[07:27] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:36] <popey> yo
[07:47] <MooDoo> :)
[07:56] <christel> good morning prettycakes!
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning christel <3
[08:04] <popey> ooh http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1267261/snowden-leaves-hong-kong-commercial-flight-moscow
[08:11] <shauno> heh, as if China didn't make them antsy enough.  he's going for the whole fan club
[08:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:20] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:25] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:29] <hd5770> morning guys
[08:30] <hd5770> today i will install ubuntu
[08:31] <brobostigon> good luck.
[08:32] <brobostigon> always recommended, take backups all that normal stuff, beforehand, incase, play safe.
[08:46] <MooDoo> backup?  what are these backups of which you speak ;)
[08:50] <popey> was at a kids party yesterday and was quizzed about backups ☻
[08:50] <MooDoo> anyone know how czajkowski is going in NYC?
[08:50] <MooDoo> popey: what fun....
[08:50] <MooDoo> although I am paranoid about backups lol
[08:50] <popey> she flys back this weekend
[08:51] <MooDoo> popey: jelly and backups party eh?
[08:51] <popey> no jelly, but beer and hot dogs
[08:51] <popey> and water baloons ☻
[08:52] <MooDoo> even better
[08:55] <MooDoo> was this extreame water balooning popey ?
[08:55] <popey> ☻
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's when  you fill some of the balloons with toxic chemicals?
[09:06] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: It's ok, I'm just picturing popey on a trampoline throwing water baloons.
[09:07] <popey> there was no tramopline, but there was a bouncy castle ☻
[09:08] <MooDoo> :)
[09:38] <popey> directhex: Dead Island is a bit fun
[09:38] <popey> bizarre that random people on the internet join in my games though
[09:39]  * popey switches that off
[10:09] <alistair> can i get help here regarding a wifi issue?
[10:10] <MooDoo> alistair: just ask, if anyone can help they will
[10:10] <AlanBell> and stay online for more than a few seconds ;)
[10:14] <alistair> i have a realtek 8188ce b/g/n controller and i am running ubuntu 13.04, the connection keeps dropping every 3 minutes but it was working fine for a few months before that, how can i fix?
[10:15] <AlanBell> Bug #1171708
[10:16] <AlanBell> hmm, not sure what exactly is solved about that
[10:17] <AlanBell> alistair: looks like someone else had the same problem and resolved the issue by downloading the vendor latest drivers, which you could try doing
[10:18] <AlanBell> but really the right package in Ubuntu needs updating
[10:20] <AlanBell> I would suggest downloading the driver and installing it as per that bug report (you will need sudo in front of the make install line)
[10:20] <AlanBell> and add a comment to the bug saying whether or not it resolved your issue
[10:22] <alistair> many thanks for your help :-)
[10:33]  * SuperEngineer awoke this morning to the realisation that he had done 1st compile on a *nix system since the days of Unix system V!
[10:33] <SuperEngineer> ...better be carteful - be coding again if I'm not careful ;)
[10:33] <SuperEngineer> *careful
[10:33] <MooDoo> SuperEngineer: stop that now lol
[10:34] <SuperEngineer> :D
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: proper Unix? :)
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: or do you count compiling on Linux as well?
[11:23] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I used to work on proper Unix [even had to do the dreaded the course supplied by ICL] - manual as thick as a bible on my desk at all times.
[11:24] <SuperEngineer> ...that was however a few days ago [sub days/decades but don't tell!]
[11:25] <SuperEngineer> yesterday was 1st compile on Linux
[11:34] <SuperEngineer> thinking of which... bbs - gonna do a full restart & check all still works
[11:48] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - so far, so good
[12:29] <dogmatic69> hi all
[12:29] <MooDoo> hello dogmatic69
[12:29] <dogmatic69> having so much problems with 13.04 :/
[12:29] <MooDoo> boooo i'm just installing it now on my laptop
[12:29] <dogmatic69> was a real pain making GXT550 Ti work, then was ok for some days.
[12:30] <dogmatic69> started up this morning, was no longer using nvidia driver and unity was dead
[12:30] <dogmatic69> managed to make the drivers work again, and now have title bars from unity but no main bar thingy
[12:31] <dogmatic69> cant <windows-key> anything
[12:32] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: my thoughts, its like some amateur alpha version. Really thinking about switching now, have read that others like kbuntu / xbuntu are much better these days
[12:33] <dogmatic69> Since clean install of 13.04 +- 3 days ago, I must have had 50 -> 100 'this xyz has died, report problem / restart'
[12:34] <dogmatic69> just 5 minutes ago apport died
[12:39] <MooDoo> booo
[12:43] <dogmatic69> biab, another reboot...
