[00:10] <deneme> hi
[00:11] <deneme> why kubuntu default irc client quassel ?
[00:11] <tsimpson> because during the transition to KDE 4.x Konversation did not have a working KDE 4 port
[01:28] <Obuntu> Hi All! any idea about nbr2mp4 converter from cisco.. it  does not generate the output file and does not give an error either
[02:37] <Noskcaj>  is there a "powered by kubuntu" sticker?
[04:49] <James_m_> Hi
[04:50] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi, James_m_.
[04:51] <James_m_> I have accidentally done sth to the taskbar and the icons from the left have moved to the right. Worse, the icons showing active programs have disappeared. How can I fix it?
[04:53] <James_m_> Well, removing and adding panels :). But the panels is at the top of the screen now, how can I place it at the bottom of it?
[04:54] <James_m_> Well. Screen Edge :)
[04:55] <Graf_Westerholt> James_m_, just add the task manager to the pannel again.
[04:55] <James_m_> yes, I had already done it :)
[04:59] <Graf_Westerholt> James_m_, so why do you ask here?
[04:59] <James_m_> Graf_Westerholt: simply you responded but I had found the solution before. See above
[05:00] <Graf_Westerholt> James_m_, you did not write that you found the solution.
[05:00] <James_m_> what?
[05:00] <Graf_Westerholt> Do you not understand what I write?
[05:00] <James_m_> "Well, removing and adding panels :). But the panels is at the top of the screen now, how can I place it at the bottom of it? " Well. Screen Edge :)"
[05:01] <James_m_> I had written that I had found.
[05:01] <James_m_> OK, anyway, thx
[05:01] <Graf_Westerholt> " Well. Screen Edge :)" is no statement.
[05:01] <Graf_Westerholt> Please learn to communicate.
[05:02] <tsimpson> please let's drop it now
[05:08] <James_m_> "Your father (plan) plans to pick you up after school today at 3:00 o'clock. He (meet)  you across the street near the ice cream shop. If something happens and he cannot be there, I (pick) will pick you up instead. " - what would you choice?
[05:09] <tsimpson> James_m_: what?
[05:09] <James_m_> sorry
[05:10] <James_m_> not this channel
[05:10] <tsimpson> ok
[07:02] <afterlight> Γεια σε ολους
[07:02] <afterlight> :D
[07:03] <tsimpson> !gr | afterlight
[07:03] <afterlight> o thank you so much
[07:03] <afterlight> :D
[07:04] <afterlight> but not many people are in those chanels
[07:07] <puff> I accidentally pressed some key combination and all my apps disappeared. Alt-tab doesn't show any other apps, but top shows chrome is still running...
[07:12] <valorie> puff, does alt-f2 > krunner > chrome bring up chrome?
[07:14] <puff> valorie: It brings up a new chrome window.
[07:16] <valorie> :(
[07:25] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi, valorie.
[07:28] <valorie> hi Graf_Westerholt
[07:29] <valorie> love your 'nym
[07:29] <Graf_Westerholt> Sorry?
[07:29] <valorie> your nick
[07:30] <valorie> are you actually a Westerholt?
[07:30] <Graf_Westerholt> ah ok. Thx. :)
[07:30] <Graf_Westerholt> No. It ist just a nick.
[07:30] <valorie> and I like it
[07:30] <valorie> very noble
[07:30] <Graf_Westerholt> Westerholt exists here.
[07:31] <Graf_Westerholt> It is a hidden connect to my town. ;)
[07:31] <valorie> I used to genealogy, and my husband is a Zimmerman
[07:31] <valorie> so I've done some German work
[07:32] <valorie> I mean, I used to do genealogy research
[07:32] <Graf_Westerholt> Why?
[07:32] <valorie> and may start up again one of these days
[07:32] <valorie> I have some friends in Germany who find all kinds of interesting information
[07:32] <valorie> why do I do the research?
[07:33] <valorie> two reasons, I think: it's like solving a lot of little mysteries
[07:33] <valorie> and I like the way it weaves my family into the larger history
[07:34] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[07:34] <valorie> sec
[07:34] <Graf_Westerholt> I know the names of the ancestors of my mothers parents. But it is only names.
[08:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:02] <valorie> Graf_Westerholt: sorry to disappear on you like that
[08:02] <Graf_Westerholt> No problem.
