[06:42] <Kilos> hi superfly and all others
[06:43] <nlsthzn> Goeie more Suid Afrika :p
[06:43] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[06:59] <magespawn> good morning za
[06:59] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:01] <Kilos> magespawn, try member with noobs that want to install ubuntu to remind them to disconnect othe drives beforehand
[07:02] <magespawn> that is a good idea if they are not used to using a partition manager when installing
[07:03] <Kilos> and give this command to hectic if im outside maybe please
[07:03] <Kilos> sudo fsck -f /dev/sdb1
[07:03] <magespawn> that is fix the file system yes?
[07:03] <Kilos> he installed 12.04 but whole 2tb second drive is now empty
[07:04] <magespawn> ouch
[07:04] <Kilos> he said it has/had lots of data on
[07:04] <magespawn> did he try to recover it?
[07:04] <Kilos> we were looking for options last night
[07:05] <Kilos> disk utility sees it as empty
[07:05] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn 
[07:05] <Kilos> last resort will be data recovery
[07:06] <nlsthzn> my keabord works again after setting it to the right type :p
[07:06] <Kilos> i think that fsck command will sort him though
[07:06] <Kilos> lol
[07:06] <Kilos> asrab keyboard
[07:06] <Kilos> arab as well
[07:06] <magespawn> let me go scroll quickly
[07:06] <magespawn> HecticZA Kilos?
[07:07] <Kilos> ya
[07:08] <nlsthzn> nah the wrong version of US 
[07:08] <nlsthzn> :p
[07:08] <Kilos> haha
[07:43] <Kilos> so what you think magespawn ?
[07:47] <superfly> nlsthzn: your "keabord"?
[07:47] <Kilos> hehe
[08:01] <Kilos> wbb
[08:05] <magespawn> superfly you got a second?
[08:05] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[09:21] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[09:21] <Kilos> ready for monday nights meeing?
[09:24] <Vince-0> oh haai
[09:24] <Vince-0> yar
[09:24] <Kilos> good
[09:27] <HecticZA> Morning :)
[09:28] <Kilos> hi HecticZA 
[09:28] <HecticZA> Hi Kilos:)
[09:28] <Kilos> got something you can try to find the 2tb data
[09:29] <HecticZA> oh? I must just add that I took it out and connected to the Windows system and the partition is gone. I do not have sufficient  space to recover the data.
[09:29] <Kilos> open a terminal and copy paste this there
[09:30] <Kilos> we can fix it im sure
[09:30] <HecticZA> but am willing to try anything
[09:30] <HecticZA> k
[09:30] <Kilos> is there data there you need to save
[09:30] <Kilos> put the drive back first
[09:31] <HecticZA> would like to yes, but i buggered it somehow, so would not cry too many tears
[09:31] <HecticZA> I have
[09:31] <Kilos> always remember to diconnect other drives power cord when installing 
[09:31] <Kilos> we can save it im sure
[09:32] <HecticZA> k:)
[09:36] <Kilos> ubuntu has great recovery tools
[09:36] <HecticZA> ?
[09:36] <Kilos> is the drive back?
[09:36] <HecticZA> yes
[09:36] <Kilos> open terminal
[09:37] <HecticZA> ready
[09:37] <Kilos> copy paste
[09:37] <Kilos> sudo fsck -f /dev/sdb1
[09:38] <HecticZA> Im on a netbook here. let me change to the pc
[09:38] <Kilos> that should check the filesystem of the 2tb
[09:38] <Kilos> ok
[09:39] <Kilos> you can also type the command in
[09:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:41] <HecticZA> ronald@ronald-media:~$ sudo fsck -f /dev/sdb1
[09:41] <HecticZA> [sudo] password for ronald: 
[09:41] <HecticZA> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[09:41] <HecticZA> e2fsck 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
[09:41] <HecticZA> fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdb1
[09:41] <HecticZA> Possibly non-existent device?
[09:42] <Kilos> ok now
[09:42] <Kilos> this is the data recovery tools
[09:43] <Kilos> but first open that disk utility again
[09:43] <HecticZA> It is open
[09:43] <Kilos> does it see the drive?
[09:44] <HecticZA> It does
[09:44] <Kilos> tick check filesystem
[09:45] <Kilos> whats happening? ive never used this thing before
[09:46] <HecticZA> I do not see the option.  Remember there is no partition according to Linux.
[09:46] <Kilos> ok close it
[09:47] <HecticZA> I can add a partition, format and Smart data which can run tests
[09:47] <HecticZA> ok
[09:47] <Kilos> then in terminal
[09:47] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install testdisk scalpel foremost
[09:48] <Kilos> those are data recovery tools
[09:48] <HecticZA> How do I copy from this screen?
[09:48] <Kilos> oh ok
[09:48] <Kilos> ctrlc is copy
[09:48] <Kilos> ctrl+c
[09:48] <HecticZA> ah okay
[09:48] <Kilos> and ctrl+v is paste here
[09:49] <Kilos> but in the terminal it will right click paste
[09:49] <HecticZA> Yeah I know the commands, but did not realize they would work in Linux
[09:49] <HecticZA> Y
[09:49] <Kilos> ah
[09:49] <Kilos> magespawn, you here?
[09:50] <nlsthzn> wow, epic saturday for rugby...
