[07:13] aloha [07:14] Meauning all [07:15] moin moin [07:20] o/ [07:23] \o [07:29] hey dwatkins [07:57] hey esther [07:58] hi knightwise [07:59] hey esther , how are you this fine monday morning (Sighs and rubs sleep from eyes) [08:03] good morning everyone, [08:09] morning all [08:16] Morning all [08:17] morning diplo [08:19] hmm. the problem with chrome having separate processes is that they all stay under the radar in "top" [08:22] playing the benchmarks :) [08:23] used to regularly haev 50+ tabs open on a 2gb machine [08:23] now i run out of ram on a 4gb one :( [08:24] Good morning peeps :) [08:28] hihi [08:40] Good morning all, happy Midsummer Day! :) [08:42] morning JamesTait [08:43] Morning JamesTait, wasn't that at the weekend? [08:44] i thought that, but checked wikipedia before typing ㋛ [08:44] :P [08:44] Who needs facts when you have conviction? [08:47] MooDoo, bigcalm, o/ [08:48] bigcalm, popey, I knew I should have gone with happy Fairy Day! === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [08:52] Heh [08:55] Hmh, Midsummer day and it seems to be the coldest day of the month so far [08:55] Typicla british weather [08:55] Ah, I know the reason, Wimbledon starts today [08:55] heh [08:59] Wimbledon? Oh fudge [08:59] That means it's my birthday soon [08:59] nicely done [09:00] next you'll "accidentally" post your amazon wishlist ㋛ [09:00] What's worse is that it'll be my birthday 3 days before and I still haven't got her a gift [09:00] (feel free to do that) [09:00] popey: You mean this thing? :) http://cuth.eu/wishes [09:00] ooh, short url, nice idea! [09:00] :D [09:00] Heh, Samsung Player One interface almost looks how I'd expect a Unity interface on Ubuntu phones to look http://img1.digitalversus.com/produits/36/5291/36_5291_2.jpg [09:01] Almost appears to a Unity bar [09:01] Bah. Canonical design team never have original ideas! [09:01] boom, http://popey.com/wishlist [09:02] Oh now that is a good idea [09:02] DJones: (it doesn't look like that) ☻ [09:03] The Apple TV is cheaper than I had expected it to be [09:03] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Colossus-The-Forbin-Project-DVD/dp/B00149XOVS/ref=wl_it_dp_v_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=LXT6MFP2WUWA&coliid=I2GMXAMI1J9QZL love that film [09:03] more computers should have blippy bloppy sound effects [09:04] 5 pages of wishes?! I hate myself to just buying things when I should throw them on a wishlist [09:04] cant parse that [09:04] Your wish list goes on for 5 pages [09:04] I'm pretty sure my last HTC phone ended up with with an similar style interface [09:05] Mine, I think, is just 1 page at the moment [09:05] bigcalm: Whats the betting some people just use www.amazon.co.uk as their wishlist :) [09:07] I need to find more things to put on my wish list [09:08] i have just the thing [09:08] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Character-Building-Eleventh-Doctor-Collector/dp/B005A54XF8/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1372064923&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=doctor+who+character+building === luke is now known as Guest22038 [09:20] apologies for this question - I know its off topic - using skype on ubuntu and I wondered if anyone from the uk here uses a subscription - I wanted to know what is classed as a landline number - is it just the standard area codes and not 0845 numbers etc? [09:21] steveccc: I would expect it will just be normal numbers and would exclude 0845 number etc [09:21] steveccc: i have one [09:21] popey: may i pm you [09:21] you can talk here ☻ [09:22] not used it recently.. hmm [09:22] * popey looks for the skype icon [09:22] bah, skype credit expired [09:23] "Premium rate numbers: The charges payable for calling premium rate numbers consist of a per-minute rate available at www.skype.com/go/rates-premium. No connection fee is payable." [09:23] steveccc: generally landline referrs to numbers which are 01xxxxxx [09:23] I think "landline" numbers are not numbers called non-geographic, e.g. 0844, 0845 etc. [09:23] It doesn't define what a landline is on that page, as far as I can see, however: http://www.skype.com/en/legal/tou/ [09:24] i have to start home working soon and didnt want to get another landline or use my mobile. The