[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <nigelb> Morning dholbach, had a good weekend?
[07:22] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:22] <dholbach> yeah, I did :)
[07:23] <dholbach> fête de la musique on friday, bought a bicycle and had a bbq with friends on saturday and took the bike for a ride outside Berlin to a lake to visit some friends yesterday - vegan pizza to finish off the day :)
[07:23] <dholbach> so I can't complain :)
[07:23] <dholbach> how about yourself?
[07:23] <nigelb> Nice.
[07:24] <nigelb> Heh, I went bowling, playing air hockey, and shooting zoombies with a friend.
[07:24] <nigelb> Oh, and vietnamese dinner.
[07:24] <dholbach> mmmmmhhhh! :)
[07:24] <nigelb> My arm still hurts from the bowling, and I'm craving the coconut sorbet I had. Otherwise, I can't complain too :)
[09:34]  * dholbach relocates
[09:34] <dholbach> brb
[11:37] <dholbach> brb
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Guys, our QA Classroom sessions starts 1 hour later. Make sure you join us through #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat!
[13:01] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy
[13:02] <Pici> 1 hour later than what?
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Pici, now:P
[13:04] <Pici> o
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Or actually, 57 minutes.
[13:30] <smartboyhw> I got it wrong guys, it's 60 minutes from now:)
[13:36] <balloons> smartboyhw, your not the only one to mess up the time :-)
[13:36] <smartboyhw> balloons, you too I know. Cheers:)
[13:36] <balloons> it's always fun during daylight savings time
[13:38] <smartboyhw> balloons, yeah!
[13:40] <jared> That's why I always use UTC for everything.
[13:40] <smartboyhw> jared, me too.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> HKT = UTC+8
[13:53] <jcastro> elfy: did IS get to those tickets?
[13:53] <jcastro> iirc there were 2 of them
[13:54] <elfy> no idea jcastro - not been really about much to check - just got in from work
[13:54] <jcastro> ok
[13:55] <jcastro> I'll ask him when he's in
[13:55] <jcastro> ~1 hour from now
[13:55] <elfy> tbh - we've got so many of them I've lost track of which I was looking at :)
[13:55] <elfy> I think s.fox was doing these 2
[13:55] <jcastro> I also don't remember the numbers, all I know is that there were 2
[13:56] <elfy> aah staging and thread prefixes perhaps were the ones
[13:56] <elfy> bah - nope
[13:56] <elfy> vbulletin account
[13:57] <elfy> jcastro: nothing done on that one https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=22280
[13:57] <elfy> and the staging down one https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=22165
[13:57] <jcastro> k
[13:58] <elfy> cheers
[13:58] <elfy> jcastro: as far as discourse and issues - codinghorror is aware we are sorting one out to post there
[13:59] <jcastro> k
[15:00] <jono> dpm, will be there in a min
[15:01] <jono> dpm, there now
[15:01] <dpm> jono, ok, wrapping up a call, coming
[15:01] <jono> dpm, np
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, dpm, balloons planning call now
[16:01] <dholbach> jono, waiting for you guys already :)
[16:01]  * balloons notes hippies are in!
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, we are already there
[16:01] <dholbach> jono, was it the call from the calendar?
[16:02] <jono> dholbach, balloons, spm https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1e03548ffb3848c6a90a8d854db3204735815858
[16:02] <jono> dpm ^
[16:02] <dpm> jono, coming
[16:40] <cjohnston> jono: scroll just below the list of people and their work items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-community.html
[16:40] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see youuuuuuuuuuu!
[16:40] <jono> cjohnston, yeah?
[16:41] <jono> cjohnston, why?