[09:50] <Kilos> yeah nlsthzn 
[09:50] <Kilos> but late this avy
[09:50] <HecticZA> Jip nlsthzn 
[09:50] <HecticZA> Okay done Kilos
[09:51] <Kilos> ok now you gotta do evrything from cli
[09:51] <Kilos> cli=terminal
[09:51] <HecticZA> k
[09:52] <Kilos> you dont have space to let it save so youll have to untick the save block when the window opens
[09:52] <Kilos> sudo testdisk
[09:53] <HecticZA> k
[09:53] <Kilos> dont record anything is the block you need to use
[09:54] <Kilos> does it show the drive?
[09:54] <HecticZA> K. Must I enter on it now?
[09:54] <Kilos> yes
[09:55] <HecticZA> Must I paste the output? It detected both drives
[09:55] <Kilos> np lemme look what i see
[09:55] <Kilos> scroll to the 2tb
[09:55] <Kilos> and tick p[roceed
[09:56] <Kilos> proceed
[09:56] <HecticZA> K. 
[09:56] <Kilos> it takes ages with a big drive like that
[09:56] <HecticZA> Disk /dev/sdb - 2000 GB / 1863 GiB - ST2000DL003-9VT166
[09:56] <HecticZA> Please select the partition table type, press Enter when done.
[09:56] <HecticZA> >[Intel  ] Intel/PC partition
[09:56] <HecticZA>  [EFI GPT] EFI GPT partition map (Mac i386, some x86_64...)
[09:56] <HecticZA>  [Humax  ] Humax partition table
[09:56] <HecticZA>  [Mac    ] Apple partition map
[09:56] <HecticZA>  [None   ] Non partitioned media
[09:56] <HecticZA>  [Sun    ] Sun Solaris partition
[09:56] <HecticZA>  [XBox   ] XBox partition
[09:56] <HecticZA>  [Return ] Return to disk selection
[09:57] <Kilos> intel i think
[09:57] <HecticZA> Intel?
[09:57] <HecticZA> k
[09:57] <HecticZA> Disk /dev/sdb - 2000 GB / 1863 GiB - CHS 243201 255 63
[09:57] <HecticZA> >[ Analyse  ] Analyse current partition structure and search for lost partitions
[09:57] <HecticZA>  [ Advanced ] Filesystem Utils
[09:57] <HecticZA>  [ Geometry ] Change disk geometry
[09:57] <HecticZA>  [ Options  ] Modify options
[09:57] <HecticZA>  [ MBR Code ] Write TestDisk MBR code to first sector
[09:57] <HecticZA>  [ Delete   ] Delete all data in the partition table
[09:57] <HecticZA>  [ Quit     ] Return to disk selection
[09:57] <Kilos> mbr
[09:58] <HecticZA> Disk /dev/sdb - 2000 GB / 1863 GiB - CHS 243201 255 63
[09:58] <HecticZA> Write a new copy of MBR code to first sector? (Y/N) 
[09:58] <Kilos> y
[09:58] <HecticZA> I assume yes?
[09:59] <HecticZA> It tells me I must reboot
[09:59] <Kilos> ok then maybe that command will see the drive
[09:59] <HecticZA> Ok
[09:59] <magespawn> Kilos yes, bit distrcted though
[10:00] <magespawn> distracted
[10:00] <Kilos> sorry magespawn i just wanted someone to check if i give bad advice
[10:00] <magespawn> looks good so far
[10:00] <Kilos> i dunno where i put my blog on data recovery
[10:01] <Kilos> need to hunt some
[10:03] <magespawn> fish one is here with me and is on Khan Academy learning how to draw via simple code
[10:03] <Kilos> wb HecticZA 
[10:03] <HecticZA> Thx
[10:04] <Kilos> sudo fsck -f /dev/sdb1
[10:05] <HecticZA> ronald@ronald-media:~$ sudo fsck -f /dev/sdb1
[10:05] <HecticZA> [sudo] password for ronald: 
[10:05] <HecticZA> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[10:05] <HecticZA> e2fsck 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
[10:05] <HecticZA> /dev/sdb1 is mounted.  
[10:05] <HecticZA> WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***
[10:05] <HecticZA> cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.
[10:05] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[10:05] <HecticZA> Do you really want to continue<n>? 
[10:06] <Kilos> ok wait HecticZA 
[10:06] <HecticZA> sdb1 is my boot drive (80GB)
[10:06] <Kilos> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[10:06] <Kilos> wait
[10:06] <HecticZA> k
[10:06] <Kilos> the 2tb is seem as what in the disk utility
[10:07] <HecticZA> /dev/sda
[10:07] <Kilos> sdc or sda
[10:07] <Kilos> ok
[10:07] <Kilos> sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[10:08] <HecticZA> ronald@ronald-media:~$ sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[10:08] <HecticZA> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[10:08] <HecticZA> e2fsck 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
[10:08] <HecticZA> fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda1
[10:08] <HecticZA> Possibly non-existent device?
[10:08] <HecticZA> ronald@ronald-media:~$ 
[10:08] <Kilos> ok lets try another way
[10:08] <HecticZA> I do not have a sda1. I think because there is no partition?
