[00:05] <xubuntu680> hi guys. was hoping someone could point me in the right direction - have and old compaq presario 5000 running xp, was hoping to find step by step for beginner/dummy how to install ubuntu if possible. thanks for any help!
[00:10] <nagev> hi, the installation guide is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/installation-guide/i386/index.html
[00:10] <xubuntu680> wow, that was quick reply! :) tyvm!
[00:50] <haljhon> am I a bad person for never reading the installation guides?
[00:51] <haljhon> I just run the installers and, if all goes well, I assume I'm golden... I only look if something is jacked.
[00:52] <Unit193> Yeah, the type that reads the manual only when something goes wrong.  When all else fails, read the manual. :D  (Same here.)
[00:52] <haljhon> I'm such a guy.
[01:42] <xubuntu787> .
[01:42] <xubuntu787> Alguien que hable espa~ol?
[03:42] <akdor1154> morning all. A quick question - it looks like it's impossible to use the messaging indicator in 13.04 because gtk2 support was dropped. Is this correct? is there any replacement / ppa? I've been googling for a while to find answers but can't see a huge amount of canonical (heh heh heh) information
[03:43] <Unit193> You are correct, there was a beta or so for a gtk3 version of xfce4-panel, and there's unofficial ways around it, but no stock options.
[03:46] <akdor1154> I thought the panel was still gtk2 only?
[03:46] <akdor1154> even going towards 4.12..
[03:47] <Unit193> Yes, why I said beta.
[03:49] <Unit193> It is gtk2, but there is been work on a gtk3 version you can use if you switch it on in a compile flag.
[03:50] <akdor1154> trunk only? or is it old enough to be in the raring source?
[03:51] <Unit193> Don't remember.
[03:51] <akdor1154> woop woop, I'll have a look around. thanks :)
[03:51]  * Unit193 used the other unsupported method. :P
[03:51] <akdor1154> ah right, and what would that be?
[03:51] <Unit193> Holding packages, but as a general rule not recommended. :D
[03:51] <akdor1154> ls
[03:52] <akdor1154> ah lol, fair enough
[03:52] <akdor1154> thanks
[03:52] <Unit193> Sure.
[04:24] <akdor1154> @Unit193, I just build the quantl gtk2 sources against raring libs, seems to work fine. Interested in amd64 debs?
[04:33] <akdor1154> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3iW4UPoBO3vV0Z3d2hYVTlzSjA/edit?usp=sharing
[04:47] <cmanns> Anyone use xubuntu on netbook?
[04:50] <baizon> cmanns: yes, me
[04:51] <cmanns> can I go from wubi.exe installed ubuntu 12.x to xUbuntu? Pretty sure
[04:52] <cmanns> I've used recent ubuntu's think I want to try the xu interface again since this things so slow and tiny screen. Love me some XfCE :3
[04:52] <cmanns> oic it has an option :D I shall select xubuntu env
[04:52] <baizon> cmanns: well i made a live USB and installed it from there
[04:53] <baizon> cmanns: xubuntu or lubuntu
[04:53] <baizon> you can try both
[04:55] <cmanns> I have used xubuntu, this handles w7 starter ok so don't think I need to go even less?
[05:19] <cmanns5> So far I love xubuntu just with the install. Nothings eating up that tiny arse 10.1 LED real estate
[05:20] <baizon> :)
[06:34] <ObrienDave> !install
[13:34] <nantou> is f-spot unstable when dealing with 35k pictures from an external HDD?
[13:34] <nantou> is kfotoalbum better for the task? what photo browser should I use?
[13:47] <[-iCe-]> Greetings, need help installing Skype. Can anyone tell me the apt-get command for it?
[13:48] <cfhowlett> make sure your partner repos are enabled.  then sudo apt-get install or use the software center
[13:50] <[-iCe-]> Thank you. That can be done on Ubunto Software Center -> Software Sources right?
[13:51] <cfhowlett> yes
[13:52] <[-iCe-]> great. Thank you
[14:51] <subman> I'm running xubuntu 13.04 on a netbook and find it a horrible experience.  Just booting it up, running a terminal, htop shows it is using 370 MB of RAM!  Simply starting Firefox and watching a youtube video will lock the machine up some times.  Only way out is to hard restart the machine.  This is meant for low resource machines?