[08:03] <valorie> the fun is in seeking out the stories, or at least placing them in their own cultural and historical context
[08:04] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[08:05] <valorie> I originally started when I found a mystery, and just couldn't stop looking for more
[08:06] <valorie> when I started working in free software, I felt myself pulled in the same way
[08:07] <valorie> and the community here is more fun
[08:08] <Graf_Westerholt> ok :)
[08:11] <Graf_Westerholt> I am more interested in living people.
[08:12] <valorie> sure; I also wanted to understand my parents and why they raised us as they did, etc.
[08:12] <valorie> and in a way, it all ends up with me, so it's rather selfish, really
[08:14] <Graf_Westerholt> All is selfish. ;)
[08:17] <valorie> yup!
[08:18] <Graf_Westerholt> It is all evolution.
[08:21] <valorie> sure, and choices along the way, some conscious, and some not so much
[08:23] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes.
[09:43] <georgelappies> hi all, what can one use to copy songs to an ipad2 in KDE?
[09:45] <thelionroars> dropbox?
[09:46] <georgelappies> dropbox? isn't there a way to do it with some app? I don't have uncapped bandwith unfortunatly
[10:08] <thelionroars> I was given an ipad4, and realised quickly that it's very closed. You can't even access a file manager. I'm not sure if itunes allows you to transfer files that haven't been bought from their store... if it is you might be able to get it working in wine.
[10:09] <thelionroars> Assuming you have a LAN, you could also buy an SSH app that does SFTP, and set up sshd on kubuntu.
[10:09] <thelionroars> I'm not aware of any free ssh apps on ios products (yet).
[10:09] <foobArrr> kubuntu 12.04: I disabled switching off the display in System Settings -> Power Management, and I disabled the screensaver. however after a minute or so of inactivity the screen goes black.
[10:12] <thelionroars> It might be System Settings>Display and Monitor>Screen Locker  foobArrr
[10:13] <foobArrr> I don't see Screen Locker in Display and Monitor
[10:15] <thelionroars> ok, might be only in later versions. It appears on the left side of the screen in 13.04, under 'Display Configuration' Icon
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:45] <HansImGlueck> Moin
[10:45] <HansImGlueck> Hi @ll
[10:46] <lordievader> Hey HansImGlueck
[11:02] <HansImGlueck> hello vader :)
[15:26] <shirley> can anyone help me with extremely low volume in kubuntu 13.04?
[15:30] <lovethang_> Hi folks, I have a Kubuntu VM that has an encrypted home directory on.  The entire OS has fallen apart at the hinges, and I am desperate to get my data off.  I have no access to login to KDE, how can I quickly achieve an early console before X launches please?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> lovethang_, at the login don't login , just do ctrl+alt+F1 to F6 which gives you a TTY shell , like a terminal
[15:33] <BluesKaj> then you login
[15:33] <lovethang_> Unfortunately this is a VM and my local KDE is intercepting those ¬_¬
[15:34] <BluesKaj> oh , kubuntu the guest OS ?
[15:35] <lovethang_> Yes
[15:35] <BluesKaj> did you install guest additions ?
[15:36] <lovethang_> Yes
[15:36] <lovethang_> That's when the display issues started
[15:36] <lovethang_> It's a MESS
[15:36] <BluesKaj> that should give you drag and drop between OSs
[15:36] <lovethang_> I have no GUI
[15:37] <BluesKaj> so it's not the VM at fault it's your boot ?
[15:37] <lovethang_> No, the VM is messed
[15:37] <lovethang_> Like seriously messed up
[15:37] <lovethang_> Like Perez Hilton
[15:37] <lovethang_> I am desperate to get my data off it from the encrypted partition
[15:38] <BluesKaj> ok , the encrypted partition is where ?
[15:38] <lovethang_> In the guest OS on /dev/sda-something I should imagine
[15:38] <lovethang_> I don't know exactly where, it didn't ask me
[15:39] <lovethang_> I don't even know what format the disk is encrypted in
[15:39] <lovethang_> Maybe LUKS?  I also think there's some LVM in there too
[15:39] <BluesKaj> that's beyond my scope , have no experience with that
[15:39] <BluesKaj> sorry
[15:40] <lovethang_> I have no experience of anything Ubuntu
[15:40] <lovethang_> It tried to hold my hand to help but all it did was drag me in to hell
[15:41] <lovethang_> If I SSH in to the VM will it give me access to this encrypted drive?  I could just scp everything out
[15:41] <lovethang_> I have been reluctant to try anything yet for fear of making it worse
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Best to ask in #ubuntu , doubt that it's kde relate , even if it is there ppl there with alot of knowledge about all things 'buntu
[15:42] <lovethang_> Yes
[15:43] <monkeyjuice> will a vm machice have its own boot loader?