[10:08] <Kilos> i just need to find something
[10:09] <HecticZA> k
[10:09] <Kilos> the program we want is boot-repair
[10:09] <Kilos> Maaz, google boot-repair for 12.04
[10:09] <Maaz> Kilos: "Boot-Repair - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair :: "How to Repair GRUB2 When Ubuntu Won't Boot - How-To Geek" http://www.howtogeek.com/114884/how-to-repair-grub2-when-ubuntu-wont-boot/ :: "Install Boot Repair utility in Ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04 | ITworld" http://www.itworld.com/software/319339/install-boot-repair-
[10:09] <Maaz> utility-ubuntu-1210-or-1204 :: "[boot-repair] Windows 8 / Ubuntu 12.04 dual boot problem - U…
[10:10] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update
[10:11] <Kilos> then
[10:11] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && (boot-repair &)
[10:11] <HecticZA> k
[10:12] <Kilos> in dash type in boot-repair
[10:13] <Kilos> and open it
[10:14] <HecticZA> It seems Boot repair has autorun and as I typed here options popped up and was activate while I was typing in Xchat
[10:14] <HecticZA> Boot successfully repaired.
[10:14] <HecticZA> Please write on a paper the following URL:
[10:14] <HecticZA> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5789256/
[10:14] <HecticZA> In case you still experience boot problem, indicate this URL to:
[10:14] <HecticZA> boot.repair@gmail.com or to your favorite support forum.
[10:14] <HecticZA> You can now reboot your computer.
[10:14] <Kilos> oh ya that was part of the command sorry
[10:14] <HecticZA> Will reboot. See now
[10:15] <Kilos> ok
[10:17] <Kilos> wb HecticZA 
[10:17] <HecticZA> Thx
[10:18] <Kilos> we need to know what that drives name is
[10:18] <HecticZA> disk utility?
[10:18] <Kilos> do you see it in home now
[10:19] <HecticZA> Nope. No drives there
[10:19] <Kilos> eish
[10:19] <Kilos> ok use disk utility
[10:20] <HecticZA> where do I see the name?
[10:20] <HecticZA> Is it  dev/sda?
[10:20] <Kilos> when you tick on the 2tb it will open
[10:21] <Kilos> lemme open disk utility and see
[10:22] <Kilos> ya tick on the 2tb and it opens and on the right near the top it will show
[10:22] <Kilos> next to device
[10:23] <HecticZA> /dev/sda
[10:23] <Kilos> ok
[10:23] <Kilos> you got 2 sata ports you using?
[10:24] <HecticZA> Only using one of the 2
[10:24] <Kilos> normally /sda is in the ide port
[10:24] <Kilos> oh is the 2tb an ide?
[10:25] <Kilos> or is the 80g an ide
[10:25] <HecticZA> No, it is SATA and the 80GB is ide
[10:25] <Kilos> normally the ide shows as sda
[10:26] <Kilos> anyway try the fsck command again
[10:26] <HecticZA> It did when the 2TB was removed
[10:26] <Kilos> sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[10:28] <HecticZA> ronald@ronald-media:~$ sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[10:28] <HecticZA> [sudo] password for ronald: 
[10:28] <HecticZA> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[10:28] <HecticZA> e2fsck 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
[10:28] <HecticZA> fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda1
[10:28] <HecticZA> Possibly non-existent device?
[10:28] <HecticZA> ronald@ronald-media:~$ 
[10:28] <Kilos> grrr
[10:28] <HecticZA> Shouldn't I create a partition on the 2 TB?
[10:28] <Kilos> if you create one all data is gone
[10:29] <Kilos> testdisk should sort that
[10:29] <HecticZA> oh okay. Will keep that as last option then
[10:29] <Kilos> sudo testdisk
[10:30] <HecticZA> k
[10:30] <HecticZA> create, append, no log
[10:30] <Kilos> sec lemme see
[10:30] <Kilos> you have disk utility open?
[10:31] <HecticZA> yes
[10:31] <Kilos> check filesystem
[10:32] <HecticZA> I do not see that option
[10:33] <Kilos> might need to mount volume first
[10:34] <Kilos> do you see that at least\
[10:34] <HecticZA> No
[10:34] <Kilos> just tick you 80g there and see if the options appear
[10:34] <HecticZA> Yes they do
[10:35] <Kilos> ah
[10:35] <HecticZA> I think only if there is a partition will those be options
[10:35] <Kilos> go back to testdisk
[10:35] <Kilos> no log
[10:36] <HecticZA> k
[10:36] <Kilos> ya but we want to find the data first
[10:36] <Kilos> if you create parts there you will lose data
[10:37] <HecticZA> Disk /dev/sda - 2000 GB / 1863 GiB - ST2000DL003-9VT166
[10:37] <HecticZA> Please select the partition table type, press Enter when done.
[10:37] <HecticZA> >[Intel  ] Intel/PC partition
[10:37] <HecticZA>  [EFI GPT] EFI GPT partition map (Mac i386, some x86_64...)