[14:52] <cfhowlett> subman, how much ram do you have?
[14:52] <subman> cfhowlett, 1 GB
[14:52] <umit> selamunaleykum everybody
[14:53] <umit> my web videos play fast
[14:53] <cfhowlett> subman, a HD youtube video stream?  yeah, 1 gig is quite minimal ...
[14:53] <umit> what can i do to solve this problem
[14:54] <umit> have anybody a idea?
[14:55] <subman> So xubuntu is not for netbooks anymore?  It has grown to that extent of bla
[14:55] <subman> bloat?
[14:56] <baizon> subman: well um using it on a netbook
[14:56] <cfhowlett> subman, try playing a non-HD video.
[14:57] <flux242> subman: do you use a 32bit or 64bit distro?
[15:00] <w30> I have it on a Atom 4 gig ssd HP-Mini; works better than XP, which isn't saying uch.
[15:00] <w30> uch/much
[15:01] <flux242> nothing works better than xp
[15:01] <w30> usb-stick installed
[15:02] <w30> with XP on it there was no room left for word install.
[15:03] <w30> 512 ram is the weak point of the device though
[15:05] <w30> Lubuntu works better but didn't have as many bells and whistles
[15:06] <flux242> minimal xubuntu install without (as an option without network-manager) should do the trick
[15:50] <pcuser> Hello
[15:51] <pcuser> Is there any way i can find out the configuration of my mouse. I'm trying to find out how many buttons my PC thinks my mouse has
[15:52] <pcuser> Im running Xubuntu 13.04
[15:53] <nintet> hi
[15:53] <nintet> i installed xubuntu 12.04 LTS for AMD
[15:53] <torax> pcuser: you can check it with xev
[15:54] <nintet> i can make a new disk with Gparted, but i dont have permissions to write to it
[15:54] <torax> pcuser: run xev and click the buttons, it shows if your os understands it
[15:54] <nintet> it auto mounts as /media/sda3 but i cant even make a new folder
[15:55] <torax> nintet: you can check the rights from terminal "ls -l /media"
[15:55] <pcuser> torax: That's really cool...
[15:56] <torax> nintet: and you can change it with chmown, for example chown username:usergroup /media/sda3
[15:56] <pcuser> torax: I have a logitech mouse with a load of extra buttons on it, i am having trouble assigning those buttons to do things, but more importantly, the middle click button (triggered by pressing down on the scroll wheel) has stopped working a few days after a fresh install of 13.04
[15:56] <nintet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5792893/
[15:57] <nintet> yeah but now my SD card doesnt show up
[15:57] <nintet> something is wrong
[15:58] <pcuser> I know Logitech have no official support for linux, so i'm not getting my hopes up on assigning those extra buttons, but the middle click button worked fine for a few days after installing,
[15:58] <nintet> i tried to get help in #ubuntu but all the tutorials they were showing me had all this extra stuff that i obviously didnt need
[15:58] <torax> nintet: if you are only user on that computer you can safely do "sudo chown username:username /media/sda3"
[15:58] <torax> pcuser: hard to say why middle button is not working anymore :/
[15:59] <pcuser> Well in Xev every single button, including the extra buttons showed a response, i assume this means my PC is getting some kind of input from those buttons?
[15:59] <pcuser> But the middle click button shows no response at all, it's like i didnt even press the button
[15:59] <pcuser> but the middle click button on the mouse works fine in windows 7, so i know the hardware can't be faulty
[16:00] <nintet> now how do i get my SD card to show up again?
[16:00] <nintet> it just dropped out
[16:00] <nintet> thanks torax, that works
[16:01] <nintet> nevermind
[16:01] <torax> lsblk command shows all the mounted and unmounted devices, see if it shows up
[16:01] <nintet> ok thanks
[16:34] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to find an X tool that can specifically save the window position of an application, and always make a specific window always put back in the same place.. Mostly for Skype's main window that ALWAYS jumps up 10px and left 10px from the bottom-right corner I always put it to.
[16:34] <Psi-Jack> Anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this? hehe
[16:34] <Psi-Jack> Excluding: Don't use Skype, because that's just not helpful. :p
[16:38] <nikolam> Psi-Jack, using different window manager? choose one that can do it as you please or change code to act as you like, possibly user-friendly and not hard-coded?