[12:51] <alistair> icecast
[12:52] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: hope you have better luck. I now have unit stuff working again, but lost all my personal changes...
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what kind of hardware are you running on?
[12:56] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: seems ok at the moment.
[12:58] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: Ausus P5N-D mobo, Q8800 (or something) quad core cpu, 2x GTX550 Ti, SSD hdd
[12:59] <dogmatic69> anyone know where the side bar config is stored (icon size / sticky / icons etc)
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> gsettings, I think
[12:59] <dogmatic69> I backed up and deleted the .config/ folder
[12:59] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: just want to copy the files / lines. not re do it all again.
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I think it's in ~/.config
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> but I can't find where
[13:17] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: its def in .config, I know that much as that is the folder I removed.
[13:17] <dogmatic69> seems like there are some bin configs there, could be one of them
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> it's the dconf/gsettings one
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> I don't know why that has 2 names
[13:22] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: that is the one. mine is corrupt :(
[14:53] <Azelphur> Anyone here happen to know what kind of range you can get on a wireless qi charger, and whether it'd work through cloth?
[14:53] <Azelphur> random questions :P
[14:53] <daftykins> i actually have one
[14:54] <daftykins> for charging my Nexus 4
[14:54] <daftykins> thin cloth'd work yeah, but it seems to get unhappy after a few millimetres
[14:54] <Azelphur> I see
[14:55] <Azelphur> so I'd definitely get away with a piece of card, if not cloth :)
[14:55] <daftykins> yipyip
[14:56] <daftykins> i'm eventually going to get a proper set of custom shelves made up for my TV gear
[14:56] <daftykins> amp, consoles, etc
[14:56] <daftykins> my mate had the genius idea of recessing the Qi charger into the top panel then putting thin glass over the top
[14:56] <daftykins> then it'd be kinda invisible to just place the phone down on :O
[14:57] <Myrtti> Someone has done it with ikea nightstand
[14:58] <daftykins> oh?
[14:58] <Myrtti> http://www.slashgear.com/wireless-charging-nightstand-mod-injects-nokia-qi-into-ikea-30279904/
[14:59] <daftykins> haha, so it is
[14:59] <daftykins> ty Myrtti
[14:59] <Myrtti> yw
[15:02] <Azelphur> nice
[15:14] <Myrtti> I'd use Nokia or some other quality make charger for that mood though
[15:15] <Myrtti> not entirely convinced el cheapos would manage through wood that well
[15:15] <daftykins> Azelphur: what device are you going to be charging?
[15:17] <Azelphur> daftykins: same as you, nexus 4
[15:17] <daftykins> i saw lots of comments on the Nokia chargers allegedly not working
[15:17] <daftykins> it might have mostly been down to how slippery the phone is though, sliding around on it preventing a charge
[15:18] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Charging-Powermat-Standard-Charger/dp/B00BS8BJ7Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1372000674&sr=8-3&keywords=nexus+4+qi+charger
[15:18] <daftykins> i have that one
[15:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: my crazy plan was to get this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LG-WCP-300-Wireless-Charging-Pad-QI-standard-charger-LED-indicator-Black-colour-/300912734521#vi-content and put it in my coat pocket, connected to a USB charger.
[15:21] <daftykins> coat pocket 0o
[15:23] <Azelphur> yea, gotta admit that'd be awesome.
[15:23] <penguin42> and what were you going to power that off?
[15:24] <daftykins> so is the idea it always charges when you pocket it whilst out and about?
[15:25] <Azelphur> penguin42: I have one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battery-World-Universal-External-Li-Polymer-Compatible/dp/B008AS55O0
[15:26] <penguin42> Azelphur: heavy coat
[15:26] <Azelphur> penguin42: my coat breaks people, I carry around a laptop, phone, tablet, that battery, and a bunch of other stuff.
[15:27] <daftykins> O_O
[15:27] <daftykins> a coat with pockets for such things!?
[15:27] <Azelphur> Yup
[15:27] <penguin42> the nuclear power source in his back pocket....
[15:27] <daftykins> XD
[15:27] <daftykins> i just have a lovely laptop bag from crumpler
[15:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:28] <daftykins> but i need to cycle with my toys too
[16:42] <penguin42> odd that Youtube still has the old notification header
[17:35] <alistair> hi i am trying to get the rlt8188ce to work on ubuntu 13.04 i uninstalled linux firmware to enable me to install firmware-realtek and the connection is shown in the network connections window but there is no option to enable wifi, what do i need to install to get this option?
