[00:00] <gavin__> daftykins: I just installed it, what do I do next?
[00:00] <daftykins> gavin__: run it from applications -> system tools
[00:00] <b3rz3rk3r> hey guys, my swap won't mount on boot. I can mount it fine manually and the UUID is correct, it just won't do it automatically. Any ideas?
[00:01] <AllanLinux> u need edit /etc/fstab
[00:03] <b3rz3rk3r> AllanLinux, I have
[00:03] <gavin__> daftykins: currently installing but it is taking a while
[00:03] <b3rz3rk3r> AllanLinux, http://i.imgur.com/eeVhn8S.jpg this is it
[00:03] <madel> I'm a not-so-skilled command line user. Maybe somebody can point out my error to me:
[00:03] <madel> find -iname "*.jpg" -execdir jpegtran -optimize -progressive -perfect -copy none -verbose '{}' > 1/{} \;
[00:03] <madel> writes output to a file named "{}". Maybe it's obvious that this isn't according to my intention... :-/
[00:03] <dr_willis> pastebin for text  files  is easier gor us.
[00:03] <gavin__> daftykins: if installation fails then i will giveup and use lan instead
[00:03] <daftykins> bit late
[00:04] <daftykins> gavin__: you've got LAN connected right now... yes?
[00:04] <Ben64> madel: maybe try #bash
[00:04] <gavin__> daftykins: yes
[00:04] <madel> Ben64: true, thanks. :-)
[00:04] <AllanLinux> Your swap is another hd or file created on another partition?
[00:05] <dr_willis> b3rz3rk3r:  encrypted swap?
[00:05] <gavin__> daftykins: are you able to remote control to another user?
[00:05] <b3rz3rk3r> dr_willis, no I think I chose encrypted /home during install but it doesn't seem to work :/
[00:06] <daftykins> gavin__: probably not tonight, i think i'm falling asleep. is that installer doing anything? has it opened a terminal window with things happening?
[00:06] <b3rz3rk3r> dr_willis, I've commented that out and can still log in fine
[00:06] <gavin__> daftykin: its asking me to restart
[00:06] <gavin__> I'll be back in few minutes tops
[00:06] <dr_willis> b3rz3rk3r:  your fstab is useng encrypted stuff
[00:07] <daftykins> gavin__: ok
[00:08] <dr_willis> trun off swap. alter fstab. see if   sudo mount -a     works
[00:08] <b3rz3rk3r> dr_willis, http://i.imgur.com/l2rpJqv.jpg I've commented that out
[00:09] <dr_willis> dude  learn to use a text pastebin.. not image  pastes
[00:09] <griwesx> b3rz3rk3r: are drobo any good? i heard they were slow
[00:09] <gavin__> hi daftykins: im back again, erm.. it didn't work
[00:10] <daftykins> gavin__: do you get anything in a terminal when you type "lsmod | grep ath9k" ?
[00:10] <b3rz3rk3r> griwesx, slow and don't play well at all with linux. at least old gen don't. I've had to d/c mine and put it on another machine
[00:11] <griwesx> b3rz3rk3r: ironic, since they run linux themselves
[00:12] <gavin__> daftykins: this is what i got: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794064/
[00:12] <dr_willis> b3rz3rk3r: so now you have no swap definitions in fstab
[00:12] <daftykins> b3rz3rk3r: the only two swap devices in your config are commented out ;x
[00:12] <delac> does anyone know how to use ~/.gvfs/ location with gnome-search-tool?
[00:13] <daftykins> gavin__: can you unplug and replug the adapter?
[00:13] <gavin__> daftykins: that is what i just did
[00:13] <daftykins> gavin__: also how are you checking if it's working or not? just clicking on the network icon and seeing if a wireless network is listed?
[00:13] <deezed> hey guys! hows going? I have a problem here with my Ubuntu 12.04 (kde4) that I cant connect to my university wireless. The point is the wireless is encrypted with WPA2 enterprise, and when I try to connect it actually seems to work, it says its connected, but I cant access the web. When I try to open some page with chromium it says my DNS isnt properly configured. Does anyone know what can I do?
[00:13] <b3rz3rk3r> daftykins, yeah I was testing to see if it made a difference to mounting command. I'm getting errors about bad lines when I try mount -a
[00:14] <gavin__> daftykins: my wifi adapter normally lights up so I will know if it is actually working but unfortunately, my adapter doesn't light up at all
[00:14] <procrastubator> How do I change what version of gem the `gem` command launches?
[00:14] <procrastubator> There are: Command 'gem' from package 'ruby1.9.1' (main)  Command 'gem' from package 'rubygems' (main)
[00:14] <daftykins> gavin__: can you pastebin 'ifconfig -a' and 'iwconfig' ?
[00:14] <procrastubator>  And the default is linked to ruby1.8
[00:14] <gavin__> ok
[00:14] <procrastubator>  I am trying to get gems on my ruby1.9 version
[00:15] <dr_willis> !alternatives
[00:15] <gavin__> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794069/
[00:16] <dr_willis> may be a gem ruby alternatives entry
[00:16] <daftykins> gavin__: ok - if you right click the network icon is there an 'enable wireless' option that you can tick?
[00:16] <dr_willis> !info glaternatives
[00:16]  * bsk is listening to Avenged Sevenfold - Blinded in Chains [6:34]
[00:17] <gavin__> daftykins: enable wireless has already been ticked
[00:17] <daftykins> dr_willis: i think i got gavin__ sorted with a driver and the interface has come up for his wireless adapter, do you know if something might be needed doing beyond enabling wifi on the network icon as i suggested above to get network manager to wake up and manage that interface?
[00:17] <somsip> bsk: please turn the music announcer off
[00:17] <daftykins> gavin__: hmm, couldn't hurt to turn it off and then on again - it looks like the interface is up fine
[00:17] <gavin__> thats what i also did
[00:18] <daftykins> ah :(
[00:18] <orangerobot> hello, i've just upgraded to 12.10 (from 12.04) and my network driver has stopped functioning. i was using driver (brcmsmac) for broadcom cards. could anybody point me as to how I could regain access to the internet?
[00:18] <bsk> somsip: just testing /ame, sorry :)
[00:18] <gavin__> daftykins: but still the adapter doesn't light up :(
[00:19] <daftykins> gavin__: lights tend to be a little further on in the process, in Linux they tend to only indicate activity rather than power sometimes
[00:19] <Ben64> orangerobot: why would you upgrade from 12.04? its supported till 2017. now you'll need to upgrade to 13.10 by January
[00:19] <daftykins> gavin__: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces finally? think i'm going to have to give up after one last idea
[00:19] <wilee-nilee> orangerobot, Updates require reloads of the driver often
[00:20] <gavin__> daftykin: what command do I type in for /etc/network/interfaces
[00:20] <wilee-nilee> er upgrades*
[00:20] <orangerobot> Ben64: yes, i did it because i wanted a game to work and I was under the impression that newer graphics cards only worked with newer ubuntu versions.
[00:20] <daftykins> gavin__: well you could do "cat /etc/network/interfaces | pastebinit" perhaps, or just open it with gedit and paste the content into a pastebin
[00:20] <orangerobot> wilee-nilee: what do you mean by reload?
[00:20] <procrastubator> dr_willis: It says "There is only one alternative in link group gem: /usr/bin/gem1.9.1", however when I run the command which gem to tell me what gem is using, it uses /usr/bin/gem which links to 1.8
[00:20] <wilee-nilee> orangerobot, reinstall
[00:20] <procrastubator> This is weird
[00:21] <anom> Has anyone succesfully installed php5.5 on ubuntu yet?
[00:21] <orangerobot> wilee-nilee: hmm.. do you mean just modprobe <nameofdriver> ?
[00:22] <james-ubc> is there any way to have the speakers not turn off when headphones are plugged in?
[00:22] <gavin__> daftykins: unfortunately I can't seem to install pastebinit
[00:23] <daftykins> gavin__: just open the file with gedit then
[00:23] <gavin__> ok
[00:23] <wilee-nilee> orangerobot, NO idea I have not needed to load any extra drivers in a long time. It is that a upgrade of the OS at times needs to have drivers reinstalled grapahic (nvidia) usually. Just a possibility is all, not a definitive.
[00:23] <daftykins> gavin__: or in a terminal "nano /etc/network/interfaces" and copy and paste
[00:23] <Liverpudlian_Hac> Anyones proficient in ruby programming language?
[00:23] <dr_willis> james-ubc:  most of the time people have it work that way and ask how to disable it. :-P
[00:24] <orangerobot> ok thank you wilee-nilee
[00:24] <fungus494> hey whats up guys
[00:24] <gavin__> daftykins: I might be misunderstand you but what am I pasting?
[00:24] <daftykins> gavin__: the content of the configuration file /etc/network/interfaces
[00:25] <somsip> anom: you can only get it via PPA. See !PPA
[00:26] <tannji> I just built my AMD driver and it popped up a Catalyst window offering to Install driver, or Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package..  I assume this is normal when installing manually?  Also, Catalyst window is labeled Driver 13.101 Setup, and I am trying to install 13.6 beta...
[00:26] <somsip> Liverpudlian_Hac: probably the #ruby channel would be better for you (if it exists, if not try !alis)
[00:26] <fungus494> anyone familiar with graphics?
[00:26] <gavin__> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794081/
[00:26] <gavin__> is that it? or something different
[00:26] <daftykins> gavin__: you'd need to type 'cat' before it so it'll show the contents
[00:27] <tannji> fungus494:  graphic programs, or graphic driver setup?
[00:27] <Liverpudlian_Hac> somsip: thanks, I'l give it a go
[00:27] <michael_p> thanks for you help what ever you helped with
[00:28] <gavin__> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794086/
[00:28] <fungus494> im running lubuntu 13.04 on an old toshiba sattelite s155 1 gig ram 40 gig hdd intell 855gm graphics card...
[00:28] <Thete> lol, "don't run nightly, it's buggy as F, etc"
[00:28] <daftykins> gavin__: ok i'm out of ideas :( at this point i'd really expect left clicking/right clicking the network icon to show any available wireless networks if there are any to be found
[00:29] <fungus494> upon boot the lubuntu boot screen looks great... but than it seems to reset resolution and the gradiances look blocky
[00:29] <dr_willis> dmesg may show some info or ertors also gavin__
[00:29] <dr_willis> errors
[00:29] <james-ubc> dr_willis, yeah except this time I need to both hear what's going on and forrward it to another device :/
[00:29] <fungus494> the wallpaper gradiances look like a rainbow (not colors just ribboned)
[00:30] <james-ubc> tried looking for how they disabled it and doing the oppositbe but I dont see anthhing yet
[00:30] <Ubuntero735> hi
[00:30] <tannji> fungus494,  have you played with settings-Displays to check resolution, color depth, etc...?
[00:32] <Ubuntero735> Im having an issue with my new 13.04 installation but cant find anything on the web to fix it
[00:32] <somsip> !details | Ubuntero735
[00:32] <fungus494> hmmm i played with settings but didnt see color depth let me look at what i can toy around with... i did save some settings so that the desktop actually reaches the end of the screen
[00:32] <fungus494> let me look
[00:34] <Ubuntero735> ok. I installed a new hard drive and used it just for Ubuntu 13.04 but after the installation it stays on a black screen with a white blinking underscore. The installation gave no errors and right now im on the Live USB session. I have an HP Pavilion dm4 core i3
[00:34] <fungus494> hmm in all honesty i dont see a means to change color depth... my resolution settings r as follows
[00:35] <dr_willis> !nomodeset
[00:35] <fungus494> vga monitor 1024x768 refresh 85 dvi 1024x768 refresh 60
[00:36] <fungus494> if i take it a notch higher on the vga the screen shakes alot...
[00:37] <fungus494> i got my flash player issue kinda worked out...(was half screened purple and green) im now using chrome
[00:37] <tannji> fungus494,  how old is the laptop?  wouldnt expect it to have that high of a refresh rate
[00:38] <hadifarnoud> I can't resolve any site. wget: unable to resolve host address `github.com'
[00:38] <fungus494> i understand that this integrated intel 855gm chipset has problems with linux just wanna check to see if i can run more optimally or if this is as good as it gets
[00:38] <hadifarnoud> I didn't change resolve file
[00:38] <fungus494> uh i think shes 10 years old
[00:39] <fungus494> 03-04
[00:39] <dr_willis> 10 yr old with dvi?
[00:39] <Thete> fungus494, Is it haswell?
[00:39] <fungus494> is that surprising?
[00:39] <dr_willis> the only real issue is the bootsplash fungus494 ?
[00:40] <fungus494> toshiba sattelite s155
[00:40] <tannji> have you enabled additional drivers, or music and video playback yet?
[00:40] <hadifarnoud> my resolve.conf https://gist.github.com/anonymous/eedc2d3b54f3d59392c6
[00:40] <fungus494> bootsplash looks great!
[00:40] <fungus494> after spash looks like shit
[00:40] <dr_willis> the desktop you mean?
[00:40] <fungus494> so im sure i can do better if during boot it looks great
[00:41] <dr_willis> using dual monitors
[00:41] <fungus494> after boot it like... downgrades
[00:41] <fungus494> yeah i heard theres a minor bug with dual
[00:41] <fungus494> the original screen is cracked bad
[00:42] <hadifarnoud> my server is under DDoS attack by a few ip addresses. if I block them via iptable command, do they get unblocked after reboot?
[00:42] <dr_willis> it is booted when you see that splash.. you can tweak monitors with the xrandr tools
[00:42] <tannji> fungus494,  so are you using dual screens, or do you have the original one turned off in bios?
[00:42] <fungus494> im using dual
[00:43] <fungus494> i tried turning the first off under display settings and raising resolution on vga... no dice anything higher than 1024x768 she shakes
[00:43] <tannji> fungus494,  have you gone to displays and detected and calivrated?  or like Dr Willis said, use xrandr tools
[00:43] <tannji> calibrated*
[00:44] <fungus494> i tried rand r before and possibly i didnt understand how to use it correctly
[00:44] <tannji> fungus494,  is the second display LCD or CRT?
[00:44] <fungus494> no i have not detected and aclibrated... how do i do so?
[00:44] <fungus494> crt
[00:45] <tannji> fungus494,  you can calibrate under System Settings/color...  but I havent had great success there either
[00:46] <fungus494> i have arandr ready to download in the center shall i do so and well go from there?
[00:46] <fungus494> i dont see system settings...
[00:47] <dr_willis> !info xrandr
[00:47] <tannji> fungus494,  try it...  but I would be open to the possibility that your particular chipset/igp might not play well with that monitor, or with linux
[00:47] <dr_willis> !xrandr
[00:48] <tannji> dr_willis,  what do you think about just having him disable native monitor in Bios, rather than Xrandr?
[00:49] <dr_willis> may as well do that if it supports it
[00:50] <fungus494> how would i do that? i recall having the native monito off when i was using xp made no sence to have it on when 80 persent of screen is black
[00:51] <tannji> fungus494,  some machines have an open in bios to disable native monitor, some machines only option is in windows, which obviously wont work here
[00:51] <dr_willis> the monitors/displays  tools can turn one off. i belive
[00:52] <fungus494> orie@linux:~$ xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767 LVDS1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm    1024x768       60.0*+    800x600        60.3     56.2      640x480        59.9   VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 312mm x 234mm    1024x768       85.0*+   75.1      1600x1200      65.0      1280x1024      75.0      
[00:52] <tannji>  i think you are correct
[00:52] <Gamore> hi when I try and update I get this... E: /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvutils_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/mesg.1.gz', which is also in package sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-13.10ubuntu11.1
[00:53] <tannji> fungus....  what is the resolution you are trying for on external monitor?
[00:53] <fungus494> not sure what any of that means
[00:53] <fungus494> well in all honesty this resolution seems fine... but the colors are well blotchy
[00:54] <fungus494> is this a resolution issue?
[00:54] <fungus494> or something else entirely
[00:54] <Gamore> hi when I try and update I get this... E: /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvutils_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/mesg.1.gz', which is also in package sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-13.10ubuntu11.1
[00:54] <fungus494> videos look... cartoony
[00:55] <tannji> fungus494,  it shouldnt be, but I am leaning towards you should have it at 75htz for 1024X768
[00:55] <Gamore> I am running Ubuntu 12.04 and trying to update with Synaptic
[00:56] <fungus494> alright.... i just thought higher was better so i put 80htz
[00:56] <fungus494> hmmm at 75 i have black outline around desktop
[00:56] <tannji> fungus494,  higher is desirable...  but on older monitors they usually had a table of suggested frequencies for available resolutions
[00:57] <tannji> fungus494,  you are running Lbuntu, not Ubuntu, correct?
[00:57] <fungus494> yes
[00:58] <fungus494> lubuntu is soooo much lighter
[00:58] <fungus494> and as this is a ten year old machine...
[00:59] <tannji> well, one other thing I would check is if there are additional drivers you could optionally use...   under System Settings/Software and Updates
[00:59] <tannji> fungus494,  ya, hear ya...  but I would check drivers...  keeping in mind that with that IGP this may be as good as it gets
[01:00] <fungus494> yeah im happy with the resolution (sizing) there is just a prob with gradiance on desktop and movies... splash screen wallpaper looks great so im fairly confidant that the com is capable of more
[01:00] <fedesilva> Hi, I have a problem with the nvidia driver when using steam, I got the followin error when launching:
[01:00] <fedesilva> OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering, which may cause performance problems
[01:01] <natural> will anyone here help me out installing ubuntu server 12.04.2-server-amd64  i'm at the network autoconfigureation failed page, it says my network is probably not using the DHCP protocol, any help?
[01:01] <tannji> fungus494,  I dont think that splash screen is rendered the same way the desktop is under Xserver.  may be wrong, but in older windows they were different
[01:01] <fedesilva> I've tried all suggested solutions but I cannot make it work
[01:01] <rafael_> Guys, Ctrl + A on the terminal puts the cursor to the beginning of the line, right? You know what the say command places the cursor to the end of a line, considering anything written?
[01:02] <fungus494> during boot i literally watch it go from beautiful than resize to black border around desktop and ribbons where color blends
[01:02] <tannji> fungus494,  right.  Xserver may have already started, but lightdm and unity may complicate it.  I really dont know
[01:03] <selim> can someone help me to find out how I can redo a failed update
[01:03] <fungus494> yeah im aware that im essentially screwed with this intel 855gm... its disapointing to see a beautifull spash and than go to shit
[01:03] <tannji> wait... your using lbuntu, so no unity?
[01:03] <fungus494> no unity
[01:03] <tannji> k
[01:03] <selim> the aptitude log shows me that the update has been tried but they all failed due to not enough space on /tmp
[01:03] <selim> so the packages couldn't be extracted and installed
[01:03] <fungus494> tried all versions and lubuntu seems right
[01:03] <IdleOne> fungus494: Please mind your language
[01:03] <fungus494> sorry
[01:03] <tannji> lol
[01:04] <selim> so my target would be to reinstall all those package
[01:04] <selim> +s
[01:04] <xangua> selim: have you uninstalled old kernels¿
[01:04] <selim> is that possible somehow
[01:04] <selim> xangua: no
[01:04] <tannji> technical terms get no contextual respect  = )
[01:05] <aguitel> i installed 13.04 desktop ,anyway to login in classic mode ?
[01:05] <tannji> fungus494,  last ditch, check video drivers as I said earlier....  and cross your fingers
[01:05] <fungus494> when u mentioned going into bios and disabling native monitor... does that mean hitting the f2 or f8 key when booting?
[01:06] <tannji> fungus494,  right... depending on how your particular bios has it set up
[01:06] <UnderSampled> the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables says to use ~/.pam_environment and ~/.profile, but I not see that file here only ~/.profile. Do I need to add ~/.pam_environment, or should I just use ~/.profile ?
[01:06] <fungus494> i did that for weeks... when my flash plugin was bad
[01:06] <fungus494> aparently what ubuntu gave me is it
[01:06] <UnderSampled> And what is the difference?
[01:06] <selim> xangua: why?
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, Have you installed the fallback?
[01:06] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, what is this?
[01:07] <tannji> fungus494,  well...  times are tight but you could buy a much newer laptop for probably less than $100
[01:07] <fungus494> i guess theres a means to get the correct intel drivers but not on raring from my understanding
[01:07] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, That is the classic DE, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-classic-gnome-desktop-in-ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail.html
[01:07] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, thanks
[01:07] <fungus494> 404 ppa doesnt exhist or something
[01:07] <tannji> fungus494,  ya...  most intel drivers are great, but that long ago it gets a little dicier
[01:08] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, No problem, helps to actually see the process sometimes.
[01:08] <fungus494> in the ppa theres intel drivers for quantal and precise
[01:08] <tannji> fung, well, downgrading to quantal is an option
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, It's not gnome 2 but an replica.
[01:09] <fungus494> so i tried 12.10 but after i hit install black screen... nothing else. read up on it and after 11.04 (or something) serious problems with intel 855gm
[01:09] <fungus494> or mebe 10. something
[01:09] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, i used mate
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> cool
[01:10] <Gamore> hi when I try and update I get this... E: /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvutils_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/mesg.1.gz', which is also in package sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-13.10ubuntu11.1
[01:10] <fungus494> would prefer to keep my version of ubuntu recent...
[01:10] <fungus494> isnt july gonna be a big month for raring
[01:10] <tannji> fungus494,  I might try one of the older open SUSE distros.   pretty user-friendly and lighter weight?
[01:10] <natural> does ubuntu server 12.04.2 64 bit lts need DHCP to run right?
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> Gamore, run in the terminal sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade and pastebin all the text
[01:11] <hadifarnoud> how can I block all incoming connections for a short period of time? like a few hours
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> !pastebn > Gamore
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> !pastebin > Gamore
[01:12] <fungus494> yeah... kinda hooked on lubuntu 13.04 right now. might just have to accept what i got
[01:12] <fungus494> with any luck whan july brings updates i might get lucky
[01:13] <tannji> ...
[01:13] <tannji> hope so  = )
[01:13] <fungus494> im gonna try disabling native monitor in bios for now... thanks for all the help
[01:13] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, anyway to add icons in desktop in fallback mode?
[01:14] <tannji> good luck Fungus
[01:14] <kevlar555> Estoy instalando 13.04 de forma automatica y se paró instalando los plugins de adobe... hace 6 horas que esta ahi... que hago?
[01:15] <kevlar555> Here, Im upgrading to 13.04, and its stop at adobe plugins download like since 6 hs ago... what to do?
[01:15] <Gamore> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794174/
[01:15] <hadifarnoud> how can I block all incoming connections for a short period of time? like a few hours
[01:16] <tannji> I just built my AMD driver and it popped up a Catalyst window offering to Install driver, or Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package..  I assume this is normal when installing manually?  Also, Catalyst window is labeled Driver 13.101 Setup, and I am trying to install 13.6 beta...
[01:17] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, Says 11.10 but works in all ubuntu's for desktop launchers http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-desktop-launchers-in-ubuntu-11-10oneiric.html
[01:17] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, You can set your own icon to by clicking on the add gu and choosing the one you want.
[01:18] <wilee-nilee> gu*
[01:18] <wilee-nilee> gui* stupid i key
[01:18] <tannji> lol
[01:19] <Gamore> I'm very sorry but I am new to all this and I was wondering if someone can take a look at this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794174/
[01:19] <marco__> anyone here have audacity?
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> !ask | marco__
[01:22] <Mobranch> anyone heard of kali linux?
[01:22] <wilee-nilee> !ot | Mobranch
[01:23] <Sagitarius> Hi guys
[01:23] <CaTeGoRe> is kali no longer based on ubuntu?
[01:24] <histo> CaTeGoRe: correct
[01:24] <Sagitarius> i have a big trouble :(
[01:24] <histo> Mobranch: /j #kali-linux
[01:24] <histo> !ask | Sagitarius
[01:26] <kevlar555> Here, Im upgrading to 13.04, and its stop at adobe plugins download like since 6 hs ago... what to do?
[01:26] <kevlar555> Im wondering to shut down my laptop...
[01:26] <Sagitarius> ok
[01:27] <wilee-nilee> kevlar555, If you are downloading you can stop it if upgrading a stop will be problematic.
[01:27] <Sagitarius> i change my version of ubuntu to 13.04 (from 12.10) sry about my english is not my native leanguaje
[01:27] <Sagitarius> and when i restart i read it
[01:27] <wilee-nilee> you may have to stop though, not sure why it would be upgrading adobe
[01:28] <Sagitarius> "the system is running in low-graphics mode your screen, graphics card, and input device settings could not be detected correctly, you will need configure these yourself"
[01:29] <Sagitarius> and i dont know what happen...  my version 12.10 work so good.. and 13.04 jsut crash
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, Upgrade or fresh install?
