[00:05] hi guys. was hoping someone could point me in the right direction - have and old compaq presario 5000 running xp, was hoping to find step by step for beginner/dummy how to install ubuntu if possible. thanks for any help! [00:10] hi, the installation guide is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/installation-guide/i386/index.html [00:10] wow, that was quick reply! :) tyvm! [00:50] am I a bad person for never reading the installation guides? [00:51] I just run the installers and, if all goes well, I assume I'm golden... I only look if something is jacked. [00:52] Yeah, the type that reads the manual only when something goes wrong. When all else fails, read the manual. :D (Same here.) [00:52] I'm such a guy. [01:42] . [01:42] Alguien que hable espa~ol? === jeanaustinr is now known as jeanaustinr|x === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:42] morning all. A quick question - it looks like it's impossible to use the messaging indicator in 13.04 because gtk2 support was dropped. Is this correct? is there any replacement / ppa? I've been googling for a while to find answers but can't see a huge amount of canonical (heh heh heh) information [03:43] You are correct, there was a beta or so for a gtk3 version of xfce4-panel, and there's unofficial ways around it, but no stock options. [03:46] I thought the panel was still gtk2 only? [03:46] even going towards 4.12.. [03:47] Yes, why I said beta. [03:49] It is gtk2, but there is been work on a gtk3 version you can use if you switch it on in a compile flag. [03:50] trunk only? or is it old enough to be in the raring source? [03:51] Don't remember. [03:51] woop woop, I'll have a look around. thanks :) [03:51] * Unit193 used the other unsupported method. :P [03:51] ah right, and what would that be? [03:51] Holding packages, but as a general rule not recommended. :D [03:51] ls [03:52] ah lol, fair enough [03:52] thanks [03:52] Sure. [04:24] @Unit193, I just build the quantl gtk2 sources against raring libs, seems to work fine. Interested in amd64 debs? [04:33] https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3iW4UPoBO3vV0Z3d2hYVTlzSjA/edit?usp=sharing [04:47] Anyone use xubuntu on netbook? [04:50] cmanns: yes, me [04:51] can I go from wubi.exe installed ubuntu 12.x to xUbuntu? Pretty sure [04:52] I've used recent ubuntu's think I want to try the xu interface again since this things so slow and tiny screen. Love me some XfCE :3 [04:52] oic it has an option :D I shall select xubuntu env [04:52] cmanns: well i made a live USB and installed it from there [04:53] cmanns: xubuntu or lubuntu [04:53] you can try both [04:55] I have used xubuntu, this handles w7 starter ok so don't think I need to go even less? [05:19] So far I love xubuntu just with the install. Nothings eating up that tiny arse 10.1 LED real estate [05:20] :) [06:34] !install [06:34] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - See also !automate === acerimmer is now known as cfhowlett === brandon is now known as Guest5216 [13:34] is f-spot unstable when dealing with 35k pictures from an external HDD? [13:34] is kfotoalbum better for the task? what photo browser should I use? === cfhowlett is now known as I === I is now known as cfhowlett [13:47] <[-iCe-]> Greetings, need help installing Skype. Can anyone tell me the apt-get command for it? [13:48] make sure your partner repos are enabled. then sudo apt-get install or use the software center [13:50] <[-iCe-]> Thank you. That can be done on Ubunto Software Center -> Software Sources right? [13:51] yes [13:52] <[-iCe-]> great. Thank you [14:51] I'm running xubuntu 13.04 on a netbook and find it a horrible experience. Just booting it up, running a terminal, htop shows it is using 370 MB of RAM! Simply starting Firefox and watching a youtube video will lock the machine up some times. Only way out is to hard restart the machine. This is meant for low resource machines? [14:52] subman, how much ram do you have? [14:52] cfhowlett, 1 GB [14:52] selamunaleykum everybody [14:53] my web videos play fast [14:53] subman, a HD youtube video stream? yeah, 1 gig is quite minimal ... [14:53] what can i do to solve this problem [14:54] have anybody a idea? [14:55] So xubuntu is not for netbooks anymore? It has grown to that extent of bla [14:55] bloat? [14:56] subman: well um using it on a netbook [14:56] subman, try playing a non-HD video. [14:57] subman: do you use a 32bit or 64bit distro? [15:00] I have it on a Atom 4 gig ssd HP-Mini; works better than XP, which isn't saying uch. [15:00] uch/much [15:01] nothing works better than xp [15:01] usb-stick installed [15:02] with XP on it there was no room left for word install. [15:03] 512 ram is the weak point of the device though [15:05] Lubuntu works better but didn't have as many bells and whistles [15:06] minimal xubuntu install without (as an option without network-manager) should do the trick [15:50] Hello [15:51] Is there any way i can find out the configuration of my mouse. I'm trying to find out how many buttons my PC thinks my mouse has [15:52] Im running Xubuntu 13.04 [15:53] hi [15:53] i installed xubuntu 12.04 LTS for AMD [15:53] pcuser: you can check it with xev [15:54] i can make a new disk with Gparted, but i dont have permissions to write to it [15:54] pcuser: run xev and click the buttons, it shows if your os understands it [15:54] it auto mounts as /media/sda3 but i cant even make a new folder [15:55] nintet: you can check the rights from terminal "ls -l /media" [15:55] torax: That's really cool... [15:56] nintet: and you can change it with chmown, for example chown username:usergroup /media/sda3 [15:56] torax: I have a logitech mouse with a load of extra buttons on it, i am having trouble assigning those buttons to do things, but more importantly, the middle click button (triggered by pressing down on the scroll wheel) has stopped working a few days after a fresh install of 13.04 [15:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5792893/ [15:57] yeah but now my SD card doesnt show up [15:57] something is wrong [15:58] I know Logitech have no official support for linux, so i'm not getting my hopes up on assigning those extra buttons, but the middle click button worked fine for a few days after installing, [15:58] i tried to get help in #ubuntu but all the tutorials they were showing me had all this extra stuff that i obviously didnt need [15:58] nintet: if you are only user on that computer you can safely do "sudo chown username:username /media/sda3" [15:58] pcuser: hard to say why middle button is not working anymore :/ [15:59] Well in Xev every single button, including the extra buttons showed a response, i assume this means my PC is getting some kind of input from those buttons? [15:59] But the middle click button shows no response at all, it's like i didnt even press the button [15:59] but the middle click button on the mouse works fine in windows 7, so i know the hardware can't be faulty [16:00] now how do i get my SD card to show up again? [16:00] it just dropped out [16:00] thanks torax, that works [16:01] nevermind [16:01] lsblk command shows all the mounted and unmounted devices, see if it shows up [16:01] ok thanks [16:34] I'm trying to find an X tool that can specifically save the window position of an application, and always make a specific window always put back in the same place.. Mostly for Skype's main window that ALWAYS jumps up 10px and left 10px from the bottom-right corner I always put it to. [16:34] Anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this? hehe [16:34] Excluding: Don't use Skype, because that's just not helpful. :p [16:38] Psi-Jack, using different window manager? choose one that can do it as you please or change code to act as you like, possibly user-friendly and not hard-coded? [16:38] I use devilspie and gdevilspie to do that [16:39] oh great [16:39] Devilspie! That's one I think I might've used for this before. I just couldn't remember. [16:43] I've been using it for ages - you can write the configs manually, but I use gdevilspie for a gui - though there is a bug - you might need to fiddle a bit [16:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdevilspie/+bug/1161594 [16:45] Launchpad bug 1161594 in gdevilspie (Ubuntu) "Gdevilspie fails to start with no attribute 'xdg_config_home'" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:45] there's also wmctrl but I don't know if there's gui config for it or what it really does [17:05] Hmmm [17:05] elfy: Yeah, just hit that bug right off. LOL [17:11] yep - thought so - gksudo mousepad /usr/bin/gdevilspie [17:12] go to view set it to show line numbers - go to line 374 put an # at the beginning - save the file and it should work ok [17:12] Psi-Jack: ^^ [17:12] yeah. I fixed it manually from the patch provided on that bug report, and it works. [17:12] good enough [17:13] elfy: I did better, I changed it to use xdg.BaseDirectory in the many places it needed. [17:13] I never mucked about with the patch - never managed to work out what to do with them :) [17:13] anyway - it's working :) [17:14] hehe [17:14] Well, the patch fixes functionality, while the comment line removes functionality. [17:15] probably - but I use it so rarely now it