[16:41] <jono> :-)
[16:41] <jono> night dh
[16:41] <cjohnston> Links to your milestones
[16:41] <balloons> cjohnston, I saw that this morning :-)
[16:41] <balloons> <#
[16:41] <balloons> <3
[16:41] <cjohnston> The first one looks like icecream.. I'll settle for that
[16:43] <balloons> mm ice cream.. my wife is making some homemade ice cream :-)
[16:43] <cjohnston> :-(
[16:43] <cjohnston> mhall119 invites me over every time I drive past him. you didn't invite me over
[16:49] <balloons> the ice cream is literally churning now
[16:50] <balloons> it'll be ready tomorrow.. if your here, you can have some :-)
[16:50] <mhall119> tomorrow?  that's a slow icecream machine
[16:52] <balloons> mhall119, lol.. handchurned all the way
[16:54] <mhall119> tomorrow? that's a lot of churning
[16:55] <balloons> start to finish it's a multiday thing if you want to allow time for deepfreezing between steps -- including the last step before you eat it :-)
[16:56] <balloons> no shortcuts here, only the best for cjohnston
[16:58] <cjohnston> balloons: I'll be too busy up here with guns and stuff to drive down for ice cream :-)
[16:58] <balloons> cjohnston, you can swing by on the way back. Meet my in-laws, it'll already be a full house :-)
[16:59] <cjohnston> lol
[16:59] <cjohnston> Probably a little too far from 95
[16:59]  * balloons notes this is why cjohnston doesn't get invited
[16:59] <cjohnston> lol
[17:00] <balloons> ok enough teasing.. hope your enjoy yourself.
[17:00] <balloons> *hope you are enjoying yourself
[17:00] <cjohnston> I can't help the fact that I could throw a rock from the highway and hit mhall119's house
[17:00]  * balloons won't ask if cjohnston has done so
[17:00] <cjohnston> hehehe
[17:08] <mhall119> so that's who it was
[17:18] <IdleOne> jono or anybodywho can answer: Does Ubuntu/Canonical have a EUFI genius who would be willing to give a -classroom class, with some video perhaps and screenshots. We are seeing a lot of broken install in #ubuntu because of this ?
[17:19] <jono> IdleOne, EUFI?
[17:19] <IdleOne> EUFI/EFI that new buios thingy
[17:19] <IdleOne> bios*
[17:20] <IdleOne> sorry UEFI
[17:21] <IdleOne> this garbage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[17:24] <IdleOne> We do have https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI but still there seems to be a lot of confusion and failed installs, we are seeing a lot of people saying that they are unable to boot to windows after trying to and failing ubuntu installs
[17:30] <Tm_T> I had one indian guy asking help via video call the other day with that
[18:21] <balloons> IdleOne, hmm, the best person to have cover that is probably cjwatson and/or slangasek.. the core foundations guys
[18:22] <IdleOne> balloons: thank you.
[18:22] <balloons> that said I'm not sure it would help necessarily.. uefi and locked bootloaders in general increased the requirements on an enduser to be able to install there own os
[18:22] <balloons> which is sad, but ;-(
[18:23] <IdleOne> I don't have any setups with uefi, but from what I can tell it is a pain.
[19:11] <jono> jcastro, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNe45s7Xr2E
[19:11] <jono> jcastro, that first song is *awesome*
[19:27] <jcastro> I'm on noaudio mode right now
[19:28] <jcastro> I'll check it later, doing a screencast
[19:37] <jcastro> jono: heya this screencast is being annoying today, if we can go early today so I can concentrate on it post-call that would be <3
[19:38] <jono> jcastro, need to wrap a blog post and then I can go early
[19:39] <jcastro> no worries
[19:51] <jono> Ubuntu Weekly Update Videocast, Mir Interview, and More Interviews - http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/06/24/ubuntu-weekly-update-videocast-mir-interview-and-more-interviews/ - keeping the information flowin'!
[19:52] <jcastro> jono: you're two paragraphs over!
[19:53] <jono> jcastro, lol
[19:53] <jono> jcastro, ok, reboot and then I will be there
[20:31] <mhall119> jcastro: hey man, you should show off juju for this: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/intro-guide-to-android-client-server-communication/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+xda-developers%2FShsH+%28xda-developers%29&utm_content=FaceBook
[21:12] <bkerensa> Chromium in Ubuntu needs some security love
[21:15] <daker> bkerensa: what what ?
[21:16] <bkerensa> daker: Ubuntu is shipping Chromium 25. Upstream is at 28 and the amount of CVE's between 25 and 27 alone is pretty high while there are even more between 27 and 28
[21:17] <daker> bkerensa: yes i use the ppa i am running "27.0.1453.6 Ubuntu 12.10 (191032)"
[21:17] <bkerensa> yeah even there is a small gap with some CVE's
[21:17] <bkerensa> but the normal package in Ubuntu is a big block of swiss cheese
[21:19] <bkerensa> daker: in 28 a security bug was fixed that allows flash apps to to take control of your camera and mike
[21:20] <bkerensa> mic*
[21:20] <bkerensa> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=249335
[21:20] <bkerensa> :)
[21:20] <daker> whaoo
[21:20] <bkerensa> daker: you been dancing in front of your mic while playing flash games on russian sites lately? :)
[21:20] <bkerensa> cam/mic*
[21:21] <daker> bkerensa: my mic is always muted, my cam is hidden with a small sticker
[21:22] <bkerensa> :)
[21:22] <daker> bkerensa: i don't want to use the ppa anymore, we need to update the package
[21:23] <bkerensa> daker: the PPA is actually better than what is shipping without it :) but its still got a lot of security gaps
[21:23] <jcastro> qengho is working on updating the packaging
[21:24] <ajmitch> yes, I see he's got a daily build PPA
[21:26]  * popey notes chromium is in universe
[21:28] <jcastro> 330525
[21:31] <daker> popey: ya but which version ?