[01:29] <kevlar555> yes, its the automatic upgrade, im like nervous...
[01:30] <Sagitarius> Upgrade
[01:30] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, You have a nvidia card?
[01:30] <Sagitarius> Ati card
[01:30] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, Have you run a update and upgrade and checked additional drivers?
[01:32] <Gamore> I am going to get something to eat if someone can answer this will you do it in a PM http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794174/
[01:32] <Sagitarius> after to upgrade i work with the driver from ATI site
[01:32] <Sagitarius> i download the driver from the ATI web
[01:32] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, Using the drivers from the site is not advised.
[01:32] <Sagitarius> and work good in 12-10
[01:33] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, This driver is what is caising problems, you were good before loading it?
[01:34] <wilee-nilee> causing*
[01:34] <Sagitarius> yep be good for 12.10 and 12.04 :/
[01:34] <Sagitarius> i use the same driver
[01:34] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, I mean before you loaded that driver how did 13.04 look?
[01:35] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, A description of just crash could mean anything, can you be detailed on this?
[01:36] <exotron> hats
[01:36] <sunlnx> Is this room for reporting ubuntu bug
[01:37] <Mobranch> yea
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> sunlnx, YOu want launchpad
[01:37] <Sagitarius> yep the driver work good
[01:37] <Sagitarius> and when i upgrade
[01:37] <Sagitarius> just crash
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, WE are not communicating what is your natve language?
[01:37] <Sagitarius> Spanish -.-
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> !es | Sagitarius
[01:38] <sunlnx> ok, i do not know whayt you mean saying "lunachpad", Sagitarius
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, Try there for better help probably.
[01:38] <Sagitarius> Great! thx u wilee-nilee
[01:38] <Sagitarius> its my first time here
[01:38] <Sagitarius> sorry
[01:38] <Sagitarius> and thx again
[01:39] <FloodBot1> Sagitarius: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:39] <OerHeks> !bug
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> Sagitarius, No problem, we want to see you get help. ;)
[01:40] <sunlnx> ubottu, are you  working for ubuntu?
[01:40] <sunlnx> ok,
[01:41] <Gamore> ok I can see I am not going to get help today so I will be back later
[01:43] <orangerobot> i've just upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04 and i've ticed that, although all my previous kernel versions had "pae" after their names, the new one doesn't. i'm having some problems with network and graphics cards. could this be why????
[01:44] <holstein> orangerobot: try a pae kernel and see.. but i dont think so
[01:44] <holstein> orangerobot: i would just fresh install 13.04, or try it live
[01:45] <y0grit> im trying to echo in text to a .list file with sudo but i still have permission denied
[01:45] <somsip> y0grit: when you redirect, you lose the sudo rights. Look into using tee
[01:45] <y0grit> ah
[01:45] <y0grit> ty
[01:46] <orangerobot> holstein: i have right now nointernet cnnection on the computer i want to do this on. how would i proceed on doing this fres install of 13.04 on top of it?
[01:47] <holstein> orangerobot: i would download an iso from whatever machine you are connecting to the IRC with
[01:48] <orangerobot> holstein: and then boot from a cd or usb? would that work like an upgrade (i.e. keeping my files intact), install a newubuntu instance alongside the old one or overwrite my old ubuntuinstall?
[01:49] <holstein> orangerobot: i usually take the opportunity, before upgrading, or reinstalling, to backup my data, since *all* hard drives fail
[01:49] <holstein> orangerobot: after that is done, then i can decide to just wipe out an install, if that is the easiest, and put my data back
[01:51] <orangerobot> so, upon instaling ubuntu from an 13.04 iso, i'll be asked whether i want to overwrite the old install or not?
[01:52] <Dr_willis> orangerobot,  i belive so
[01:52] <Dr_willis> or you can just delete the install beforhand
[01:52] <holstein> orangerobot: it'll look very similar to like it did when you installed ubuntu before, or any OS.. a few options, one of which will be "delete everything and fresh install"
[01:53] <orangerobot> ok. thank you for helping me guys, holstein  and Dr_willis
[01:53] <cloudsben> clear
[01:54] <orangerobot> just one last question. booting from usb is just as good as from a cd, right?
[01:54] <Dr_willis> i basically never use optical media these days
[01:54] <asharas> Hi all! What's the best way to share a directory in my /home with another user on my system?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> asharas,  you can set the permissions on it. where they can just cd/access it
[01:55] <Dr_willis> !permissions
[01:55] <asharas> yeah Dr_willis but I don't want it on 777 :-/
[01:56] <Dr_willis> I never said make it 777
[01:56] <Dr_willis> theres OTHER #'s out there...
[01:56] <Dr_willis> depending on exactly what you want them to do.
[01:56] <asharas> just read it, but only one user, not "others" and I don't wan't to add this user to my group
[01:58] <asharas> I made a symlink but the target's permission don't allow the user to read it
[01:58] <y0grit> somsip: i had to do sudo tee
[01:58] <y0grit> and that worked
[01:59] <somsip> y0grit: like echo 'text' | sudo tee file.list
[01:59] <histo> asharas: create a group for you and the user and add that group to the shared dir
[02:00] <asharas> histo: does a dir can have multiple groups? or only one?
[02:00] <Dr_willis> users can be in several groups.
[02:00] <asharas> yeah, secondary groups
[02:00] <asharas> ok, thanks guys
[02:01] <asharas> I think I'll do like this
[02:01] <asharas> didn't know if there was kind of a suid for a directory
[02:03] <crankharder> failed logs from 'sudo apt-get -f upgrade' : https://gist.github.com/crankharder/f9a15c2b4ce1f226fdc6
[02:03] <crankharder> thoughts on fixing that?
[02:03] <MyLordJesusChris> godhatesfags.com
[02:03] <benedikt> both fglrx and fglrx make everything with my ATI HD5750 card sluggish. Radeon is fine. Is it just much better or did i miss something?
[02:03] <MyLordJesusChris> !ops | god hates fags
[02:04] <MyLordJesusChris> !ops  god will drop kick your rebellious ass to hell
[02:04] <MyLordJesusChris> !ops  god will drop kick your rebellious ass to hell
[02:04] <FloodBot1> MyLordJesusChris: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:04] <ccclipsss> wilee-nilee did you get my message earlier
[02:05] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, I was out getting lunch I missed it.
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> I remember the no read of a dvd/usb is that right ccclipsss
[02:06] <ccclipsss> correct
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> what's up
[02:06] <ccclipsss> you can go ahead and call me a noob if you would like
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, Lol, I would never do that.
[02:06] <ccclipsss> all i had to do was enable legacy boot and then the USB and DVD boot showed up in the boot menu.
[02:07] <ccclipsss> *facepalm
[02:07] <fungus836> hey whats up its me again
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, Cool, the uefi thing is a bit of hit and miss, you are not alone.
[02:07] <fungus836> no dice disabling lvd...
[02:07] <ccclipsss> i appreciate the help though. had you not pointed me in the direction of that uefi help site i wouldn't have figured it out.
[02:07] <fungus836> i went as far as opening up lappy and unplugging screen
[02:08] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[02:08] <y0grit> somsip: sudo echo "<text>" | sudo tee --a <file>
[02:08] <y0grit> lol
[02:08] <fungus836> however in display settings lvd still shows
[02:08] <y0grit> that worked
[02:08] <Dzonis> windows 8 sucks rats furry ass...
[02:08] <ccclipsss> windows 8 is garbage
[02:09] <ccclipsss> winows hasn't been good since XP imho
[02:09] <holstein> !ot
[02:09] <pong__> what about 7?
[02:09] <xeeshahzad> guys i have a problem
[02:09] <xeeshahzad> can any body help me?
[02:09] <pong__> is vista with sp2 the same thing as 7?
[02:09] <Dzonis> win7 is defo better than 8
[02:09] <holstein> !ask | pong__
[02:09] <fungus836> nother question... lubuntu is ubuntu (for the most part from my understanding) whats the diffence between lubuntu software center and ubuntu software center?
[02:10] <Dzonis> xp is best
[02:10] <Dzonis> still sucks compared to linux
[02:10] <IdleOne> Dzonis: What does any of that have to do with Ubuntu support?
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> fungus836, same repos probaly little
[02:10] <holstein> fungus836: both are package managers. you can use either in place of the other.. but you wouldnt
[02:10] <IdleOne> Please keep the off topic commentary out of this channel
[02:10] <Dzonis> sorry everyone!
[02:11] <Dzonis> just having a meltdown...
[02:11] <fungus836> so lubuntu software center is just lighter?
[02:11] <holstein> fungus836: lubuntu is made to be lighter..
[02:11] <fungus836> im not missing out on any extras in the center
[02:11] <fungus836> what i mean to say all the packages r the same
[02:11] <holstein> fungus836: feel free and install the other center, if you feel you are missing something.. but, the sources are the same
[02:12] <fungus836> alright... no im happy with my light version
[02:12] <fungus836> just making sure
[02:12] <pong__> sudo apt-install gnome doesn't install gnome for me
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> pong__, What are you trying to install?
[02:12] <fungus836> try gnome-desktop
[02:13] <fungus836> or gnome-core
[02:13] <pong__> gnome-desktop doesnt work either
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> no no no
[02:13] <pong__> gnome on xubuntu
[02:13] <zykotick9> pong__: also, it's "sudo apt-get install foo"...
[02:13] <holstein> !gnome
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> pong__, You want unity or the shell or the fallback?
[02:13] <pong__> I put the get in
[02:13] <fungus836> lol yeah that would help
[02:13] <pong__> the fallback
[02:13] <pong__> 2.3 or 3
[02:13] <holstein> nm that.. ubuntu-desktop wont get you gnome...
[02:13] <fungus836> sudp apt-get install gnome-desktop
[02:14] <fungus836> sudo
[02:14] <holstein> pong__: i would just open a package manager and search "gnome" and see what it is you want
[02:14] <pong__> can you install gnome on a live cd
[02:14] <pong__> ?
[02:15] <holstein> pong__: at some point, you might run out of space.. but you can try
[02:15] <wilee-nilee> pong__, sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[02:15] <holstein> pong__: it will be a lot like this.. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/gnome-3-8-ppa-for-ubuntu-gnome though, you shouldnt need the PPA
[02:15] <wilee-nilee> pong__, This will install gnome 3 if not there
[02:15] <crankharder> how do I properly free up space in /boot?
[02:15] <crankharder> bunch of intrd.img's there
[02:15] <crankharder> can't build a new one
[02:15] <wilee-nilee> crankharder, This a boot partition?
[02:16] <crankharder> yes
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> crankharder, remove the extra kernels
[02:16] <crankharder> manually?
[02:16] <crankharder> no cmd to clean up the ones not in use?
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> crankharder,  just use ubuntu-tweak, but you can list all there and remove them.
[02:17] <wilee-nilee> I *
[02:17] <crankharder> this is ubuntu server
[02:17] <crankharder> how can i tell which version is currently booted before I go rm -rfing things
[02:18] <jrib> !version | crankharder
[02:18] <OerHeks> " sudo apt-get autoremove  " will remove unused kernels
[02:18] <holstein> crankharder: i would ust a package manger to remove older kernels, as wilee-nilee suggests
[02:18] <jrib> crankharder: uname -a for kernel...
[02:19] <wilee-nilee> I like ubuntu-tweak it will remove the cache and all
[02:19] <wilee-nilee> er config's
[02:19] <Dr_willis> i recall askubuntu.com having some scripts for removeing all  kernels that were not in use.
[02:20] <OerHeks> I just removed 3.8.0-23 + 25 + 27  incl dependencies in virtualbox
[02:20] <Tapper> hey guys, anyone know of a decent app that will take mp4 and avi and create a video cd or super video cd?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Tapper,  try devede
[02:21] <Corey> Handbrake.
[02:21] <Dr_willis> handbreak goes the other way i thought. ;)
[02:21] <Corey> Dr_willis: It can do both.
[02:21] <Dr_willis> i seemto recall k3b having  videocd/supeervide cd support..  but areent those rather outdated formats
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Corey,  i definatly dont see where in handbrake it can , converting some viudeos with it now.
[02:22] <Tapper> Dr_willis, thank you very much
[02:23] <Dr_willis> still trying to figure out how to tell handbrak to just 'add all to queue'  using the same settings as the first item..
[02:24] <fungus525> btw whe i ran kubuntu my desktop wallpaper was beautifull why not on lubuntu?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> fungus525,  wallpapers are just images.. use the same wallpaper..
[02:25] <holstein> fungus525: you can use the same images
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> fungus525, different developers, you can have what you want.
[02:26] <fungus525> no i mean in lubuntu their blotchy
[02:27] <fungus525> theyre
[02:27] <holstein> fungus525: take a screenshot.. see the original image.. check how you are using it.. strech mode, or whatever
[02:27] <fungus525> kubuntu plasma desktop looked remarkable
[02:28] <holstein> fungus525: the "l" in lubuntu is from LXDE.. L = light ..that is not the goal of KDE.. there could be some "magic" that makes sure the wallpapers are implemented correctly.. something that is not considered worth the overhead in LXDE
[02:29] <tiago> hi
[02:29] <holstein> fungus525: you should use LXDE because its light.. if you are worried about looks, you might prefer something like XFCE that might be more in the middle
[02:29] <Dr_willis> if the images are the same.. and the bitdepth of the desktop is the same.. the  wallpapers should be identical
[02:29] <holstein> fungus525: although, i have never had any issues getting wallpaper to work
[02:29] <fungus525> xfce did the same blotchy wallpaper
[02:30] <Dr_willis> check your display settings
[02:30] <Dr_willis> they are always identical here for me
[02:30] <holstein> fungus525: take that screenshot too
[02:30] <fungus525> how do i take a screenshot
[02:31] <fungus525> and link it here
[02:31] <Dr_willis> !screenshot
[02:31] <Dr_willis> or just use a solid color background :P
[02:31] <holstein> or KDE, if you prefer it
[02:31] <fungus525> i didnt like kde...
[02:31] <fungus525> very starnge
[02:33] <Dr_willis> if you are a wallpaper addict --> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/06/variety-wallpaper-changer-0415-released.html
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Variety is a wallpaper changer that automatically downloads wallpapers from sources such as Wallbase, Flickr, Wallpapers.net, Desktoppr, NASA Astronomy Picture of the Da
[02:34] <Dr_willis> kde is very flexiable.. their defaults are a little odd i found.
[02:35] <fungus525> http://imagebin.org/262326
[02:36] <holstein> fungus525: and, that is the "blotchy" one?
[02:36] <fungus525> so what do u all make of that
[02:36] <fungus525> uh huh
[02:36] <OerHeks> not bad
[02:36] <Dr_willis> and what does xrandr say about your monitor display
[02:36] <asharas> histo: it worked perfect with your idea, exept I had to o+x my home directory
[02:36] <asharas> thx again
[02:36] <fungus525> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767 LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)    1024x768       60.0 +    800x600        60.3     56.2      640x480        59.9   VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 312mm x 234mm    1024x768       85.0*+   75.1      1600x1200      65.0      1280x1024      75.0      800x600        85.1     75.0      640x480   
[02:37] <holstein> fungus525: im going to agree with where i think Dr_willis is going..
[02:37] <fungus525> u mean as good as it gets...
[02:37] <Dr_willis> cant even recall where to determind color depth.. havent had to mess withit in like years.
[02:37] <Dr_willis> fungus525,  post a kde screenshot i guess...
[02:38] <Dr_willis> since i dont have that original image to compare to
[02:38] <holstein> fungus525: i mean, i agree that the color depth might be set differenently
[02:38] <Dr_willis> in fact.. why not POST the original wallpaper image also..
[02:38] <holstein> fungus525: you could just put the original image in imagebin
[02:38] <Dr_willis> ;P
[02:38] <fungus525> i dont have kde anymore... strictly lubuntu
[02:39] <Dr_willis> its also possible that image had some transparency features that was used by KDE. and not LXDE
[02:40] <Dr_willis> Pictures and graphics can have 32-bit colors, in which case the last 8 bits are used for Alpha channel (transparency). As long as out displays can't become transparent they have no need for those last 8 bits.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1608107
[02:40] <Tovneb> So ubuntu on most tablets still doesn't quite work?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Tovneb,  'most' ? its only really being developed for the Nexus 7 and 10 and 4 i think.. unless they have expanded their official target
[02:41] <fungus525> hmm not sure how to put the original in image burn but... that desktop lootks great during boot
[02:41] <holstein> fungus525: just put the original up
[02:41] <fungus525> where is the original saved
[02:41] <holstein> fungus525: same as you did the screenshot
[02:42] <Tovneb> Dr_willis, I guess all but one falls uinder most assuming at least 3 yes.
[02:42] <holstein> fungus525: you can search for it by name
[02:42] <fungus525> that is a screenshot of my desktop... when i go to display settings to pick the image i cant save the image
[02:43] <shawn_> hi guys I have a USB DVD Rom drive plugged into my Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit installation and I am unable to locate it even though its present in Unity. I just want to know the path to my dvd. Is there any way to obtain this information?
[02:43] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  try mounting it by hand,  normally it would be /media/username/somnthing when auto-mounted
[02:44] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  mount command should also show the location
[02:44] <hadifarnoud> I have modsecurity Version: 2.5.11-1ubuntu0.1 what OWASP version should I use
[02:44] <holstein> fungus525: put the original image up
[02:44] <Dr_willis> wallpapers are in /usr/share/wallpapers i thought..
[02:44] <shawn_> hi Dr_willis, when I type "mount" in terminal I am presented with only my hard drives /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdb1 I do not see my cd rom drive anywhere
[02:44] <Dr_willis> or was it wallpaper
[02:44] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  then its not mounted yet. so its nowhere.
[02:45] <shawn_> then how is ubuntu detecting a cd when inserted?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  put a disk in, and  it auto-mounts it on insertation
[02:45] <OerHeks> shawn_, put in a disc, i think it will appear
[02:45] <ccolorado> Hello, I am having problems installing python-setuptools, apt get 404 on the packages, tried apt-get update, and i get some sources updated and some 404's. Currently running 11.04
[02:45] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  you dont access it with no disk in the drive. ;)
[02:45] <fungus525> hmmm i cant find
[02:45] <shawn_> okay so I have inserted a "Blank DVD+R DL Disc" as stated in CD/DVD Creator
[02:45] <Dr_willis> and you dont mount music cds
[02:45] <holstein> fungus525: you can search by name
[02:45] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | ccolorado
[02:46] <Dr_willis> a blank disk is also no filesystem = so its not mounted..
[02:46] <holstein> fungus525: you can search all the images as well
[02:46] <shawn_> so how would I specify in growisofs the /dev/ location?
[02:46] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  the DEV location is very differnt then the mountpoint
[02:46] <OerHeks> eject && eject -t
[02:46] <ccolorado> bazhang: thanks
[02:46] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd  are normally links to the actual /dev/XxX device
[02:46] <shawn_> I understand now! Thank you! Dr_willis how would I go about obtaining the /dev/ location?
[02:47] <shawn_> Dr_willis I do not see anything of the sort in /dev/.. no /dev/cdrom0, /dev/dvdrom0, /dev/sr0
[02:47] <shawn_> is there a way to just see the path that Unity is using? Like in windows?
[02:47] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  unplug. plug it back in,  then try the 'dmesg' command in  the terminal a few moments later.. it should detect and show info about the device
[02:47] <Dr_willis> if its detected
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Unity would not be using the /dev/XXX path  - IT would use the MOUNTPOINT path.. to access files on a disk.
[02:48] <shawn_> Dr_willis, I have tried restarting my computer to no avail I am trying your instructions now
[02:48] <Dr_willis> disk burner tools would use the /dev/XXx name to access the actual device
[02:48] <shawn_> i see.. well I wish Ubuntu would provide me with that information
[02:48] <fungus525> hmm its in the file system but i cant do anything to it
[02:48] <shawn_> Dr_willis I am presented with a screen that is stating "Unable to mount Blank DVD+R DL Disc"
[02:49] <shawn_> Dr_willis it states "Location is already mounted"
[02:49] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  the burner tools normally auto detect and thesystem routes /dev/dvd to the actual device as standard practice
[02:49] <Dr_willis> you DONT mount a blank dvd. theres no filesystem for it to mount.
[02:49] <Dr_willis> so its saying basically 'i cant mount this'
[02:49] <Dr_willis> what are you wanting to do with the disk?
[02:49] <shawn_> Dr_willis I just put in a blank DVD, ubuntu is the one attempting to mount it.
[02:49] <holstein> fungus525: open imagebin and navigate to it
[02:49] <shawn_> Dr_willis I just want to burn a dvd
[02:49] <shawn_> using growisofs
[02:49] <fungus525> its a default wallpaper... looks smooth and high def during boot but than changes to that with black boarder around desktop before login
[02:50] <Dr_willis> and its saying it cant.. so  do what you want.. fire up your dvd burner app.. and see if it burns
[02:50] <shawn_> Dr_willis I only need the /dev/xxx you mentioned earlier
[02:50] <holstein> fungus525: link the wallpaper in imagebin so we can compare
[02:50] <fungus525> cant link it
[02:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> can anyone direct me to a good linux networking guide? the manual way, you know ifup, ifdown etc.
[02:50] <fungus525> cant find it
[02:50] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  should be /dev/dvd or dvdrw or /dev/sr0 or sdXX
[02:50] <hadifarnoud> I have modsecurity Version: 2.5.11-1ubuntu0.1 what OWASP version should I use?
[02:50] <fungus525> its in my default wallpapers
[02:50] <shawn_> Dr_willis I am unable to burn a dvd without specifying the path to the device and there is no device specified as /dev/dvd* or /dev/cdrom* or /dev/sr*
[02:51] <holstein> fungus525: you can search by name
[02:51] <Dr_willis> if its an external it may be sdX not srX
[02:51] <nevyn> ntzrmtthihu777: ifup and ifdown are debian/ubuntu specific.
[02:51] <fungus525> tried
[02:51] <holstein> fungus525: whats the issue?
[02:51] <shawn_> is there a way to just see where it is attempting to burn in CD/DVD Creator? Why is Ubuntu so complicated?
[02:51] <Dr_willis> dmesg output should mention the device when you plug in the drive. or put in a data disk and see what 'sudo blkid' says
[02:51] <nevyn> ntzrmtthihu777: there's the networking howto which and the ip tools.
[02:51] <servvs> how can I install ubuntu to a flash drive (not live disk mode). I actually need to be able to install programs and keep my files on it
[02:51] <holstein> shawn_: you should see me on a windows box.. its just different.. try and be patient
[02:52] <shawn_> ok I think I found it! sr1
[02:52] <fungus525> 1304-default-normal.png
[02:52] <Dr_willis> servvs,  you can install to a usb hd/flash same as you would an internal drive.
[02:52] <Dr_willis> ServerSage,  just be sure it puts grub on the usb.
[02:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> nevyn: not a problem, I doubt I'll stray from debian spins
[02:52] <holstein> fungus525: so, navigate to that from imagebin
[02:52] <Dr_willis> servvs, ,  just be sure it puts grub on the usb.
[02:52] <fungus525> search it in file manager and doesnt pop up
[02:52] <shawn_> dmesg reports it as "Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1"
[02:52] <servvs> do I need to install from a disk then?
[02:52] <ccolorado> bazhang: seems like 11.04 is not covered by that piece of documentation.
[02:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> servvs: easy. boot live cd, install to the usb as if it were a hdd. I do it all the time :P
[02:53] <Dr_willis> shawn_,  sounds liek it should be /dev/sr1 then
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> servvs, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[02:53] <fungus525> sorry if im not following u but im lost
[02:53] <shawn_> Dr_willis you are correct..
[02:53] <shawn_> Dr_willis thank you
[02:53] <holstein> fungus525: /usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers/1304-default-normal.png
[02:54] <Dr_willis> http://hackyogi.com/lightweight-lubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-released/
[02:54] <nevyn> ntzrmtthihu777: so there's a whole bunch of automation behind ifup/ifdown
[02:54] <Dr_willis> shows the default wallpaper you are looking for. ;)
[02:55] <holstein> fungus525: i think its a graphics driver, or desktop issue
[02:55] <holstein> fungus525: i think you had an older version of kubuntu, and it supported your graphics card better/easier
[02:55] <neopsyche> Hi all
[02:55] <fungus525> 13.04
[02:56] <neopsyche> Im trying to install ubuntu over windows 7 from external drive but it keeps installing (13/04) to the external, even when selecting replace windows 7
[02:56] <holstein> fungus525: its your desktop
[02:56] <fungus525> what does that mean
[02:56] <holstein> fungus525: what would i do? not worry about it.. it looks great.. choose another wallpaper, and dont worry about it
[02:56] <neopsyche> anyone help?