[10:37] <HecticZA>  [Humax  ] Humax partition table
[10:37] <HecticZA>  [Mac    ] Apple partition map
[10:37] <HecticZA>  [None   ] Non partitioned media
[10:37] <HecticZA>  [Sun    ] Sun Solaris partition
[10:37] <HecticZA>  [XBox   ] XBox partition
[10:37] <HecticZA>  [Return ] Return to disk selection
[10:37] <Kilos> intel
[10:38] <HecticZA> >[ Analyse  ] Analyse current partition structure and search for lost partitions
[10:38] <HecticZA>  [ Advanced ] Filesystem Utils
[10:38] <HecticZA>  [ Geometry ] Change disk geometry
[10:38] <HecticZA>  [ Options  ] Modify options
[10:38] <HecticZA>  [ MBR Code ] Write TestDisk MBR code to first sector
[10:38] <HecticZA>  [ Delete   ] Delete all data in the partition table
[10:38] <HecticZA>  [ Quit     ] Return to disk selection
[10:38] <Kilos> analyse
[10:39] <HecticZA> Disk /dev/sda - 2000 GB / 1863 GiB - CHS 243201 255 63
[10:39] <HecticZA> Current partition structure:
[10:39] <HecticZA>      Partition                  Start        End    Size in sectors
[10:39] <HecticZA> No partition is bootable
[10:39] <HecticZA> *=Primary bootable  P=Primary  L=Logical  E=Extended  D=Deleted
[10:39] <Kilos> p
[10:40] <Kilos> somewhere in all those things there is a place to make it bootable
[10:40] <HecticZA> Not an option. Only to Quit quick search
[10:40] <Kilos> i dont remember which one
[10:41] <Kilos> ok quit and go options
[10:41] <HecticZA> Should TestDisk search for partition created under Vista or later ? [Y/N]
[10:41] <HecticZA> (answer Yes if unsure)
[10:42] <Kilos> y
[10:42] <HecticZA> Disk /dev/sda - 2000 GB / 1863 GiB - CHS 243202 255 63
[10:42] <HecticZA>      Partition               Start        End    Size in sectors
[10:42] <HecticZA> >* HPFS - NTFS              0   1  1 243200 254 63 3907024002
[10:42] <HecticZA> Structure: Ok.  Use Up/Down Arrow keys to select partition.
[10:42] <HecticZA> Use Left/Right Arrow keys to CHANGE partition characteristics:
[10:42] <HecticZA> *=Primary bootable  P=Primary  L=Logical  E=Extended  D=Deleted
[10:42] <HecticZA> Keys A: add partition, L: load backup, T: change type, P: list files,
[10:42] <HecticZA>      Enter: to continue
[10:42] <HecticZA> NTFS, 2000 GB / 1863 GiB
[10:43] <Kilos> enter
[10:44] <HecticZA> Disk /dev/sda - 2000 GB / 1863 GiB - CHS 243202 255 63
[10:44] <HecticZA>      Partition                  Start        End    Size in sectors
[10:44] <HecticZA>  1 * HPFS - NTFS              0   1  1 243200 254 63 3907024002
[10:44] <HecticZA>  [  Quit  ] >[Deeper Search]  [ Write  ]
[10:44] <HecticZA>                           Try to find more partitions
[10:44] <Kilos> deeper search
[10:44] <HecticZA> Ok this is going to take a while
[10:45] <Kilos> ok i should be here
[10:45] <Kilos> next you can tick write
[10:45] <Kilos> it should make it visible to fsck
[10:45] <HecticZA> ok. Can I ask something else in the meantime?
[10:46] <Kilos> yes
[10:46] <Kilos> dont ask if you can ask just ask
[10:46] <Kilos> ive been told that often
[10:46] <Kilos> hehe
[10:46] <magespawn> hah @ Kilos
[10:49] <magespawn> Kilos: you are now one of the channel experts
[10:49] <Kilos> whew magespawn this is hard without the drive here
[10:49] <Kilos> no man 
[10:49] <HecticZA> I had dual boot system with XP and Peppermint 3. Bothe hardrives had folders shared for Windows and Linux. I eventually decided to just instal 10.04 and deleted the 80GB hdd partition and created a new partition and made ext4 partition. and 3MB swap drive and installed Ubuntu. Is that procedure correct? I kow nothing about the ext4 etc
[10:50] <Kilos> i think i need to start studying all the things
[10:50] <Kilos> 3m is too little for swap
[10:50] <HecticZA> Kilos if I install teamviewer you can take my pc?
[10:50] <Kilos> 2g is good
[10:51] <magespawn> HecticZA: sounds fine, ext4 is default file system now
[10:51] <HecticZA> Okay will check on that swap drive
[10:51] <Kilos> teamviewer dont work on ubuntu
[10:51] <HecticZA> Is that good or bad magespawn ?
[10:51] <HecticZA> It does?
[10:51] <magespawn> how much swap you need depends on your usage nad how much ram is installed
[10:51] <HecticZA> I use it regurly?
[10:51] <HecticZA> 1GB
[10:51] <HecticZA> old pc
[10:52] <magespawn> ext4 is a journaling file system so that means it is more resistant to failure tha NTFS or fat
[10:52] <Kilos> we use other remote destop tools
[10:52] <HecticZA> I think my swap drive might be 3GB
[10:53] <HecticZA> Oh ok Kilos
[10:53] <Kilos> thats fine but shouldnt be more than twice your ram
[10:53] <HecticZA> I read somewhere you can change the swap size? I will look at that a bit later
[10:54] <Kilos> the swap keeps stuff that isnt being used at the moment
[10:54] <Kilos> to save ram
[10:54] <Kilos> it wont do harm if its 3g
[10:54] <HecticZA> Ok thx
[10:54] <Kilos> just wont all be used
[10:55] <Kilos> if that deeper search finds the rest things  are looking up
[10:56] <HecticZA> I would be sooooo greatful. Only 2% done
[10:56] <Kilos> after the write it should then be a bootable drive again
[10:56] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 there are options when it comes to this, but i like ext and have not had problems with it
[10:56] <Kilos> ext4 is the best
[10:56] <HecticZA> It never was bootable though?