matters not - and the bug will likely stay like that till it's marked EOL [17:17] Hmmm [17:18] Wierd... I apply geometry rule to the Skype Window, and it's.. Off.. [17:19] It's like it's not even talking to X11 properly, hence why the window-manager can't even get it right. heh [17:26] Hmmm, I think I know what it kinda is.. gDevilsPie isn't taking into consideration the XFCE window dectorations. === contrapunctus-i is now known as contrapunctus [17:37] elfy: Thanks, BTW.. This was what I was looking for. I decided how I wanted to fix this issue, and just basically de-decorate pidgin and skype's windows, so it's a cleaner look too. And less wasted space. :) [17:38] welcome [17:39] Now all I have to do is figure out how to for my display-manager so that my right monitor is on the right, and left monitor is on the left. LOL [17:39] The login window appears on the right monitor, but to get the mouse there from the left monitor, I have to go left to get to the right monitor. :) [17:39] well I use arandr [17:39] XFCE 4.12 fixes this after I login. [17:40] login is left here - mouse is there [17:40] not using 4.12 till it shows up [17:41] Yeah, I installed the PPA. The only thing there in the xubuntu-dev PPA is xfce4-settings, which has the updated display settings applet. [17:42] k [17:43] elfy, btw, we should get that into S. [17:43] elfy, but i'm afraid it depends too much on 4.12. [17:44] yea [17:45] and no movement re 4.12 that I've seen [17:50] There we go. Simple, effective, fixed. :) [17:51] Now, all that's left for base tuning, is turning /off/ the bootsplash, because when using nVidia propriatery drivers, it fails to look good. [17:56] Now that's... Livable. :D [17:59] never see the bootsplash - waiting for kettle usually ... [17:59] Well, my bootup time is like 30 seconds from boot to fully logged in. :) [18:00] no idea - I'm usualy making tea ;) [18:00] haha [18:01] Holy moly.. Just logged into the company VPN for the first time since doing all this, and wow... like 40 routes just added once connected. heh [18:02] Cwazy. :) [18:03] But.. At least OpenConnect actually DOES work. [18:03] The last company I worked for, we either had to use the buggy and limited vpnc, or SonicWall's NetExtender bullcrap which both options totally sucked. === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [19:50] if i remove an app that came installed with xubuntu, say catfish file search or one of the games, will they be reinstalled after a dist-upgrade? [19:51] or will it keep them uninstalled unless i manually reinstall from apt [19:51] yes [19:51] they will be reinstalled [19:51] is there a way to say no, i do not want this package no matter what? [19:52] actually, I think it won't be reinstalled if you do dist-upgrade manually [19:52] it will if you use the gui upgrader [19:54] hm [19:54] i always thought the gui upgrader was just a gui for apt-get dist-upgrade [19:58] i can't decide if its worth it to trim my xubuntu install way down or if i should just grab a lighter distro [19:59] i wan't to try out a tiling wm too, not sure how id feel about running xubuntu with half the packages missing and a different wm [19:59] i just don't want set up all my stuff again [20:39] do you knpow of any photo organizer that shows pictures according to thier whole path and not just the filename? [20:39] im now testing darktable [20:42] nantou: I am using digikam. [20:42] bekks, repo>? [20:42] "sudo apt-get install didgikam" [20:43] "sudo apt-get install digikam" - thats correct now. [20:53] bekks, where in my menu is digikam installed? i dont see it under graphics [20:55] nantou: I dont know anything about your menus. Just run digikam :) [20:56] Alt F2 or Winkey R should find it if you don't [20:59] Sysi - Hi, welcome to Linux, and it's 'Super', not 'Winkey'. [21:00] ...trolololo. [21:01] it's also Super on windows but most people recognize it by the label on most keyboards [21:04] odd, ill have to searhc for the directory [21:18] Is there a xubuntu offically supported method for setting up network shares? PC to PC? Gigolo only seems to connect to but not setup shares. Is SAMBA my only option? [21:18] if you mean Microsoft Windows Network Shares, then yes [21:19] there are also other things, like nfs exports and sshfs and such [21:19] TheSheep: Linux to Linux. I have another xubuntu box and Ubuntu 12.04 box that I want to connect/share. [21:20] I'd use nfs linux to linux [21:20] torax: I wouldn't [21:20] TheSheep: Hmm. Never used ssh. [21:20] TheSheep: why? [21:21] ignore_me: it's the least troublesome one, i guess, because doesn't need any additional setup [21:21] torax: linux's implementation of nfs is still a little bit... lacking [21:21] Used nfs over a decade ago with my mandrake boxes, worked well then. Been using Ubuntu last few years. It's setup for sharing was fine, windows-like. [21:21] torax: if it was solaris, then sure [21:22] ignore_me: well, you can install and use whatever worked for ubuntu [21:22] ignore_me: but it it was widnows shares, then it was probably just some gui for easier configuration of samba [21:23] I like xubuntu; much lighter than it's parent. Sharing is the one issue I find it's missing as an expected feature. [21:24] ignore_me: well, just use gigolo with ssh, it should just work [21:24] I didn't really, "install" anything for Ubuntu. It was a fairly automatic setup, whatever it installed/configured when you right clikc to share for the first time. [21:25] OK - I'll do some research on using ssh. Don't know why nfs has sort of gone away. It was simple enough, linux to linux. [21:27] nfs gets wonky with poor connection or when the other computer crashes [21:27] at least on linux [21:48] TheSheep: Shouldn't be an issue on a home network. Is it still an option? [21:48] I personally have come to prefer sshfs for sharing... because it doesn't require anything on the remote box. [21:49] it is, however, a user-space driver [22:00] how do i do remounting sshfs when laptop wakes up from suspend [22:10] torax: If you used gigolo, wouldn't it just reconnect using your bookmark (already has your credentials)? [22:11] ignore_me: I dont use gigolo [22:11] just wondering, not really xubuntu related [22:17] torax: Ah. I'm trying to stay within the ecosystem just to see how much I can get done with the standard tools provided. Doing some quick reading on ssh client/server. Seems straightforward enough. Can't believe we're still discussing this 20 years post Win 3.11 (windows for workgroups). [22:21] :) [22:21] Just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04. kernel is still 2.6.32-46. Expected 3.x.x. Any ideas? [22:22] eylais: i would say, you didnt upgrade [22:22] What's lsb_release -a say? [22:22] Used the upgrade pick in updates [22:23] eylais: do you need assistance with Unit193 's suggestion? [22:23] Updates no longer show new kernal available [22:23] Did not see Unit193's suggestion [22:23] eylais: and what does "lsb_release -a" report when you run that command in the terminal and press the enter key? [22:23] Oops - sorry, I did [22:23] I think you used update-notifier to install the new kernel for 10.04. [22:24] Unit193 - I think you are correct [22:24] But it stated that the vresion is 12.04 [22:24] it? [22:24] update-notifier [22:24] eylais: the terminal caommand? [22:24] command* [22:25] lsb_release output: LSB Version: core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch [22:25] eylais: open the terminal, and enter lsb_release -a ..see what version you have now.. then, we can go from there if you have 10.04 and want 12.04 [22:25] Welp. [22:26] Sorry - left off the swithc: new output: LSB Version: core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch [22:26] Distributor ID: Ubuntu [22:26] Description: Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS [22:26] Release: 12.04 [22:26] Codename: precise [22:26] eylais: i would run this in a terminal.. "sudo apt-get update" ..see that it reports no errors.. then run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [22:27] Make sure linux-image-generic is installed, then. [22:27] i just do fresh installs.. i find it takes less time, and i know what i have [22:28] Fresh installs always fail on my computer for 12.04; 10.04 always installs OK (xubuntu and mint) [22:28] eylais: then, the upgrade will fail for the same reason [22:29] No reason given for failure - just a black screen [22:29] eylais: typically, before i do *anything*... upgrade, or fresh install, i get a live CD and see that i can get to the desktop [22:29] !nomodeset | eylais [22:29] eylais: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [22:29] Did that - the live CD works. [22:29] eylais: Did you run the two update commands, and check if the kernel metapackage is installed? [22:29] Doing the second now ... [22:30] if the live CD works, the you should get an install that works.. another scenario that might produce the behavior you are sharing is, bad hardware [22:30] kernel metapackage? How do I check [22:30] eylais: the package manager of your choice [22:31] synaptic ... [22:31] OR, just use the linux-image-generic name that Unit193 gave [22:31] dpkg -l | grep linux-image [22:32] dpkg -l | grep linux-image output: [22:32] ii linux-image-2.6.32-45-generic-pae 