subscription sounds good but if its just pure landlines I am sure it will annoy me more than it works as lots of places these days have "alternative numbers" [09:24] We use an 0844 number. It's cheap for us but all callers pay national rate call charges. [09:24] there's always http://www.saynoto0870.com/ [09:25] i presume if i buy a landline number without the monthly subscriptions that incoming will be working ok [09:25] TheOpenSourcerer: Do you still run a Asterix box ? [09:25] diplo: Yes - we run it on a VM at Hetzner in Germany [09:26] oh right, about to play with it myself was wondering if you could recommend a card but I'm guessing you rent sip lines or something [09:27] Yes - we rent IAX2 trunks. [09:27] No physical cards here ;-) [09:28] I just want a play, will do some googling later and read some reviews [09:28] hello [09:28] are there any good alternatives to skype for linux for normal voice calls [09:29] steveccc: does it need to be on the desktop [09:29] Years ago I bought a simple analogue card off eBay and ran it in my little via C7 home server. [09:29] personally skype does the job perfectly well and I'll never not have it [09:29] if you want on your phone, use viber [09:29] how good is gnome theme [09:29] OK, cheap / simple sounds good to me [09:30] steveccc: Google Hangouts, SFLPhone (SIP Softfone) [09:30] ..................................... [09:30] theopensourcerer: does google hangouts to landline calls? [09:30] steveccc: Dunno actually. Doubt it cause that means there needs to be money involved. [09:35] hi ya, does anyone have any ideas on what I can get my foster-son for his 16th Birthday (which is in less than a month) - money is really tight :'( [09:36] what does he like doing? [09:37] well, thats the fun bit, he's a bit depressed and stuff (hense him being my fosterkid) and doesn't do much/he's a bit withdrawn [09:37] sounds like my wife's foster bro [09:37] he is getting better, at least he talks and leaves his room now! [09:38] being a teenager sucks [09:38] except for summer holidays [09:38] but trying to get interests/wants out of him is entertaining [09:38] raspberry pi? [09:39] maybe source a screen/keyboard/mouse from friends for free [09:40] he's recently accidently broken the screen on a old handmedown laptop, but I cannot afford a new one for him [09:40] which model? [09:42] I think it is a HP 6730p [09:42] I'd have to check though [09:44] * christel hugs Gary [09:44] :-) [10:02] Is it just me, or does chromium not like Sound Cloud? [10:03] christel: something for your aural senses https://soundcloud.com/weebl/pills [10:07] bigcalm: yeah, i had that, some problem with the plugins or something [10:08] popey: not really worth my time to mess about with it. Firefox is playing it okay :) [10:10] Is it worth ditching chromium and installing chrome? [10:11] * popey shrugs [10:11] i use chromium [10:11] Oh, I thought you had chrome [10:13] Morning all [10:15] Morning davmor2 [10:16] davmor2: are you still using stock vendor on your SGS3? If so, have you yet had the system freeze on you? [10:17] bigcalm: it's mostly switched off now as I am using ubuntu phone on my galaxy nexus. I've had it reboot a few times but not freeze, I'd ring your provider to be honest [10:17] \o/ [10:18] Ho hum [10:19] * popey flashes his phone [10:20] popey: Ubuntu touch is beginning to rock more each day :) I showed a business owner it over the weekend he was gob smacked how much had been done in such a short time :) [10:21] any recent vids of it? [10:22] I'm tempted to stick Ubuntu on my now-superceded Galaxy S 2 [10:22] popey: he loved a couple of things about it, the keyboard wasn't tiny, and the full screen layout, I showed him the design for the calendar (I know he uses his a hell of a lot) and he loved it :) [10:22] then I'd essentially have a tablet that's smaller than my phone [10:22] anyone know if the build tools all Just Work in Debian? [10:25] BigRedS: I've no idea but popey might be able to answer that better [10:27] I'd assumed it was just dump a zip on the sd card and tell clockworkmod to install it, but all the instructions look a lot more involved :/ [10:27] davmor2: yeah, I could RTFM though :) [10:28] would ubuntu phone work on my hp touchpad yet? [10:28] I recall xnox mentioning