[17:47] <daftykins> hmm
[17:47] <daftykins> not much patience
[17:48] <daftykins> penguin42: how do you mean?
[17:49] <penguin42> daftykins: Still has the little redsquare with the number at the top
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> Wow.. that was a big BigV outage
[18:03] <penguin42> oh? The older bytemark stuff is fine
[18:03] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: i only by chance found mine seized the other day :(
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: https://forum.bytemark.co.uk/comments.php?DiscussionID=4551&page=1
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> also, https://forum.bytemark.co.uk/comments.php?DiscussionID=4546&page=1#Item_2
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> but yes, you have to look for it yourself :(
[18:04] <daftykins> i'd be happy if they auto reset them
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: some of their disk servers ("tails") went to go cry in a corner, I guess
[18:04] <daftykins> phew redtape lurks in other channels now
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> yay.. uh.. I mean
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> does he now?
[18:05] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Ah yeh just looked at the forums - my VM is pre-BigV
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I moved mine a few months ago
[18:05] <penguin42> mine was UML some years back
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> mine was kvm with an external kernel
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> which was annoying
[18:06] <penguin42> yeh that's how mine is still
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> now it's just bare KVM, so I boot a proper Ubuntu in it
[18:06] <daftykins> i'm using wheezy with their symbiosis thing
[18:06] <daftykins> it's pretty neat
[18:06] <penguin42> looking at the dates in the fileystem I think it was created about 2005
[18:07] <penguin42> (running wheezy)
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> Everyone is rebooting their VMs now.. disk access is SLOOOOW
[18:09] <daftykins> heh
[18:09] <daftykins> mines still serving a site so i'm sure it's alright
[18:09] <daftykins> although i still can't SSH in since i changed the default port =|
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> haha, oops
[18:10] <daftykins> yeah their auto firewall thingy seems to be breaking things
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Is anyone else going to Spa for F1 in August? :)
[18:16] <daftykins> hah, yip their firewall thingy is opening port 22 but not the port i changed it to
[18:16] <daftykins> silly bigv
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: must be your own firewall
[18:16] <daftykins> no
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: because I can connect on lots of ports just fine
[18:17] <daftykins> i think you misunderstand, my BigV VM is running symbiosis which has automated firewall config
[18:17] <daftykins> i changed my SSH port, but their rules statically consider SSH to be on the default port alone
[18:17] <daftykins> weirdly it worked once i set it up, as i changed what my SSH port is in their config files too
[18:17] <daftykins> yet somehow it's now broken
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> ah, symbiosis' firewall ;)
[18:18] <daftykins> yip
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: at least the console works, right (bigv -> vm connect:)
[18:19] <daftykins> yeah that's what i'm using
[18:19] <daftykins> the way it doesn't give you the login prompt confuses sometimes :D
[18:19] <daftykins> having a blank line and just having to start typing your user
[18:22] <popey> Evening
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[18:33] <daftykins> \o
[18:34] <daftykins> ugh this woodworm business really isn't pleasant
[18:34] <daftykins> keep finding them about the house and have to grab them for disposal
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> a mincraft question [just in case anyone here knows about minecraft lol]...
[18:35] <daftykins> i helped setup a Linux server once, that's about as far as it goes XD
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> ...why is thgere a mionecraft.net, minecraft.org [and what is minetest on software ceentre like].
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: why "grab them for disposal" - surely, a frying pan with bacon!  nom nom
[18:44] <daftykins> they're like 2mm long XD
[18:44] <penguin42> daftykins: Hmm never seen them; we get some silverfish every so often, and some carpet beetles
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> oooo -chewy woodworm with bacon! that needs a good lard to enjoy them at their best!
[18:45] <daftykins> -_-
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> ...and are you sure there's no locusts?  Then, with that lot you could do a pealla!  ;)
[18:50] <daftykins> you're kinda pushing that one a bit far
[18:50] <mungbean> star wars ep II is dull
[18:51] <mungbean> feels more like lame fan fiction
[18:52] <daftykins> i find the entire Star Wars franchise overrated tosh personally :(
[18:52] <mungbean> iv-vi are part of my childhood
[18:53] <daftykins> i'm sure it was different when they were new
[19:22] <daftykins> http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[19:22] <daftykins> oh-emm-gee
[19:22]  * popey notes daftykins may be watching LAS ☻
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> Amsterdam they say?