[16:38] <elfy> I use devilspie and gdevilspie to do that
[16:39] <nikolam> oh great
[16:39] <Psi-Jack> Devilspie! That's one I think I might've used for this before. I just couldn't remember.
[16:43] <elfy> I've been using it for ages - you can write the configs manually, but I use gdevilspie for a gui - though there is a bug - you might need to fiddle a bit
[16:45] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdevilspie/+bug/1161594
[16:45] <Sysi> there's also wmctrl but I don't know if there's gui config for it or what it really does
[17:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[17:05] <Psi-Jack> elfy: Yeah, just hit that bug right off. LOL
[17:11] <elfy> yep - thought so - gksudo mousepad /usr/bin/gdevilspie
[17:12] <elfy> go to view set it to show line numbers - go to line 374 put an # at the beginning - save the file and it should work ok
[17:12] <elfy> Psi-Jack: ^^
[17:12] <Psi-Jack> yeah. I fixed it manually from the patch provided on that bug report, and it works.
[17:12] <elfy> good enough
[17:13] <Psi-Jack> elfy: I did better, I changed it to use xdg.BaseDirectory in the many places it needed.
[17:13] <elfy> I never mucked about with the patch - never managed to work out what to do with them :)
[17:13] <elfy> anyway - it's working :)
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> Well, the patch fixes functionality, while the comment line removes functionality.
[17:15] <elfy> probably - but I use it so rarely now it matters not - and the bug will likely stay like that till it's marked EOL
[17:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[17:18] <Psi-Jack> Wierd... I apply geometry rule to the Skype Window, and it's.. Off..
[17:19] <Psi-Jack> It's like it's not even talking to X11 properly, hence why the window-manager can't even get it right. heh
[17:26] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, I think I know what it kinda is.. gDevilsPie isn't taking into consideration the XFCE window dectorations.
[17:37] <Psi-Jack> elfy: Thanks, BTW.. This was what I was looking for. I decided how I wanted to fix this issue, and just basically de-decorate pidgin and skype's windows, so it's a cleaner look too. And less wasted space. :)
[17:38] <elfy> welcome
[17:39] <Psi-Jack> Now all I have to do is figure out how to for my display-manager so that my right monitor is on the right, and left monitor is on the left. LOL
[17:39] <Psi-Jack> The login window appears on the right monitor, but to get the mouse there from the left monitor, I have to go left to get to the right monitor. :)
[17:39] <elfy> well I use arandr
[17:39] <Psi-Jack> XFCE 4.12 fixes this after I login.
[17:40] <elfy> login is left here - mouse is there
[17:40] <elfy> not using 4.12 till it shows up
[17:41] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I installed the PPA. The only thing there in the xubuntu-dev PPA is xfce4-settings, which has the updated display settings applet.
[17:42] <elfy> k
[17:43] <knome> elfy, btw, we should get that into S.
[17:43] <knome> elfy, but i'm afraid it depends too much on 4.12.
[17:44] <elfy> yea
[17:45] <elfy> and no movement re 4.12 that I've seen
[17:50] <Psi-Jack> There we go. Simple, effective, fixed. :)
[17:51] <Psi-Jack> Now, all that's left for base tuning, is turning /off/ the bootsplash, because when using nVidia propriatery drivers, it fails to look good.
[17:56] <Psi-Jack> Now that's... Livable. :D
[17:59] <elfy> never see the bootsplash - waiting for kettle usually ...
[17:59] <Psi-Jack> Well, my bootup time is like 30 seconds from boot to fully logged in. :)
[18:00] <elfy> no idea - I'm usualy making tea ;)
[18:00] <Psi-Jack> haha
[18:01] <Psi-Jack> Holy moly.. Just logged into the company VPN for the first time since doing all this, and wow... like 40 routes just added once connected. heh
[18:02] <Psi-Jack> Cwazy. :)
[18:03] <Psi-Jack> But.. At least OpenConnect actually DOES work.
[18:03] <Psi-Jack> The last company I worked for, we either had to use the buggy and limited vpnc, or SonicWall's NetExtender bullcrap which both options totally sucked.
[19:50] <KYLEtheBAKER> if i remove an app that came installed with xubuntu, say catfish file search or one of the games, will they be reinstalled after a dist-upgrade?