[15:43] <lovethang_> I can't believe how wrong this has all gone so quickly.  It's worse than the time I was trying to install water cooling in to a server ¬_¬
[15:44] <lovethang_> monkeyjuice: Yes it's just like an ordinary OS
[15:44] <monkeyjuice> so can you get to that and command line?
[15:44] <monkeyjuice> im guess so ;)
[15:45] <lovethang_> Of course I can start the VM, just when it gets to loading X there is something horribly awry and it becomes unresonsive
[15:45] <lovethang_> I need to stop it getting to X and salvage my data in the encrypted home directory
[16:00] <NickNak> lovethang_: After you start the VM, hold down Shift.  If that gives you the bootloader menu you can select the recovery option
[16:00] <BluesKaj> VMs boot off the host OS, monkeyjuice
[16:03] <BluesKaj> at last mine does , it's virtualbox
[16:04] <lovethang_> BluesKaj: Thanks kindly this is what I needed
[16:06] <BluesKaj> lovethang_, VMs run within the host OS , they aren't separate like ordinary OSs
[16:06] <lovethang_> BluesKaj: I am fully aware of VMs, I run about 80 or so in both private and public clouds lol
[16:07] <BluesKaj> ok then , bbl...
[16:08] <lovethang_> And yes they are separate to the host (to a lesser or greater degree depending on the type of hypervisor) but to all intents and purposes is separate ¬_¬
[16:08] <lovethang_> ty
[16:17] <POISIONED-_-COMP> HM
[16:18] <POISIONED-_-COMP> OO?!
[16:18] <POISIONED-_-COMP> HELLO ANY BODY HERE
[16:20] <soee> few
[16:20] <POISIONED-_-COMP> P,-_-
[16:22] <POISIONED-_-COMP> KUBUNTU IS BETTER THAN LINUX MINT 9
[16:23] <POISIONED-_-COMP> UU HELLO, IM LONELY AGAIN
[16:26] <POISIONED-_-COMP> HUU? THIS PLACE IS LONELYER THAN #LINUXMINT-HELP/CHAT
[16:27] <soee> pls stop using uppercase and you are here for help? you did not asked anything
[16:27] <POISIONED-_-COMP> NO
[16:28] <POISIONED-_-COMP> better?
[16:28] <soee> yes
[16:28] <POISIONED-_-COMP> ok
[16:29] <POISIONED-_-COMP> man this place is so quiet!
[16:30] <soee> well Kubuntu works fine so there are no users that having problems :)
[16:32] <POISIONED-_-COMP> well im new to kubuntu so,it goes with the show
[16:33] <POISIONED-_-COMP> i use to run linux mint 9 which went expired on april 1st.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> POISIONED-_-COMP, so are you some kind of side-show with the capitalized nick :)
[16:34] <POISIONED-_-COMP> uu i guess so
[16:35] <BluesKaj> do you have a question ?
[16:35] <POISIONED-_-COMP> anyway my full nick is poisioned-_-computer
[16:36] <POISIONED-_-COMP> and no i dont have a question
[16:36] <yofel> !ot | POISIONED-_-COMP
[16:41] <luisphysics> Is there anyone who can help me find a way to have kubuntu recognize my toshiba x205 sli keyboard layout and buttons. It works fine on ubuntu.
[16:44] <luisphysics> Is there anyone who can help me find a way to have kubuntu recognize my toshiba x205 sli keyboard layout and buttons. It works fine on ubuntu.
