[00:15] <phillw> sethj: balloons the testing suites are still fairly new. a decision on what test cases are applicable to which flavours and how this should be done has not yet been worked out. As the test case tracker is also undergoing major changes, it may be for the next vUDS, I've got my ideas of a basic spreadsheet for flavours to choose, but I've no idea of the 'wider' circle of thinking as to how the test cases for flavours can be easily allocated.
[00:19] <sethj> phillw, So the QAtracker is going to be phased out?
[00:19] <sethj> Or being rebuilt I guess.
[00:20] <phillw> sethj: the qa-tracker will remain, what you refer to is the application-tracker
[00:21] <sethj> oh.. OK.
[00:22] <phillw> sethj: for the ISO tracker we use http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ there is also the  http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:22] <phillw> along with possibly one more. The goal is to have them all merged into one.
[00:23] <sethj> Ah, that accounts for me having to login twice..
[00:24] <sethj> balloons: I synced to the latest Saucy and I can't reproduce that Compiz crash.. So something fixed it.
[00:25] <phillw> sethj: balloons is really the best person to ask about this. And as for having have to log on twice, canonical are going to make it so we have only one log in for all of the this area and for our free 'cloud' disk space area. There is a lot goig on :)
[00:26] <phillw> s/goig/going
[00:30] <phillw> sethj: at pre-alpha, bugs do get fixed :) Most often it is a 'whoops' we didn't get that in. For people testing pre-alphas (and even alphas) I do reccomend that you take the time to read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434
[00:32] <sethj> OK, I'll do that :)
[00:32] <sethj> There is so much to read an understand.. It'll take me a while ;-)
[00:36] <phillw> it explains why pre-alphas can really break if you have them installed. IMHO, keep them in VM until they hit alpha :)
[09:51] <DanChapman> Good Morning :-)
[09:53] <smartboyhw> Hello DanChapman
[09:54] <DanChapman> hey smartboyhw, hows life?
[09:54] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, great:)
[09:55] <DanChapman> awesome :)
[10:06] <smartboyhw> phillw, PING PING PING PING
[13:23] <hyperdroid> ?
[13:24] <hyperdroid> umm... Hi?
[13:48] <phillw> smartboyhw: ?
[13:52] <elfy> anyone else having issues with running xubuntu install - desktop launcher fails
[13:52] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1193526
[13:53] <smartboyhw> phillw, have they posted the classroom sessions pomotion yet?
[13:54] <phillw> smartboyhw: I have no idea. I sent http://pastebin.com/BE8ba2G4 to the classroom mailing list.
[13:54] <smartboyhw> phillw, I knew it...
[13:55] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, pleia2 PING PING PING
[13:55] <elfy> smartboyhw: you do know that people have lives as well I assume ;)
[13:55] <elfy> phillw: that install bug appears to affect lubuntu as well ^^
[13:57] <smartboyhw> elfy, I know...
[14:02] <phillw> elfy: I'm on a 3G dongle, so cannot really spare the bandwidth to even zsync up my iso. We've been concentrating on the usage of ZRam with a straight 'install from desktop CD' rather than from the 'try without installing' option. I'll alert our testers to it. Thanks for the heads up.
[14:03] <elfy> welcome
[14:53] <phillw> elfy: one of the tester has added a comment to the bug report. It was working a few days ago, so is a new bug.
[14:54] <elfy> yea seen it
[14:54] <elfy> thanks
[15:15] <phillw> it could do with getting sorted asap as the A1 season starts on monday :)
[15:17] <smartboyhw> phillw, I am going to make a blog post about sessions on Monday to Planet Ubuntu.
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Classroom sessions I mean
[15:22] <phillw> smartboyhw: cool, I hope my draft is of use to you!
[15:22] <smartboyhw> phillw, sort of. But I will mainly focus of the Monday sessions ONLY.
[15:24] <phillw> smartboyhw: okies, please mention the two critera that are asked for :)
[15:24] <smartboyhw> phillw, OK:)
[15:27] <phillw> I'll cover the new wiki area for zsync in the classroom session, it's a bit too involved to ask n00bs to take in, but Jonathan has done an outstanding job on it ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy/Zsync ) which should make all of our lives a bit easier :)
[15:30] <phillw> smartboyhw: the keeping a few iso's around is certainly a good idea, as elfy has found a bug that was recently created. It gives the devs a good shortcut as to when a bug occurred.
[15:31] <smartboyhw> phillw, OK.
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Hmm phillw I need to sleep now...
[15:33] <phillw> indeed.... I thought it was late for you! Sweet dreams, and don't let the penguin catch you :D
[16:22] <pleia2> phillw: thanks! posting now
[16:37] <pleia2> http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/ubuntu-qa-sessions-for-saucy/
[16:54] <pleia2> classbot's script is all up and loaded, even so I'll try to get up early tomorrow to make sure the first session goes well
[18:22] <phillw> pleia2: thanks, my posting on https://www.facebook.com/Lubuntu.Official.Page has a viewed by figure of 817 people! If we get 1% of that, I'll be happy. During ubuntu introduction week when I did my session for lubuntu, we gained a new tester. I really do see that these sessions do allow people to see that it is not 'scary' to be a tester :D
[20:02] <thomi> morning
[22:17] <svwilliams> Question for anyone online.  If an application (say thunderbird) doesn't respond to Ctrl-Q when the "Welcome" dialogue for new users is open would you consider that a bug?
[22:18] <svwilliams> Close is Ctrl-w (which it responds to) and Quit is Ctrl-q which is fails to respond to
[22:18] <svwilliams> I'm attempting to write the autopilot tests and I don't know if I should leave in the test for Ctrl-Q which fails or expect it to fail and keep it out of the test
[22:20] <Noskcaj> svwilliams, most of the autopilot guys are either sleeping or still in sunday, but i'd assume tht's a bug
[22:21] <svwilliams> ok, I'll shoot it out to the list and leave it in for now unless someone tells me otherwise thanks Noskcaj
[22:24] <svwilliams> p
[22:46] <thomi> svwilliams: Hey - I don't think that's a question for autopilot devs - it sounds like you need to talk to th thunderbird developers