[19:51] <KYLEtheBAKER> or will it keep them uninstalled unless i manually reinstall from apt
[19:51] <TheSheep> yes
[19:51] <TheSheep> they will be reinstalled
[19:51] <KYLEtheBAKER> is there a way to say no, i do not want this package no matter what?
[19:52] <TheSheep> actually, I think it won't be reinstalled if you do dist-upgrade manually
[19:52] <TheSheep> it will if you use the gui upgrader
[19:54] <KYLEtheBAKER> hm
[19:54] <KYLEtheBAKER> i always thought the gui upgrader was just a gui for apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:58] <KYLEtheBAKER> i can't decide if its worth it to trim my xubuntu install way down or if i should just grab a lighter distro
[19:59] <KYLEtheBAKER> i wan't to try out a tiling wm too, not sure how id feel about running xubuntu with half the packages missing and a different wm
[19:59] <KYLEtheBAKER> i just don't want set up all my stuff again
[20:39] <nantou> do you knpow of any photo organizer that shows pictures according to thier whole path and not just the filename?
[20:39] <nantou> im now testing darktable
[20:42] <bekks> nantou: I am using digikam.
[20:42] <nantou> bekks, repo>?
[20:42] <bekks> "sudo apt-get install didgikam"
[20:43] <bekks> "sudo apt-get install digikam" - thats correct now.
[20:53] <nantou> bekks, where in my menu is digikam installed? i dont see it under graphics
[20:55] <bekks> nantou: I dont know anything about your menus. Just run digikam :)
[20:56] <Sysi> Alt F2 or Winkey R should find it if you don't
[20:59] <contrapunctus> Sysi - Hi, welcome to Linux, and it's 'Super', not 'Winkey'.
[21:00] <contrapunctus> ...trolololo.
[21:01] <Sysi> it's also Super on windows but most people recognize it by the label on most keyboards
[21:04] <nantou> odd, ill have to searhc for the directory
[21:18] <ignore_me> Is there a xubuntu offically supported method for setting up network shares? PC to PC? Gigolo only seems to connect to but not setup shares. Is SAMBA my only option?
[21:18] <TheSheep> if you mean Microsoft Windows Network Shares, then yes
[21:19] <TheSheep> there are also other things, like nfs exports and sshfs and such
[21:19] <ignore_me> TheSheep: Linux to Linux. I have another xubuntu box and Ubuntu 12.04 box that I want to connect/share.
[21:20] <torax> I'd use nfs linux to linux
[21:20] <TheSheep> torax: I wouldn't
[21:20] <ignore_me> TheSheep: Hmm. Never used ssh.
[21:20] <torax> TheSheep: why?
[21:21] <TheSheep> ignore_me: it's the least troublesome one, i guess, because doesn't need any additional setup
[21:21] <TheSheep> torax: linux's implementation of nfs is still a little bit... lacking
[21:21] <ignore_me> Used nfs over a decade ago with my mandrake boxes, worked well then. Been using Ubuntu last few years. It's setup for sharing was fine, windows-like.
[21:21] <TheSheep> torax: if it was solaris, then sure
[21:22] <TheSheep> ignore_me: well, you can install and use whatever worked for ubuntu
[21:22] <TheSheep> ignore_me: but it it was widnows shares, then it was probably just some gui for easier configuration of samba
[21:23] <ignore_me> I like xubuntu; much lighter than it's parent. Sharing is the one issue I find it's missing as an expected feature.
[21:24] <TheSheep> ignore_me: well, just use gigolo with ssh, it should just work
[21:24] <ignore_me> I didn't really, "install" anything for Ubuntu. It was a fairly automatic setup, whatever it installed/configured when you right clikc to share for the first time.
[21:25] <ignore_me> OK - I'll do some research on using ssh. Don't know why nfs has sort of gone away. It was simple enough, linux to linux.
[21:27] <TheSheep> nfs gets wonky with poor connection or when the other computer crashes
[21:27] <TheSheep> at least on linux
[21:48] <ignore_me> TheSheep: Shouldn't be an issue on a home network. Is it still an option?
[21:48] <haljhon> I personally have come to prefer sshfs for sharing... because it doesn't require anything on the remote box.
[21:49] <haljhon> it is, however, a user-space driver
[22:00] <torax> how do i do remounting sshfs when laptop wakes up from suspend
[22:10] <ignore_me> torax: If you used gigolo, wouldn't it just reconnect using your bookmark (already has your credentials)?