[21:31] <jcastro> 25
[21:31] <jcastro> it's inprogress to be updated in distro
[21:31] <jcastro> there was some issue with arm builders or something
[21:55] <daker> 25 is __very__old, we are in Rapid Release Development cycle :(
[21:58] <jcastro> yep
[22:11] <bkerensa> daker: do work :P you are a chromium user :)
[22:12] <daker> bkerensa: i was a firefox user since 2007, but with time FF start eating a lot of mem with its UI change back in 2009
[22:13] <daker> i lost bockmarks more than once
[22:13] <bkerensa> daker: do you enable telemetry and FHR? Also the nightly builds are insanely fast :)
[22:13] <bkerensa> telemetry and FHR helps Mozilla make performance improvements across all the things
[22:14] <daker> i lost bookmarks more than once
[22:14] <daker> and i am still waiting for per tab process for years now :(
[22:15] <bkerensa> daker: some awesome stuff is in the nightly and some amazing new features are coming :)
[22:15] <bkerensa> new sync is a example of one of the awesome things coming :)
[22:16] <daker> bkerensa: see http://i.imgur.com/anGzogN.png
[22:17] <daker> i am a webdeveloper so i need both of them
[22:18] <bkerensa> daker: I just use browser shots for cross-platform testing
[22:19] <bkerensa> but yeah
[22:46] <daker> bkerensa: other thing about FF, why do we need all menus :D ?
[22:46] <daker> those*
[22:47] <bkerensa> daker: have you tried the Australis? There are major UI changes coming
[22:49] <daker> i saw the mockups
[22:49] <bkerensa> daker: I encourage you to use the feedback feature to submit feedback... Its actually listened and also enable FHR and Telemetry
[22:50] <daker> bkerensa: and how to enable that ?
[22:50] <bkerensa> daker: about:telemetry
[22:50] <bkerensa> then click enable
[22:50] <bkerensa> and I'm not sure if FHR is in the stable repo
[22:50] <bkerensa> but you can add the nightly ppa and run that
[22:50] <bkerensa> its just as stable and has all the recent improvements to firefox
[22:51] <daker> do you have a link
[22:51] <daker> ?
[22:51] <bkerensa> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/924510
[22:52] <bkerensa> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-understand-your-browser-perf
[22:52] <bkerensa> http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2011/05/13/firefox-telemetry/
[22:52] <bkerensa> I would say 99% of Firefox Linux users do not have Telemetry enabled
[22:53] <bkerensa> without it enabled FF Team has no way of knowing of FF performs on Linux since no measurement occurs
[22:54] <daker> bkerensa: also the implementation of componement in GTK is ALWAYS bad http://i.imgur.com/Imqq8bF.png
[22:54] <daker> so i would say the wrench menu will look very bad :)
[22:55] <daker> compared to mac os & windows
[22:55] <bkerensa> daker: submit that feedback
[22:55] <daker> i don't know if a GTK limitation or ...
[22:56] <bkerensa> daker: Help -> Submit Feedback
[22:56] <bkerensa> tell them the UI could be improved and share the screenshot ;)
[22:56] <daker> ah got it
[22:59] <bkerensa> daker: one thing to note is that Ubuntu doesn't use the same libraries that Mozilla ships in its Linux builds
[22:59] <bkerensa> which is why some performance issues are hard to tack down
[23:08] <daker> bkerensa: can you try this link https://triggerrally.com/
[23:09] <bkerensa> daker: works for me
[23:09] <daker> FF 21 crashes :(
[23:10] <daker> 20 & 21
[23:11] <daker> https://plus.google.com/113862800338869870683/posts/gxpzq1kFFy8
[23:27] <daker> bkerensa: i just see the same UI :(