[00:50] <AskUbuntu> Motorola razr hd XT925 - touch preview | http://askubuntu.com/q/311593
[00:54] <AmEv> Hmmm... Trying to compile a kernel, but can't get it to fit in a proper boot.img...
[03:24] <postmodern> so will ubuntu phone image contain apt-get?
[03:24] <postmodern> so i can install .deb packages for arm?
[05:30] <djjeff> I put raring onto my tablet and it works
[05:30] <djjeff> I put saucy onto my tablet
[05:30] <djjeff> it starts but the screen is all black
[05:31] <djjeff> what could be causing that
[05:31] <djjeff> drivers were changed in saucy?
[06:03] <djjeff> I can do adb shell and get into the chroot ubuntu when running saucy and was able to check /var/log
[06:04] <djjeff> postmodern it already has apt-get
[06:04] <dorsatum> hi, guys, i tried at my hand at the standard currency converter app, the issue i had was that initially Componentshowcase.qml wouldn't work, because a number of components were not installed
[06:04] <djjeff> you just need to chroot into /data/ubuntu
[06:10] <dorsatum> Now, the qml file is there but once i type Qt in the dash
[06:10] <dorsatum> i get 4 resultss for Qt Components for components showcase
[06:11] <dorsatum> how can this  be resolved?
[06:21] <dorsatum> any ideas?
[07:14] <popey> postmodern: it does currently, but I don't know about the final version
[07:18] <AskUbuntu> ubuntu touch os for Sony xperia go | http://askubuntu.com/q/311655
[09:18] <TobyK> Hi... in which order should I flash the armhf vs armle files?
[09:21] <popey> TobyK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[09:21] <TobyK> got it, thanks popey
[10:41] <postmodern> popey, awesome, i hope it does, somehow!
[10:41] <postmodern> popey, it would make things much simpler for me and other developers
[10:59] <ogra_> postmodern, by default apt will be disabled in the final image, app will be installed using click packages, but there will be a "developer" option that lets you enable apt if desired
[10:59] <ogra_> *apps
[10:59] <postmodern> ogra_, why?
[11:00] <ogra_> because we do image based updates of the system
[11:00] <postmodern> ogra_, i guess being able to re-enable it is better than having to jail break the phone ;)
[11:00] <ogra_> (the developer option will disable that and you will need to use apt, cant have both reliably)
[11:01] <postmodern> ogra_, that sounds like a _horrible_ system update design
[11:01] <postmodern> ogra_, user install apt packagees should be installed outside of the main system image ?
[11:01] <ogra_> why ? apt isnt the primary tool on a target to install anything for endusers
[11:02] <ogra_> that would require heavi modification of apt for no good
[11:02] <ogra_> the default install mechanism are click packges
[11:03] <ogra_> an enduser wil never get in touch with apt
[11:03] <postmodern> ogra_, then sounds like apt isn't verify configurable and highly coupled to /usr
[11:04] <ogra_> the point is that apt is a system wide tool that requires administrative rights ... click packages are user based
[11:05] <ogra_> additionally there is the fact that / will be readonly ... you would have to remount it all the time for apt actions
[11:06] <ogra_> (there also wont be any UI for apt/debs)
[11:07] <ogra_> it is a tool for developers that use the commandline, we will indeed offer a way for you to use it, but it wont be the default
[11:07] <postmodern> ogra_, sounds like a design limitation in apt
[11:08] <ogra_> that it doesnt allow per user installed packages ?
[11:08] <ogra_> yeah, kind of
[11:08] <ogra_> but then it was never designed for that from the grouod up
[11:08] <ogra_> *ground
[11:09] <ogra_> beyond the fact that it is way to heavyweight for a phone
[11:09] <ogra_> (you need to maintain huge databases on disk etc)
[11:24] <ogra_> hmm, no tedg ...
[11:25] <ogra_> teh hud service looks really bad wrt startup time http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/bootchart-maguro.png
[11:25] <ogra_> (friends-dispatcher too
[11:25] <ogra_> )
[11:29] <postmodern> ogra_, sounds your contradicting yourself
[11:29] <ogra_> ?
[11:30] <ogra_> postmodern, in what ?