[19:23] <daftykins> popey: yeah redtape linked me, i'd never heard of it
[19:23] <daftykins> popey: in another chan i might add, he hides from you
[19:24] <popey> twat
[19:24] <popey> (I am in that channel too)
[19:25] <daftykins> :D
[19:25] <daftykins> he is a weird one ;x
[19:25] <daftykins> i quite like this rasp-pi colo for free idea
[19:25] <popey> yeah, neat
[19:26] <penguin42> daftykins: I wonder whether they've just got a fast x86 somewhere running qemu
[19:27] <daftykins> and they keep the pi's? :)
[19:27] <popey> heh
[19:28] <popey> we use qemu based arm builders for ubuntu
[19:28] <popey> https://launchpad.net/builders see the bottom of that list
[19:29] <daftykins> heh that dudes using a quake console style terminal emulator with irssi in it, isn't he?
[19:30] <daftykins> hackintosh lappy, oddness
[19:31] <popey> his system76 machine?
[19:31] <daftykins> yeah i assumed that he was saying it's a hackintosh, earlier
[19:31] <popey> ah
[19:31] <daftykins> or maybe that was just about a home system
[19:32] <popey> i thought his hackintosh was another machine, desktop class
[19:32] <daftykins> probably then yeah
[19:32] <popey> photo he posted was a giant monitor
[19:32] <daftykins> ah didn't see that
[19:32] <daftykins> just when he's got his laptop up i couldn't tell the OS
[19:33] <popey> i think his hackintosh is old
[19:33] <popey> been around a while
[19:33] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/108668411027851722546/posts/gaFXJ44EJe4
[19:35] <daftykins> ooh
[19:37] <daftykins> nice bit from Cheney there
[19:39] <popey> heh
[19:39] <popey> never seen this show
[19:41] <daftykins> i switch off at politics
[19:41] <popey> heh
[19:41] <popey> me too mostly
[19:41] <popey> especially us politics
[19:43] <popey> ooh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRivx-wEaiE
[19:43] <popey> might have to go and see that
[19:50] <daftykins> zomg ex star trek matey
[19:51] <daftykins> doesn't even look like he's aged a day in the last 12+ years
[19:53] <popey> oh thats what he was in!
[19:57] <daftykins> yip!
[19:57] <daftykins> TNG then a bit of DS9
[19:58] <shauno> I've been watching Enterprise over this weekend's shifts.  I almost feel guilty for getting past the first episode
[19:59] <daftykins> the first was pretty bad
[19:59] <daftykins> Q and court shenanigans? ugh
[19:59] <popey> I quite liked Enterpise
[19:59] <popey> more so than TNG
[19:59] <AlanBell> I watched the first several
[19:59] <popey> never got into TNG or DS9
[19:59] <daftykins> i've still yet to give it a go
[19:59] <popey> but then I quite like Scott Bakula from Quantum Leap
[19:59] <daftykins> i was trying to watch DS9 back to back 'recently' but it's tough going
[20:00] <daftykins> haha yeah :D
[20:00] <AlanBell> I was quite interested in the various bits of backstory they were giving the technology like transporters and replicators
[20:00] <daftykins> i tried to watch all of Quantum Leap too but my word is it samey
[20:00] <popey> oh very much so
[20:00] <popey> but most american stuff back then was
[20:00] <popey> where there was no season story arc
[20:01] <popey> like you get now with programmes like Dexter
[20:01]  * brobostigon wont get inveolved as an inparital memory-alpha editor.
[20:01] <daftykins> there were some proper plot episodes in Quantum Leap
[20:01] <daftykins> but yeah quite rare
[20:01] <daftykins> i'd heard how the very ending went but i just couldn't get there :D
[20:03]  * popey has no idea what "memory-alpha editor"
[20:03] <popey> *is
[20:04] <daftykins> memory alpha is a star trek wiki i think
[20:04] <shauno> star trek wikia
[20:04] <popey> ahh
[20:04]  * AlanBell hums Piggy Sue
[20:04] <brobostigon> yep.
[20:05] <popey> googling piggy sue is interesting
[20:05] <daftykins> is that some kind of Muppets cover of Peggy Sue? :>
[20:06] <AlanBell> it was a rather good twist at the end of a Quantum Leap episode
[20:08] <AlanBell> http://www.sheilaomalley.com/?p=7857
[20:09] <daftykins> oh yes :)
[20:09] <daftykins> Sam's morals got pretty frustrating throughout that series too
[20:10] <daftykins> :D
[20:11] <mungbean> didn't QL become quantum shag?
[20:11] <popey> because he wanted to get home
[20:12] <mungbean> bit like a frustrated teenager waking up from a dirty dream too early, sam would jump just at the wrong time
[20:12] <popey> and just shagging his way through history wouldn't have resulted in that
[20:12] <daftykins> XD
[20:12] <popey> i dont recall the piggy sue ep, but it was a loooong time ago
[20:12] <popey> i had them on VHS at one point
[20:12] <mungbean> so did he ever get home?