[22:11] <torax> ignore_me: I dont use gigolo
[22:11] <torax> just wondering, not really xubuntu related
[22:17] <ignore_me> torax: Ah. I'm trying to stay within the ecosystem just to see how much I can get done with the standard tools provided. Doing some quick reading on ssh client/server. Seems straightforward enough. Can't believe we're still discussing this 20 years post Win 3.11 (windows for workgroups).
[22:21] <torax> :)
[22:21] <eylais> Just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04.  kernel is still 2.6.32-46.  Expected 3.x.x. Any ideas?
[22:22] <holstein> eylais: i would say, you didnt upgrade
[22:22] <Unit193> What's lsb_release -a  say?
[22:22] <eylais> Used the upgrade pick in updates
[22:23] <holstein> eylais: do you need assistance with Unit193 's suggestion?
[22:23] <eylais> Updates no longer show new kernal available
[22:23] <eylais> Did not see Unit193's suggestion
[22:23] <holstein> eylais: and what does "lsb_release -a" report when you run that command in the terminal and press the enter key?
[22:23] <eylais> Oops - sorry, I did
[22:23] <Unit193> I think you used update-notifier to install the new kernel for 10.04.
[22:24] <eylais> Unit193 - I think you are correct
[22:24] <eylais> But it stated that the vresion is 12.04
[22:24] <holstein> it?
[22:24] <eylais> update-notifier
[22:24] <holstein> eylais: the terminal caommand?
[22:24] <holstein> command*
[22:25] <eylais> lsb_release output:  LSB Version:	core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch
[22:25] <holstein> eylais: open the terminal, and enter lsb_release -a ..see what version you have now.. then, we can go from there if you have 10.04 and want 12.04
[22:25] <Unit193> Welp.
[22:26] <eylais> Sorry - left off the swithc: new output: LSB Version:	core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch
[22:26] <eylais> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[22:26] <eylais> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
[22:26] <eylais> Release:	12.04
[22:26] <eylais> Codename:	precise
[22:26] <holstein> eylais: i would run this in a terminal.. "sudo apt-get update" ..see that it reports no errors.. then run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:27] <Unit193> Make sure linux-image-generic is installed, then.
[22:27] <holstein> i just do fresh installs.. i find it takes less time, and i know what i have
[22:28] <eylais> Fresh installs always fail on my computer for 12.04; 10.04 always installs OK (xubuntu and mint)
[22:28] <holstein> eylais: then, the upgrade will fail for the same reason
[22:29] <eylais> No reason given for failure - just a black screen
[22:29] <holstein> eylais: typically, before i do *anything*... upgrade, or fresh install, i get a live CD and see that i can get to the desktop
[22:29] <holstein> !nomodeset | eylais
[22:29] <eylais> Did that - the live CD works.
[22:29] <Unit193> eylais: Did you run the two update commands, and check if the kernel metapackage is installed?
[22:29] <eylais> Doing the second now ...
[22:30] <holstein> if the live CD works, the you should get an install that works.. another scenario that might produce the behavior you are sharing is, bad hardware
[22:30] <eylais> kernel metapackage? How do I check
[22:30] <holstein> eylais: the package manager of your choice
[22:31] <eylais> synaptic ...
[22:31] <holstein> OR, just use the linux-image-generic name that Unit193 gave
[22:31] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[22:32] <eylais> dpkg -l | grep linux-image output:
[22:32] <eylais> ii  linux-image-2.6.32-45-generic-pae      2.6.32-45.104                                   Linux kernel image for version 2.6.32 on x86
[22:32] <eylais> ii  linux-image-2.6.32-46-generic-pae      2.6.32-46.108                                   Linux kernel image for version 2.6.32 on x86
[22:33] <holstein> eylais: any errors from "sudo apt-get update" ?
[22:33] <eylais> synaptic shows linux-generic-headers versions 3.2.0.48.58
[22:33] <eylais> No erros
[22:33] <Unit193> Yeah, you don't have the metapackage, thus you don't have the kernels.
[22:34] <eylais> Mark linux-generic for update?
[22:35] <Unit193> That'd do.
[22:36] <eylais> Someone mentioned "nomodeset" (or something like that). What would that do & where to set it?