[02:57] <fungus525> figuerd as much...
[02:57] <Distraught> aloha
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> neopsyche, Use the something else option, and make sure you know what the internal HD sdX is
[02:57] <fungus525> its probably my only complaint...
[02:57] <Distraught> can someone help me with an issue i have with apache and all these configurations?
[02:57] <fungus525> thought there would be a way to remedy it
[02:57] <holstein> fungus525: i mean, im pretty sure if i were at the machine, i could sort it out.. but, you'd have to be willing to try different graphics settings, and its just not worth breaking your system over.. is it?
[02:58] <Distraught> I have changed the nameservers point to the ip
[02:58] <wilee-nilee> neopsyche, Boot a usb sometimes reverses the HD and the usb.
[02:58] <wilee-nilee> booting*
[02:58] <Distraught> done alla the configs on virtual hosts and enabled sites and i think it is not working
[02:58] <holstein> fungus525: there *is* a way.. but, its going to be challenging..
[02:58] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: i know the sdx
[02:58] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: i dont know how to partition it;
[02:58] <wilee-nilee> neopsyche, By memeory or checking?
[02:58] <fungus525> im listening...
[02:58] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: dont know where to start
[02:58] <Distraught> for now it is visible for my country but i think that is not working
[02:59] <Distraught> as i see it from a proxy web app
[02:59] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: i have free space
[02:59] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: need to add swap etc.
[02:59] <fungus525> this is my 11th reinstalation... im not worried about breaking
[02:59] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: its a 128GB ssd
[02:59] <holstein> fungus525: i would download another complicated wallpaper from the internet and try it.. manually.. then report back
[02:59] <fungus525> my minimal cd is in the tray right now and one boot away
[03:01] <fungus525> just download anything
[03:02] <billlpd> ldfg
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> neopsyche, go to the dash and open gparted and take a screenshot and imagebin it
[03:02] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: im on another pc at the moment..
[03:03] <billlpd> ubuntu is slow,laptop is hot
[03:03] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: I have dev/sda, with 'free space'
[03:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> nevyn: yeah, I see that. tbh i never used ifup/down, but I just meant as an example :P
[03:03] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: i deleted all the windows crap
[03:03] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: windows recover etc etc
[03:03] <nevyn> ntzrmtthihu777: ifupdown do all their work using ip
[03:04] <wilee-nilee> neopsyche, The problem we are having here is communicating, this is basic stuff, however there are varibles, I have mentioned some and my questions have not been answered, we are going in circles.
[03:04] <billlpd> jessus
[03:04] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: its a fresh install with no partitions i need to know which partitions to make
[03:04] <holstein> fungus525: get this, and try it http://www.marketwallpapers.com/wallpapers/28/wallpaper-152031.jpg
[03:05] <wilee-nilee> neopsyche, an ext4 and a swap, 2 ext4 if you want a seperate home.
[03:05] <holstein> billlpd: if you have old or unsupported hardware, you might experience that from whatever OS you try that is unsupported
[03:05] <fungus525> http://imagebin.org/262329 heres a pic of my movie player
[03:05] <holstein> billlpd: i have a via chip that i "tolerate".. what is the issue?
[03:05] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: ok, what are teh settings for those?
[03:05] <fungus525> from http://www.justin.tv/highspothorror471#/w/5952552368/145
[03:05] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: primary ? Logical?
[03:05] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: etc
[03:06] <holstein> fungus525: that supports the "its your desktop" theory.. so, you can look at the driver, as i suggested, or the dekstop geometry, as Dr_willis suggested
[03:06] <Dr_willis> fungus525,  looks like your monitor or card cant handle all the color depth its needing.
[03:06] <Dr_willis> or your settings
[03:06] <wilee-nilee> neopsyche, I think others will be better help here, those with more patience, you will get good help here, I just can't walk you through this. ;)
[03:06] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: ok
[03:06] <neopsyche> wilee-nilee: thx
[03:06] <holstein> i think kubuntu was an older version.. or it prompted for a graphics driver that lubuntu didnt
[03:06] <holstein> fungus525: ^^
[03:07] <Dr_willis> Lubuntu and kubuntu should be using the same drivers.. if any extras are there - they should be listed in the 'addational-drivers' tool   fungus525
[03:07] <billlpd> how many people are here
[03:07] <wilee-nilee> 1533
[03:07] <Dr_willis> fungus525,  you do realize you can have both KDE and Lubuntu installed at the same time and seelct what desktop to use at the login screen?
[03:07] <holstein> unless, it was kubuntu 12.04, and lubuntu 13.04.. which is what both sites would kick out as default
[03:07] <fungus525> none in additional
[03:08] <holstein> fungus525: did you install any drivers into kubuntu? was it kubuntu 12.04?
[03:08] <Dr_willis> fungus525,  and your video card is what?
[03:08] <redpill> Seem that more and more each day I think ubuntu was assembled by glue huffers.
[03:08] <Dr_willis> redpill,  take your huffing elsewhere please.
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> redpill, I suggest you cut the prozacs in half.
[03:09] <fungus525> nope just right off rip
[03:09] <redpill> lol
[03:09] <billlpd> do you work with linux
[03:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> neopsyche: I highly recommend a separate /home partition.
[03:09] <fungus525> looked 10 times better
[03:09] <fungus525> 13.04
[03:09] <redpill> i was thinking i need to dlb up
[03:09] <holstein> !ot > billlpd
[03:09] <redpill> dbl*
[03:09] <Dr_willis> fungus525,  and this was on a 10 yr old laptop? or was that someone else?
[03:10] <holstein> fungus525: "better" is a matter of opinion.. is this the *exact* same hardware?
[03:10] <fungus525> http://imagebin.org/262332 the desktop u recomended
[03:10] <holstein> fungus525: i didnt recommend a "desktop".. is that the wallpaper image i asked that you try?
[03:10] <billlpd> i use ubuntu7.10
[03:11] <Dr_willis> looks like  you are not using 24bit color depth to me fungus525.
[03:11] <holstein> fungus525: what hardware are you using? what graphics card?
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> !eol > billlpd
[03:11] <fungus525> yeah toshiba sattelite s155 1 gig ram 40 gig hdd intel 855gm
[03:11] <fungus525> yeah
[03:12] <fungus525> thats the wallpaper u recomended
[03:12] <fungus525> u can still see where the blending should occur...
[03:12] <holstein> fungus525: the hardware i had like that (satelite 2435) i dont use anymore.. the ati graphics were always unsupported
[03:12] <fungus525> it doesnt
[03:13] <billlpd> i used ubuntu7.10 in 2007
[03:13] <holstein> fungus525: the settings are preventing the "blending" you want.. what graphics device are you using?
[03:13] <wilee-nilee> billlpd, This is support chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <fungus525> uh i have intel 855gm
[03:13] <holstein> fungus525: uh?
[03:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> holy moly, 7.10?!
[03:14] <holstein> fungus525: what do you mean by "uh"?
[03:14] <fungus525> thats my graphics device right?
[03:14] <holstein> fungus525: are you referring to me not noticing in the scroll back that you had posted it?
[03:14] <fungus525> my graphics card?
[03:14] <holstein> !volunteers | fungus525
[03:15] <holstein> fungus525: i say, be happy that hardware is still working... if some KDE magic is making blending happen, i would use it.. you can also install kubuntu, and add LXDE or XFCE to it
[03:15] <redpill> one day it will catch up to windows 3.2 i hope
[03:15] <redpill> one day it will catch up to windows 3.1 i hope
[03:15] <billlpd> gnome3 is so slow,and i think it is used for mobile
[03:15] <fungus525> sorry not trying to be an a-hole just didnt understand graphics device...
[03:16] <holstein> fungus525: i think the desktop geometry is set low, and i think something in KDE is allowing that blending to happen.. something that is considered to "heavy" for lubuntu or lxde
[03:16] <fungus525> makes since
[03:16] <fungus525> kinda... lol
[03:16] <holstein> fungus525: the bit depth.. as Dr_willis suggests
[03:16] <fungus525> how do i adjust bit depth
[03:16] <holstein> fungus525: i would get ubuntu 12.04
[03:17] <fungus525> 12.04 wont load
[03:17] <holstein> fungus525: you can do that in the graphics settings.. but you will likely need a custom xorg.conf
[03:17] <fungus525> i read about that
[03:17] <holstein> typically, on older hardware like that, i'll use a knoppix live CD, and grab the xorg.conf from there
[03:18] <fungus525> ah... im using a minimal cd
[03:18] <billlpd> it is better use pc nor laptop when you purcase
[03:18] <holstein> fungus525: use what you like.. its all ubuntu...
[03:18] <fungus525> as i dont have a dvd burner or flash drive big enough
[03:18] <holstein> billlpd: try a hardware channel.. this is the support channel for ubuntu
[03:18] <manchicken> I just got a VivoBook from ASUS and it works amazing.
[03:18] <manchicken> Guys, even the freaking touch screen works.
[03:18] <manchicken> That's without any screwing with the drivers or anything.
[03:19] <manchicken> The LiveCD even worked out of the box.
[03:19] <fungus525> yeah thats my next option just use a live cd
[03:19] <holstein> fungus525: the live CD should be the same
[03:20] <holstein> fungus525: i would try and download an actual lubuntu disk.. if you have always built this using the minimal, maybe you are missing something
[03:20] <fungus525> hmmm... not a bad idae
[03:21] <keith_> having problems removing mysql - anyone run into this yet?
[03:21] <fungus525> how do i go about cusomizing xorg.conf
[03:22] <holstein> fungus525: as i said, i usually get a live CD and grab it from there.. a knoppix live CD.. otherwise, you can search around
[03:22] <holstein> !xorg
[03:22] <holstein> !xorgconf
[03:24] <fungus525> command not found... how do i type it in? do i use the !
[03:24] <holstein> fungus525: what are you typing what into ?
[03:24] <fungus525> is it sudo !xorgconf
[03:24] <kirankumar> my system is fully updated then after some time it's process are hang what reson  behind this?
[03:24] <holstein> fungus525: those are resources to read.. not commands
[03:25] <hadifarnoud> how can I monitor mod_security bans? I want to check if it works. my server is under DDoS attack for a day now
[03:25] <holstein> fungus525: creating a custom xorg.conf is not trivial.. thats why i use a live CD
[03:25] <fungus525> well i guess ill cut to the chase... anyone willing to walk me thru it
[03:26] <fungus525> ive read all those pages and didnt make sense for me
[03:26] <histo> fungus525: What is you need to do with xorg?
[03:26] <fungus525> ive been playing with it for about 2 weeks
[03:26] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: what type of attack?
[03:26] <holstein> fungus525: that was me talking you through it.. i would go to the knoppix site and download a live CD.. its a handy tool.. and grab the xorg.conf from it, and try it it ubuntu
[03:27] <histo> fungus525: What is the problem with X that you feel you need a xorg.conf?
[03:27] <hadifarnoud> dwxreaper: DDoS simple http attack
[03:27] <kirankumar> why system is hang?
[03:27] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: the http requests are what?  are they causing high load, like a page doing a lot of sql?
[03:27] <holstein> histo: fungus525 seems to have low bit depth on an older intel graphics card in LXDE under 13.04.. and XFCE..though, he says, not KDE
[03:28] <histo> holstein: well kde isn't doing anything special so that's odd
[03:28] <fungus525> and to adjust said depth i have to edit xorg?
[03:28] <hadifarnoud> dwxreaper: yes. high cpu and ram usage. too many http requests for a few websites I host
[03:28] <kirankumar> my system response is vary slow in ubuntustudio what reason? some time it's hang
[03:28] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: GET / ?
[03:28] <hadifarnoud> yes dwxreaper
[03:28] <holstein> histo: i know, right? im susupicious of that statement in general.. anyways.. here are some screens http://imagebin.org/262329
[03:28] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: are they spoofed IPs?
[03:29] <hadifarnoud> dwxreaper: I have no idea. I think so, they change all the time
[03:29] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: find out if they are spoofed or not
[03:29] <KriShANsiN> If I installed 12.04 Lts Desktop, and then I did from terminal apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, can i purge lubuntu without any problems, will it remove all of it or do i need to manually remove something else? can it be done? should it be done if i dont want lubuntu anymore?
[03:29] <kirankumar> please reasponse
[03:29] <hadifarnoud> how dwxreaper
[03:29] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: nm, they are not spoofed, if like you say they are GET / requests
[03:29] <hadifarnoud> I installed mod_security and mod_evasive. not sure if they're working
[03:29] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: block them in your firewalls
[03:30] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: if you can get a list of them, with something like netstat or your weblogs
[03:30] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: you can add them to your firewall to block them, like CSF
[03:30] <holstein> histo: default lubuntu wallpaper http://imagebin.org/262326 looks like a bit depth issue, you think?
[03:30] <neopsyche> ntzrmtthihu777: it keeps saying no root file system defined
[03:31] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: you will also want to have one of those modules block to many GET requests in an amount of time
[03:31] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: I believe CSF can be tied with software that blocks brute force attacks like that
[03:31] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: i'm not sure if mod_security will do something for GET /, but if those are the requests, you may want to do what I said and find out
[03:31] <hadifarnoud> ok. thanks dwxreaper
[03:31] <dtreacy> Question: i'm on a mac and ssh into a ubuntu server, but I want to use the cmd key as the super key. Can't find how to do this.
[03:32] <fungus525> i didnt even know what to call it... depth issue... thats fixed in xorgconf?
[03:32] <holstein> fungus525: the issue can be addressed by implementing a custom xorg.conf.. i would suggest using what works though.. if KDE is working, use it
[03:33] <fungus525> all i know the issue isnt there during boot but whan i hit login the screen blacks out and resets to that
[03:33] <fungus525> ugh... kde is sooo strange
[03:33] <KriShANsiN> holstein: so you are a fan of lubuntu? if i have it installed and it works i should leave it?
[03:33] <neopsyche> ntzrmtthihu777: says cdrom could not be unmounted but Im not using cdrom
[03:34] <fungus525> i love lubuntu runs so smoothly
[03:34] <fungus525> fast fast fast
[03:34] <fungus525> revived my ten year old toshiba... im just having some minor graphics issues
[03:34] <neopsyche> anyone?
[03:34] <holstein> KriShANsiN: ? are you talking about my suggestion to fungus525 ? check the scrollback to see the issue he is having that he says he is not having in KDE, but in lxde and xfce
[03:34] <neopsyche> im not using cdrom but ubuntu wont install because it cant unmount cdrom
[03:35] <KriShANsiN> fungus525: i have 12.04 lts main, and i installed lubuntu from terminal. but i dont use it, i normally use the 12.04 unity. in your opinoin should i use lubuntu more? and no i am not talking abot your earlier post.
[03:35] <holstein> KriShANsiN: fungus525 says 12.04 fails to load
[03:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> neopsyche: sometimes it acts like that. it annoys me too, lol. like I said, just boot from sommat and install to the usb you want to use
[03:36] <holstein> KriShANsiN: you should use what fist your needs.. LXDE is nice and light... and works great for many
[03:36] <manchicken> Anybody know if it's possible to tweak the settings of the touchscreen?
[03:36] <neopsyche> ntzrmtthihu777: im trying to install to ssd on notebook from external 1TB drive?
[03:36] <cbryant> LXDE is great imo
[03:36] <manchicken> I'd specifically like to disable cursor selection via touchscreen so that I can scroll in a browser window with the touchscreen.
[03:36] <fungus525> aparently a common problem
[03:36] <KriShANsiN> holstein: yes, mine does not so i was asking if i should [robly keep it and use it more if i choose to? is there a way to install lubuntu only and not the main OS? or do we have to install a main distro and then lubuntu over it ? please clarify this for me as the ubuntu site confuses me on this point.
[03:36] <fungus525> with intel 855 gm
[03:38] <holstein> KriShANsiN: i would just install LXDE, and not lubuntu-desktop.. sometimes that can be an odd experience installing other *-desktop metapackages
[03:38] <fungus525> i had trouble just installing lxde... couldnt do anything
[03:38] <KriShANsiN> holstein: what is the difference between LXDE and lubuntu? and what distro is LXDE? is that the shell ? like Unity/Gnome etc...?
[03:38] <fungus525> just a wallpaper with depth issues
[03:39] <hadifarnoud> dwxreaper: I don't think IPs are spoofed. but they seem to have a large number of zombie nodes. blocking manually doesn't help. atm mod_evasive help a bit but still load is high on my server. only if there was a way to check if actually mod_security and mod_evasive work.
[03:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> neopsyche: geeze, overkill. just need a 1gb+ usb stick
[03:39] <holstein> lubuntu uses LXDE.. lubuntu is ubuntu with LXDE. others can use LXDE as well
[03:39] <holstein> fungus525: your entire desktop has that issue.. its got nothing to do with the wallpaper
[03:40] <KriShANsiN> holstein: how to purge lubuntu from my os if im running 12.04 lts with no probs? should i ?
[03:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> KriShANsiN: psychocats has a guide to purge lubuntu-desktop
[03:40] <holstein> KriShANsiN: if you are having no problems, i wouldnt create any
[03:40] <holstein> i would just install only lxde
[03:41] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde.. and choose it from the login screen
[03:41] <KriShANsiN> holstein: oh really?
[03:41] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: check out cloudflare
[03:41] <Dr_willis> or 'lubuntu-desktop' package
[03:41] <hadifarnoud> dwxreaper: yeah, seems like only way
[03:42] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: as see if you can block x requests per time
[03:42] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: I think csf with b_something does that
[03:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> Dr_willis: lubunt-desktop is just a metapackage, and removing that won't get rid of all of the other stuff that came with it XD
[03:42] <hadifarnoud> dwxreaper: that affect real users though.
[03:43] <Dr_willis> thought he was installng it. ;)
[03:43] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: you would not see get / 1000 times in a minute from a real user
[03:43] <hadifarnoud> true
[03:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> Dr_willis: nah, the other route :P
[03:43] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: so you either get more servers and reverse proxy them or something, block those requests per time, or use something like cloudflare
[03:43] <twenty-three> hi, i am trying to run a program that runs from a terminal, i got an error when trying to use it and i have determined it is because i need a license key which I have now obtained. Apparently, i ought to set it in a "__init__.py" file. I am not sure how to go about this, i found the following lines in that file and i think these are relevant http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794394/
[03:44] <hadifarnoud> I give cloudflare a try dwxreaper
[03:44] <hadifarnoud> cheers
[03:44] <dwxreaper> hadifarnoud: gl
[03:44] <neopsyche> ntzrmtthihu777: ARGH
[03:44] <neopsyche> why is cdrom lockd?
[03:44] <neopsyche> I dont even have a cdrom
[03:45] <CIDR> I tried to install nvidia-current and now after a reboot ubuntu just sits at a pink/purple screen and does nothing.  I can ssh to the box, but X isn't working.  ideas?
[03:45] <asharas> Help :'( I was modifying my iptables, then I did sudo iptables -F and after reboot my main user is no more sudoer
[03:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> Dr_willis: I actually got rid of some xubuntu stuffs and cleaned it up a bit :P I always thought it was stupid as heck to have xubuntu session and xfce session when they were the same XD
[03:45] <Dr_willis> asharas,  iptables has nothing to do with sudo rights.
[03:45] <asharas> and I'm using a server :-/ what happened?
[03:46] <asharas> but what happenned Dr_willis ? I can't do anything now...
[03:46] <Dr_willis> asharas,  whatever happened  - i imagine it had nothing to do with iptables rules.. unless someone instantly hacked you as soon as you removed them. (doubtfull)
[03:46] <gh0s7> hi can someone instruct me on properly bridging wlan0 with eth0?
[03:47] <Dr_willis> !ics | gh0s7
[03:47] <gh0s7> ty
[03:47] <asharas> I swear I followed a tutorial, nothing to do with sudoers file
[03:47] <sgo11> hi, with ubuntu 12.04 and dovecot 1.2.0.19. I created UTF-8 (non-english chars) name directory but it doesn't work. I can not subscribe those folders. how to fix this issue? thanks.
[03:47] <asharas> I don't know what happened and I'd like to understand >_<
[03:47] <Dr_willis> gh0s7,  i belive webupd8 blog site had an artical on  doing hotspot type things with android/iphones also. ;)
[03:48] <Dr_willis> gh0s7,  which is what people seem to want to do these days
[03:48] <neopsyche> aaah!
[03:48] <gh0s7> Dr_willis I am just trying to hook up my xbox to my laptop
[03:48] <gh0s7> Dr_willis I am just trying to avoid buying a wireless adapter.. this was easy on windows... I guess ill see about ubuntu
[03:48] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: please help install .. if you will. from external hd to samsung s5 ultrabook.. I cant get it to.
[03:48] <asharas> Dr_willis: what can I do?
[03:49] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: it is wierd.  it is confused..
[03:49] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: it installs to external drive no matter what
[03:49] <Dr_willis> asharas,  i dont know what you did.. but there are guides out on resetting your sudo rights fromn a live cd, or the recovery console
[03:49] <asharas> can't do it remotely? by starting a ssh server?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,  could be its not detecting the hd in the ultrabook
[03:49] <holstein> neopsyche: it installs to the location you specifiy.. be certain you are choosing the drive you want to use
[03:50] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: I do see the hard drive in the manual something else
[03:50] <Dr_willis> asharas,  you want to recover root rights, without root rights.. that seems a little.. weird.
[03:50] <asharas> Dr_willis: I meant, by booting on a liveCD with ssh activated?
[03:50] <Dr_willis> asharas,  i know of no live-cds that have ssh enabled by default
[03:51] <twenty-three> hi, i am trying to run a program that runs from a terminal, i got an error when trying to use it and i have determined it is because i need a license key which I have now obtained. Apparently, i ought to set it in a "__init__.py" file. I am not sure how to go about this, i found the following lines in that file and i think these are relevant http://paste.ubuntu.com/5794394/
[03:51] <Dr_willis> at least no ubuntu ones that ive noticed.
[03:51] <Dr_willis> guess you could make some live-usb install to do it. but recovery mode would be easier to use if you are going to the server anyway
[03:52] <holstein> twenty-three: if you obtained a license, you really should get support from where ever you got that license..
[03:52] <Dr_willis> twenty-three,  a license for what exactly?
[03:52] <neopsyche> holstein: i am sure.. but it says .. installer needs to commit changes to partition tables but cannot because partitions on mount points could not be unmounted /cdrom
[03:53] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,   you could partion the disk as you want by hand befor you even start the installer
[03:53] <holstein> neopsyche: you should troubleshoot what ever you need to to install where you want. do not choose another location
[03:53] <KriShANsiN> neopsyche: maybe it cant  be unmounted because you are running your os from that live cd current session?
[03:54] <holstein> neopsyche: i would custom partition as Dr_willis  suggests
[03:54] <Dr_willis> that does seem a weird error message however  neopsyche
[03:54] <twenty-three> Dr_willis: for modeller, the program i am trying to use
[03:55] <Dr_willis> twenty-three,  so to use the license.. you have to edit the modler source code?
[03:55] <Dr_willis> that seems.. weird.
[03:55] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: I have done so
[03:56] <twenty-three> well, it is a .py file in a folder after it's been installed
[03:56] <holstein> twenty-three: http://salilab.org/modeller/ ?
[03:56] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: heres the endless loop.. (at least i think it is) unetbootin runs a virtual cd from external drive on usb to enable 'live cd' emulation, this is seen as part of 'sda' which cannot unmount 'itself'
[03:56] <twenty-three> holstein: yes, that one
[03:57] <holstein> twenty-three: this is where i would ask http://salilab.org/modeller/contact.html ..otherwise, you'll need to share the readme files on what you were instructed to do, that you are having issues with.. but, this is not a modeller support channel
[03:57] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,  cant say ive used unetbootin in ages. I tend to set up grub2 to boot iso files
[03:58] <twenty-three> holstein: noted, i'll try them first, thanks holstein
[03:58] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,  wonder if that 'toram' option still exists to copy the whole cd to ram  and run from there.
[03:58] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: im a noober sort of .. Ive got a verbatim 1tb hooked up to samsung s5 ultrabook with borked win7 installation.. it says my primary drive partition (windows) is a CDROM which cant unmount. No idea why
[03:58] <KriShANsiN> neopsyche: i used unetbootin alot recently but i never had any probs, always used a usb stick. but its funny how certain files can not be deleted from that usb using ubuntu after that.
[03:59] <neopsyche> KriShANsiN: im not trying to install to usb.. im trying to install to SSD from USB on S5
[03:59] <neopsyche> ultrabook
[03:59] <holstein> neopsyche: do you have a USB stick?