that all the ubuntu tools were just wrappers around adb and friends, so I guess at worst I need to work out what they're calling [10:29] mungbean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [10:29] BigRedS: you can do it that way too, the phablet flash tools actually just makes life easier :) [10:29] easier than copying a zip file? [10:29] BigRedS: oh I just thought you can't use phablet flash so you would need to follow the steps on xda/ubuntu wiki probably [10:30] davmor2: yeah, I gues half the instructions are to get cm and stuff installed, assuming a locked device with stock bootloader etc. [10:30] BigRedS: phablet-flash in a terminal is really easy for me :) [10:30] BigRedS: well, yeah.... one can use just plain adb to install ubuntu touch without and phablet-flash and etc: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation [10:30] BigRedS: yes, it's just dump a zip file on [10:31] Oh. cool [10:31] mungbean: if someone has ported it [10:31] see, this is why I never get as far as bothering to rtfm - I wonder out loud in IRC and several people give me the answers :) [10:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [10:31] hah [10:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/tenderloin [10:32] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2175277 [10:33] wondering if it will trash my CM install [10:33] probably [10:33] i hate forums [10:33] skiiming the pages [10:33] they are waiting for 13.04, works for 12.10 [10:34] which reminds me, I'm almost completely sold on stock androids now. Few days into stock firmware on my GS3 and I'm absolutely loving how much more stable and less clunky it is [10:36] p12 has a git link [10:37] xda people can't help but give terse instructions [10:37] as if they have a bus to catch [10:37] I've always found those helpful. They say exactly what you need to do and nothing more [10:39] no because on p4 there's some cirtical info that doesn't ever make it to the first post [10:39] indeed, forums suck. all of them. with no exceptions [10:39] s/forums/tech forums/ [10:40] nah, all [10:40] modelling forums do the job [10:40] i have a prolem with my volvo [10:40] same thing, solution is on page 11 of 12 [10:40] yep [10:40] they're good for being a forum, less so for being a technical reference [10:40] popey: my phone froze when I tried to view the image about fiddling with your phone [10:41] hah, irony [10:41] Love it [10:41] modelling forums it works because there's no problems just chit chat and work in progress, and final build shots etc [10:41] no critical answers, [10:41] I use two forums regularly. One of them I find asolutely fine annd the other's only an issue because its 'style' makes my eyes bleed. But I use them entirely socially so I don't care where the 'solution' is, it's just a conversation [10:42] obv except for the "whats the best airbrush, ZZZ posts" === fwereade__ is now known as fwereade [12:59] anyone else with firefox audio stuttering, requiring pulseaudio kill each time? [13:00] watching gangnam style ghostbusters mashuop..seems to work [13:03] never use firefox [13:03] chrome does it 2x speed instead [13:04] until PA restarted [13:23] My problem with pulse is if I skip around in a video file it gets into a corrupt state and plays nothing but broken frames [13:33] http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/chromebooks/samsung-series-3-wifi-chromebook-silver-19273050-pdt.html [13:34] chromebook dropped in price [13:34] (arm) [13:34] is that the discountinued one? [13:39] dunno [13:40] I could get one of them for the fosterkid! [13:40] as long as he can see farcebook and boobtube he;ll be happy [13:42] there's lots of things my 16yr old self would love doing, but i'm not/was not every 16yr old [13:45] how much work can you do offline on a chrome book? e.g. documents [13:48] not sure really [13:48] I'd really want to nip into pcworld and try one [13:51] Gary: I do that all the time at our local pc world, still can't afford one though [13:52] well I can't either, but it is his 16th soon and I might be able to extort money out of his mother and father [13:53] if i had summer hlidays at my disposal, i'd be making this: http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21527&hilit=a50009 [13:54] kids are