[22:36] <holstein> !nomodeset | eylais
[22:36] <eylais> Wait - I see a web link
[22:36] <holstein> i test it from live CD's.. but, if the live CD boots, then the install should boot
[22:36] <holstein> i usually dont do any upgrades to packages during install, so i get the exact system that booted live
[22:37] <holstein> then, if i do an upgrade, i have a better idea of what could have happened.. and i have the older kernel to test
[22:37] <eylais> Test nomodeset from a live cd?  If I use the live cd thing are fine, if I install they fail
[22:37] <holstein> eylais: that is why i went on to type what i typed, which i can elaborate further about, if it doesnt communicate what im am trying to share with you
[22:37] <eylais> I "backed up" my old / using dd - I use the live cd to put it back after a failed install
[22:38] <holstein> if the live CD boots.. then, i know that kernel supports my hardware.. i dont need nomodeset
[22:38] <eylais> Again - for me - the live cd works, the install fails...
[22:38] <holstein> eylais: i understand that.. and im saying, you dont need
[22:38] <holstein> nomodeset
[22:39] <eylais> I then use the live CD to do dd if=savedroot of=/dev/sda2
[22:39] <holstein> eylais: but, you still have an issue, that you are exlaining, that makes *no* sense..
[22:39] <eylais> That is why I came to this forum: it makes no sense
[22:39] <holstein> eylais: if the live CD works.. the install should work.. and, if you are trying to "sneak" into 12.04 from 10.04, i would expect similar issues
[22:39] <holstein> so.. that gets me back to my point above..
[22:40] <eylais> I tried to install 12.04 (xubuntu and mint) from downloaded ISO files burned to DVD. Failed
[22:40] <holstein> whats the difference in the live CD and the install? plenty, if you take upgrades during the install.. i *do* *not* do that... so i get the same kernel.. as i was saying above
[22:41] <eylais> I do not take any upgrades during install - just install the supplied system
[22:41] <holstein> eylais: did you do upgrades while installing? did you test the md5 sums? did you test your memory? hard drive?
[22:41] <eylais> Yes, yes, yes
[22:42] <holstein> eylais: then, we are missing something.. and it is important to you
[22:42] <eylais> FYI - I was a sys admin many years ago who built UNIX from the source and installed on universtiy systems....
[22:42] <eylais> Not fully up to linux since I retired a few years ago...
[22:42] <holstein> i dont know what to say, other than, im booting and using 12.04
[22:43] <holstein> im not saying you are doing something incorrectly.. just that something is missing there.. anyways.. are you rebooted into the proper kernel?
[22:43] <eylais> "Proper"? As I inidcated, I'm on 2.6 expecting 3.x
[22:44] <holstein> eylais: correct.. im asking if you have applied the "fix" that Unit193 has suggested, and installed the 3.x kernel and rebooted?
[22:44] <eylais> The "fix" being to mark/install th e3.x linux-generic?
[22:45] <holstein> as Unit193 states "that'd do"
[22:45] <Unit193> I had linux-{image,kernel}-image drop out on my upgrade to Raring, installing both fixed it.  (linux-generic is a metapackage for those two metapackages.)
[22:45] <eylais> Could not do that whil in chat as system will reboot.  I'll do that and get back later eitehr way.  Thanks for the help
[22:46] <Unit193> Sure!
[22:50] <eylais> linux-generic update completed ... rebooting
[22:55] <eylais> Rebooted.  Go figure: uname -a output is now Linux arthur 3.2.0-48-generic #74-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 19:45:16 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[22:55] <eylais> Unit193 and holstein - thank you very much.  This was not the "right way" to get there, but it got there
[22:56] <Unit193> Heh, congrats.  If you've upgraded and stuff isn't broken, I call it a win.
[22:57] <eylais> It is a win.  Too bad there is no explanation of what is going on when upgrading or installing
[22:57] <eylais> My guess is some oddball harware config....
[23:28] <ignore_me> torax: TheSheep Installed openssh on all the boxes. Awesomeness. No windows boxes to worry about.
[23:30] <torax> ignore_me: sounds good :) and I found answer to my remount sshfs problem =)
[23:30] <ignore_me> torax: w
[23:31] <ignore_me> torax: What are you using? Two of my systems are laptops.
[23:43] <torax> I found solution for arch systemd did the magic there
[23:43] <torax> ...for arch, systemd...