[03:59] <KriShANsiN> neopsyche: i have a samsung net book
[03:59] <neopsyche> ok
[03:59] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,  could be theres some odd partion on the hard disk that it set to look like a cdrom for recovery/boot purposes
[04:00] <holstein> neopsyche: why is the 1 tb drive connected?
[04:00] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,  you are wanting to keep that windows hd intact? or delete it all?
[04:00] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: yes but dr willis . it cant be the PRIMARY DRIVE ? because all the recovery partitions delete just fine.. but not the main win7 drive 90gigabytes
[04:00] <KriShANsiN> holstein: the 1tb drive is where he is trying to install from?
[04:01] <holstein> why? do you have a usb stick neopsyche ?
[04:01] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,   you can image a ISO/dvd file to a HD and really confuse things. :) some of those U3 flash drives had a similer thing ages ago also.
[04:01] <pong__> I just installed sudo apt-get install grub2, but how do I start it?
[04:01] <neopsyche> KriShANsiN: yes from the 1`tb
[04:01] <Dr_willis> pong__,  grub2 is installed by default normally. what are you trying to acomplish?
[04:01] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: its a verbatim 1tb
[04:02] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: i was thinking the same thing, you shouldnt try to install a OS from a real ex hdd. use a cheap usb stick always!
[04:02] <pong__> Dr_Willis want to use it to run iso linux distros
[04:02] <neopsyche> KriShANsiN: amazing. endless bs.
[04:02] <daya> Hello Everybody, Any one have upgraded 10.04 to 12.4 server, uinsg alternate CD
[04:02] <Dr_willis> pong__,  theres guides out on setting up grub2 to boot ISO files, seen several at the pendrivelinux site.
[04:02] <pong__> ok
[04:03] <Dr_willis> pong__,  making a USB flash drive to boot iso files? theres tools for that there.
[04:03] <KriShANsiN> neopsyche: sorry, i think your prob is that you are installing from a hdd not a live usb or cd rom as the image is .iso . that is your issue i believe.
[04:03] <holstein> neopsyche: if that hard drive is damaged, linux wont fix it.. i would get a USB stick, as suggested, and test
[04:03] <pong__> just thought grub would show up on the applications menu
[04:03] <neopsyche> Dr_willis: i need a guide. to install? I dont understand why why why we still cant capture the noober market. But then perhaps it would not be linux any more.
[04:03] <Dr_willis> neopsyche,  whatever.. you are doing a VERY advanced thing.. and you expect 2 clicks and its done?
[04:03] <holstein> neopsyche: you cant install *any* OS the way you are trying to
[04:03] <KriShANsiN> neopsyche: a guide and a USB stick lol
[04:03] <Dr_willis> ;)
[04:04] <neopsyche> KriShANsiN: ok thanks guys/gals
[04:04] <Dr_willis> oh wait i was talking to pong__  :)
[04:04] <neopsyche> ok thanks
[04:04] <neopsyche> sleepy time now.
[04:04] <neopsyche> I give up lol
[04:04] <neopsyche> I gave some chick my usb stick.. and have regretted it.
[04:04] <neopsyche> argh.
[04:04] <holstein> get a stick, and unplug that 1tb drive...
[04:04] <Dr_willis> pong__,  grub does not have a GUI/tool. its a very lowlevel bootloader tool.
[04:04] <neopsyche> ok
[04:04] <neopsyche> hmm
[04:04] <holstein> neopsyche: they are cheap now..
[04:04] <neopsyche> i even formatted 10 years of videos
[04:05] <Dr_willis> pong__,  grub2 has so many features its pratically its own os in ways. ;)
[04:05] <neopsyche> cheerz peeps
[04:05] <holstein> neopsyche: good luck! :)
[04:05] <warpath_2k> hey family
[04:05] <pong__> maybe I'll look at some youtube grub videos
[04:05] <warpath_2k> wassup
[04:05] <Dr_willis> pong__,  better off reading the guides at askubuntu.com and pendrivelinux
[04:05] <pong__> ok
[04:06] <Dr_willis> watching a video on 'grub' is like trying to learn  how to make crepes  via sms  ;P
[04:06]  * Dr_willis is hungry
[04:06] <pong__> haha
[04:06] <psusi> hehe.. yes...grub2 is quite powerful
[04:07] <Dr_willis> i have  had my normal ubuntu install setup where i boot ISO files from my /boot/ partion as a rescue feature, or to test iso files
[04:08] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: that sounds cool .
[04:08] <pong__> Redobackup is a really good gui drive imager btw
[04:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> Dr_willis: yeah, nifty trick that is. I'm gonna hafta install xubuntu like that due to lack of usb stick and the iso is just a bit too large for a cd
[04:09] <KriShANsiN> ntzrmtthihu777: you guys are funny, i have like 4 differnt Live USB already created and stored away with 4 different distros ready to install.
[04:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> KriShANsiN: easy enough when you got cash, but I work very low income for a homeless shelter XD
[04:09] <pong__> what program did you use to load those usbs?
[04:10] <KriShANsiN> ntzrmtthihu777: sorry. didnt mean it that way
[04:10] <KriShANsiN> pong__: unetbootin
[04:10] <pong__> and they all work?
[04:10] <KriShANsiN> havent tried them all but the 13.04 and 12.04 lts do
[04:10] <pong__> unetbootin is 50 50 it seems
[04:12] <KriShANsiN> i never had aprob with unetbootin , the problem was when i tried to create a live usb from the "Startup Disk Creator" app in Ubuntu. that sucked
[04:13] <KriShANsiN> 100% fail rate with "startup disk creator"
[04:13] <pong__> same here
[04:13] <Dr_willis> i tend to use just 'dd' or the tools from the pendrivelinux site
[04:13] <wilee-nilee> the multisystem usb loader will load ISO till it's full
[04:13] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: because you are lightyears ahead my friend .
[04:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> KriShANsiN: heh, its alright
[04:14] <pong__> multisystem is more reliable than unetbootin it seems
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> I have  32 GIG usb with about 20 ISO's on it
[04:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> I only used unetbootin to make the windows => linux transistion. now I use usb-creator-gtk when I can, or brasero
[04:14] <macwolf74> if it's ubuntu based I use the startup disk creator
[04:15] <pong__> wilee-nilee, why so many?
[04:16] <wilee-nilee> pong__, I have 4 OS, and av and tools in general and my W8 iso on there.
[04:16] <KriShANsiN> wilee-nilee: i want 20 usb's with 20 differnt distros lol
[04:17] <wilee-nilee> KriShANsiN, Not all are OS.
[04:17] <KriShANsiN> wilee-nilee: im being way too silly for support channel rite now gonna chill out and puff smoe medicine :)
[04:19] <KriShANsiN> wilee-nilee: hey was that you that said that you covered your front camera with a piece of tape ?
[04:19] <KriShANsiN> on Unity desktop is there a tweak to disable the fron t camera universally or is it a pc by pc basis?
[04:24] <Dr_willis> pc by pc? or you mean user by user?
[04:24] <KriShANsiN> i mean make kodel specific
[04:24] <KriShANsiN> *model
[04:24] <Dr_willis> remove the modules for the webcams i guess. ;)
[04:25] <Dr_willis> or alter some udev rules to never load them.
[04:25] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: that is what i was looking for you genius
[04:27] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: ok i just googled the how to on disabling webcam modules and it is not going to be easy for someone with no exp in that. but obviously it can be done and that is one way.
[04:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> KriShANsiN: Dr_willis is pretty good :P
[04:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> KriShANsiN: put the modules in the blacklist.conf :P
[04:29] <KriShANsiN> etc / udev rules.d 83-webcam.rules ?
[04:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> its in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[04:29] <KriShANsiN> ntzrmtthihu777: we are going in different directions lol
[04:30] <KriShANsiN> ntzrmtthihu777: i just dont have enough know how to do it yet. but i will store the info and use it later when my skill set permits thanks
[04:31] <CIDR> I have a Nvidia GT 610 and a receiver that supports DTS-HD and True HD.  I'm trying to passthrough DTS-HD but the receiver just flashes DTS-HD on and off and the playback is SUPER slow.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong.  This is in 12.2 on ubuntu 13.04.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
[04:33] <Dr_willis> KriShANsiN,  i dont even see why you need to do this.
[04:34] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: piece of mind, hackers cant open my front camera and watch me in my room lol. maybe this cant be done but i want to 100% sure ya know.
[04:34] <Dr_willis> err,, if someone hacks your linux box.. i imagine they are going to be after stuff other then your webcam
[04:34] <Dr_willis> and its a big IF that they could even do that.
[04:35] <Dr_willis> of course all the webcams i got on my laptops. have a bright blue led that comes on when  they are powered up
[04:35] <Dr_willis> and  i do recall a bios setting to disable them  on 2 of my laptops
[04:36] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: right. but the best guys could disable the led light prior to activating the camera right?
[04:36] <Dr_willis> KriShANsiN,  i doubt it.
[04:36] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: what is a bios setting to diable them? i dont have that i dont think :(
[04:36] <Dr_willis> unless they sneak into your room and use wirecutters
[04:37] <pong__> those would be some serious hackers
[04:37] <Dr_willis> ive seen bios settings to disable various laptop hardware addons. last leptop i had - the cam was flakey.. so i had to disable it.
[04:37] <KriShANsiN> well if they suck in your romm they wouldnt be CYBER ninja they would be "in your bedroom" ninja.
[04:37] <KriShANsiN> *snuck
[04:37] <Dr_willis> so this whole 'hackors getting to my webcam' is a bit on the tinfoil hat paranoid area
[04:38] <Dr_willis> The cashieere at McDonolds is more likely to steal your Credit card # i imagine. ;)
[04:38] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: its tinfoil but the motivation to learn these thing is the key for me. if i am motivated to learn it doesnt matter. and either way i will expand my skill set if i can learn to do these things.
[04:38] <KriShANsiN> that is really my end goal
[04:40] <pong__> what other skills are you learning?
[04:40] <loganlee> hello
[04:41] <KriShANsiN> pong__: what i mean is, 10 years form now we are having coffee, and I say, "the first time i ever learned to edit udev rules was out of tinfoil paranoia, but it motivated me to learn and I did".
[04:41] <braiam> KriShANsiN, use the power only for "good" actions...
[04:41] <loganlee> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMyy4SwfZ3Y
[04:41] <KriShANsiN> braiam: i am benevelont my friend
[04:42] <Dr_willis> learn to edit udev rules.. and they will remove udev and replace it with somthing else.. ;P
[04:42] <Dr_willis> !hal
[04:44] <loganlee> how to remove ubuntu?
[04:45] <KriShANsiN> loganlee: apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop :))))
[04:45] <pong__> gparted, delete the partition
[04:45] <loganlee> KriShANsiN: thank you
[04:45] <jucelio> Hello
[04:46] <jucelio> help
[04:46] <Dr_willis> clairfy what you mean to do loganlee
[04:46] <loganlee> Dr_willis: apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: i thought it was joking sorry
[04:47] <Dr_willis> loganlee,  that will remove the meta-package... and not much else.
[04:47] <Dr_willis> so... what are you trying to do exactly?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> whats the end goal./
[04:47] <Dr_willis> 'remove ubuntu' could be interperted differnt ways
[04:47] <KriShANsiN> Yeah "A LOT" of ways
[04:49] <loganlee> if i install ubuntu on microsoft surface pro and then try to return to windows 8
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Installing ubuntu on one of those MS tablets may be impossible to do.
[04:50] <loganlee> oic
[04:50] <Dr_willis> assuming the hardware even has a  smidge of support in linux
[04:51] <KriShANsiN> yep, thats like trying to install the android os on an iPhone
[04:51] <shodan45> I have a 12.04.2 server install. apt-get upgrade wants to install linux-generic-lts-quantal, but also has linux-image-generic-lts-quantal "kept back". Can someone clear up what's going on?
[04:51] <KriShANsiN> or apple ios on an android really , ipsw wont install
[04:52] <Dr_willis> shodan45,  try an 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:52] <Dr_willis> it should pull in the kernel updates
[04:53] <KriShANsiN> i wonder if the microsoft surfae pro has a .exe program that can emulate Ubuntu?
[04:54] <CIDR> The surface pro a i5.
[04:54] <loganlee> cygwin?
[04:54] <CIDR> It runs a full version of windows 8, so you could easily run vmware, etc...
[04:54] <KriShANsiN> i wonder if the microsoft surfae pro has a .exe program that can emulate Ubuntu?but you cant run linux or mac os apps on windows 7 can you ?
[04:55] <KriShANsiN> CIDR: so vmware can emulate Ubuntu ?
[04:55] <CIDR> No]
[04:55] <CIDR> Vmware can run ubuntu in a virtual machine
[04:55] <tannji> Dr_willis, you around?
[04:55] <DoverMo> i am a virtual machine
[04:56] <Fyodorovna> loganlee, The surface is arm it will not dualboot ubuntu
[04:56] <CIDR> surface pro is an i5
[04:56] <KriShANsiN> CIDR: on the microsoft surface pro ? so you will be virtual machine ubuntu?
[04:56] <DoverMo> Fyodorovna, anything that's arm can still run linux
[04:56] <Dzonis> !list
[04:57] <Fyodorovna> heh I guess so, here's a link loganlee http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-surface-pro
[04:58] <KriShANsiN> for example on iPhones you can run Super Nintendo emulators. so in essence you could build your own windows emulator for a jailbroken i5 iphone 4s and run it ?
[04:58] <benyamin> Hello, i need somebody help for my ubuntu LTS, i just installed lubuntu-desktop and the notif area seems broken, i need help
[04:59] <tannji> Is there a mod present, or one of the knowledgeable regulars who is here a lot?
[04:59] <KriShANsiN> tannji: Dr willis just stepped out not sure but just wait.
[04:59] <histo> tannji: What is your question?
[04:59] <tannji> wilee-nilee,  you're here a lot right?
[04:59] <DoverMo> benyamin, I don't know anything about that, but do you have notify-osd installed?
[05:00] <msdaisy> tannji: just ask your question
[05:00] <wilee-nilee> tannji, To mujch, however the channel works with you stating the problem to the channel.
[05:00] <benyamin> trying find :)
[05:00] <wilee-nilee> much*
[05:00] <histo> tannji: also why are you installing the catalyst driver manually instead of using the one in the repos?
[05:00] <tannji> I finally got AMD 6750HD running in 13.04, found a new guide that is better, with tips I havent seen before, wanted to share the link with someone who can do something with it
[05:00] <wilee-nilee> msdaisy, Hey.
[05:00] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[05:00] <benyamin> i don;t know
[05:01] <msdaisy> wilee-nilee: hiya ;)
[05:01] <histo> tannji: tell ubottu about it
[05:01] <tannji> the one in the repos is mostly broken for a very large number of people in 13.04
[05:02] <tannji> histo,  thanks... how do I do that?
[05:02] <histo> !help | tannji
[05:02] <tannji> I havent used IRC for a lot of years, lol
[05:02] <histo> tannji: hold on let me get the right trigger
[05:02] <CIDR> I have a Nvidia GT 610 and a receiver that supports DTS-HD and True HD.  I'm trying to passthrough DTS-HD but the receiver just flashes DTS-HD on and off and the playback is SUPER slow.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong.  This is in 12.2 on ubuntu 13.04.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
[05:03] <histo> !usage | tannji
[05:04] <histo> tannji: basically /msg ubottu !factoid is blah blah...
[05:04] <tannji> histo,   thanks, can probably accomplish that  = )
[05:05] <KriShANsiN> oh man, looks like my iPhone days are over. Android is merging their support with liux kernel to support ubuntu or a version of chroot. time to go shopping for new A droid
[05:05] <DoverMo> benyamin, look in synaptics
[05:07] <pong__> KriShANsiN, ubuntu phone you mean?
[05:07] <KriShANsiN> what is the best laptop to run Ubuntu on in the 1k range? are lenovo's good?
[05:07] <KriShANsiN> pong__: Ubuntu phone? what ? dont make me go crazy.. is it real?
[05:07] <histo> KriShANsiN: system76 laptops come running ubuntu
[05:07] <Dr_willis> these days a $1000 laptop is a rather high end laptop
[05:07] <histo> !phone | KriShANsiN
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Its a little hard to justify a $1000 laptop from what ive seen.
[05:08] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, if it has a gaming gpu D:
[05:08] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: im in thailand so i will have to look around. best to build my own tower machine and have these Ubuntu phone for my mobile life
[05:09] <Dr_willis> DoverMo,  thats even hard to justify really.
[05:09] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: laptop days are over.
[05:09] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, not if you like gaming
[05:09] <pong__> laptops are doing fine
[05:09] <rypervenche> I refuse to use a tablet. I'm laptop all the way.
[05:09] <Dr_willis> the whole 'high end gaming' market seems to be in a bit of a lull.
[05:09] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, like, ofc, 400$ can get you a plently powerful gaming pc, but it's not portable
[05:10] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: i will asseble my own high powered tower here. and have the ubuntu phone for going mobile i guess, and a android and my 5 iPhones i already have.
[05:10] <CIDR> I love my 17" mbp  I want a laptop with a high res screen, screen real estate and a decent keyboard
[05:10] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: these young kids in thailand build these towers for gaming that look cool with high powered fans in them and like 16 RAM or whatever.
[05:11] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, geforce titan, 1000$, 4.5Teraflops. buy one D:
[05:11] <pong__> there are laptop deals for around 300 that would be fine for ubuntu
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I had a laptop with a huge screen a year+ ago.. sold it to my brother.. hes still using it as his main gaming machine.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> DoverMo,   i dont even know of any games that would need that much stuff honestly.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> but i havent bought any 'high dollar' games in some months.
[05:12] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, xD. am joking
[05:12] <reisio> KriShANsiN: pics
[05:13] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: if i want to have one of these gaming shops here in Thailand build me a high powered tower comp, will i have any problems installing Ubuntu on them ? I mean is there any type of manufacturer of drive or motherboard that i have to avoid or is it cool?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> my current gameing rig is almost 2 years old. off the shelf when i got it.   does Skyrim and the other 'high end' games i have fine. true not at the Max settings.. but  playable.
[05:13] <reisio> KriShANsiN: rare types
[05:13] <Dr_willis> KriShANsiN,  its all about the chipsets. stick to the main brands.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> biggest issues are normally the video and wifi cards.
[05:14] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: so the only thing i have to be concerned about is what chip set(graphics chip) that i am getting?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> both of which are rather trivial to change out.
[05:14] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, cool o3o
[05:14] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: ok
[05:14] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: so wi fi card and chip set
[05:14] <Dr_willis> cutting edge 'just released last month' hardware will tend to be more problematic then hardware that has been out for 6+ mo.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> you can get wifi  cards that work out of the box. - i have several usb dongles that are just plug and go.
[05:15] <KriShANsiN> so i want tested and stable chip sets and wi fi cards
[05:15] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, yeah. and Nvidia has been really bad about supporting the new 3.9/3.10 kernels
[05:15] <KriShANsiN> DoverMo: so avoid nVidia?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Nvidia and ATI/AMD both have been bad...
[05:15] <KriShANsiN> what chip sets do i want the
[05:15] <KriShANsiN> then
[05:15] <reisio> 'really bad' is probably not the best way to put it
[05:15] <Dr_willis> KriShANsiN,  if you want the top gpu powar.. its going to be hard to avoide Nvidia or Ati.
[05:16] <tannji> !AMD 13.6
[05:16] <DoverMo> Dr_willis, though ati has had some more improvements, versus nvidia D:
[05:16] <DoverMo> wait is this relevent?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> both companies have  bad histories.. and  known to make promises in the past they then forget a week later.
[05:16] <DoverMo> this seems like offtopic convo
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I ten to stick to Nvidia. but i get  the 'value' cards.. not cutting edge
[05:17] <KriShANsiN> DoverMo: well i am asking about installing Ubuntu on a new computer and what hardware i should be looking for or avoiding.
[05:18] <pong__> some intel cpu is more compatible than amd, but I haven't seen that
[05:18] <tannji> Kepler chips from nVidia have pretty bad video tearing atm with no acknowledgement or fix from nVidia...  been going on for at leat a year now
[05:18] <pong__> some say
[05:18] <Dr_willis> you need to decide on your end goal for the pc and your budget
[05:19] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: what i will do is, explore my local market, get some options and then return to ask channel again.
[05:19] <tannji> If you dont mind pre GTX 600 video, go nVidia. if you dont mind fighting AMD drivers tooth and nail for 4 months go AMD.
[05:20] <DoverMo> KriShANsiN, yeah, ATI would be a better choice for linux gpu, as long as you dont have to use catalyst. Ati drivers are working properly for 3.9 and 3.10
[05:20] <Dr_willis> root canal vs  toenail removal. ;)
[05:20] <tannji> KriShANsiN,  are you going to do any AAA gaming on this machine?
[05:21] <KriShANsiN> tannji: not sure. just want a lot of RAm cuz i never have had that and it feels sexy. but i just want something i can learn on and can keep up with a heavy load if i get going.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> 16gb is not really a 'lot of ram' these days. :)
[05:21] <KriShANsiN> Dr_willis: really?
[05:22] <tannji> well...  you can do all that without putting a beastly vid card in.  if you are going to play popular mainstream games, it gets complicated
[05:22] <Dr_willis> my 2 yr old pc has 8gb.. and could go up to 16gb if i wanted to spend another like $70 i think
[05:22] <DoverMo> you should get a 3tb external harddrive and use it as swap (joking)
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Swap on a NFS share is better DoverMo  ;P
[05:22] <tannji> lol, some gaming vid cards have 4gigs ram these days
[05:22] <Dr_willis> BEST thing for a speed boost these days is using a SSD  for your system hd.
[05:22] <KriShANsiN> tannji: so to answer that then no. i dont want beastly vid card. no serious gaming. Eve online or whatever. no.
[05:23] <pong__> those are power hungry cards
[05:23] <wilee-nilee> +1 on the ssd that s for sure
[05:23] <DoverMo> +1 ssd
[05:23] <Dr_willis> then its whatever your budget can allow. ssd's are not overly pricey any more either
[05:23] <tannji> KriShANsiN,  Great!   lol, then get a motherboard with latest Intel IGP, leaving available PCIe slot for later upgrade, and life will be grand
[05:23] <Dr_willis> and linux is light on the HD sizes needed compared to other os's
[05:24] <Dr_willis> be sure to get a goodly sized power supply. splurge on that if you are planning on upgrading the box.
[05:24] <KriShANsiN> tannji: with how much ram? 24?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> extra $30 there will save big hassles 2 years from now
[05:24] <tannji> LOL....  once you go SSD on linux, you start looking for hobbies that require large hard drives
[05:24] <Dr_willis> external 4TB usb hds :P
[05:24] <KriShANsiN> tannji:  i do want to do video editing and i wnt to do website managment
[05:25] <tannji> even 16 gb ram is overkill unless you can tell me a specific app you use now that needs that much
[05:25] <KriShANsiN> tannji:  i will be editing video and upoadning to squarespace website alot
[05:25] <Dr_willis> video editing is a broad topic. :)
[05:25] <tannji> lol
[05:25] <aeon-ltd> 200 tabs of youtube
[05:25] <tannji> lmao
[05:25] <Dr_willis> i 'video edit' - i convert the wifes VCR tapes to video files using a $12 capture card.
[05:26] <tannji> I am running 8 gb atm, and that will run multiple instances of Chrome with many tabs each pretty well
[05:26] <Dr_willis> 8gb seems plenty here also.
[05:26] <aeon-ltd> it's not about specfic apps, it's about how much you need to be running concurrently
[05:26] <Dr_willis> but16gb sould only be a bit more i imagine
[05:26] <KriShANsiN> so its not necessarily the RAm that i need but a SSD hard drive and the mother board Intel IGP ?
[05:26] <tannji> I had 16 gb, but loaned 8 to a buddy in great need... honestly havent noticed a difference... but havent tasked the machine much either
[05:27] <aeon-ltd> 4 slots, go for 2x4gb the first time round 1333mhz then buy the next 8 if you saturate the first 8
[05:27] <wheatthin> is this #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic?
[05:27] <wheatthin> lol
[05:27] <poee> why does ubuntu use an old version of gnome
[05:28] <aeon-ltd> poee: which version of ubuntu are you on?
[05:28] <tannji> newegg has 8gb sticks on sale right now, as well as Amazon....  get a board with 4 slots and throw your 16 in....  get 2 SSD drives and a TB+ hard disk
[05:28] <KriShANsiN> just you guys know i AM taking screenshots so that when i do build this comp your advice will not go unheeded
[05:28] <wheatthin> tannji, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:28] <poee> aeon-ltd, 13.04
[05:28] <tannji> wheatt....  these are hardware specs to properly run Ubuntu!   = )
[05:28] <wheatthin> not really.