[10:56] <Kilos> win pcs cant see it
[10:57] <HecticZA> Ooh. That is not so cool
[10:57] <Kilos> oh is the 2tb just storage
[10:57] <HecticZA> I always have a shared folder on it
[10:57] <HecticZA> Yes Kilos, just data storage
[10:57] <Kilos> ah
[10:58] <HecticZA> I don't know how I buggred it up. I was soo careful to stay away from the 2TB, but I had to install Ubuntu about 5 times, so it wrong somewhere.
[10:58] <HecticZA> *wen
[10:58] <HecticZA> *went
[10:59] <Kilos> you shoulda just installed ubuntu on the 2tb sata is faster
[10:59] <HecticZA> Did wnt to risk the data on the 2TB, Lol
[10:59] <HecticZA> not want*
[11:00] <Kilos> anyway we see if the write function makes it useable
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:00] <Kilos> well with luck on our side we will still find the data
[11:01] <Kilos> HecticZA, what was the other question?
[11:02] <HecticZA> I strugled with the Ubunt install. Only later discovered that Telkom had dropped or the connection was very slow. Language packages showed 37964:56 to complete. I thought there was something wrong with didk or it was normal for Ubuntu. Waited almost 2 hours for it to try and install.
[11:02] <HecticZA> Okay hold on. Need to get a link
[11:04] <Kilos> ubuntu installs in 25 mins
[11:04] <Kilos> i always install without it updating at the same time
[11:05] <Kilos> once installed then i update/upgrade
[11:05] <HecticZA> I had updates and 3rd party ticked. Only later discovered Telkom was buggered. Restarted router and finally it installed
[11:07] <Kilos> you can install with no internet
[11:07] <Kilos> much faster way i think
[11:07] <HecticZA> Oh  did not know
[11:08] <magespawn> and that way you can get a working os up and running
[11:08] <Kilos> as i say 25 mins
[11:08] <Kilos> yip
[11:09] <HecticZA> http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5666&start=0 I have issues with my screen resolution, because I'm connecting via a KVM switch. I have the same issue with Ubuntu now. The link has my solution for Peppermint. Will it work on ubuntu as well?
[11:11] <Kilos> ive had some probs with screen resolution but when installing the nvidia drivers it sorts itself out
[11:12] <Kilos> in dash type in additional
[11:12] <Kilos> it will look for the card drivers
[11:12] <HecticZA> k
[11:14] <HecticZA> It is using the latest proprietary driver
[11:14] <Kilos> good
[11:15] <Kilos> nvidia-173?
[11:15] <HecticZA> I'm not using the MVK switch now and it works perfectly, but when I use the switch it goes to 640 x 480
[11:15] <HecticZA> Yes 173.
[11:15] <HecticZA> But that is a fight for another day
[11:16] <Kilos> ah
[11:16] <HecticZA> Why are some messages red at times?
[11:16] <Kilos> im using the nvidia-173-extras i think
[11:16] <Kilos> i dunno
[11:17] <HecticZA> k
[11:17] <Kilos> messages on here are red
[11:17] <Kilos> ?
[11:17] <HecticZA> nope
[11:17] <Kilos> thats if your nick is mentioned
[11:17] <Kilos> oh
[11:17] <HecticZA> ah okay
[11:18] <Kilos> HecticZA, like this
[11:18] <HecticZA> Hi Kilos 
[11:18] <HecticZA> lol okay and mine?
[11:18] <Kilos> same
[11:18] <Kilos> red here
[11:18] <HecticZA> Dar leer ek alweer iets :D
[11:18] <Kilos> it helps one find personal messages
[11:20] <HecticZA> I need to do something quickly. This test is going to run  for a while. Is it okay if I check back at 15:00 Would that suit you?
[11:20] <Kilos> np
[11:20] <HecticZA> Ty :)
[11:21] <Kilos> yw
[11:21] <magespawn> HecticZA: i think peppermint is based on ubuntu so it might
[11:21] <Kilos> debian i think ya
[11:21] <Kilos> Squirm,  will know
[11:22] <Kilos> oh is peppermint and mint different
[11:22] <Kilos> ?
[11:23] <HecticZA> It is. but someone said Peppermint is based on Lbuntu I think
[11:23] <HecticZA> Anyways, how do I indicate that I'm away?
[11:24] <Kilos> at the top go settings
[11:24] <Kilos> preferences
[11:24] <HecticZA> k
[11:25] <Kilos> general
[11:25] <HecticZA> k
[11:25] <magespawn> or do the "/away" command
[11:26]  * HecticZA is away: I'm busy
[11:26] <Kilos> hehe
[11:26] <HecticZA> and when I'm back?
[11:26] <HecticZA> same?
