm> Didn't ban you
[19:55] <bigcalm> :P
[19:55] <christel> you so did!
[19:56]  * bigcalm tuts
[19:57]  * christel tickles bigcalm 
[19:57] <popey> ban her!
[19:57] <bigcalm> Heh
[19:57]  * bigcalm tickles christel with puppies
[19:58] <christel> nah, i'll let you get away with it, i guess you picked your wedding date before i "picked" my due date, etc. it was very inconsiderate of me! :P
[20:06] <AlanBell> bigcalm: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n8ltp
[20:07] <bigcalm> AlanBell: LOL
[20:07] <popey> thought that might be My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding ㋛
[20:07] <bigcalm> AlanBell: what's worse is that Hayley's ex husband is an Ian
[20:07] <popey> didnt know she was previously married
[20:07] <popey> or I did and forgot
[20:08] <popey> minecraft O'clockl
[20:08] <popey> -l
[20:08] <bigcalm> \o/
[20:10]  * popey plays on home server for a bit
[20:34] <SuperEngineer> BBC News [freeview 80] now folks
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: what about it?
[20:34] <SuperEngineer> [lulsec v. anonymous]
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Channel 307 here 8-)
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> I've seen an interview with topiary
[20:35] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> last month I think, when I was in the uk
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> when he was charged(I think)
[20:36] <SuperEngineer> yup - yhis was before he was imprisoned
[20:36] <SuperEngineer> *this
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> heh, mr antivirus
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> NYANCAT
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> ON TV
[20:52] <Wobbo> Any tips? 'AMD Catalyst Control Center (Administrative)' won't work. I am using 'amdxdg-su -c amdcccle' true terminal, then i get a new terminal minal asking for my password. Then it doesn't matter if I put a richt password or not, that terminal wont show any AMD Catalyst...
[20:55] <Wobbo> I have used the logical way, 'sudo amdcccle' but that won't save any installations or anything.
[21:00] <SuperEngineer> hmmm.. that interview was intersting
[21:30] <pr0ph3t> exit