[05:29] <aeon-ltd> poee: you should have unity no?
[05:29] <aeon-ltd> not gnome desktop
[05:29] <pong__> an irc client will log the chat
[05:29] <poee> I do have unity, but I want to install gnome shell extensions.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !latest
[05:30] <aeon-ltd> if the official repos have a old version of gnome then you may need a ppa or  have to compile to get the latest
[05:30] <wilee-nilee> poee, The extensions are for the shell only
[05:30] <Dr_willis> there are gnome ppa's for the latest gnome for 13.04 i belive.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> earlier ubuntus may not  be as easy to upgrade to the latest gnome
[05:31] <poee> ok great. I ll look up the ppa's
[05:31] <poee> !nounity
[05:32] <Dr_willis> latest gnome-shell has its own official gnome-2 look
[05:32] <wheatthin> called gnome classic
[05:32] <Dr_willis> so those fallback modes may be a thing of the past soon.
[05:33] <poee> yes gnome classic is good
[05:33] <Dr_willis> never really used it.. never really wanted it. ;)
[05:33] <histo> Dr_willis: it's still using compositing though isn't it?
[05:33] <poee> how does KDE compare to gnome?
[05:33] <histo> !best | poee
[05:34] <Dr_willis> poee,  radically differnt design goals.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> like comparing a Jeep to a Convertable ;P
[05:34] <poee> haha right
[05:34] <poee> I ll probably look up kde
[05:34] <Dr_willis> you can get sunburnt in both....
[05:34] <Dr_willis> its trivial to install both and try them out. the joy of linux
[05:35] <Dr_willis> default kde setup is a bit confuseing at the start.. but i havent really used kde in ages.
[05:35] <poee> <3 linux
[05:35] <Dr_willis> i tend to start turning off everthing on the default kde desktop
[05:35] <poee> so I install the package kubuntu-desktop right?
[05:35] <wilee-nilee> never like kde
[05:35] <wilee-nilee> liked
[05:36] <Dr_willis> poee,  yep.
[05:36] <pong__> Dr_Willis, what desktop manager do you use?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> pong__,  i tend to just use Unity
[05:36] <Dr_willis> with very little customization at all.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> a few extra indicator applets is about all.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> or lubuntu/lxde on my low end machines
[05:37] <Giwrgaras> it says that i am not the owner on my own pc and i can not change the file
[05:37] <Giwrgaras> how do i change that
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  give us details as to what you are changeing..
[05:38] <Dr_willis> !permissions
[05:38] <Giwrgaras> trying to put something in my python folder
[05:38] <Dr_willis> thats not very detailed.. WHICH folder exactly?
[05:38] <poee> Giwrgaras, try sudo nautilus?
[05:38] <Giwrgaras> in a folder in usr / lib / python
[05:38] <Giwrgaras> what is that
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  you need root/sudo Rights to alter SYSTEM directories and files
[05:38] <poee> run nautilus as root
[05:39] <histo> Giwrgaras: /usr/lib/python  ?
[05:39] <Giwrgaras> ja
[05:39] <Giwrgaras> yeah
[05:39] <histo> Giwrgaras: gksu nautilus    "be carefull"
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !sudo | Giwrgaras
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  what are you putting in there?
[05:39] <Giwrgaras> some modules of mine
[05:39] <histo> Giwrgaras: or you could sudo cp somefile /usr/lib/python
[05:40] <pong__> I like gnome because it's familiar, but may give unity another try
[05:40] <Dr_willis> pong__,  windows 95 was familer also. ;)
[05:40] <Giwrgaras> so what is quicker, nautilus or sudo copy this to that
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  most of us could have done the sudo command in the time it took you to ask...
[05:41] <Dr_willis> it pays to learn shell basics.
[05:41] <Giwrgaras> !sudo
[05:48] <Giwrgaras> can you type how to copy with sudo a file from one place \user\downloads to \usr\lib\python32
[05:50] <wheatthin> Giwrgaras, you mean copy?
[05:50] <Giwrgaras> yes
[05:51] <wheatthin> using 'sudo cp <filename> <destination>' without quotes
[05:51] <Dr_willis> bash basics  - use a full path when in doubt.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> sudo cp /from/here/file  /to/there/file
[05:51] <Dr_willis> and  i think you are using the wrong /  ;)
[05:51] <wheatthin> well yeah.. I figured it was a given
[05:52] <wheatthin> brb
[05:52] <Giwrgaras> sudo cp /from/here 'space' /to/there ?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  think about it.. if you DONT use a space.. how is it going to know  'from' to 'where' ?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> cp --help     and man cp , will also give details of the copy command.
[05:53] <Flannel> Giwrgaras: Also, tab complete is your friend.  and \ isn't a path separator, it's an escape character.
[05:53] <swornstar> Hello, I am trying to play a video file over LAN from a NAS 320Gm Hard drive and the video will not play
[05:53] <Dr_willis> it MAY be very worth while to spend 20 min reading some bash starter guides befor you make a typo and trash stuff.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  more details, as to how its shares/over the lan.. and what kind of file, and player... and whats it is not doing exactly..
[05:54] <Giwrgaras> i can make it i used cmd in windows also but the thing is, i have it in my other hd and its a long path
[05:54] <Giwrgaras> and also in windows there is the full path in the window above
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  cd to where the file is at...
[05:55] <Giwrgaras> i cannot see the full path anywhere there
[05:55] <Giwrgaras> yeah ok dir cd pwd ive seen that
[05:55] <Quest> my skype is running fine but I cant acces some websites (but can access some others). the browser says  cannot reach the website. This is typically caused by network issues, but can also be the result of a misconfigured firewall or proxy server..    how to know which dns is skype using so I can set the same dns to surf?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> then you just use the file name. ;) saves half the typeing
[05:55] <Giwrgaras> just the filename?
[05:55] <swornstar> Anytype of video file and I'm trying to open it in VLC
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  seriously, its worth the 20 min reading a bash tutorial or 2
[05:56] <Dr_willis> !cli
[05:56] <Dr_willis> cp filename /path/to/go/to/newname
[05:56] <Giwrgaras> sudo
[05:56] <Giwrgaras> at first
[05:56] <Giwrgaras> ?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  and  if you copy the file to your local system/home first does it work?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Giwrgaras,  again.. IF you are altering system directories.. you MUST use sudo as needed
[05:57] <Dr_willis> that rule still applies. ;)
[05:57] <Dr_willis> or gain root rights in some other way
[05:57] <Giwrgaras> ok sudo is the root and i am not the root user
[05:57] <Giwrgaras> or something like that i read before
[05:57] <swornstar> well it worked when i plugged the hard drive into the computer
[05:58] <Giwrgaras> if i am in a folder, is there any way to see the path of the folder?
[05:58] <Giwrgaras> i dont see anything in properties
[05:58] <Giwrgaras> oh location
[05:58] <Giwrgaras> sorry
[05:58] <cbryant> Giwrgaras: the tab key is powerful is linux.... my favorite key.....
[05:58] <Giwrgaras> :)
[05:58] <Giwrgaras> ok
[05:58] <Giwrgaras> 2nd day ill get used to it
[05:59] <fasdf> does the disk utilities mark bad sectors  /
[05:59] <cbryant> Giwrgaras: Like everyone said search google linux basics, bash basics.... find a good tutorial, reserve more technical questions for irc
[06:00] <Dr_willis> file manager has ctrl-l to show the path to the directory
[06:00] <Dr_willis> or drag/drop a folder into a terminal window ;)
[06:00] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  try copying the file from the NAS to the local hd and see if it plays.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  also running  vlc from a terminal will let you see any errors it may be spitting out about the file.
[06:01] <fasdf> does the smart test mark bad sector ? what is conveyance ?
[06:01] <swornstar> i tried with other video players but neither of them work
[06:03] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  and how is the NAS shareing the directory/files? tried what exactly? playing them locally? or over the nas?
[06:04] <Giwrgaras> indeed the tab is great
[06:04] <Giwrgaras> double tab and it shows the whole directory
[06:04] <swornstar> I have a external hard driver plugged imto my modem which is then connected to my computer via LAN
[06:04] <fasdf> i tought it was a easy question
[06:04] <swornstar> the hard drive is mounted
[06:05] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  and how it is being shared? Samba? NFS? SSHFS?
[06:05] <cbryant> Giwrgaras: :)
[06:05] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  i play videos over samba shares all the time with very few issues..
[06:06] <dank101> i have 2 questions
[06:06] <dank101> first
[06:06] <swornstar> I don't know, I just plugged it in and clicked a button in the settings in the modem, how do i find that out?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> swornstar,  if the same video file plays from the local drive, but not from the nas 'share' then that points to some samba, or nas quirk.
[06:06] <dank101> is there a spotify plugin for rythmbox with detailed installation instructions
[06:06] <Dr_willis> how are you even accessing the nas swornstar ?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/135072/how-to-install-rhythmbox-spotify-plugin
[06:07] <Dr_willis> dosent look good from that info dank101
[06:08] <dank101> theres a new one
[06:08] <swornstar> I went to "Network" in the file manager and then went into it there
[06:08] <dank101> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CD4QFjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.gnome.org%2Farchives%2Frhythmbox-devel%2F2012-October%2Fmsg00004.html&ei=W-LHUb2zFMHi4AP79oCoDA&usg=AFQjCNFVPcJu81sPzsSTxUO5_8MHQ1rwxA&sig2=5A7_KHZXoTJkJbvr6XrPuA&bvm=bv.48293060,d.dmg
[06:08] <dank101> sorry for huge link lol
[06:09] <dank101> erm nvm
[06:09] <dank101> this link
[06:09] <dank101> https://github.com/allquixotic/rhythmbox-spotify
[06:09] <Dr_willis> dank101,  and when was it last updated?
[06:09] <dank101> 8 months ago
[06:10] <Dr_willis> thats not a great sign either.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> at least it wasent 2+ yrs ago  like another i saw
[06:10] <dank101> yeah :/
[06:10] <dank101> yeah i like rythmbox for all my musical needs
[06:11] <HeyM-Cld> Hey, what cmd opens things in terminal?
[06:11] <dank101> ./(filename)
[06:11] <dank101> or app name
[06:11] <Dr_willis> depends on what you mean by 'open' also
[06:12] <HeyM-Cld> A program
[06:12] <Dr_willis>  current directory ./thethingsname
[06:12] <Dr_willis> in the path. just type its name
[06:12] <HeyM-Cld> Because its not in the little Start thing
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Not everything has or needs a icon in the launcher. ;)
[06:12] <dank101> what is the program
[06:12] <dank101> yeah
[06:13] <HeyM-Cld> irssi
[06:13] <Dr_willis> irssi is a CLI  irc client.
[06:13] <dank101> *cough*illumiationsoftwarecreator*cough*
[06:13] <HeyM-Cld> yes
[06:13] <Dr_willis> how did you install irssi?
[06:13] <dank101> type irssi in terminal
[06:13] <HeyM-Cld> spt-get
[06:13] <HeyM-Cld> apt*
[06:13] <Dr_willis> then its in the default paths...
[06:13] <Dr_willis> just type irssi. and be sure to read its docs at its homepage.
[06:14] <dank101> step one: type irssi in terminal
[06:14] <Dr_willis> I tend to use weechat over irssi for the most part these days
[06:14] <dank101> step two: ???
[06:14] <dank101> step three: PROFIT!
[06:14] <Dr_willis> step 2 - read the irssi docs when you realize you have no idea how to use irssi   ;P
[06:14] <HeyM-Cld> How do you set the network?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> step 3 - go back to xchat
[06:14] <dank101> (optional)
[06:14] <pong__>   why weechat over xchat?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> he skipped step 2...
[06:15] <Dr_willis> weechat has a nicer feature set. and is cli only.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> and is more scriptable in many ways
[06:15] <Dr_willis> weechat even has its own 'script package manager' system.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> and smart filters for parts/joins/quits and other  channel filling cruft
[06:16] <chunkyhead> hey guys! how do i record everything which comes on the terminal? like i can easily do "> filename" on the terminal but then i can't input anything, how to make it record the input as well?
[06:16] <Dr_willis> chunkyhead,  check out 'typescript'  i belive
[06:17] <chunkyhead> that's a package? Dr_willis
[06:17] <Dr_willis> !find typescript
[06:17] <Dr_willis> or was it just 'script' its an OLD OLD command been in use for decades
[06:17] <Dr_willis> recordes everything in the shell session
[06:17] <chunkyhead> !find script
[06:18] <Dr_willis> oh its just 'script' ;)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> !find script
[06:18] <Dr_willis> http://techno-how.orgfree.com/index.php/more-about-joomla/75-how-to-record-your-linux-shell-session-.html
[06:18] <chunkyhead> i just did that lol
[06:18] <chunkyhead> let me see
[06:18] <chunkyhead> thanks :) Dr_willis
[06:19] <hdon> hi all :) on unity, how do i change the "tap ALT" shortcut? it's really bothering me, it keeps appearing when i don't mean for it to.
[06:20] <hdon> actually.. what does this even do? it says enter command, but it also seems to highlight the icon of my currently active application. didn't notice the icon before now, so i assumed it was to run a command from the shell.
[06:21] <hdon> "gksu echo" did nothing so i assume it is not a shell command
[06:30] <Senor> does top command list all of the running process ?
[06:31] <Kartagis> yes Senor
[06:31] <Kartagis> what is the path to the smb shares connected via nautilus?
[06:32] <xcaliber178> Hi. So I have old computer with a 200GB HDD and I want to dual-boot Mint and Ubuntu 12.04. Do-able? Easy? Any pointers?
[06:33] <cristian_c> Hi
[06:33] <hdon> Kartagis, smb:/// ?
[06:33] <cristian_c> I've installed qt4-qtconfig
[06:34] <Senor> Kartagis: Does ps -ef do the same thing?
[06:34] <cristian_c> If I open the tool and I edit the font settings, clicking on File->Save, this string appears in the statusbar: 'Saved changes.'
[06:34] <cristian_c> but if I close and reopen the tool, there are not the new settings anymore
[06:34] <cristian_c> How can I solve it?
[06:34] <Kartagis> hdon: filesystem path I mean?
[06:34] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[06:34] <hdon> Kartagis, oh, i don't know that. back when i was really familiar with samba was before fuse became popular :P
[06:35] <Kartagis> Senor: yea, but top or htop gives you realtime data
[06:35] <hdon> Kartagis, i didn't even know it was mounted on the filesystem
[06:35] <maxvi> hi everyone! how can I change keyyboard backlight from terminal?
[06:36] <Kartagis> hdon: on 12.04, it was .gvfs but that doesn't exist on 13.04
[06:36] <maxvi> my fn keys work in unity but they don't work in i3 manager (
[06:36] <hdon> Kartagis, i'm on 12.04, and you're correct :) i didn't know about this!
[06:36] <hdon> Kartagis, i hope you find the answer to your problem Kartagis, maybe google for "gvfs gone" ubuntu
[06:38] <xcaliber178> Hi. So I have old computer with a 200GB HDD and I want to dual-boot Mint and Ubuntu 12.04. Do-able? Easy? Any pointers?
[06:38] <chunkyhead> when i type sudo shutdown now it gives me some dbus errors and is stuck there, until i press ctrl+alt+delete after which it restarts. will my computer ever shutdown? HELP!
[06:40] <deanrock0> xcaliber178: install Mint, and after that Ubuntu ... or the other way around - dual boot should automatically work
[06:41] <xcaliber178> alright cool. should I just do standard partitioning for each os?
[06:41] <xcaliber178> nothing fancy?
[06:41] <macwolf74> I'd make the partitions first and install the OS'es on them
[06:41] <macwolf74> but nothing fancy
[06:42] <xcaliber178> alright. seems simple
[06:43] <xcaliber178> should i just split the drive? 100GB for each os?
[06:43] <macwolf74> if you like
[06:44] <xcaliber178> i meant to ask, does one os (mint or ubuntu 12.04) need more space than the other?
[06:45] <macwolf74> I believe mint needs like a GB or two more
[06:45] <macwolf74> than ubuntu
[06:45] <macwolf74> but over 8GB is plenty of space
[06:45] <xcaliber178> alright, that wont be an issue then
[06:46] <aeon-ltd> xcaliber178 that will only vary by a few hundred MBs at the most. full DE linux distros tend to be roughly the same size. it may be more for mint because of pre added plugins etc as opposed to ubuntu's pure open source
[06:48] <xcaliber178> alright guys, thanks for the help. im off to bed
[07:14] <Niggar_Babar> f
[07:14] <Niggar_Babar> hi
[07:15] <Niggar_Babar> is ubuntu some kindof condom?
[07:15] <coderhut> hi, i am new to linux commands. I am getting this error while accessing cronjobs trough putty http://pastie.org/8074100
[07:15] <wilee-nilee> !ops | Niggar_Babar
[07:15] <Niggar_Babar> i have 2 dicks can ubuntu fit with it ?
[07:16] <Niggar_Babar> why the mother fuck did you kick me fucker?
[07:16] <Niggar_Babar> i want help here
[07:21] <Alive> Hello people. So I finally decided to give upgrading my oneirc to whatever it upgrades to. In my experience upgrades are never without glitches. But I thought lets give it the benefit of the doubt.
[07:22] <cbryant> Alive: Glad to know you got everything working
[07:22] <Alive> Now after the opgrade from oneiric ( to whatever ) my mouse is not working. I cant even use my hotkeys. I can barely do anyting the screen resolution seems wrong
[07:22] <Alive> what now ?
[07:23] <ikonia> Alive: is the upgrade progressing ?
[07:24] <Alive> ikonia the upgrade is complete.
[07:24] <Alive> Now everything is a mess.
[07:24] <Alive> Even my keyboard seems to work wrong.
[07:24] <ikonia> please do better than "work  wrong"
[07:25] <ikonia> explain your issues and address them one by one
[07:25] <Alive> I managed to open  term but cant even get the focus on the terms.
[07:25] <Alive> what is the term command to configure the window system for gnome ?
[07:25] <ikonia> there isn't one
[07:26] <ikonia> why don't you explain each problem and try to address them
[07:26] <cbryant> Alive: in reference to your resolution issue, have you attempting to change manually or upgrade graphic driver manually?
[07:26] <cbryant> attempted*
[07:27] <Alive> I allowed a complete web upgrade from oneiric to whatever it upgrades to
[07:27] <Alive> it completed.
[07:27] <ikonia> this is bad - you don't even known what releases it's upgraded to
[07:27] <wilee-nilee> 12.04
[07:28] <A1Recon> Howdo I disable guest login??
[07:29] <cbryant> A1Recon: are you using default LightDM
[07:30] <A1Recon> cbryant: LightDM??
[07:30] <cbryant> A1Recon: if so edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[07:30] <A1Recon> I dont think I am using LightDM
[07:31] <cbryant> are you using Gdm
[07:32] <A1Recon> Ubuntu 13.04 Unity
[07:32] <A1Recon> Raring Ringtail
[07:32] <mob001> HI, my ubuntu 12.04 Laptop is slow, when at booting time, shutdown time, how to improve the fastness, pls hlep me on this.
[07:32] <A1Recon> cbryant: Yup its LightDM. Thanks!!
[07:33] <cbryant> A1Recon: np
[07:45] <Hello> shared folders
[07:45] <Hello> ??
[07:46] <cbryant> Hello: Whats your questions
[07:46] <ikonia> Hello: helps if you aske a question rather than just saying random words
[08:00] <steinchen> hello
[08:00] <Castling> video q:  i noticed immediately that video quality in vlc and even youtube is far superior to the same video running in the same player in Win7.  Why is this?
[08:01] <steinchen> got a q about libpuzzle - isit possible to define the threshold in php? like in shell with '-E'
[08:03] <Hello_> Anybody know virtualbox ?.
[08:04] <GrygrFlzr> I just livebooted ubuntu on a laptop and the screen is a bunch of colors, moving the mouse affects what colors are on the screen...
[08:04] <ikonia> Hello_: what is your question
hw to share folder on ubuntu host on windows-xp guest  ?
hw to share folder in ubuntu host on windows-xp guest  ?
[08:06] <ikonia> Hello_: same way as if they are not on virtual box - just a network file share such as samba
[08:08] <Hello_> ikonia::do i need to provide any ipadress for SAMBA?
[08:08] <ikonia> Hello_: yes, or a resolvable hostname
[08:09] <Hello_> do u have a link or document regarding this .. plz provide
[08:09] <ikonia> !samba | Hello_
[08:09] <steinchen> Hello_,  this may help https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=15868
[08:11] <freesusao> !nounity
[08:13] <Hello_> steinche_ my Guest is Windows............ I think that doc is for Linux guests...............
[08:15] <steinchen> http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders
[08:15] <steinchen> google isnt too hard to use
[08:16] <Hello_> steinche_ You seems right..
[08:16] <SKYLAKE-10nm> .*
[08:16] <steinchen> anyone familar with libpuzzle? pls read above q
[08:17] <Beholdersan> hello people! Can anyone help me with proper setting of vlans in NM?
[08:17] <Beholdersan> or at least point me in the direction of proper docs
[08:18] <Beholdersan> google said to me that it is not implemented or that is is implemented but somehow in a strange way
[08:18] <Hello_> ikonia_ What doc you refereing me ?
[08:19] <Hello_> I am not on two machines ...
[08:19] <Hello_>  <ikonia>... Am talking about virtualisation..
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> Beholdersan: maybe in ##networking
[08:22] <cowboybebop> Need some help. Brother booted a live cd linux on his uefi laptop. Now, when we start the computer it says "no bootabe devices found". Do I have to repair the mbr?
[08:23] <cowboybebop> He used win 32 disk imager to put the iso onto the usb
[08:23] <cowboybebop> (original boot is windows 7)
[08:24] <GrygrFlzr> I just live booted ubuntu and the screen renders colors that change when I move the mouse. The booting screen (purple with guy and keyboard) renders fine. ISO is definitely not corrupt. Any boot options that might fix it? Graphics is purely integrated
[08:28] <Hello_> steinchen_     VBoxManage sharedfolder add "VM name" --name "sharename" --hostpath "C:\test"
[08:29] <Hello_> IS sharefolder a keyword ?
[08:30] <Hello_> steinchen_ Anyhw tnx..
[08:32] <musca> Hello_:  "C:\test" looks like a widowspath, but your host is ubuntu, i guess?
[08:32] <Hello_> musca_ Yes Host::UBUNTU Guest :: WindowsXP
[08:33] <ichat> can anyone help me  what is going on with ubuntu gnome...    in short   i configered some gnome extentions,  than i  purged firefox    and install google chrome,  than i wanted to ad one more extention and nothing
[08:33] <ichat> reinstalled firefox (that worked before) also nothing
[08:33] <ikonia> ichat: you've not asked a question
[08:33] <ikonia> what do you mean "nothing"
[08:33] <Beholdersan> ActionParsnip, thank you I'll go and ask there
[08:34] <ichat> ikonia,  - the site doesnt ask permission to allow calling for the intergration plugin and  tricking the on of buttons dont work anymore
[08:34] <meoet> 700kB hd transfer rate is slow ?
[08:35] <ikonia> ichat: these sounds like plugin issues
[08:35] <meoet> what's your hd transfer rate ?
[08:35] <ikonia> ichat: or browser issues, so not sure why you are asking about gnome
[08:35] <musca> Hello_:  --hostpath would be something like  /path/on/host/to/sharedfolder
[08:35] <ichat> ikonia,  - because it it sthe  extentions.gnome.org website
[08:36] <ichat> i can just no longer enable or disbale new extentions via it
[08:36] <steinchen> ok got it
[08:36] <ikonia> ichat: isn't that gor gnome shell ?
[08:36] <ichat> ikonia,  yes
[08:36] <ikonia> ichat: ubuntu doesn't use gnome-shell
[08:38] <meoet> how long does gparted takes to scan all drives ? why mine still scanning after 10 mins
[08:39] <kostkon> meoet, secs
[08:40] <meoet> so what's the problem ? what causing it scan and scan ?
[08:40] <jsueeka> guys if i install the windows installer (wubi), will it allow me to dual boot?
[08:40] <ikonia> jsueeka: it will
[08:41] <jsueeka> and that's the default option? there's no risk of me losing my windows setup?
[08:42] <Ben64> wubi is not like a "real" installation, its in a file in windows
[08:42] <Ben64> not recommended for long term usa
[08:42] <Ben64> use*
[08:42] <jsueeka> are the speed differences dramatic? and do i have the option of dual booting for better performance?