[11:26] <Kilos> whats the undo for that magespawn 
[11:26]  * HecticZA is back (gone 00:00:41)
[11:26]  * HecticZA is away: I'm busy
[11:27]  * HecticZA is back (gone 00:00:06)
[11:27] <magespawn> "/back'
[11:27] <Kilos> ah ty
[11:27] <HecticZA> lol. Thx
[11:27] <HecticZA> well this time im gone for real. See later
[11:27] <Kilos> later
[11:27]  * HecticZA is away: I'm busy
[11:42] <magespawn> that was nogal hectic lol
[11:42] <Kilos> hehe
[11:43] <Kilos> so hard without the drive here
[11:43] <magespawn> one of the ways i have found to do this is to write out a step by step procedure
[11:44] <Kilos> yeah but finding where you saved it sucks
[11:45] <magespawn> print it out maybe, and put it a file or bind them together
[11:46] <Kilos> eek too many papers already
[11:46] <Kilos> burned half or more even
[11:46] <Kilos> books full of info
[11:47] <magespawn> maybe some sort of electronic file system that allows you to search file via keywords
[11:47] <Kilos> eish thats even more thinking
[11:48] <magespawn> ah well that we cn't get away from
[11:48] <magespawn> can't
[11:48] <Kilos> hehe
[11:48] <Kilos> better to just leave clever peeps to help noobs
[11:48] <magespawn> i think you did fine there
[11:49] <Kilos> its not fixed yet but lets hope hey
[11:49] <Kilos> ty
[11:50] <Kilos> would maybe have been easier using a ubcd disk
[11:51] <magespawn> maybe
[12:26] <magespawn> home time for me, later all
[12:27] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[13:00] <HecticZA> Im back
[13:00] <HecticZA> hddd 245 done :(
[13:00] <HecticZA> good grief.
[13:00] <HecticZA> Hdd at 24%
[13:01] <Kilos> wb HecticZA 
[13:01] <Kilos> ya recoveries take long on slow pcs
[13:01] <HecticZA> Thx Kilos :)
[13:02] <Kilos> but its a big drive
[13:02] <HecticZA> Yes I understand.
[13:02] <Kilos> also adding ram will help your pc
[13:02] <Kilos> ubuntu loves ram
[13:02] <HecticZA> It is DDr400 :(
[13:03] <Kilos> they only come in 1g max i think
[13:03] <Kilos> and hard to find
[13:03] <HecticZA> Can I ask about ppa? Yes you are correct
[13:03] <Kilos> my pc also uses ddr but i dunno which
[13:04] <Kilos> what about ppa?
[13:05] <HecticZA> AS I understand it, it is 3rd party drivers or apps and you need to add it, but how do you know the names you need to add?
[13:05] <Kilos> most of what you need you will find in synaptic
[13:06] <Kilos> then there is a command for adding ppa's but i dunno that
[13:06] <Kilos> like the one we used for boot-repair
[13:07] <HecticZA> I'v eseen the command and I have notes on it, but it is a mystery for me where the ppl find the name.
[13:07] <Kilos> yeah me too
[13:07] <Kilos> what 
[13:07] <Kilos> um
[13:07] <Kilos> i forgot now
[13:09] <Kilos> but normally one can google what you want and you find commands there  but normally ask here first
[13:09] <Kilos> but always check synaptic first
[13:10] <HecticZA> Yeah, looks that might be the best for me.
[13:11] <HecticZA> I had to type this to get the PS3 media server:
[13:11] <Kilos> most stuff that needs doing someone here has done before so they know the ropes
[13:11] <HecticZA> Sudo add-aptrepository ppa:happy-neko/ps3mediaserver
[13:11] <HecticZA> sudo apt-get update
[13:11] <Kilos> ah
[13:12] <HecticZA> sudo apt-get install ps3mediaserver
[13:12] <HecticZA> and I basically understand everything but the happy-neko thing
[13:14] <HecticZA> Is there a place I can look for installed programs and apps?
[13:14] <HecticZA> I know now about the dash search, but if I'm not sure what a program is called?
[13:15] <Kilos> whew im the wrong one to ask such serious things
[13:15] <Kilos> type in
[13:15] <Kilos> lspci
[13:15] <Kilos> that shows somethging
[13:15] <HecticZA> lol okay
[13:16] <HecticZA> ah, that shows hardware
[13:16] <Kilos> ok
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to see installed apps on ubuntu
[13:17] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to list user installed applications (not packages)? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/159664/how-to-list-user-installed-applications-not-packages :: "Is there any simple way to access installed programs? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/148100/is-there-any-simple-way-to-access-installed-programs :: "See all of your installed
[13:17] <Maaz> applications in Ubuntu Unity" http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/see_all_your_instal…
[13:17] <Kilos> everyone tells me google is my friend but i dunno so much
[13:19] <Kilos> 12.04 goes well with 1.5g ram and better with 2gig
[13:20] <HecticZA> ok. Thx for the links Maaz. I will save them.
[13:21] <Kilos> he is our python bot written and hosted by the guys
[13:22] <HecticZA> ? So he is not a member?
[13:22] <Kilos> no its a bot
[13:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:22]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:23] <HecticZA> Wow. Is there a specific  way to ask questions?