all xbox nowadays :( [13:58] airfix stuff is great [13:58] yeah [13:58] a noble hobby [13:58] Daniel used to do warhammer stuff, till it got too uncool [13:59] I love warhammer 40k :) [13:59] i think others progress onto gangpla jap robots [13:59] or WWII airfix etc [13:59] cool is only what's defined by critical mass of people anyway, but means everything to teenagers [14:00] MooDoo: what's 40k? [14:01] ah, tabletop game [14:01] LOTR warhammer must be considered cool by everyone :D [14:03] mungbean: warhammer 40k is space marines set in the far future [14:04] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000 [14:04] dressing up as legolas to play lotr version seems compulsory... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Mr_Rose/WotR/m2060051_P1Mb3.jpg [14:08] Python people in here ? New to it, but basically wrote a simple script with urllib.urlretrieve to grab 1600+ images from a supplier but it's slooow [14:08] Guessing it's because it's opening a new connection to each image each time.. any way of keeping a session open some how ? [14:10] the option you want is called 'keepalive', but I've no idea if urllib supports it [14:11] ta, I'll read their docs [14:22] diplo, you'e not the messaih you're a very naughty boy, wrong python? [14:24] Same python, isn't it? [14:24] well, the one named after the other [14:28] Indeed [14:29] :) [14:32] * czajkowski pokes davmor2 [14:34] * MooDoo gives czajkowski a cattle prod...and welcome back [14:35] bah, finished now anyway.. urllib3 seems the way to go but I'm not I can be bothered to re-write it [14:36] that was the helpful thing to search for mgdm so thanks for the input [14:52] are NS&I accounts still worth getting for kids? [15:12] mungbean: if you're willing to put in a good chunk of money [15:13] I've got some money locked away in an account. It's "won" £25 in the last 6 years [15:13] discovered the halifax one is 3% for kids [15:14] banks are the worst kind of ripoff now [15:14] * davmor2 prods czajkowski with a small lump of charcoal :) [15:14] in the olden days at least interest rates on old accounts wouldnt go to 0.1% [15:16] i think halifax does a no-withdrawal one that is modelled loosely on the old child trust fund setup which has a slightly better interest rate [15:16] 6% fixed iirc [15:16] hmm [15:17] (unless that has changed since i last looked) [15:18] ah yes christel [15:18] its a regular investment capped at 100pm for 1 yr [15:18] so have to move after 1 yr [15:19] or you get screwed as usual [15:19] i was thinking more along lines of 3k in a kiddies account and leave to simmer for 20 years [15:19] * czajkowski tickles davmor2 missing me yet [15:19] czajkowski: who are you? [15:21] mungbean: aah! that is a bit rubbish [15:22] i have various savings accounts for the boy wonder but i am not very clued up about what they do/are -- i have a financial advisor who just tells me how to save in the most tax-efficient manner! [15:22] Save? Wats that word mean?!?!? [15:22] :P [15:23] christel: Save you mean you have money left once you pay your amazon bill ;) [15:23] its all very stressful [15:23] davmor2: i dont use amazon! :P [15:24] but yes, i am fortunate enough in my old age to have reached a point where my income far outweighs my outgoings so i figured it was wise to plan ahead for stuff like sending kids to uni and what not! ;) [15:25] however at todays rates, 3k in saving at birth will equal 3056.64 at uni time :( [15:27] mungbean: well that's their beer fund for the first term whats wrong with that ;) [15:29] davmor2: you're optimistic! in 20 years time 3K will only buy you a half... [15:30] it still doesn't make me give up and spend it though [15:30] which is the govts wish === steveccc_ is now known as steveccc [15:32] :) [15:38] mungbean: at 3% in an isa you would be closer to £5000 I think [15:39] but with inflation.. [15:44] mungbean: what will you care you'll be soylent green by then any way ;) [15:49] in 20 yrs ? :( [15:49] 3% in an ISA [15:49] ho ho ho ho [15:50] I could only get 2.8 including a 1 year bonus this financial year :( [15:50] i got 4.5 last year, i wonder if i can trasnfer in [15:51] mungbean: and if you're lucky that will be worth a barmy 3 intergalactic units or £1.50 [15:51] managed to get a whopping 3% in