[08:43] <Hello_> <steinchen, musca>    VBoxManage sharedfolder add "VM name" --name "sharename" --hostpath "C:\test".....................................What is this VM name represents ???
[08:43] <Ben64> it is slower, for a true dual boot you would need to install from the cd/dvd/usb
[08:43] <jsueeka> right thanks
[08:45] <chunkyhead> testing
[08:45] <chunkyhead> what is my username can someone just prompt?
[08:45] <ikonia> chunkyhead:
[08:45] <chunkyhead> thanks! :D
[08:45] <DJones> chunkyhead: Your nick is chunkyhead
[08:46] <ichat> right :P
[08:46] <meoet> so what's the problem ? what causing gparted to scan endlessly
[08:47] <pyasi> hi guys i have a problem with my live cd plz help
[08:47] <DJones> !details | pyasi
[08:47] <steinchen> Hello_, the name of your VM you want to modify
[08:47] <banjo_> hi
[08:47] <thekkid> hi
[08:48] <steinchen> Hello_, thus you might want to use menu instead of shell commands
[08:49] <musca> Hello_: vboxmanage list vms
[08:49] <Hello_> MENU.. Dialogue Box ? I mean what would be  the extention .. (.vdi or .vbox)
[08:49] <ikonia> root
[08:50] <ikonia> oops
[08:50] <Hello_> musca ....ok
[08:54] <musca> Hello_: why do you want command line interface (cli)? you can try gui with: virtualbox
[08:55] <Hello_> musca, It did not work.. I mean, i did not  see the HOST shared folder in my Guest windows....
[08:56] <prahlad> how trivial it is to install gnome3-shell on my ubuntu 13.04 (amd64 version)?
[08:56] <prahlad> is it just "apt-get install" or are there anything else to take care of ?
[08:56] <auronandace> prahlad: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[08:57] <dalinou> hello, i'm trying to add an application to my samsung player one through an USB cable, but i don't know how to do that; could someone help me please?
[08:57] <prahlad> I have lots of stuff like python, java, virtualbox, etc. gnome3 will be stable with that ?
[08:58] <auronandace> prahlad: of course it will
[08:58] <musca> Hello_:  net use x: \\vboxsrv\sharename
[08:58] <tones> what is the difference between gnome shell and gnome desktop?
[08:58] <ichat> prahlad>  if you want gnome 3 + stable than  pick debian  rather than buntu
[08:58] <Hello_> musca, Error 53 occured
[08:58] <musca> Hello_: why do you want command line interface (cli)? you can try gui with: virtualbox
[08:58] <prahlad> ichat: you mean use the debian repository? or install debian from scratch ?
[08:59] <Hello_> musca, It did not work.. I mean, i did not  see the HOST shared folder in my Guest windows....
[08:59] <ichat> prahlad,  from scratch
[08:59] <musca> Hello_: why do you want command line interface (cli)? you can try gui with: virtualbox
[08:59] <auronandace> tones: gnome 3 itself is the foundation, gnome-shell is the interface (unity is another interface on top of gnome 3)
[08:59] <ichat> Parufito,  i tried ubuntugnome  new official version,  but i enountered tons of issues ...
[08:59] <Hello_> musca, well.. where the shared folder mounts in VB..
[09:02] <tones> so which interface installs with sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop?
[09:03] <auronandace> tones: unity
[09:03] <tones> so that's why, thanks
[09:03] <musca> Hello_:  in the guest:  start \\vboxsrv
[09:05] <musca> Hello_: Do you you see it?
[09:05] <zoke_web> does new macbook air work with ubuntu? especially the wlan (bcm4360)?
[09:06] <auronandace> !mac | zoke_web
[09:06] <Hello_> musca,  no..
[09:06] <auronandace> !b43 | zoke_web
[09:07] <musca> Hello_: use "virtualbox" to fix your VMs networksettings.
[09:08] <Hello_> Which option i should go for ?............ not connected, NAT, Bridged, Internal,Host-Only....
[09:08] <Hello_> musca, Which option i should go for ?............ not connected, NAT, Bridged, Internal,Host-Only....
[09:10] <musca> well, just guess. your chance is 4:1 that it works.
[09:10] <auronandace> Hello_: your network settings have nothing to do with mounting a shared folder on your guest (unless your mount is from another network)
[09:11] <Hello_> I worked with NOT CONNECTED and HOST-ONLY.. No use
[09:13] <musca> Hello_:  please run: explorer.exe /e,\\Vboxsvr
[09:14] <hamidrr> hi folks i have ubuntu and facebook is filtered how can i go to facebook its realy hard for me pleaaaaaase help
[09:15] <cbryant> hamidrr: why is facebook filtered "blocked/censored"?
[09:15] <hamidrr> censored i dont  know for sure the government is dump cbryant
[09:16] <dalinou> i keep failing to connect to /dev/ttyACM0 with Gammu (for samsung player one), with no specific error, just failure of connection; can someone help please?
[09:16] <cbryant> hamidrr: research proxy servers : google
[09:17] <Hello_> musca, you mean it to enter \\Vboxsvr in windows EXPLORER
[09:17] <hamidrr> i tried ssl proxy servers
[09:17] <hamidrr> i tried ssl proxy servers cbryant
[09:17] <cbryant> hamidrr: and your issue?
[09:18] <ikonia> hamidrr: we are not going to help you circumvent your providers policies
[09:19] <musca> i meant it literal to get a result
[09:19] <hamidrr> it says cookie required and brings nothing cbryant
[09:19] <steveccc> apologies for this question - I know its off topic - using skype on ubuntu and I wondered if anyone from the uk here uses a subscription - I wanted to know what is classed as a landline number - is it just the standard area codes and not 0845 numbers etc?
[09:20] <sammo> why ubuntu installer create primary partition for /home ?
[09:20] <ikonia> steveccc: if you know it's offtopic, please don't ask
[09:20] <cbryant> hamidrr: all I can advise you is to research google, thats not a discussion for this chat.
[09:20] <sammo> that's crazy
[09:20] <ikonia> steveccc: try #ubuntu-uk for UK users
[09:20] <ikonia> sammo: nothing crazy about it
[09:21] <sammo> ikonia , why does /home have to be primary partition?
[09:21] <ikonia> sammo: it doesn't have to be
[09:21] <steveccc> ikonia: apologies - i just think as we are all techies and that there isnt an exact room on here that people wouldnt mind
[09:21] <hamidrr> ok i think im alone after all thanks cbryant  bye
[09:21] <ikonia> steveccc: ubuntu-uk would be a good place
[09:22] <sammo> but why the default is primary and it doesn't have any option for user to change it
[09:22] <ikonia> sammo: there are options if you chose custom layout
[09:22] <ikonia> sammo: why is it a problem that it's a primary partition ?
[09:23] <keycompany> hello
[09:23] <sammo> ikonia , only 4 primary partion is allowed in any system
[09:23] <ikonia> sammo: so ?
[09:23] <Castling> q: ubuntus video quality seems drastically better than that of win 7 using the same hardware and videos, in both vlc and youtube, is there an explanation for such a gulf in quality? Is ubuntu just more efficient?
[09:23] <sammo> and ubuntu installer has used them all
[09:23] <ikonia> Castling: different codec
[09:23] <ikonia> sammo: again, so ?
[09:24] <sammo> each partition ubuntu created is in primary partiton
[09:25] <Castling> in vlc even the opengl codec in windows doesnt match the quality i'm seeing. I'm stunned, bu
[09:25] <Castling> but happy
[09:25] <Castling> ;)
[09:26] <andrex> !ru > Castling
[09:26] <pyasi> guys, internet doesn't work in live session booted from the usb though the network is connected and there is ping in the router , but not in other sites, sorry for my bad english , please help me
[09:26] <andrex> oops sorry
[09:26] <cbryant> sammo: What is the problem? Why would you want to change?
[09:26] <ikonia> sammo: what is the actual problem ?
[09:27] <Castling> its in russian
[09:27] <ikonia> sammo: a.) accept ubuntu's suggested layout b.) chose manual and pick your own layout
[09:27] <sammo> all partition creatd by ubuntu are in primary and now i want to install other os
[09:27] <ikonia> sammo: ok - so select manual partition and lay it out how you want to
[09:28] <sammo> select manual partion from whrere?
[09:28] <hanso> oj
[09:28] <pyasi> guys, internet doesn't work in live session booted from the usb though the network is connected and there is ping in the router , but not in other sites, sorry for my bad english , please help me
[09:29] <Hello_> musca, WINDOWS cannot find \\vboxsvr
[09:29] <musca> yes, i understand.
[09:30] <musca> Hello_:  you usewd CLI to set the share. Did you check in GUI if it is configured?
[09:31] <cbryant> sammo: during installation you have option to create a custom partition table
[09:31] <Hello_> usewd CLI::::::::::::Is this a type of command, if so where should i issue?
[09:31] <quackgyver> Hi. I need to run Ubuntu as a virtualized guest system on my OSX computer for one single app, so I'm wondering if anyone could tell me the best way to run it as sort of a Kiosk, with minimal boot time?
[09:31] <quackgyver> Is there already such a distro? Or do I simply have to make it boot into CMD and subsequently into a lightweight WM?
[09:32] <musca> Hello_: why do you want command line interface (cli)? you can try gui with: virtualbox
[09:32] <cbryant> sammo: The normal gui button during install is clicking Something else when you get to Allocate drive space
[09:32] <quackgyver> kiosk*
[09:32] <loganlee> does ubuntu have ms-dos?
[09:32] <pyasi> guys, internet doesn't work in live session booted from the usb though the network is connected and there is ping in the router , but not in other sites, sorry for my bad english , please help me
[09:32] <pyasi> guys, internet doesn't work in live session booted from the usb though the network is connected and there is ping in the router , but not in other sites, sorry for my bad english , please help me
[09:33] <pZombie> i had to delete and move my swap file on ubuntu, now i am gettng virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory. How do i tell ubuntu to use my new swapfile that is on /dev/sda2 ?
[09:33] <chunkyhead> hey guys, is there a way to direct my internet speed at just once process
[09:33] <ikonia> pyasi: ping does not mean the internet is not working
[09:33] <Hello_> musca, what is this usewd ?
[09:33] <ikonia> pyasi: please stop asking the same question every 10 seconds.
[09:33] <sammo> cbryant, i have intalled ubuntu and now i'm using gparted to do partiton and realised all patition created by ubuntu is primary ! that's crazy
[09:33] <ikonia> sammo: it is NOT crazy
[09:34] <sammo> how can it be the default option is primary partition !
[09:34] <ikonia> sammo: you can select your partition layout at install time by selecting custom layout
[09:34] <ikonia> sammo: what do you mean "how can it be" - it's not a problem
[09:35] <Hello_> musca, what is this usewd ? where to see its configuration ?
[09:35] <cbryant> sammo: I recommend reinstalling ubuntu and creathing a custom partition layout including your ntfs patition for windows
[09:35] <cbryant> creating
[09:36] <sammo> cbryant , i have been using ubuntu for months now .....
[09:36] <sammo> can't reinstall
[09:36] <ikonia> sammo: then you'll need to maually migrate / change the partition layout
[09:36] <ikonia> sammo: it will require you to be careful and take some backups
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> should have backups anyway
[09:38] <sammo> it's mind blowing that all partitions crated are in primary ! my god ! windows will never do that
[09:38] <cbryant> sammo: you can use gparted to resize your partition but backing up essential data and reinstalling is prefered method.
[09:38] <Ben64> sammo: uh, yes windows will do that
[09:38] <ikonia> sammo: it's not mind blowing, please stop making these silly comments as it won't help
[09:38] <ikonia> sammo: and windows does create primary partitions by defualt - so stop making things up and focus on resolving your issue
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> sammo: actually, Windows DOES do that
[09:38] <leto> Hi, how to make an install of ubuntu raring 13.04 with an encrypted LVM (luks) and a separate home? It seems the desktop installer doesn't separate it.
[09:38] <lessless> is it possible to make an each monitor in separate workspace?
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> leto: you could use gparted in the live desktop to setup the disks, then run the installer
[09:39] <musca> Hello_: in virtualbox GUI press CTRL-S to see specs of your vm
[09:40] <musca> then it's in the left column at the bottom
[09:41] <leto> ActionParsnip: I know how to create primary and logical partition with gparted, but not LVM partitions, nor how to use them in LUKS when I run the installer
[09:41] <ikonia> leto: lvm doesn't have partition types
[09:42] <Hello_> LEFT-SIDE-  under shared folders - i have confgiured HOST folder to be configured..
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> leto: never used LVM tbh, is there a how to guide
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> !lvm
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> ^ may help
[09:42] <Hello_> musca_LEFT-SIDE-  under shared folders - i have confgiured HOST folder to be configured..
[09:43] <leto> ikonia: so how should I do? I believe it needs a lvm flag at least
[09:43] <Hello_> musca_LEFT-SIDE-  under shared folders - i have confgiured HOST folder that to be hared ..
[09:43] <ikonia> leto: no - that's for pv's not lv's
[09:43] <praveen___> hello all. how do i install balsaming (a wire-framing tool) on ubuntu 12.04?
[09:44] <praveen___> hello all. how do i install balsamig (a wire-framing tool) on ubuntu 12.04?
[09:44] <musca> Hello_: good. Did you try a reboot of the guest after configuring the share?
[09:44] <ikonia> praveen___: repeating a question in under 15 seconds is not a good start
[09:44] <ikonia> !repeat | praveen___
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: do you mean balsamiq?
[09:44] <praveen___> actually there was a spelling mistake.
[09:45] <praveen___> thats why i had to repeat.
[09:45] <praveen___> yes
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: seems to be an Adobe Air product....is that right>
[09:45] <sammo> i believe i used the custom installation and i dont remember there's option for making /home a logical partition
[09:45] <praveen___> yes it is.
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: i found this http://superuser.com/questions/511328/how-to-install-balsamiq-on-ubuntu-12-10
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: however http://www.zdnet.com/adobe-drops-air-for-linux-due-to-lack-of-interest-4010022732/
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: adobe dropped Air support in Linux AGES ago
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: SO dont expect a smooth ride
[09:47] <leto> ikonia: thanks, so what should I do to create this lvm partition and install ubuntu in luks?
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: I suggest you seek an alternative
[09:47] <ikonia> sammtsammo then either a.) you idn't pay attention b.) you didn't ust cusotm installation options - either way it won't fix your current problem
[09:47] <ikonia> leto: you need to create the pv and the lv from within the OS
[09:47] <praveen___> ActionParsnip: whats that?
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: what's what?
[09:48] <Hello_> next,...
[09:48] <praveen___> ActionParsnip: the alternatve?
[09:48] <Hello_> musca,  no use..
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: no idea, seek and ye shall find
[09:49] <praveen___> ActionParsnip: any idea about pidoco?
[09:49] <leto> ikonia: ok I'm curently from the live installer, I assume I run gparted, then?
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: none at all
[09:49] <musca> Hello_: which version of windows is it?
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: never even heard of it
[09:49] <ikonia> leto: no, you need to do a pvcreate on a partition to bring it under lvm control
[09:49] <ikonia> leto: it maybe worth having a small read on using lvm before going any futher
[09:50] <praveen___> ActionParsnip: ok thank you. let me see the links you gave.
[09:50] <praveen___> ActionParsnip:  it is also a wire framing tool. i guess. i am looking for it too.
[09:51] <Hello_> musca_   WINDOWS-XP Professional servicePack2 on AMD Semptron 2.8Ghz, 145Semptron
[09:51] <selim> I did an upgrade a few hours ago but the upgrade failed due to missing space on the harddrive
[09:51] <selim> is there some way to repeat the upgrade process?
[09:51] <selim> aptitude upgrade shows 0 upgrades to do, someone any ideas?
[09:52] <Guest14392> hello
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> praveen___: blender, maybe?
[09:52] <Guest14392> I-m using sparky linux
[09:52] <musca> Hello_: my XP machine just does the trick. i use NAT.
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> selim: i suggest you use apt-get, aptitude has poor suport for multiarch
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> selim: I suggest you uninstall old unused kernels
[09:53] <musca> Hello_: i'm running out of ideas.
[09:53] <Guest14392> I want to definitely left windows for linux
[09:53] <Guest14392> but I need a very easy linux distro
[09:54] <DJones> Guest14392: Ubuntu is fairly easy to get the hang of
[09:54] <Ben64> Guest14392: you are in #ubuntu we may be biased here
[09:54] <Guest14392> please, can you help me in order to choose a very easy linux distro
[09:54] <Hello_> musca_ well, no probs.. thanks for the support.. Anyhow I will try on another XP version Service Pack3..
[09:54] <DJones> Guest14392: You also have the option of Lubuntu or Xubuntu if you have older or lower specifcation hardware
[09:54] <musca> Guest14392:  yes, and ubuntu has Nixie Pixel
[09:55] <Hello_> musca_ I thought I may handling it wrongly..
[09:55] <sample001> hello there how can i modify the result for iwlist command in ubuntu ?
[09:55] <Guest14392> I have a Pentium III-S 1,4 ghz  with  1,5 gb SDRAM PC133
[09:56] <selim> ActionParsnip: hmm if I uninstall old unused kernels I'm not sure if I can restart the sytem afterwards
[09:56] <selim> I would prefer to upgrade first an uninstall later
[09:57] <Guest14392> I need a very easy linux distro for my Pentium III-S 1,4 ghz with 1,5 gb SDRAM PC133
[09:57] <selim> ActionParsnip: is that possible someohow
[09:58] <sample001>  hello there how can i modify the result for iwlist command in ubuntu ? for example i only want to show the signal level. But not using grep command ?
[09:58] <Guest14392> fron
[09:59] <leto> ikonia: I've actually read some doc about lvm, especially https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm, but 1/it doesn't explain how to create the lvm partition ("You can create one with gparted or fdisk", that's all) 2/that's where I've read the need of an lvm flag ("In gparted, you need to check the lvm flag when creating the partition"), and you said it was wrong, if I've well understood
[09:59] <Guest14392> for my Pentium III-S 1,4 ghz with 1,5 gb of RAM which linux distrubution I have to choose?
[10:00] <pZombie> i would try xubuntu with those specs
[10:00] <DJones> !lubuntu | Guest14392
[10:00] <DJones> !xubuntu | Guest14392
[10:01] <pZombie> xubuntu is very easy to use and quite lightweight
[10:01] <DJones> Guest14392: I'd look at Lubuntu and Xubuntu, probably download the Live CD/USB and test them to see which worked best
[10:02] <Asad2005> Is there away to add a unity panle? If i have many apps open the bottom of the panel becomes clautter in is not nice
[10:02] <Guest14392> xubuntu or lubuntu? My PC has an ATI Radeon 9250 AGP 8x with 256 mb of RAM
[10:03] <kalakj> hello everyone
[10:03] <Hello_> Is there any support in UBUNTU 13.04 for ANDROID JellyBean  OS fo mobiles
[10:03] <kalakj> how to make fingerprint sensor make work in ubuntu
[10:03] <sample001>  hello there how can i modify the result for iwlist command in ubuntu ? for example i only want to show the signal level. But not using grep command ?
[10:04] <kalakj> i am using UBuntu 10.04.2
[10:04] <ctcb> Hi all, I'm wondering how I could contact Canoical about adding certain packages to Ubuntu 11.10 (Pre-Installed)?
[10:04] <sample001> #iwconfig
[10:04] <JuPaname> irc://irc.jupaname.fr/#!accueil!
[10:04] <DJones> Guest14392: Its better if you test both of them, its difficult to say which is best, its better if you test them yourself to see which suits you mose
[10:04] <kalakj> oh sorry, 12.04 LTS
[10:04] <cbryant_afk> Guest14392: Try Both, noone can give you a positive answer regarding which distro will run best on your system.
[10:05] <Ben64> !eol | ctcb
[10:05] <DJones> ctcb: 11.10 Desktop went end of life in May 2013, so its no longer supported, there I doubt there would be any chance at all of getting packages added
[10:05] <kalakj> hi, everyone, i have fingerprint sensor of authentic truesuite, itś working in Windows and how to make it work on UBUNTU 12.04 LTS
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> ctcb: yuocan upgrade to Precise in one jump as it is the next release, this will give you LTS support til April 2017
[10:05] <sample001> hello there how can i modify the result for iwlist command in ubuntu ? for example i only want to show the signal level. But not using grep command ?
[10:06] <ctcb> Oh, Oops. I meant 13.10, which is coming out later this year.
[10:06] <Guest14392> So, I surely cannot use UBUNTU or KUBUNTU on my Pentium III-S 1,4 ghz, 1,5 gb RAM, Ati Radeon 9250 AGP 8x 256 mb VRAM?
[10:06] <kalakj> Itś integrated in LAPTOP
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> sample001: why not grep?
[10:06] <ctcb> There's some packages that I think should be included with it, out of the box.
[10:06] <Hello_> Is there any support in UBUNTU 13.04 for ANDROID JellyBean  OS for mobiles
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> ctcb: what in Oneiric?
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Hello_: no as its not Ubuntu
[10:06] <auronandace> !13.10 | ctcb
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> ctcb: Saucy isn't supported here til release day
[10:07] <DJones> Hello_: Do you mean connecting an Android phone/device to Ubuntu to copy files to etc?
[10:08] <ctcb> ActionParsnip, I'm not asking for "Support"!
[10:08] <ctcb> I'm trying to get certain packages in it.
[10:08] <sample001> ActionParsnip: What i want is to update the iwlist source code because I want to make the result more faster.
[10:09] <Guest14392> and what about XUBUNTU or LUBUNTU derivates distributions?
[10:09] <Ben64> ctcb: 13.10 is still offtopic here, and its probably too late to get something in 13.10
[10:09] <kalakj> ubottu: What about finger print sensor recognisation in ubuntu, how to make it work
[10:09] <mementomori> is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut to "Tools > External > Qt Quick >  Preview (qmlscene)" in creator?
[10:09] <Hello_> ActionParsnip_  which Linux(FEDORA, OPENSUSE..) is supporting ANDROID-JB
[10:10] <DJones> ctcb: You're best chance might be to file it as a bug/wishlist request
[10:10] <kalakj> ActionParsnip: What about finger print sensor recognisation in ubuntu, how to make it work
[10:10] <sammo> can i run this chkdsk /f in ubuntu to fix windows partition ?
[10:11] <kalakj> why do people use linux when they are not able to use full hardware they have
[10:11] <mementomori> sorry wrong chan ;)
[10:11] <gordonjcp> kalakj: because it might do stuff they can't get with other OSes, and they might not care much about the hardware that isn't supported
[10:11] <loganlee> kalakj: curiosity maybe
[10:11] <gordonjcp> kalakj: that's more of a question for #ubuntu-offtopic though
[10:12] <pyasi> guys , internet doesn't work when i boot a live cd , there is network connection with my router, but no internet
[10:12] <pyasi> i had a disconnection , so asked you guys again
[10:13] <sammo> can i run this chkdsk /f in ubuntu to fix windows partition ?
[10:13] <ikonia> sammo: I'd advise not to
[10:13] <kalakj> gordonjcp: what kind of special stuff, most of open source applications are also available on Windows platform also, like mozilla, gimp, games etc
[10:13] <sebastian> I've got a really weird problem... I've done sudo usermod -a -G libvirtd <myusername>, but after opening a new shell, id doesn't show membership in libvirtd. What happened? How can I even diagnose it? Why was there no error?
[10:14] <sammo> ikonia , i used gparted to resize ntfs partition and now i can't boot up windows
[10:14] <gordonjcp> kalakj: this is more a discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:14] <ikonia> sammo: why do you think chkdsk will fix it
[10:14] <kalakj> gordonjcp: professional application like, apache, mysql , etc , there exists windows installer for them
[10:14] <gordonjcp> kalakj: this is more a discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:14] <sammo> on ubuntu it say i muts use the chkdsk/f to fix it
[10:14] <ikonia> sammo: so boot from your windows install CD to chkdisk it
[10:14] <kalakj> gordonjcp: how could it be offtopic
[10:14] <Ben64> sammo: yeah, in windows
[10:15] <sample001> ActionParsnip: What i want is to update the iwlist source code because I want to make the result more faster.
[10:15] <kalakj> gordonjcp: what is the topic here
[10:15] <ikonia> sammo: although I don't know why ubuntu is telling you why your windows machine can't boot
[10:15] <gordonjcp> kalakj: is it a direct support question?