[13:23] <Kilos> if you ask coffee please he will make you some cyber coffee too
[13:23] <HecticZA> LoL
[13:23] <Kilos> use his nick first then the rest
[13:24] <HecticZA> Maaz How old is Nelson Mandela
[13:24] <Maaz> HecticZA: I already know stuff about How old
[13:24] <Kilos> he records our meetings and does lotsa stuff
[13:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:26] <Kilos> the bot package is in the repos so anyone can install one
[13:27] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[13:27] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[13:27] <Kilos> called ibid
[13:27] <HecticZA> Ah okay
[13:28] <Kilos> most of the clever guys are here at night
[13:30] <HecticZA> Unless there is really something important, most evening is spend with the wife or PS3 gaming.
[13:31] <Kilos> cool
[13:32] <Kilos> and wikus is quite clued up but he is only here weekdays till 3pm
[13:32] <HecticZA> So I cannot share any folders with Window pc's on my Ubuntu installation, because I use a ext4 partition?
[13:32] <HecticZA> Wikus, like in Maz?
[13:33] <Kilos> data files can still be seen on win
[13:33] <Kilos> ya mazal
[13:33] <HecticZA> Ah okay
[13:34] <Kilos> only win sees your ext4 drives as unformatted
[13:34] <Kilos> or doesnt even see them
[13:34] <HecticZA> I installed Dropbox now and now it tells me that "Nautilus" restart required" What is that?
[13:35] <Kilos> file thing
[13:35] <HecticZA> Can I restart it or will intefere with the hdd scan?
[13:35] <Kilos> filebrowser or somesuch
[13:36] <Kilos> just that window ya but dont restart pc
[13:36] <HecticZA> I'm rather going to wait.
[13:37] <Kilos> ya you dont wanna sart over again
[13:37] <Kilos> hehe
[13:37] <HecticZA> LOl, for sure
[13:37] <HecticZA> maaz what is Nautilus
[13:37] <Maaz> HecticZA: Not a clue, sorry
[13:37] <HecticZA> maaz google nautilus
[13:37] <Maaz> HecticZA: "Nautilus® Home Fitness Equipment" http://www.nautilus.com/ :: "Nautilus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus :: "Nautilus - League of Legends Wiki - Wikia" http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Nautilus :: "Nautilus" http://nautil.us/ :: "Nautilus - GNOME Live! - GNOME Project Listing"
[13:37] <Maaz> http://projects.gnome.org/nautilus/ :: "Historic Ship Nautilus and The Submarine Force Museum" http://www.ussnautilus.or…
[13:38] <Kilos> Maaz, google what does nautilus do in ubuntu
[13:38] <Maaz> Kilos: "“nautilus” package : Ubuntu - Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus :: "How do I start Nautilus as root? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/156998/how-do-i-start-nautilus-as-root :: "What is the difference between "gksudo nautilus" and ... - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/11760/what-is-the-difference-between-
[13:38] <Maaz> gksudo-nautilus-and-sudo-nautilus :: "Ubuntu 12.10 May Ship With Older, But More Featured, Na…
[13:38] <HecticZA> Maaz does not like me :(
[13:38] <Kilos> look at it in synaptic
[13:39] <HecticZA> k
[13:39] <Kilos> there is normally an explannation there
[13:39] <Kilos> or type in man nautilus in cli
[13:39] <Kilos> youll get used to maaz
[13:40] <HecticZA> Nautilus is the official file manager for the GNOME desktop. It allows
[13:40] <HecticZA> to browse directories, preview files and launch applications associated
[13:40] <HecticZA> with them. It is also responsible for handling the icons on the GNOME
[13:40] <HecticZA> desktop.
[13:41] <Kilos> ya file manager
[13:41] <Kilos> i knew it was file something or other
[13:42] <HecticZA> 32%
[13:42] <Kilos> lol
[13:42] <HecticZA> Long way to go
[13:43] <Kilos> late night or early morning results
[13:43] <HecticZA> Looks like it.
[13:43] <Kilos> its always better to do recoveries from a larger drive
[13:44] <Kilos> then its all saved on youi drive
[13:44] <Kilos> your
[13:45] <HecticZA> Yeah.
[13:45] <Kilos> when its done the tell it to write hey
[13:45] <Kilos> i sleep early cause im getting older
[13:45] <HecticZA> I still can't believe I made the error. I double checked everytime I did drive selection :(
[13:46] <Kilos> better to unplug always
[13:46] <HecticZA> W enormally watch something till about 00:00 - 01:00, then we are off to bed as well.
[13:46] <Kilos> power cuts while installing also cause havok at times
[13:47] <HecticZA> Yeah It was just pure laziness
[13:47] <HecticZA> I'm worried about the power. The power to our town is very iffy and this pc is not on a UPS.
[13:48] <HecticZA> I'm referring to the recovery
[13:49] <HecticZA> pwd
[13:49] <HecticZA> oops
[13:49] <Kilos> eish
[13:50] <Kilos> za power sucks all over
[13:50] <HecticZA> True story
[13:51] <HecticZA> Is this channel part of a SA forum or where does it fit in?
[13:52] <Kilos> ya its the official channel this
[13:52] <Kilos> you can also join our mailing list
[13:53] <HecticZA> Which forum?
[13:53] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[13:53] <Kilos> i dunno
[13:55] <HecticZA> What is the mailing list about? Ubuntu news?