[11:30] <postmodern> ogra_, should be a way to install additional packages
[11:31] <ogra_> for developers there will be ...  the default package management is done via click packages though
[11:31] <postmodern> ogra_, ok
[11:32] <ogra_> there wont be any UI integration with apt, you will only be able to use it from commandline ... so there is no reason to enable it by default (or ship endless megabytes of package DBs in the image)
[11:33] <ogra_> and as i said above it breaks the concept of diffed system upgrades
[11:34] <ogra_> s/system/system image/
[15:00] <AskUbuntu> ctrl+R shortcut doesnt work anymore | http://askubuntu.com/q/311770
[17:05] <AmEv_> Eh...?
[17:06] <AmEv_> Trying to get a "custom" kernel, but when I add the configs and patth, it makes the zImage too big.
[17:07] <ogra_> define to big
[17:11] <AmEv_> It came out 3.8MB.
[17:12] <AmEv_> Then initrd.img was .2MB.
[17:12] <AmEv_> So, 4MB.
[17:15] <AmEv> It does boot into Android without the patches on the Wiki, but adding them, abootimg chews me out that it's too big.
[17:15] <AmEv> The new kernel, keeping the ramdisk.
[17:17] <AmEv> Then there's the issue of black screen on boktup...
[17:17] <AmEv> PS: antares is my device.
[17:26] <AmEv> So, what is the best way to troubleshoot blank screen on boot?
[17:28] <AmEv> Still going to try the latest image....
[18:51] <mcmohan> hi
[18:52] <mcmohan> im looking for some help in installing ubuntu touch
[18:53] <mcmohan> hi anybody there
[18:55] <mcmohan> hi guys
[18:56] <mcmohan> im looking help in installing ubuntu touch
[18:56] <mcmohan> anybody can help me?
[18:57] <wilee-nilee> mcmohan, I can't help other than to say all the info you need is in the channel headers.
[18:58] <mcmohan> yes
[18:58] <mcmohan> im stuck in final step
[18:58] <mcmohan> since in not very good in linux
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> mcmohan, You realize this is in development, there is not much there really, and to do anything with it you will have to have some experience, IE in knowing how to chroot...etc. In other words you may find it even if you get it running not done yet and satifactory.
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> not satisfactory*
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> At least that is what I found, nice golas of the development of it but hardly close to finish.
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> goals*
[19:06] <popey> mcmohan: whats the specific issue?
[19:10] <gnito> touch on the note 2?
[19:15] <popey> gnito: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices its listed there
[19:15] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/n7100 is the specific page
[19:23] <gnito> the n7100 is the unlock version, i have the AT&T
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> mhall119, I recognized you, lol
[19:54] <mhall119> so it's not just lurking, it's stalking :)
[19:56] <wilee-nilee> lol I actually help in #ubuntu at times, actually just lurking the channels is a great education.
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> on the OS's
[19:58] <mhall119> that's actually why I lurk in most of the channels too
[19:59] <popey> I lurk because I'm following mhall119
[19:59]  * mhall119 constantly looks over his shoulder
[19:59] <netcurli> :D
[20:00] <popey> Yeah, keep watching buddy..
[20:01] <wilee-nilee> I'm just a couch enthusiast, just happened to get a computer from a recycler that was ubuntu when I returned to college, never had used a computer regularly, and found open source to be an interesting secondary pursuit.
[20:01] <popey> Oh that's rather excellent
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> Kind of a obsession really, I'm in a intercultural studies program otherwise, lol
[21:11] <AndroUser> Hoi
[21:14] <Frederik> Hi
[21:50] <AskUbuntu> No keyboard in wireless app for Saucy Touch 22? | http://askubuntu.com/q/311907
[22:00] <yakov> hello
[22:01] <popey> hi yakov
[22:01] <yakov> i tried to install touch on nexus 7 3g but seems like install stuck on 'waiting for device'
[22:01] <yakov> could you give me some hints
[22:01] <popey> how did you install?
[22:01] <yakov> usual install from wiki
[22:01] <yakov> phablet-flash -d grouper -b
[22:02] <yakov> installer rebooted device to boot menu and stuck with message <waiting for device>