december [15:51] (including bonus too) [15:51] that closed to new deposits when this financial year started [15:51] my inflation is much higher [15:52] can i transfer an ISA twice in a year? [15:52] Interest rate: 4.25% Gross [15:53] could be an epic win as i've been putting into one since they began [15:53] yeah now you have to ditch & switch every year [15:53] irritating [15:54] just a tad [16:01] hi, just installed 13.04 on a netbook for a friend but it's pretty much unusable due to the graphics, is there anyway to fix that or is Ubuntu no use for netbooks anymore? [16:12] feisar: i wouldnt use unity on a netbook, try something abit lighter on its reources, like xfce, for example. [16:14] brobostigon: yeah thanks, that's actually what I do for myself but this guy likes ubuntu (and unity) and it's a shame if I have to put him back on 12.04 [16:14] feisar: you dont need to go back, just install xfce on 13.04 [16:15] brobostigon: but xfce is not what this guys used to, it's quite different from Unity [16:16] feisar: i am sure, there are probably ways of making unity abit lighter on resources, i dont use unity myself, but many here do, i am sure someone can help. [16:16] it takes 15 seconds to bring up the dash [16:22] is unity used on the netbook version of ubuntu? [16:25] my netbook ran everything better after being upgraded to 2 GB of RAM [16:30] more RAM is always useful; [16:30] I don't think it's the problem here (or enough of the problem). I'm gunna have to give this guy 12.04 [16:32] he uses dropbox which doesn't integrate with Thunar so xfce is not a real option [16:33] try gnome3, dropbox works with nautilus last i looked. [16:35] can I just apt-get install gnome3? [16:36] !info gnome-shell [16:36] !gnome-shell [16:36] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.6.3.1-0ubuntu0.1 (quantal), package size 345 kB, installed size 934 kB [16:38] ok, I gave him a call and he's willing to try xubuntu [16:39] but I'm guessing I need to install nautilus so he gets a decent experience with dropbox [16:40] sudo apy-get install xubuntu nautilus m job done. [16:40] correct my mistakes. [16:42] thanks, will it be the default then? [16:43] it might replace the login manager, but you will be able to choose unity etc on login like normal. [16:44] I mean , if I install xubuntu how do I then make nautilus default? [16:45] feisar: you should be able to change in xfce's preferences which it uses as default. [16:45] ok thanks [16:46] as you can in gnome's preferences. [16:46] although, i have not tried it in xfce. === feisar is now known as Guest78553 [17:39] http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02903601 hmm, this looks a tad worrying [17:39] especially since I just turned it on xD [18:13] Hey folks, fresh Ubuntu 13.04 installation on my new microserver, ethernet ain't working. :( lshw -c network says that the interface is "disabled", and it doesn't show up in ifconfig, ideas? [18:15] Any bios switch for it [18:16] DJones: wouldn't think it would be turned off by default, this is brand new ootb hardware [18:21] http://ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur there we go, you can see whats going on now. [18:21] NO U STREAM TV [18:21] D: [18:22] Azelphur: or, when it goes down: Y U NO STREAM TV [18:22] Azelphur: No such device -> no cable? [18:23] MartijnVdS, nope, cables in and ethernet light is on [18:23] Azelphur: ip link ; ip -s link [18:23] MartijnVdS, seems to call it em1, interesting [18:23] Azelphur: oh is it bsd? [18:24] nope, this is ubuntu server 13.04 [18:25] because fedora 15 seems to do this as well [18:25] for "embedded on the motherboard" ports [18:25] or something [18:25] I see [18:25] you want to look for 'consistent device naming' [18:25] I don't have anything in /etc/network/interfaces for em1 [18:25] i.e. a udev rule of some kind :) [18:25] so perhaps that's why [18:25] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2146205 [18:26] Azelphur: that's good, that means network-manager manages it.. unless it's a server install that tends to be what you want [18:27] it's a server install [18:27] Azelphur: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [18:27] righto [18:28] MartijnVdS, haha fixed it, yup, em1 stuff in /etc/networking. [18:28] Azelphur: but