[10:15] <gordonjcp> kalakj: no - therefore, #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:15] <sammo> ikonoa , gparted say so
[10:15] <ikonia> sammo: gparted doesn't know about your windows boot problems
[10:15] <ikonia> sammo: however I'd suggest booting from your windows install media and running your chkdsk command
[10:15] <kalakj> gordonjcp: yes, my finger print authentication is not working
[10:16] <Ben64> it just says to use chkdsk because windows is best at fixing ntfs
[10:16] <sammo> itresize it and show the erro mesg
[10:16] <ikonia> sammo: resize is not boot
[10:16] <ikonia> sammo: you said it won't boot - resize is a different function
[10:16] <devoid> is anyone having problems with update-alternatives? for the last few days both my quantal and raring machines revert to the default x-terminal-emulator (konsole) every day. no problems before that.
[10:16] <Hello_> Can anyone give an idea about which linux distro has ANDRIOD-JellyBean support ?
[10:16] <ikonia> sammo: however same thing applies, run it from your windows install media
[10:16] <gordonjcp> kalakj: okay, that's *on-topic*, but discussing why people choose to use Linux isn't ;-)
[10:16] <ikonia> Hello_: nothing to do with this channel - we only support ubuntu here
[10:16] <gordonjcp> kalakj: fwiw I don't use Windows because I don't know how it works or how to use it
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> Hello_: what do you want to achieve?
[10:17] <leto> ikonia: which doc do you advice me to do this install?
[10:17] <ikonia> leto: just a genric lvm overview/
[10:17] <ikonia> leto: just to get a basic understanding of how it works
[10:17] <pyasi> i had a disconnection , so asked you guys again
[10:17] <pyasi> guys , internet doesn't work when i boot a live cd , there is network connection with my router, but no internet
[10:18] <kalakj> just roll your finger few times to save finger print data,  next time, use it to authenticate instead of supplying passwords
[10:18] <Ben64> pyasi: maybe try ##networking ?
[10:18] <ikonia> pyasi: check your dns settings and your default gateway
[10:18] <pyasi> they all work while booting from windows
[10:19] <ikonia> pyasi: that's not what I said
[10:19] <ikonia> pyasi: your windows install has no relevence
[10:19] <pyasi> yes, internet works in other devices
[10:19] <ikonia> again - I didn't say that
[10:19] <Hello_> Can I install Android-JellyBean Through VB on Ubuntu
[10:19] <ikonia> I asked you to check your dns settings and default route
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> Hello_: in heory yes
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> hee*theory
[10:20] <ikonia> ping is not a valid test
[10:20] <ikonia> icmp != internet
[10:20] <Hello_> what do you mean theory ??
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: shows routing is good
[10:20] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: no - it doesn't
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> Hello_: it has USB access so your device will be seen
[10:21] <pyasi> they are all fine
[10:21] <sample001> Does anybody here know how and where to modify the iwlist scan result ?
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: the data has to flow through the router to hit the target and get sent back, so it shows traffic can flow in and out of the LAN as well as the system itself
[10:21] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: no it doesn't - as it is icmp
[10:21] <ikonia> it does not prove everything as not all providers will forward icmp
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: does 8.8.8.8 ping ok?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: well, lets try. It is free
[10:22] <Ben64> i've never seen a place that blocks outgoing pings
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> Ben64: in my workplace we block icmp in some areas
[10:22] <DJones> Hello_: I tried it and got it installed, but it didn't really work that well, most of the apps didn't work because running in a vm doesn't have the hardware needed (gps/acceleromiter/gprs etc) It was ok to do to see whether it would work, but not to actually use
[10:23] <gordonjcp> ActionParsnip: out of curiosity, why do you block ICMP?
[10:23] <gordonjcp> doesn't that make a bunch of stuff not work properly?
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> gordonjcp: no idea, was like that when I started
[10:24] <sample001> Does anyone here know how and where to modify the iwlist scan result ?
[10:24] <ikonia> gordonjcp: icmp can expose some network security holes
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> sample001: use grep
[10:24] <ikonia> sample001: it will only display what it can see
[10:24] <ikonia> sample001: so you can't modify what it can see/scan
[10:24] <Hello_> Has anybody installed Android-JellyBean on ubuntu thru
[10:25] <Hello_> Has anybody installed Android-JellyBean on ubuntu thru VB
[10:25] <ikonia> Hello_: stop asking
[10:25] <DJones> Hello_: You'll probably get more experienced replies if you ask in #vbox on Freenode, they might have some pointers
[10:25] <ikonia> Hello_: DJones has just given you some feedback
[10:25] <DJones> Hello_: Please read the replies you're being given, there's no point asking the question over and over if you don't read the responses
[10:25] <sample001> ikonia: what i want is to see only the signal level . But i dont want to use grep . because my main purpose is to make the scan result very fast and almost realtime. Do you have any idea how to do it ?
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> sample001: why do you not want to use grep?
[10:26] <ikonia> sample001: use a tool that does that
[10:26] <ikonia> sample001: and grep will not slow it down
[10:26] <ikonia> grep just filters the results, it doesn't change them, so there will be no change in performance
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> sample001: grep is super fast
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> sample001: what do you think grep does that takes so long
[10:27] <sample001> thanks all
[10:27] <devoid> is anyone having problems with update-alternatives? for the last few days both my quantal and raring machines revert to the default x-terminal-emulator (konsole) every day. no problems before that.
[10:27] <Hello_> DJones_ Thanks.. I just wish a redirection..
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> sample001: what do you think grep does that takes so long exctly?
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> grep adds 0.007 seconds, wooooo
[10:38] <simion314> hi, i have an AMD 6670 card ,  sometimes when starting/rebooting the image on the screen seems like it using 16 or 256 colors , i am using the catalyst driver in 12.04 and also tried the experimental driver  and I has same issues
[10:39] <simion314> not sure if is a driver or hardware issue, restarting a few times will solve this
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> simion314: once you get logged in, try running:  killall -u $USER    then login again
[10:46] <nugroho2> WHA420355
[10:46] <MUSTAFA> Hİ COMUNNİTY  İCH HABE EİNE FRAGE.. WİE İNSTALLİERE İCH ASTERİSK AUF UBUNTU 12.04 DESKTOP?? KANNMİR DA JEMAND HELFEN?
[10:46] <simion314> ActionParsnip: hi, thx , can you tell me more? what do you think it could be? an app?
[10:46] <ikonia> !de | MUSTAFA
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> simion314: may just be loading the drive slowly, does it help
[10:48] <simion314> ActionParsnip: now is working fine, i will have to reboot 20 times maybe to get the error
[10:48] <simion314> now I am working, can't afford to debug this
[10:48] <simion314> thx
[10:48] <elita15> can someone please tell how to install vim and git
[10:49] <Znoosey> elita15: apt-get install vim git
[10:49] <MUSTAFA> hi community how can i install asterisk on ubuntu 12.04desktop? can someone help me?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> MUSTAFA: http://blogs.digium.com/2012/11/14/how-to-install-asterisk-11-on-ubuntu-12-4-lts/
[10:50] <elita15> znoosey, thanks..
[10:50] <Znoosey> elita15, no problem
[10:51] <selim> ActionParsnip: how would uninstalling old kernels help to fix the problem?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> selim: frees up space
[10:51] <elita15> how do we install python interpreter?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> elita15: use software centre
[10:51] <selim> ActionParsnip: the space is not the problem anymore
[10:51] <selim> there was some bad mounting of /tmp
[10:51] <MUSTAFA> tahnks actionparsnip love u  :D
[10:51] <selim> I fixed that, but now I need to retry the upgrade process
[10:51] <selim> which is not possible it shows 0 upgrades
[10:52] <Znoosey> elita15, python should already be installed with ubuntu
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> MUSTAFA: i just websearched, have you tried that?
[10:52] <Znoosey> elita15, so unless you need some specific python version there is no need for it
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> selim: what messages do you see>
[10:52] <elita15> its not actually. mine is ubuntu v 12.04
[10:53] <elita15> most of the softwares in software center cannot be installed. why is it so?
[10:53] <Znoosey> elita15: and whereis python , doesn't return anything?
[10:54] <berryciderspider> does anyone know how to take a regexp for '/image_name.(png/jpg/gif)' out of a url?
[10:55] <elita15> znoosey, sorry i dint get you. can you please explain
[10:55] <Znoosey> elita15, in a command prompt write: whereis python
[10:55] <Znoosey> if it just says: python:
[10:55] <Znoosey> it is not installed
[10:55] <jrib> berryciderspider: uh, what do you want to accomplish exactly?
[10:56] <berryciderspider> jrib: i want to extract the image name (image.jpg, image.gif etc) from a url
[10:56] <MUSTAFA> hi action parsnip.. this is the firs time i use linux ..sorry for the questions.. but the asterisk downloAD link is dossent work
[10:56] <elita15> yes it just says python:
[10:56] <Znoosey> elita if you don't have it installed do: apt-cache search libpython3
[10:57] <Znoosey> and then apt-get install <thepythonversionyouwanthere>
[10:57] <Znoosey> elita15, you can search for libpython2 too... and install that
[10:58] <jrib> berryciderspider: so what do you have so far for your regexp?
[10:58] <Znoosey> elita15, some programs like in software center needs python 2.7, which might be why they are not working
[10:59] <elita15> okay thanks, i'll try that. am currently on windows o/s so cannot do the installation  just now.
[11:00] <elita15> znoosey, so do i have install python 2.7 first?
[11:00] <Znoosey> elita15, i don't think it matters
[11:00] <berryciderspider> jrib: i think i should read about them first, then if i have questions ill ask
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> MUSTAFA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsteriskOnUbuntu
[11:01] <jrib> berryciderspider: ok
[11:02] <jrib> elita15: if you don't have python, then something is probably really wrong with your installation
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> elita15: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[11:03] <elita15> actionparsnip, i am on windows o/s currently so cannot try it out
[11:04] <elita15> what is the command for?
[11:04] <[nas]peter> it shows the version of Ubuntu
[11:04] <elita15> znoosey, thanks. i'll try what you said
[11:06] <inashdeen> hi there all. Well this is just my opinion though. Not sure anybody would even bother bout it. I am trying to promote Ubuntu, but to my dismay there is no recent available ads for ubuntu. The only one I can found for ubuntu 12.04 is not even close to an ad,I should say it. Urm... this is bad :( *dismay*
[11:07] <ehhh> hey guys i've got some varying questions. . first a quick one is ubuntu for phone only designed for android phones like the nexus or could i be able to install it to my dying samsung wave (runs bada os)
[11:08] <k1l_> !phone | ehhh
[11:08] <berryciderspider> jrib: how do i match more than one value? for example p =  re.compile('[a-z]') -> p.match('some text') only returns 's'. How can i get it to iterate over the whole string?
[11:08] <jrib> berryciderspider: put * after your [a-z] character class
[11:09] <jrib> berryciderspider: * means 0 or more matches of what just came before
[11:09] <k1l_> berryciderspider: there is also #bash for scripting questions :)
[11:10] <berryciderspider> jrib: oh yeah, cheers
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> elita15: if you can give us the output it will be useful to us
[11:17] <berryciderspider> jrib: ok i've got this: re.compile('\/.*.jpg') but how so i use an 'OR' expression?
[11:17] <elita15> ActionParsnip, i'll try it out soon and tell you.
[11:20] <jrib> berryciderspider: (foo|bar)
[11:22] <selim> ActionParsnip: no messages, I do apt-get upgrade and I get this: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:23] <ehhh> cool, I'll give it a read soon. . next thing is I've got an old HP laptop, I tried to install ubuntu on it recently but booting from cd barely works, usb works but real slow, and after the hours of wait to get to the install screen i end up with a error something about hotswap failed or something (right after install starts, I'm assuming it fails to format to ext), can't remember specifically but I can get the whole message but it woul
[11:23] <ehhh> while to get there). . I can install windows 7 on it fine but it crashes all the time (overloading+overheating, turns off after a certain while so i never get to install the drivers, ubuntu doesn't seem to crash from it though)
[11:24] <ehhh> is there hope for this old thing
[11:25] <ehhh> want to use it for htpc purposes, music and video streaming exclusively
[11:25] <ikonia> ehhh: sounds like a no hoper
[11:26] <ikonia> ehhh: if you can't even install the OS as it's too heavy, I doubt you'll be able to use it as a media server
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> selim: sounds fine then, your SO is up to date
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: have you tested RAM using Memtest86+ /
[11:28] <CruX|> hello how can i change python interpreter from version 2.6 to 2.7 ?
[11:28] <selim> ActionParsnip: that's the problem it's not up to date, the upgrade failed and it can't be up to date
[11:29] <selim> still apt-get won't trigger another run
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix | selim
[11:30] <ehhh> no i haven't tried anything beyond installing the os, I had ubuntu studio installed on it but when the bootloader ran it just froze on the black _ screen and started beeping furiously. it's been dusting since i installed ubuntu studio and back then it ran fine but I didn't really use it that much
[11:30] <selim> ActionParsnip: no change
[11:30] <selim> the database doesn't seem to be locked
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> selim: wget https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8850924/fixpackage; chmod +x ./fixpackage; sudo ./fixpackage
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> selim: will force it to redownload the new packages etc
[11:34] <Layke> How do I mv the contents of a folder up one directory, (where there will be clashes of names, and overwrite everything)
[11:35] <jrib> Layke: just move them up?  If you get prompts, answer affirmatively?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> Layke: do you want the files to overwrite?
[11:36] <Layke> ActionParsnip, Yeah. I'm trying from command line
[11:36] <Layke> mv: cannot move `drupal-7.22/includes' to `./includes': Directory not empt
[11:36] <Layke> I tried doing this...
[11:36] <Layke> mv -f drupal-7.22/* .
[11:37] <Layke> I did read the man pages, and it says that -f is to do not prompt for overwriting. So not really sure what's the problem.
[11:38] <ehhh> but does anyone have any experience with htpc, I'm thinking to control the media players with dedicated apps from an android device, so i can persay,browse through my music library on for example amarok, use xbmc exclusively for video etc etc. . does anyone have an opinion whether i should use ubuntu or windows for this, I've got an even older stationary computer that has survived all the angry kicks and it's still kicking back :P but 
[11:38] <ehhh> out so i might need a hdmi card or something. . this is only a possibility as I'm not decided on using it as a htpc or a studio pc yet. .
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> Layke: mv -a   to move a folder
[11:39] <Layke> mv: invalid option -- a
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: xbmc runs on both
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> Layke: -r then
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: xbmc will add itself as a session in lightdm, handy
[11:39] <Layke> Same ActionParsnip
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> Layke: man mv
[11:40] <Layke> I have
[11:40] <Layke> I've read it all
[11:40] <ehhh> yeah that's why I'm still considering using windows for htpc purposes, I love foobar, winamp and xmbc i haven't really started using yet. . what's lightdm?
[11:40] <auronandace> ehhh: lightdm is the login manager
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: I use vlc for its web ui
[11:40] <Layke> http://pastie.org/8074755
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: lots of apps can control it using that interface
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Layke: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[11:42] <Layke> ActionParsnip, I've just used cp -rf instead.
[11:42] <Layke> Which I think worked..
[11:42] <selim> ActionParsnip: I still get 0 upgraded
[11:42] <ehhh> i'm still a bit undecided since i don't have an android yet so i can experiment with it, i know the apps for windows software LOOKS better but i don't know what will perform best. . i use vlc standard but want to set up a library of sorts and think xbmc should do the job nicely for that purpose (browse movies, series, etc)
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> selim: then all I can say is that the OS is up to date
[11:43] <Alternate> Anyone knows an app that I can use that check all my hardware?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: the vlc remote can have its home set in the app, so you see the library folders and files on the device rather than the screen. Depends what you like
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: xbmc has a remote app too, it moves the screen on the system like a dvd menu
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Alternate: check in what way?
[11:44] <Alternate> To see if everything is still working fine, like ram test etc
[11:44] <selim> ActionParsnip: for some reason the system thinks it did install all those packages
[11:44] <selim> but it does not
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Alternate: there is memtest86+ in Grub
[11:44] <selim> at least thats what the log says
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> selim: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[11:45] <ehhh> I keep everything sorted out real nicely so basicly a file browser would work for the movies and series, so vlc I can basically have a file browser styled stuff going on and xmbc would look the part. . i've been using vlc as standard for years but not beyond just launching the files and occasionally setting up playlists. . i can try this stuff on this computer right`? (windows)
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> selim: its a quick command.....
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: if you want, its your system....
[11:46] <diiuirh> slt
[11:47] <jonascj> Hi. I've ran "sudo update-rc.d redis-server remove" and "sudo rm /etc/init.d/redis-server" after following a guide blindly. How do I undo this so redis starts up at boot time?
[11:47] <selim> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS \n \l
[11:50] <ehhh> freedom is great, i want to run ubuntu on this computer too but i'm limited as the music production softwares on windows are far superior for me over ubuntu studio. . if i set up vlc to my videos folder what's the app like (is the app like a file browser? i'll check right now on google play and see what i can find)
[11:51] <ehhh> does it basically work like, i browse the video library on the phone, launch it from there and it boots up`?
[11:52] <ehhh> for vlc
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: yes, the vlc remote only controls.
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: another way is to use x forwarding and launch the app
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: the sound will come out of the server but the GUI will show on the client
[11:54] <sperrhaken> jonascj: "apt-get --reinstall install redis-server" might recreate the init-script and the appropiate default start-up links.
[11:56] <ehhh> nice, it's good to know i atleast won't be limited in options . . guess it all comes down to decisions and a bit of experimentation when i get an android device :P didn't take the time to explore the possibilities of vlc alone . .
[11:57] <ehhh> i'm thinking if i use a stationary computer over a laptop i would drop the nas and just use hard drives in it. . does seem a lot more efficient than streaming over network and shit
[11:58] <ikonia> ehhh: tone down the language, there is no need for it please.
[11:58] <ehhh> only reason i'm considering nas is if i drop computers completely and go for something like sonos for music etc
[11:58] <Castling> suggestions for an irc client for use with ubuntu? I've used mirc for many years, something similar would be great.
[11:58] <ehhh> lol sorry :P
[11:58] <ikonia> Castling: there are many available, search the package manager, try some, see what you like
[11:58] <Guest8812> Trying to download all .pdf files from the web-dirctory ibiblio.org/pub/, so I supplied this following command:
[11:58] <Guest8812>  wget -r -l 0 -A pdf ibiblio.org/pub/
[11:58] <Guest8812>  here's the part output
[11:58] <Guest8812> http://pastebin.com/kxFj22Yp
[11:58] <Guest8812> It looks like other unnecessary files that are not required are being downloaded too and then it's checking that there only Accept option for pdf extension and then it removes the non required file. The problem is, I am having expensive internet, so I don't want to download unnecessary files. Any idea?
[11:58] <FloodBot1> Guest8812: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:59] <ulkesh> Castling: xchat is nice (GUI), irssi is also (TextUI)
[11:59] <k1l_> Castling: xhcat (the one without -gnome)
[11:59] <Guest8812> oops, I didn't flooded
[11:59] <Castling> yeah I'm very partial to nice gui
[11:59] <Guest8812> did anybody saw my question?
[11:59] <ikonia> Guest8812: everyone saw it
[11:59] <Zagomah> hi to all
[12:00] <Guest8812> ok, I thought FloodBot1 didn't allowed me to post
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Castling: irssi, xchat, pidgin :)
[12:01] <ehhh> but i don't really see that many reasons for not using a computer to put it that way . . the computer might make more noise than a little plastic thingy for it but with the right cooling and good silent hdds. . well i'm confusing myself here :P
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> Castling: mirc gui isnt particulary pretty
[12:01] <Castling> yhx
[12:01] <selim> ActionParsnip: the LTS Version doesn't say anything, does it?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> selim: how do you mean?
[12:02] <ZenoArrow> Hi. Having a network configuration issue. I'm using a static IP with wlan0 (configured through the networking GUI). This works fine, until I want to alter the DNS servers (I need the result in /etc/resolv.conf to be different). Help!
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> ZenoArrow: you can add it in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head at the bottom of the file, it will apply each time
[12:04] <ehhh> does anyone have an opinion on computers vs designed streamers? i think streamers would be rather limiting but with a nice gui designed for the purpose, though with a computer i would be able to do anything from browse the web etc though music is my #1 priority
[12:05] <Castling> ive used a wdtv live forever, but i just play video. its basic, but works flawlessly.
[12:05] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: Thank you. I would do that, but the file /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head has a comment saying "# Do not edit this file by hand -- your changes will be overwritten"
[12:06] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: This would imply I should use resolvconf to alter the head file. Is it okay to edit it manually?
[12:06] <ehhh> yeah the problem if i go with streamers is i would probably end up with two, one for music (sonos/bluesound), and one for video (i.e. wdtv, dune, boxee whatever (i haven't been reading up too much on the videos stuff)
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> ZenoArrow: thats because it is used to generate /etc/resolv.conf
[12:07] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: Have you looked at subsonic?
[12:07] <ehhh> i would need a designated one for music like bluesound as it supports 24bit audio (though at this time i'm not loaded up on the wavs, mostly 16bit)
[12:07] <ehhh> Zenoarrow: no, do you have a  link i could check it out?
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> ZenoArrow: it is the top of the file, so if you put DNS servers in that file, it will be added regardless of any DHCP address :)
[12:08] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: Okay. So to confirm the steps I should follow, I edit the head file with... nameserver 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4... at the top, save it, then???
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> ZenoArrow: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee -a /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head > /dev/null
[12:08] <Guest62390> how was the german ubuntu chat?
[12:08] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> ZenoArrow: then when you reboot etc, the file will get the usual text, plus the nameservers
[12:09] <tonmon> level
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> !de | Guest62390
[12:09] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: Thank you, I'll try that now.
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> ZenoArrow: its a hack, but it works
[12:11] <ehhh> ZeroArrow: this looks real interesting, is it like an alternative to spotify? been wondering a bit how i would get internet streaming going on ubuntu without spotify. . though i'll say i keep most of my music stored locally and am content with that though the option to go listen to something you can't find elsewhere is always a plus
[12:11] <selim> ActionParsnip: How do I now if the upgrade did really work, since the log only tells me what was intended to do and not if it really finished successfully
[12:11] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: Just to check, if I wanted to add two nameservers with your hack, would I change it to...
[12:12] <ehhh> Zenoarrow*
[12:12] <ZenoArrow> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4" | sudo tee -a /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head > /dev/null
[12:12] <selim> ActionParsnip: but since it does not show new upgrade (there have been 86 before) something must be wrong
[12:12] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: Or do I need to separate with a comma?
[12:13] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: You can think of Subsonic as an alternative to Spotify, yes. There are numerous benefits, including....
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> ZenoArrow: one nameserver per line
[12:14] <ZenoArrow> Audio transcoding, video transcoding, phone apps, desktop apps, no ads, etc...
[12:14] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: Understood, thanks.
[12:15] <ehhh> I see on the frontpage it streams movies as well :P this is def something i'll check out and try
[12:15] <keepguessing> I keep getting this proxy issues while using ubuntu 12.04 I end up configuring each application separately to use the proxy in my office. I toggle from office to work. But when I am at home I do not have any proxy server I spend a lot of time unconfiguring the proxy for my server :-(
[12:16] <keepguessing> s/for my server/for my laptop/
[12:16] <Eax> Hey there - Just installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my laptop - Can someone explain how I can disable the Searching in Nautilus when I write single letters? So that it just jumps to the first file with that letter instead of opening a search view? Thanks!
[12:16] <ehhh> also i see it's made by a norwegian, blasphemy ! no one in my country can do this :P
[12:16] <keepguessing> Is there any cleaner way that you use?
[12:28] <bhavyakumarsingh> hello installed libreoffice bit can not open files with .odt or .doc extension
[12:28] <ZenoArrow> ActionParsnip: I've made the recommended changes, and can see the contents in the altered file. Issue is, the program I use utilises /etc/resolv.conf, and I need to remove the nameserver 127.0.1.1 from this file before the new nameservers will be used. Can I just manually delete this line?
[12:28] <auronandace> bhavyakumarsingh: how did you install it?
[12:29] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: trying out subsonic now, so it's like you set up the media folders from your computer, and it works like a cloud server that you can access from anywhere?
[12:30] <bhavyakumarsingh> auronandance : using "sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[12:30] <bhavyakumarsingh> "
[12:30] <morpheus_>  
[12:30] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: Yes, pretty much.
[12:30] <auronandace> bhavyakumarsingh: works fine for me
[12:31] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: looks pretty cool, i'll definitively check this out some more and try it out see how it works, what's the best configuration for this?
[12:31] <bhavyakumarsingh> auronandace :it is installed but when  try to open it it gives option filter selection
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> bhavyakumarsingh  maybe a language pack that's not installed?
[12:32] <bhavyakumarsingh> monkey dust: how can i install it
[12:32] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: You will probably need to setup dynamicdns if you want to access your collection from outside your network.