[16:47] <luisphysics> Is there anyone who can help me find a way to have kubuntu recognize my toshiba x205 sli keyboard layout and buttons. It works fine on ubuntu.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> luisphysics, kmenu>computer>system settings>input devices> keyboard>layouts>keyboard model
[16:50] <luisphysics> Blueskaj I don't see keyboard model
[16:50] <luisphysics> in the layouts
[16:50] <luisphysics> I see it in hardware
[16:51] <BluesKaj> ok fine look there
[16:51] <luisphysics> There is only one toshiba option but it doesn't work. I was originally on the generic 104
[16:52] <luisphysics> and that didn't work either. is there a way to download more keyboard models
[16:57] <luisphysics> Is there anyone who can help me find a way to have kubuntu recognize my toshiba satilite x205 sli keyboard layout and buttons. It works fine on ubuntu.
[17:02] <soee> luisphysics, what do you aske same question all the time? if someone is able to help you hell do it
[17:13] <Graf_Westerholt> Anyone an idea how I can get back my menus in kgpg key management? http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/14/24/5723157-KGpg_ohne_Menu.png
[17:17] <alvarus> hello
[17:18] <alvarus> i cant setup my gf 9600gt video card
[17:19] <alvarus> any help?
[17:20] <soee> alvarus, what exactly cant setup ?
[17:21] <alvarus> i cant to use my video card ,  i need the correct video driver
[17:23] <alvarus> but the old video card gf 6600 , work fine
[17:23] <alvarus> :(
[17:25] <alvarus> i dont know the right setup
[17:27] <alvarus> excuse me my english soee
[17:27] <soee> did you checked for propriety drivers and hava one installed ?
[17:30] <alvarus> yes , but then a couple of minutes ,  i have a wonderfull crash
[17:31] <alvarus> or freeze screen
[17:34] <alvarus> now i have an old gf 6600 video card
[17:37] <alvarus> nouveau driver
[17:46] <Graf_Westerholt> Anyone an idea how I can get back my menus in kgpg key management? http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/14/24/5723157-KGpg_ohne_Menu.png
[18:47] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...is there a way to login using the fingerprint reader?
[18:47] <dylan__> Hello. When I import my own music (.mp3 files) to Jampal, not all of them go in the list. I'm not sure why this is, or if it can get fixed, but I really want to listen to all of my music and not just a few songs.
[19:02] <lorddelta> Hey. how's everyone's day going? *ping*
[19:04] <lordievader> Hey lorddelta
[19:08] <ahoneybun> lordievader: yo
[19:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Hey, how are you?
[19:09] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ok, you?
[19:10] <lordievader> Doing ok, I guess.
[19:15] <lorddelta> heyahoneybun? :D
[19:16] <lorddelta> Does anyone in here know much about the linux sound stack? I have a peculiar problem and I don't think its really kubuntu related.
[19:19] <lordievader> lorddelta: You could try #alsa or #pulseaudio, I bet they know about the linux sound stack.
[19:21] <lorddelta> I know.
[19:22] <lorddelta> But when 5 or six different audio systems are possibly involved, its never easy to know where to turnhttp://tuxradar.com/content/how-it-works-linux-audio-explained
[19:22] <lorddelta> So an audio guru is preferred.
[19:23] <lorddelta> Also its always a possibility that the distro provider has some debugging tricks up their sleeves that the sourcing developers don't have access to.
[19:24] <lorddelta> I can personally attest that I have 7 of the 9 systems shown in that diagram installed.
[19:24] <lorddelta> Possibly 8, I can't remember if anything is using Jack on here...
[19:27] <lordievader> lorddelta: You might also want to ask around in #ubuntu, for as far as I know Kubuntu doesn't change the audio system they get from Ubuntu/KDE.
[19:27] <lorddelta> lordievader: I think Kubuntu is smarter :P
[19:27] <lorddelta> but sure
[19:27] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, depends how you are using the audio options on kubuntu to figiure which appraoch to take for your issue(s)
[19:29] <BluesKaj> instructions to setup audio on ubuntu gui-wise is very differnt than kubuntu
[19:31] <lorddelta> BluesKaj: my tried and true recoveries having failed (restarting pulseaudio and init-ing alsa), kmix works like a charm, but an apparently random class of audio applications (such as aplay, and vlc, and flash player on chrome) fail. Xine is the default backend used by kmix, gstreamer is installed but doesn't seem to work any worse/better. So something like kmix->xine->pulseaudio->alsa->???->hardware driver which refuses to unload because something is u
[19:31] <lorddelta> Oh and I think I have OSS on here on account of having Csound installed...