[13:57] <Kilos> thats nomallty where one starts asking for help
[13:57] <Kilos> many guys help there that dont use irc
[13:57] <HecticZA> oh okay.
[14:02] <superfly> this is the official IRC channel of the South African Ubuntu LoCo (Local Community)
[14:02] <superfly> the Ubuntu-ZA LoCo is an official Ubuntu community (as recognised by Canonical)
[14:03] <HecticZA> Thx. Is there a forum as well?
[14:03] <superfly> a mailing list is basically a list of e-mail addresses, and when you send an e-mail to the list, it sends your mail on to everyone
[14:03] <superfly> sortof.
[14:03] <superfly> It's not very active (maybe 1 post every 4 months)
[14:04] <HecticZA> Ah okay
[14:04] <superfly> and, as with all forums, you have a lot of people who know very little about everything
[14:04] <superfly> the mailing list is much better
[14:04] <HecticZA> LoL
[14:04] <HecticZA> I have subscribed now
[14:05] <HecticZA> It sounds like me. I know just about nothing about Linux
[14:06] <HecticZA> I am on by 22nd day anniversary. :D
[14:11]  * HecticZA is away: I'm busy
[14:12] <Kilos> hehe ty superfly 
[15:21] <jmagunduni> Kilos: Whats up?
[15:29] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[15:30] <Kilos> hi guys
[15:30] <Kilos> jmayou fixed up now
[15:30] <Kilos> oh my
[15:30] <Kilos> all good just cold hey georgelappies 
[15:31] <georgelappies> yeah, definetly winter is upon us
[16:08] <Kilos> hi jmagunduni 
[16:08] <Kilos> you still battling
[16:09] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[16:09] <jmagunduni> Kilos: its working , :)
[16:10] <Kilos> what did you do?
[16:11] <jmagunduni> Kilos: i opened the the terminal and typed nm-applet , it worked .
[16:11] <Kilos> good
[16:26] <theblazehen> Hi all, Kilos 
[16:26] <Kilos> hi theblazehen you been scarce hey
[16:27] <theblazehen> Yeah, sorry. School's been a bit busy
[16:27] <theblazehen> And I got a new PC :D
[16:27] <Kilos> ah np
[16:28] <Kilos> cool
[16:28] <Kilos> what you got?
[16:28] <theblazehen> 2.4 GHz pentium, 3GB ram, and 40 GB HDD
[16:28] <theblazehen> Grandpa's old pc
[16:28] <Kilos> cool
[16:29] <theblazehen> Yea :) really enjoying it. A great improvement over my netbook
[16:33] <Kilos> i thought netbooks were fast
[16:35] <theblazehen> nope... 1.6 GHz processor, with hyperthreading, 2GB RAM and a unsupported graphics chipset
[16:35] <Kilos> ah
[16:35] <theblazehen> Yep. At most I could watch a video witha low resolution
[16:35] <Kilos> aw
[16:39] <theblazehen> I changed my text scaling and now it's all weird - http://imgur.com/0oSnFmt - Guess a reboot should fix it...
[16:39] <Kilos> hehe
[16:40] <Kilos> you still on arch?
[16:41] <theblazehen> Nope. Moved my netbook to debian, and desktop is mint
[16:41] <Kilos> ai still no ubuntu
[16:41] <Kilos> naughty
[16:41] <theblazehen> arch is too much hassle for me now... Just want something that works
[16:42] <theblazehen> I might try it out sometime, but I like the cinnamon DE
[16:50] <theblazehen> I just ran sudo rm -f /dev/null , let'
[16:51] <theblazehen> s see what happens
[16:51] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[16:53] <smile4ever> hi :D
[16:53] <smile4ever> My program now supports in-program searches :D
[16:53] <theblazehen> smile4ever: Which program?
[16:54] <smile4ever> WikiList :)
[16:54] <theblazehen> What's it do?
[16:54] <smile4ever> generating lists for Wikipedia :)
[16:54] <theblazehen> Oh, nice
[16:54] <smile4ever> (especially autowikibrowser) :)
[16:55] <smile4ever> but it's wiki markup, so you can post those lists in articles too
[16:55] <smile4ever> :)
[16:55] <theblazehen> Ok
[16:55] <smile4ever> I don't support wide talk pages yet (talk_portal) :) But you don't know the Wikipedia structure, do you? :)
[16:55] <theblazehen> Nope!
[16:56] <smile4ever> It consists of namespaces, i.e. Talk:Google Chrome and Google Chrome (main namespace)
[16:56] <theblazehen> ok...
[16:56] <smile4ever> Since I wasn't satisfied with Gambas XML functionality I wrote my own XML parser :D
[16:57] <theblazehen> nice
[17:02] <theblazehen> Ok, chrome no longer works, and I cant open gnome-terminal.
[17:03] <smile4ever> theblazehen: Hmm, that sucks
[17:03] <smile4ever> try firefox? :)
[17:03] <theblazehen> Nope...
[17:04] <theblazehen> At least the tty's work
[17:04] <theblazehen> now to google how to restore /dev/null
[17:06] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[17:06] <smile4ever> Kilos: good night
[17:06] <theblazehen> night
[17:06] <smile4ever> :)
[17:07] <theblazehen> Fixed it - I think 
[18:33] <smile4ever> Goodbye :)