2.6.32-45.104 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.32 on x86 [22:32] ii linux-image-2.6.32-46-generic-pae 2.6.32-46.108 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.32 on x86 [22:33] eylais: any errors from "sudo apt-get update" ? [22:33] synaptic shows linux-generic-headers versions 3.2.0.48.58 [22:33] No erros [22:33] Yeah, you don't have the metapackage, thus you don't have the kernels. [22:34] Mark linux-generic for update? [22:35] That'd do. [22:36] Someone mentioned "nomodeset" (or something like that). What would that do & where to set it? [22:36] !nomodeset | eylais [22:36] eylais: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [22:36] Wait - I see a web link [22:36] i test it from live CD's.. but, if the live CD boots, then the install should boot [22:36] i usually dont do any upgrades to packages during install, so i get the exact system that booted live [22:37] then, if i do an upgrade, i have a better idea of what could have happened.. and i have the older kernel to test [22:37] Test nomodeset from a live cd? If I use the live cd thing are fine, if I install they fail [22:37] eylais: that is why i went on to type what i typed, which i can elaborate further about, if it doesnt communicate what im am trying to share with you [22:37] I "backed up" my old / using dd - I use the live cd to put it back after a failed install [22:38] if the live CD boots.. then, i know that kernel supports my hardware.. i dont need nomodeset [22:38] Again - for me - the live cd works, the install fails... [22:38] eylais: i understand that.. and im saying, you dont need [22:38] nomodeset [22:39] I then use the live CD to do dd if=savedroot of=/dev/sda2 [22:39] eylais: but, you still have an issue, that you are exlaining, that makes *no* sense.. [22:39] That is why I came to this forum: it makes no sense [22:39] eylais: if the live CD works.. the install should work.. and, if you are trying to "sneak" into 12.04 from 10.04, i would expect similar issues [22:39] so.. that gets me back to my point above.. [22:40] I tried to install 12.04 (xubuntu and mint) from downloaded ISO files burned to DVD. Failed [22:40] whats the difference in the live CD and the install? plenty, if you take upgrades during the install.. i *do* *not* do that... so i get the same kernel.. as i was saying above [22:41] I do not take any upgrades during install - just install the supplied system [22:41] eylais: did you do upgrades while installing? did you test the md5 sums? did you test your memory? hard drive? [22:41] Yes, yes, yes [22:42] eylais: then, we are missing something.. and it is important to you [22:42] FYI - I was a sys admin many years ago who built UNIX from the source and installed on universtiy systems.... [22:42] Not fully up to linux since I retired a few years ago... [22:42] i dont know what to say, other than, im booting and using 12.04 [22:43] im not saying you are doing something incorrectly.. just that something is missing there.. anyways.. are you rebooted into the proper kernel? [22:43] "Proper"? As I inidcated, I'm on 2.6 expecting 3.x [22:44] eylais: correct.. im asking if you have applied the "fix" that Unit193 has suggested, and installed the 3.x kernel and rebooted? [22:44] The "fix" being to mark/install th e3.x linux-generic? [22:45] as Unit193 states "that'd do" [22:45] I had linux-{image,kernel}-image drop out on my upgrade to Raring, installing both fixed it. (linux-generic is a metapackage for those two metapackages.) [22:45] Could not do that whil in chat as system will reboot. I'll do that and get back later eitehr way. Thanks for the help [22:46] Sure! [22:50] linux-generic update completed ... rebooting [22:55] Rebooted. Go figure: uname -a output is now Linux arthur 3.2.0-48-generic #74-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 19:45:16 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [22:55] Unit193 and holstein - thank you very much. This was not the "right way" to get there, but it got there [22:56] Heh, congrats. If you've upgraded and stuff isn't broken, I call it a win. [22:57] It is a win. Too bad there is no explanation of what is going on when upgrading or installing [22:57] My guess is some oddball harware config.... [23:28] torax: TheSheep Installed openssh on all the boxes. Awesomeness. No windows boxes to worry about. [23:30] ignore_me: sounds good :) and I found answer to my remount sshfs problem =) [23:30] torax: w [23:31] torax: What are you using? Two of my systems are laptops. [23:43] I found solution for arch systemd did the magic there [23:43] ...for arch, systemd...