[19:33] <lorddelta> There is foul play afoot here (bug in a driver somewhere) as it a wine application was responsible for causing this nebulous and shattered state of affairs (aplay works, but 'stutters' as if there is a buffering problem, which makes no sense to me)
[19:35] <lorddelta> I am sure simply logging in/out of the system (or rebooting) would fix the issue, but I want to track down the bug so that I can fix it or report it to someone with more time than me.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, I don't bother much with kmix/xine , I concentrate my efforts on alsamixer , pavucontrol
[19:37] <BluesKaj> what's your soundcard ?
[19:38] <lorddelta> hda-intel, lemme grab a lspci
[19:39] <lorddelta> is '00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)' helpful to you?
[19:40] <lorddelta> only thing that came up in lspci
[19:40] <lorddelta> Chip: IDT 92HD81B1C5  (from alsamixer)
[19:45] <shadeslayer> xine ?!?!?!
[19:45] <shadeslayer> that stuff be deprecated
[19:46] <lorddelta> shadeslayer: plasmoid volume ctl -> right click -> audio setup -> phonon kde control module -> backend -> xine/gstreamer
[19:47] <lorddelta> That stuff be working ;)
[19:48] <shadeslayer> xine is not supported, only gst and vlc
[19:48] <shadeslayer> + are supported
[19:48] <lorddelta> Mayhaps you are running 13.04?
[19:49] <lorddelta> phonon: v.4
[19:49] <shadeslayer> eh, I don't think xine is supported on any supported kubuntu release
[19:49] <lorddelta> v.4.7.0
[19:49] <shadeslayer> !info phonon-backend-xine
[19:49] <lorddelta> I have 4 different backends in my pkg manager
[19:49] <shadeslayer> !info phonon-backend-xine lucid
[19:50] <lorddelta> gstreamer, mplayer, vlc, xine
[19:50] <lorddelta> Anyways as vlc isn't working I'm not exactly raring to switch to that backend atm.
[19:51] <lorddelta> *not working from cmd line* at least
[19:51] <lorddelta> works from the gui front end
[19:52] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, I suppose you modprobed the snd-hda-intel driver , but you can also addit to the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf like so : options snd-hda-intel index=0
[19:52] <shadeslayer> lorddelta: what release are you running?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> release of kubuntu
[19:53] <lorddelta> Supposedly 12.04.2 LTS
[19:53] <shadeslayer> check using lsb_release ?
[19:54] <lorddelta> 'Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS'
[19:54] <lorddelta> ...not sure if that's supposed to have a 'Kubuntu' before it.
[19:54] <shadeslayer> I suppose its an upgraded machine
[19:54] <BluesKaj> vlc backend is ok , but I haeven't seen any advantages in the later kubuntu releases
[19:55] <shadeslayer> not really, ubuntu in this case refers to the base os, shared across all flavors
[19:55] <shadeslayer> lorddelta: please remove the xine packages , not sure about mplayer
[19:55] <shadeslayer> never heard of that backend
[19:55] <BluesKaj> yeah the irelease info ignores the desktops
[19:56] <lorddelta> shadeslayer: may I ask why?
[19:56] <lorddelta> What's wrong with it?
[19:56] <lorddelta> It seems to work...
[19:56] <shadeslayer> lorddelta: its deprecated I.e. not supported anymore
[19:57] <BluesKaj>  shadeslayer, one can use the vlc backend in phonon in place of gstreamer if you wish
[19:57] <lorddelta> I understand....but unless you think it is interfering with aplay (which is an alsa-utils utility for playing with alsa)
[19:58] <lorddelta> Its not the problem, so its deprecation is irrelevant, yes?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> xine never worked for me in kde
[19:59] <shadeslayer> doubt its interfering with aplay, aplay does not go through phonon
[19:59] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: sure, just saying that KDE doesn't support xine anymore
[19:59] <lorddelta> ...I'll install the vlc backend if it makes you happy, but I won't uninstall, merely configure to use the vlc. Keeping multiple packages around has saved my @ss before.
[20:01]  * lorddelta installs the debug symbols as well
[20:04] <BluesKaj> lorddelta,  no need to install vlc back end just because I mentioned it , it's an option if gstreamer acts up
[20:04] <lorddelta> *shrug* already done, I'll leave it be.