check the persistent-net.rules [18:28] it's empty. [18:29] that would explain it then :) [18:29] hehe [18:29] I think it's because I didn't auto configure networking during install actually, all I had to do was put the entry in the network file [18:29] and off it went [18:30] MartijnVdS, take a look at the hardware, not bad for 70 quid :) [18:31] Azelphur: how? where? [18:31] you not on the ustream [18:31] ? [18:31] yes but I saw a screen :) [18:31] is that one of the HP boxes? [18:31] microservers [18:31] yup [18:31] shiny [18:31] :D [18:31] not bad for 70 quid [18:32] not at all [18:32] what kind of spec (cpu, etc.) [18:32] Are those 4 SATA hotswap bays? [18:32] 4 sata bays, non hot swap [18:32] i thought sata was always hotswap [18:32] AMD Turion II Neo N54L Dual core 2.2ghz [18:33] it's got a big-ass label on it saying no hotswap [18:33] meh.. I even have a hotswap bay in my Cooler Master case [18:33] works fine [18:34] Is that you in the frame? [18:34] yea they are all labeled "non hot plug HDD" [18:34] MartijnVdS, yup [18:35] so yea that's done anyway, now to play with it and set up samba and such [18:51] I asked this last night but didn't follow up. So: what is the difference between minecraft.net & minecraft.org [is one a false link]? [18:51] [thinking of trying Minecraft but don't fancy going where only evil people tread] [18:51] minecraft.net is the real one [18:51] .org seems to be a site for addon packs [18:52] thanks ali1234, MartijnVdS [18:53] is it worth trying the free [from Software Centre] Minetest clone... to see if it's to my taste? [18:55] ...or stick to the real game & hope [18:59] no harm trying minetest [19:00] if it's close enough to see if it's "within my test" - that's cool... will give it a go 1st [19:00] sub test/taste - sorry [19:02] Evening. [19:02] * brobostigon used to run his own minetest server, [19:03] So, after extensive testing, I phoned WD about my faulty HDD and it's going to be replaced under warenty. [19:04] Can anyone recommend any good software for (relatively) securely erasing the data before I ship it? [19:04] dd [19:05] is dd secure? [19:05] dd just overwrites [19:05] which is secure [19:06] why wouldn't it be? [19:06] Hmm, I was under the impression it was better to overwite your data with some random non repeating patterns. [19:07] /dev/null :) [19:07] advancedgarde: you could send the drive a "secure erase" command [19:07] https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase [19:07] I thought that was just SSDs [19:08] advancedgarde: secure erase is for all ATA drives that support it [19:08] you may be thinking of TRIM [19:08] That is cool, I did not know it applied to conventional HDDs [19:08] advancedgarde: anyway, that wiki page explains how to secure-erase a (S)ATA Drive [19:08] Thank you. [19:09] AFAIK `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disktowipe` is secure enough also [19:10] awilkins: unless the receiver has access to some VERY expensive equipment, and knows what kind of thing he's looking for [19:10] All the stuff about there being traces of previous writes was true of older disks with much larger magnetic domains [19:10] But I bet you that even modern data recovery labs are hard-pressed to get data back from a zero-wiped platter [19:10] true [19:11] 1TB platters are *insane* [19:11] awilkins: but a proper ATA secure erase can't hurt :) [19:11] awilkins, I agree with you completly and also doubt that I have anything of interest to anyone at WD on my drive. Also it's a 2TB drive so ... [19:11] awilkins: by the firmware itself [19:11] Nope,. can't hurt [19:12] And will be fastest possible speed [19:12] Sounds perfect. [19:12] The fastest way to secure wipe a drive is to use full disk encryption and then wipe the keyblock [19:13] Providing your encryption scheme was secure in the first place, you end up with a drive that should be indistinguishable from random noise [19:14] Our "secure" flash drive vendor plays on our fears and says we should physically destroy them when we're done with them [19:14] Rather than just reformatting the things [19:14] (they are cheap nasty flash drives with a plaintext partition for the drivers) [19:15] (they charge £64 for a 2GB one - I literally can't even buy 2GB flash drives anymore) [19:15]