[20:13] <popey> there was a last episode
[20:13] <daftykins> i saw an ep where he was back in his own time briefly
[20:13] <popey> no spoilers!
[20:13] <popey> ㋛
[20:13] <daftykins> i think he might have been in someone elses body though
[20:13] <mungbean> i always think its like"how i met your mother"...nonsense wrapper around a basic programme
[20:13] <popey> never seen that either
[20:13] <mungbean> wife watches it, i ended up watching
[20:13] <mungbean> into the returned atm,
[20:13] <mungbean> its on now
[20:13] <mungbean> but recording it
[20:13] <mungbean> really atmospheric
[20:14]  * popey checks to see if QL is on netflix
[20:14] <mungbean> returned itson 4od
[20:14] <popey> YES!
[20:14] <daftykins> i'm not sure i could deal with TV sharing
[20:14] <mungbean> also baby is unwell
[20:14] <daftykins> i'd have to get a 3D one that you can show two sources on at once XD
[20:14] <mungbean> and i don't like advers
[20:14]  * popey watches QL S1E1
[20:14] <mungbean> waits for tldr in 1hr
[20:15] <popey> haha, the woman in the opening scene has LEDs in her shoe heels
[20:16]  * mungbean has been lookng at dioramas. wish i had an excuse to make one
[20:16] <shauno> on a completely unrelated note, I've been enjoying Kerbal Space Program.  very nerdy.  on steam, on linux, has a free demo
[20:16] <shauno> surprised I hadn't heard of it
[20:16] <daftykins> popey: that's just the totally accurate future ;)
[20:17] <mungbean> except only 5yr olds wear them
[20:17] <popey> its not far off
[20:17] <popey> you can buy them now
[20:17] <mungbean> life imitating art?
[20:17] <mungbean> ugh i need to try and sleep now in case i dont sleep later
[20:18]  * popey hugs netflix
[20:19]  * daftykins pats locally stored media
[20:20]  * brobostigon hugs his pink floyd records.
[20:24] <daftykins> *crack crack shatter*
[20:24] <daftykins> D:
[20:25] <brobostigon>  ihave them on cd's now, :)
[20:33] <popey> Yes, S03E01 he leaps back into himself as a kid
[20:34] <popey> I used to have a TDK tape with loads of TV themes on, recorded directly off the telly ☻
[20:34] <daftykins> indeedy
[20:34] <popey> including QL
[20:34] <daftykins> haha
[20:35] <popey> pip pip hamitron
[20:42]  * hamitron runs out of the way of popey's path
[21:26] <bigcalm> Hola peeps :)
[21:26] <popey> pip pip
[21:26] <bigcalm> Humf, too many ubuntu-uk channels open.
[21:26] <popey> "too many"?
[21:26] <bigcalm> 3 last count
[21:27] <hamitron> do you guys still play minecraft?
[21:27] <bigcalm> The channel list is partly obscuring the list, so I see "#ubuntu-uk" 3 times
[21:27] <bigcalm> Anybody's guess as to which one I was talking in :)
[21:28] <popey> hah
[21:28]  * popey hugs irssi
[21:34] <popey> hmm, minecraft just gives me a black screen
[21:34] <hamitron> I haven't played for ages
[21:34] <popey> my kids play most weekends
[21:34] <hamitron> you still running a server?
[21:35] <popey> yeah, for the kids to play on, but publicly we play on the bitfolk one
[21:35] <hamitron> ok :)
[22:04] <brobostigon> any interested people around, to write NDA's for something?
[22:05] <popey> can you not use a pre-written one?
[22:06] <brobostigon> i am just looking at.
[22:06] <popey> never had to, but sounds like the kind of thing you can find online
[22:06] <brobostigon> yes, you can.
[22:09] <brobostigon> only NDA i ever signed, was in 2001 with BE, to design machines based on BeOS, which as i didnt know t the time, wasnt long before there collapse.
[22:10] <brobostigon> when i was at collage.
[22:11] <brobostigon> their*
[22:14] <daftykins> that's where you were going wrong, you were studying at a type of artwork!
[22:15] <brobostigon> i was studying a form pf computer engineering.
[22:15] <brobostigon> of*
[22:15] <hamitron> didn't include typing classes? ;)
[22:16] <brobostigon> no, it did not, otherwise i would have became a secretery.
[22:18] <brobostigon> great song, random choice, from my sd card on my new tv, weird thing.
[22:18] <brobostigon> dads*
[22:19] <brobostigon> brothers in arms.