[20:05] <lorddelta> And yes, its an alsa problem, pulseaudio works in vlc, alsa does not in vlc
[20:05] <lorddelta> How does that work? I thought pulseaudio wrote to alsa?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, as long as you aren't using a usb outboard soundcard then vlc backend should work well
[20:07] <lorddelta> No usb soundcard atm. I do have one, but its not in use atm.
[20:08] <lorddelta> Does vlc not support 5.1 surround sound via usb?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, pulse doesn't always write or link to alsa , try webaudio without pulse like youtube ...I just as son not have deal with pulse because it's just another layer of processing in the analog domain that mucks up the sound quality
[20:09] <BluesKaj> but we have to live with it
[20:10] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, there wre some issues with usb and vlc backend in phonon
[20:17] <lorddelta> BluesKaj: well, youtube works. chrome://plugins shows that I have flash player (11.7) and vlc web plugin, as well as widevine (same version as the vlc player which works) installed. Only alsa doesn't seem to work. AFAIK, setting the backend in the VLC gui sets the settings globably, so pulseaudio: 1, alsa: 0 You mentioned getting webaudio 'without pulse'? How do I do that?
[20:19] <BluesKaj> you don't , that's my grievance about the mucked up audio in kubuntu, we could get webaudio without pulse at one timew when alsa was being updated and maintained , now it's mostly an after thought
[20:21] <lorddelta> So, what, does pulseaudio speak directly to hardware drivers these days?
[20:21] <lorddelta> Or is it speaking to a sneaky OSS module somewhere?
[20:25] <lorddelta> Flash works in FF too
[20:25] <BluesKaj> yes , alsa
[20:25] <lorddelta> pulseaudio -> alsa?
[20:25] <BluesKaj> yes
[20:26] <BluesKaj> it rides on top so to speak
[20:26] <lorddelta> ...so why doesn't aplay work...still...
[20:27] <BluesKaj> lorddelta,  I just use aplay -l to list the hardware
[20:27]  * lorddelta tries a different terminal, hwo knows
[20:28] <lorddelta> paplay doesn't work either...odd
[20:28] <lordievader> lorddelta: It might be that PA keeps the hardware hostage.
[20:29] <lorddelta> lordievader: its still a bug then
[20:29] <lordievader> lorddelta: No, that is simply the way Alsa is.
[20:29] <lorddelta> I used aplay a day or so ago to play a couple sounds
[20:29] <lorddelta> The new behavior is a result of a program malfunctioning in wine
[20:29] <lordievader> That is why PA was invented, so multiple sources could have access to the sound system.
[20:30] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, yes I think pulse has a grip on the inputs and outputs and flash audio and alsa can't communicate without pulse
[20:30] <BluesKaj> err lordievader ^
[20:34] <lorddelta> At any rate logically, the problem goes like so: A) either PA truly functions as you say and there is a flaw with it's 'grip' as apparently other applications can bypass it, and cause random havoc when PA runs some check (of which I don't see any evidence in the system logs) or B) aplay has been trashed somehow, while the PA system remains untouched.
[20:35] <lorddelta> I am looking through apport and seeing memory access failures during some vlc launches, but that is the only time I see anything that sounds like scenario A)
[20:36] <lorddelta> lordievader: furthermore, how does that make sense when paplay (pulseaudio's utility to play sound) fails with a "failed to open audio file" error?
[20:48] <BigWig> Semi irritating problem with the kde lower left hand application menu: It always thinks I want to drag icons around when I leave it.
[21:08] <m_tadeu> well...I have 2 laptops with the same timezone and different times...why is this happening?
[21:37] <lorddelta> m_tadeu: have you tried updating the times manually?
[21:37] <lorddelta> the bios clock can be unreliable and sometimes the internet time will not update itself, so if that fixes it, there's your problem.
[21:38] <lorddelta> Bah he left, ruddy IRC client not making it more obvious (sorry for the spam)
[22:18] <d9500> how do i enable mouse cursor in kubuntu active?
[22:28] <Riddell> d9500: it's enabled but the theme is a blank one, just change the mouse theme in system settings
[22:29] <d9500> and how would i access that?
[22:30] <d9500> i can pull down the peek and launch bar, but there is no settings option. it's blank.
[22:30] <d9500> apparently others have had this problem too, see stevriley's post on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143699
[22:38] <d9500> actually, Riddell, nevermind. i thought 'forget about it' and deleted the VM. this is 2013; software should just work. if not..on to the next project/distro/package to see if its any better. thanks for your help anyway.
[22:39] <Riddell> ok, it's a technical preview and not designed for use as a desktop
[22:41] <d9500> yeah, and i don't think canonical itself cares much about making plasma active work anyway. they've got their own thing going with ubuntu touch, which i'm looking forward to trying.
[22:44] <Riddell> d9500: canonical has nothing to do with plasma active whatsoever
[22:44] <d9500> there's not some minimum level of QA that goes into packages which are in the ubuntu archives?
[22:45] <d9500> or is it more of "it compiles, let's ship it!" for any packages not in main?
[22:45] <Riddell> it's a technical preview, nobody claims it works
[22:46] <d9500> makes sense. wonder if i could get it to boot on this ancient motion tablet i have access to....
[22:47] <d9500> wait..no. new release require PAE.
[22:47] <d9500> anyway, thanks again. later!
[23:20] <lorddelta> "software should just work" - yeah, if its not a technical preview - js spoils everyone these days
[23:21] <lorddelta> Then again I think it something of a virtue if you're able to cope with technical problems yourself.
[23:21]  * kaddi just upgraded to 13.10
[23:22] <kaddi> and kubuntu managed to install a 32bit package on my 64bit OS <.< breaking the graphical interface
[23:24] <lorddelta> kaddi: ? I have all sorts of 32 bit packages on my 64 bit OS. I think the bit problem on Ubuntu resolved itself awhile ago...
[23:25] <kaddi> well this one wouldn't let kde start, so it was a bit annoying
[23:25] <lorddelta> Ubuntu was sort of unique for having the problem anyways, linux had been mixing bit widths for years...
[23:25] <lorddelta> Ah
[23:25] <kaddi> would only get the message "Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?"
[23:25] <lorddelta> I see.
[23:26] <kaddi> it's actually quite easy to fix.. but i was a bit surprised that kind of stuff is still happening if you upgrade 2 months after realase
[23:26] <kaddi> the problem being that the 32bit version of qdbus was installed instead of the 64bit one
[23:26] <lorddelta> I think I had a similar problem recently actually, but it fixed itself when I installed kubuntu-desktop; they forgot to update the repos when KDE switched their apt-repo...I'd recommend you check that you're all switch yourself.
[23:27] <kaddi> where did they switch to?
[23:28] <lorddelta> 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main
[23:28] <lorddelta> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main'
[23:28] <lorddelta> But I'm using lucid, mind
[23:28] <lorddelta> I don't remember where the url on the kde site is, but I'm sure ifyou googled for it long enough you could find it. :)
[23:28] <kaddi> you're talking about kde3? or why do you need backports?
[23:29] <lorddelta> kaddi: its called LTS
[23:30] <lorddelta> I have kde4
[23:30] <lorddelta> Good god I don't think anyone still uses kde3, at least I hope not.
[23:30] <kaddi> the backport ppa are usually for people that want to use old version of certain applications
[23:31] <kaddi> like amarok 1.4 or kde 3
[23:31] <lorddelta> Yeah, they moved the main sources for kubuntu (if you were on LTS at least) and so I was only getting half the updates.
[23:31] <kaddi> that's why I'm a bit confused, as to why those should now be necessary for a kubuntu install
[23:31] <kaddi> ah
[23:32] <lorddelta> backports are still updated
[23:32] <kaddi> yes
[23:32] <kaddi> i've used them in the past for amarok 1.4, for example
[23:32] <lorddelta> Anyways my point is that, considering they didn't handle the move properly, they may well have screwed up some other packaging.
[23:34] <lorddelta> 9 times out of ten whenever I've had a software problem in ubuntu its been because I've had a problem with the wrong (or too beta) version of a repo being installed.
[23:34] <kaddi> hehe, yeah.. i've moved away from that as well
[23:34] <kaddi> the times where I had to use it are over luckily and they weren't fun
[23:34] <kaddi> lol
[23:35] <lorddelta> ...well...you ARE in the kubuntu channel, so I hope you know you are getting the same ubuntu updates as everyone else, just you have kde instead.
[23:36] <lorddelta> (half the time the wrong-version of the software was my fault, not ubuntu's)
[23:37] <kaddi> eh, yes i know