[12:32] <auronandace> bhavyakumarsingh: are you sure the file you are trying to open is in fact a .odt or .doc
[12:32] <auronandace> bhavyakumarsingh: you haven't just renamed the file to have that extension have you?
[12:32] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: Is video streaming a requirement for you?
[12:32] <bhavyakumarsingh> yes bcoz i can open them on other system installed with Ubuntu and even windows but not onmy PC
[12:33] <MonkeyDust> bhavyakumarsingh  renaming a file does not convert it
[12:33] <bhavyakumarsingh> i know bro i have saved them in .doc and .odt formats
[12:34] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: music is #1, i can say video streaming is around 10-15% really . . but that might change a bit once i get everything up and running but i still think music will be #1. . i might prefer to watch movies stored locally just for stability but i'm not completely sure what i'll do in the end
[12:34] <nabn> hi. i need to reinstall the linux kernel ( i guess ). Is there a easy (.deb, or apt-get way) to do that?
[12:35] <bhavyakumarsingh> MonkeyDust, any other option
[12:35] <reisio> nabn: you guess?
[12:35] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: What machine would you like to use as your server?
[12:36] <nabn> reisio, i am not really sure
[12:36] <nabn> reisio, i am kind of desparate
[12:36] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: well since my old laptop is out of the question it seems that i'll either use my old stationary, or a new one, or the last option which would be a NAS
[12:36] <reisio> nabn: over what/
[12:36] <reisio> s/\//\?/
[12:37] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: Why is your old laptop out of the question? How old is old?
[12:38] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: I only ask as I've got Subsonic setup on a Raspberry Pi, which is pretty much perfect as a Subsonic audio server, but not quite powerful enough to do video transcoding.
[12:38] <Deathis> exit
[12:39] <tesqie> gell
[12:39] <tesqie> hello
[12:39] <tesqie> is this a help chat?
[12:39] <jrib> tesqie: yes
[12:39] <nabn> reisio, my graphics drivers are not apparantly working. i should be using the default driver module that comes with the kernel. when i upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04, the graphics was not right and also, i couldn't change my brightness levels
[12:39] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: I can't get ubuntu installed, I get a hotswap fail at the beginning of the install. . it runs with ubuntu off usb / live cd fine but i can't get it installed properly / hard drives won't format ( i think ). it runs windows 7 but after about 20 minutes it shuts off (i believe) because of overheating
[12:40] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: if I could get ubuntu properly on it it's my first choice even though it gets hot as . . i won't be physically using it anyway is my though. .
[12:40] <ehhh> thought*
[12:41] <tesqie> ive been working for 3 days trying to isntall ubuntu 13.04 along side windows 8. first of all it wasnt loading so i had to use nomodeset wich didnt work then later used radeon.modeset=0 wich works. Althought this generates a problem later on. ofcourse after ubuntu was installed my computer would boot straight onto windows. to fix this i used boot-repair disk. and had to use radeon.modeset=0 but using this commain it gives me gtk cann
[12:41] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: Oh okay, probably best to avoid using it if it overheats. In that case you're looking at your standalone machine. What hardware has it got? Would you happy leaving it on all the time, or would you be keen to get something lower power?
[12:43] <Alternate> why would someone get a home server? what is the benefit?
[12:43] <tesqie> does anyone have a clue, cuz im really lost
[12:43] <ZenoArrow> Alternate: There are tons of benefits, just depends on what you use computers for.
[12:45] <tesqie> ive been working for 3 days trying to isntall ubuntu 13.04 along side windows 8. first of all it wasnt loading so i had to use nomodeset wich didnt work then later used radeon.modeset=0 wich works. Althought this generates a problem later on. ofcourse after ubuntu was installed my computer would boot straight onto windows. to fix this i used boot-repair disk. and had to use radeon.modeset=0 but using this commain it gives me gtk cann
[12:45] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: it's an old packard bell, I can't completely remember the specs but i tihnk it's somewhere around . . 2.5 ghz, 2-4gb ram, a few hdds and stuff . . i'm in between whether i should use it for htpc purposes or as a music production studio computer (though I'll probably end up getting a new custom built for that, i don't want to lose my stuff) so it looks like it's a viable option for htpc use if i put in a hdmi card. .
[12:46] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: and yes it should be fine running all the time, though I might standby at night for safety
[12:46] <ZenoArrow> tesqie: Take a look at this... http://askubuntu.com/questions/279275/dual-boot-problem-windows-8-ubuntu-12-04
[12:47] <tesqie> zeno arrow i tried that
[12:48] <selim> Anyone some other idea how I can retrigger my upgrade?
[12:48] <ZenoArrow> tesqie: Which method did you try? There are two listed.
[12:48] <tesqie> the first one
[12:48] <tesqie> does the second one work with uefi?
[12:48] <MonkeyDust> selim  "other" as opposed to what?
[12:48] <ZenoArrow> tesqie: Worth a go.
[12:49] <tesqie> so i slap it on a usb and boot with it?
[12:49] <selim> MonkeyDust: to this one, which did not help: 	ActionParsnip	[#ubuntu] selim: wget https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8850924/fixpackage; chmod +x ./fixpackage; sudo ./fixpackage
[12:50] <ZenoArrow> tesqie: Here's the link to the documentation... http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/secureboot.html
[12:50] <tesqie> thank you going to try it now
[12:50] <MonkeyDust> selim  if upgrading fails, try backup and fresh install
[12:51] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: As long as you're happy leaving your PC on during the day, no problem. Worth looking into whether your PC supports Wake on LAN as well. The installation guide is on the Subsonic website.
[12:51] <selim> MonkeyDust: before I do this, I would manually reinstall all packages listed in the apt-get log
[12:51] <selim> which would work as well, but I search for some more simpler way
[12:52] <Alternate> how does wake on lan work?
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> selim  fresh install is the most simple, fast and clean way
[12:54] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: wake-on-lan would be cool, basically i could boot it up from a phone/remote? i know i can get it out of standby with the space button on the keyboard (but that's probably not the same thing)
[12:55] <ZenoArrow> Alternate: Wake on LAN works by keeping the network adapter active whilst the rest of the machine is not, then when you receive a certain packet it switches the machine on. The motherboard needs to support it for it to work. Some motherboards also support Wake On Wlan.
[12:57] <ZenoArrow> ehhh: Pretty much, yes. It's different from getting it out of standby from just pressing space, as the computer is in a much lower power state when not in use with Wake on Lan.
[12:57] <selim> MonkeyDust: in this case it's not
[12:57] <Alternate> do you need a special router for that?
[12:58] <selim> MonkeyDust: it's a server an a reinstall would be to much stuff to care for afterwards
[12:58] <ehhh> ZenoArrow: I'll look into if it works once i get it up from the closet and running :) though i'll say that computer I don't think I've used it that much online (it doesn't have wifi, but i don't dread cables)
[12:58] <ZenoArrow> Alternate: No, you don't need a special router, your computer motherboard needs to support it, it's a BIOS setting.
[12:59] <Alternate> is there a channel where people talk about routers, acces points?
[12:59] <ZenoArrow> Alternate: What would you like to know?
[12:59] <anom> How can I remove empathy from 13.04?
 Can i send you  a pm?
[13:00] <ZenoArrow> Alternate: You could, but I'd prefer if you could just send me the message here.
[13:01] <auronandace> anom: why do you want to remove it?
[13:01] <anom> I never use it.
[13:01] <anom> I use skype.
[13:01] <auronandace> anom: no need to remove it
[13:02] <auronandace> anom: not like it takes up much space
[13:02] <_neural_> whats the command to start the upgrade manager and switch to the new release?
[13:02] <Biomechd> hey guys, i'm trying to update warzone 2100 to 3.1.0, but the instructions i was following don't work because apparently everything it needs "doesn't have an installation candidate"
[13:02] <jrib> !upgrade | _neural_
[13:02] <_neural_> thx
[13:03] <uhelp> Greetings:  I have Ubuntu 1204.2.  How do you take a screenshot?  I have a "special" button on the keyboard and expect "PrtSc" button to take a screenshot but .... it doesn't.
[13:04] <marcellux> I use Ksnapshot
[13:04] <Biomechd> uhelp: it should be screenshotting everything. mine does. of course, i'm a version ahead of you.
[13:04] <Biomechd> i just use the default screenshot program that came with it
[13:04] <uhelp> Biomechd: then I should file a bug in launchpad?
[13:04] <Biomechd> perhaps
[13:04] <marcellux> is it a laptop or a pc?
[13:04] <Biomechd> mine's a laptop
[13:04] <uhelp> marcellux: it is a laptop
[13:05] <marcellux> try to check the keyboard layout
[13:05] <uhelp> marcellux: how do I check it?
[13:05] <Biomechd> the install directions here don't work. how can i fix it? https://uniluug.org/wiki/Warzone_2100
[13:05] <tesqie> zenoarrow
[13:05] <marcellux> am using kubuntu, but I guess u can check that under settings
[13:06] <marcellux> or better yet, under keyboard shortcuts
[13:06] <tesqie> i tried it and it works when i boot but now my display doesnt work, how do i incorprate modeset=0?
[13:06] <adamk_> uhelp: Are you sure it didn't copy the screenshot to your clipboard?
[13:07] <uhelp> marcellux: I see "Keyboard Input Methods" ... but that doesn't sound like what you want.  Still looking ...
[13:07] <adamk_> tesqie: Setting modeset=0 is generally not a good idea unless you are trying to use proprietary drivers.  Can you log in at the console and pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.
[13:08] <tesqie> idk how
[13:08] <tesqie> but without modeset=0 i cannot install ubuntu or use it
[13:08] <uhelp> adamk_: If it did should I be able to paste it with ctrl-v in writer?
[13:08] <tesqie> cuz my radeon graphics card
[13:08] <tesqie> im trying to boot into ubuntu after installing it
[13:09] <uhelp> adamk_: (because CTRL-V in writer doesn't paste a screenshot)
[13:10] <hadifarnoud> my server is under DDoS attacks. I enabled fail2ban with default config. I just enabled all jails. is the default conf good enough? now I can't even resolve a host. https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/3d2aecbe064f3034fccb
[13:10] <uhelp> marcellux: I think I found where you wanted me to go.  You type gnome-control-center then you scroll down to "keyboard" then select the "Shortcuts" tab
[13:11] <adamk_> uhelp: OK, well I'd be disinclined to think that this is a bug, and more likely something not configured properly on your end.
[13:11] <marcellux> right
[13:11] <marcellux> try there to see if u can set your own shortcut to take snapshots
[13:11] <uhelp> adamk_: if something isn't configured correctly then it would seem to be a bug since I just installed 12.04.2 a few days ago
[13:12] <marcellux> if it's still not working, then you have a bug to report
[13:12] <adamk_> uhelp: I'd be more inclined to think it's something *you* did :-)
[13:12] <hadifarnoud> why is it all 0.0.0.0/0
[13:13] <everestt> "Drawing/Dingbat" fonts aren't working on my 13.04... the .ttf file is copied in my ~/.fonts folder... the file opens fine with the font viewer... but whenever I try to use the font from Libreoffice or any other application, it just shows english alphabets instead of the drawings! What's happening?
[13:13] <uhelp> adamk_: I changed the shortcut to Super L and it still doesn't work.
[13:14] <hadifarnoud> my server is under DDoS attacks. I enabled fail2ban with default config. I just enabled all jails. is the default conf good enough? now I can't even resolve a host. https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/3d2aecbe064f3034fccb perhaps I shouldn't use it for DNS?
[13:14] <everestt> btw, the default webdings font is working fine! Any other dingbat fonts I install aren't working.
[13:14] <uhelp> adamk_: I installed 12.04.2 then I installed gnome, mplayer, and a few others.  I really don't understand how this could mean I am at fault but it is very hard to rule out I didn't make a mistake without knowing it (if I knew it I wouldn't be here).
[13:15] <tesqie> how do i install ubuntu i keep getting a purple screen, im downloading it along side windows 8 uefi, been trying for days
[13:15] <ehhh> does anyone know how well windows communicates with ubuntu? say i run windows on my laptop (main comp) and ubuntu on my htpc and i want to ftp new files from the laptop to the htpc, would that be  a problem with a proper ftp client? (assuming ftp is the best sollution)
[13:15] <uhelp> adamk_: none of the others should have anything to do with taking a screen capture
[13:16] <adamk_> uhelp: Ubuntu 12.04 ships with gnome by default...  So what did you do to "install" it?
[13:17] <uhelp> adamk_: history | grep install shows ssh google-chrome-stable rep fastjar g++ mplayer ghc curl dpkg-dev lua5.2 libcurl-openssl-dev iotop iftop gnome mplayer
[13:17] <uhelp> adamk_: I type sudo apt-get install gnome
[13:17] <uhelp> adamk_: maybe this is a non-operation
[13:17] <tesqie> im trying to install ubuntu 13.04
[13:17] <uhelp> adamk_: also installed vmware --- but it isn't running now
[13:18] <uhelp> adamk_: (vmware player)
[13:19] <uhelp> adamk_: at the login I switched to gnome without effects.  I don't claim this has anything to do with my issue ... just tell so that everything is known.
[13:19] <Biomechd> i'm trying to run an install.sh file from the terminal after cd-ing to its directory, but ./install-sh just returns "no input file specified". what do i need to do to fix this?
[13:20] <hadifarnoud> my server is under DDoS attacks. I enabled fail2ban with default config. I just enabled all jails. is the default conf good enough? now I can't even resolve a host. https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/3d2aecbe064f3034fccb perhaps I shouldn't use it for DNS?
[13:21] <adamk_> uhelp: Did you check your keyboard layout?  Does the shortcut to a single simplekey, such as 'p'
[13:22] <uhelp> adamk_: BUG! I tried to switch back to using "PrtSc" button and it says "The shortcut "Print" is already used for "Take a screenshot"         If you reassign the shortcut to "Take a screenshot", the "Take a screenshot" shortcut will be disabled.
[13:22] <ehhh> if i want a external hard drive to be compatible with both windows and ubuntu, what should i use? (fat32, ext2/3 or ntfs?)
[13:23] <uhelp> adamk_: it was "Print" and I changed it (as you suggest) to "Super L" (*still didn't work) so I tried to change it back to "Print" which is when I get this error message
[13:24] <ThePendulum> ehhh: I'd recommend NTFS, although that won't give you high performance on Ubuntu
[13:24] <adamk_> uhelp: Honestly, this is the first time I'm hearing about this "bug"...  Did you install from a live CD?  Does it work from a live CD?
[13:24] <ThePendulum> ehhh: FAT32 has a filesize limit of 4GB
[13:25] <ThePendulum> And ext# isn't very compatible with Windows
[13:25] <uhelp> adamk_: i installed from the install DVD which I wasn't aware was different then the live DVD .... are they different?
[13:25] <ehhh> ThePendulum: it would probably be used for moving files across from this computer to the ubuntu computer. . unless ftp is a better option
[13:25] <uhelp> adamk_: I can boot into the DVD I installed from and try ... it may take me some minutes to do this but I will
[13:26] <k1l_> ehhh: go with ntfs
[13:26] <zephyr28> Has anyone been able to get ZoneMinder setup and working in 13.04?  I can't seem to find ANY instructions on setting it up that aren't a couple years old.
[13:26] <k1l_> ehhh: its compatible with most OS and the speed is not that bad as usb-speed is anyway
[13:26] <uhelp> adamk_: also I took a photo of the error with my phone.  I don't see how it could be other than a bug when it shows the shortcut is Super L but when I change it to Print it says Print is already assigned to Take a screenshot.
[13:27] <ThePendulum> My laptop has a fingerprint reader and it previously worked in Ubuntu
[13:27] <ThePendulum> Now I reinstalled Ubuntu, and I can't get the reader to work
[13:27] <uhelp> adamk_: How could it not be a bug?  Shouldn't a non-buggy Ubuntu claim Super L is not assigned to Take a screenshot OR claim Print is assigned but not both at once on the same screen?
[13:28] <ehhh> k1l_: yes i've been using ntfs as standard for years since fat32 won't support bigger files, say if the sole purpose was to move smaller files though (like music (say 50-100 mb per song), would NTFS still be the best option?
[13:29] <adamk_> uhelp: Unless you somehow did something to assign printscreen somewhere else. I'm not saying this isn't necessarily a bug, I'm just trying to figure out what you did to trigger it :-)
[13:29] <ehhh> i have several ext hdds :P
[13:29] <ehhh> external *
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: ntfs is good if you need to have the data accessibe in Windows
[13:30] <ehhh> cool, cross platform is always a plus :)
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: well, windows can only access few file systems, so you need to accommodate
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: alternatively, use ext4 and setup an sftp server and access the storage securely over WAN
[13:32] <mic1980> good day to all
[13:32] <uhelp> adamk_: I don
[13:33] <uhelp> adamk_: I don't want to file some false bugs but I don't see how this could be anything else.  Please look at this image http://imgur.com/Z9xFt7H,W4J1Rdl and explain to me the way it isn't a bug.
[13:33] <mic1980> is anyone interested in helping me in detail walk me through a dual boot configuration to my specific needs
[13:33] <ehhh> ActionParsnip: yes i'd rather run linux on all my computers but at this time i need something to produce music on and linux doesn't do it for me, i most want a mac :P would you recommend ftp over an external?
[13:33] <mydog2409> anyone know how to install the backports ?
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: its my preference, i have my fileserver on 24/7 so it is accessible
[13:34] <uhelp> adamk_: Notice there are TWO shortcuts to take a screenshot  .... how is it possible?  I never created the second.  I only assigned from Print to Super L not make a duplicate.
[13:35] <ehhh> ActionParsnip: your fileserver, is it a hdd/nas connected to your router or?
[13:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> question: with the 1.7 version of oracle java its actually openjdk compliant now, right? I recall someone saying that on some channel
[13:35] <mustafa> rm -rf /usr/lib/asterisk/modules  is thatright to delet the modules  form old versıon of asterisk?
[13:36] <uhelp> adamk_: Why didn't it give me some error when I assigned Super L if duplicates are a problem instead of creating one?  I wish you to tell me you also feel it is a bug if you do but if you do not I will wait to listen to rule out any flaw I may have created.
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: they are different products
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: its a low end PC with storage running openssh-server
[13:38] <ehhh> ActionParsnip: cool, afaik NAS drives are low end computers i think? they atleast state the ghz they're running on and stuff (mount drives)
 rm -rf /usr/lib/asterisk/modules  is thatright to delet the modules  form old versıon of asterisk?
[13:38] <mic1980> ive tried multiple methods of installing 12.04 on 1 of 2 separate physical hard drives with no success to reach the goal i wish for
[13:40] <mic1980> the installation is successful but not to the end goal im aiming for
[13:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: what is your end goal?
[13:42] <mic1980> my end goal is using drive 1 for xp and drive 2 for ubuntu with dual boot in place but ive run into problems getting to the dual boot part
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> ehhh: if the data is available, who cares :)
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: i'd use 1 drive for both OSes then use the 2nd drive as pure user data
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: makes backup easier too :)
[13:43] <mic1980> makes sense, but can drive 2 be used for data for both xp and ubuntu shared
[13:45] <ehhh> ActionParsnip: agree on that, using what's available is the simplest way to get it going :P
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> mic1980  sure, make it a fat drive, so both windows and linux can read it
[13:46] <mic1980> also makes sense, but fat is not very reliable would you not agree
[13:47] <mic1980> also fat has limitations for file size limits
[13:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: how good is your pc? I personally keep a winxp vm for testing builds of my current project on windows, and a 16gb vdi and 1gb ram allocated to it is more than enough
[13:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> not to mention you don't have to reboot to access said os.
[13:48] <mic1980> well its pretty good, 3 ghz processor, 2 gb ram and for playing with linux and xp 2 80 gb satas
[13:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: why don't you just give a virtualbox vm of winxp a shot? it does the trick for me :P
[13:52] <mic1980> well to be honest, im trying to learn the very basics as you may recall from previous conversations or not, and want to gradually become more aquainted with linux. and i could use the machine for strictly linux but dont want to waste the key code for xp so hence dual boot. the other reason is trying to work with the normal defaults set in the ubuntu setup disk and understand both options and limitations for setup
[13:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: this is my pc, and it the arrangement I described works pretty well: CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon II X2 240e (-MCP-) clocked at 800.000 Mhz Kernel~3.2.0-48-generic x86_64 Up~8:09 Mem~1059.0/2943.5MB HDD~500.1GB(30.8% used) Procs~166 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.8.4
[13:54] <adamk_> uhelp: OK, if it's showing two entries for printscreen by default, that really does sound like a bug.
[13:54] <mic1980> at some point id like to get to the learning stage of vm with ubuntu, but not sure my tiny brain can handle that right now lol
[13:55] <thebrush> hellopat, is there someone that use winexe? I couldn't find server part (only the client that I already installed in my Pangolin.
[13:55] <thebrush> )
[13:55] <mic1980> tell did i hear correctly that linux uses something called x-fat and is it not suppose to be more reliable
[13:56] <GrygrFlzr> don't you mean exFAT?
[13:56] <mic1980> see the novice is showing in me. lol
[13:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: its actually not so hard, lol. its just like installing xp on a normal machine, in truth. format the partitions right, install, validate, done.
[13:57] <mic1980> only heard it verbally from a friend who recommend that i play around with linux and recommend ubuntu
[13:57] <GrygrFlzr> and that is actually a microsoft filesystem afaik
[13:57] <mic1980> your talking vm right
[13:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: I believe you mean the ext4 filesystem
[13:58] <GrygrFlzr> vm is even easier
[13:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: yeah, super easy.
[13:59] <berryciderspider> guys is there any way to access the page info -> media using python?
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> berryciderspider: I'd ask in #python too :)
[13:59] <mic1980> well action had suggested, and a very good suggestion to setup both xp and linux dual boot on drive 1 and make drive 2 fat, so i was thinking of doing this. but wanted to maybe ask if i would be better using ex-fat to format drive 2 than typical fat32 from windows
[14:00] <th0r> mic1980, I wouldn't suggest exfat, but ntfs would be a good choice
[14:01] <bashturd> article I read over the weekend discussing exFat http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/review-is-microsofts-new-data-sharing-system-a-cross-platform-savior/
[14:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: just know one thing, vanilla windows cannot read ext filesystems (read: linux partitions). there are things you can install in it to make able to
[14:01] <mic1980> so linux recognizes ntfs then, good
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: both OSes can read and write NTFS, I'd use that
[14:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: linux recognizes everything, I believe. linux to windows is easy, but the other way around, not so much :p
[14:02] <th0r> mic1980, I have installed exfat support on my xp vm, but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. But since it is a last minute 'add-on' to xp, I don't trust it
[14:02] <mic1980> ya i read that in setting up partitions etc
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: keep your actual home folder in ext4 as this is required, but your casual user data can sit on NTFS. Only down side is that sharing NTFS using Samba isnt easy
[14:02] <deanrock0> NTFS support on Linux is a lot better than ext support on windows
[14:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> ^ this
[14:03] <mic1980> well for right now, since i dont know enough about linux yet, its just to learn and play with for a few weeks to get aquainted and experiment with.
[14:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: heh, its a quick learn, assuming you are not afraid of the terminal prompt (think cmd.exe)
[14:04] <mic1980> not afraid of term but from what i can see, learning the terminology is substantial
[14:04] <deanrock0> (it resembles cmd.exe, but it's nothing like it)
[14:04] <CalimeroTeknik> how can I not install firefox-locale-fr when installing language-pack-fr on a server?
[14:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> deanrock0: yeah, I just wanted to give him something he may recognise as a reference :P
[14:05] <mic1980> basically an old dos man from years back so not much different that way, but terminology is by far different
[14:06] <deanrock0> cmd is something that forced me off the Windows :)
[14:06] <mic1980> so my next question
[14:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, lol. I find when I'm using cmd.exe in my winxp vm I have a tendency to try to use bash commands XD
[14:06] <GrygrFlzr> ntzrmtthihu777, likewise from winxp to ubuntu/debian.
[14:07]  * GrygrFlzr has yet to experience ubuntu fully because it derps in one way or another
[14:08] <deanrock0> powershell is a bit better - it supports basic linux commands
[14:08] <mic1980> drive 2 is bare bones now. nothing on it, not even formatted. just zero'ed out. do you recommend that i just go ahead and format drive 2 ntfs via xp or leave it and wait til after dual boot installed and use linux to format
[14:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> deanrock0: heh, I just ended up installing cygwin XD
[14:10] <deanrock0> i wonder why you need linux commands on windows vm
[14:10] <colbabomb> hello, i would like to delete windows vista and have ubuntu take my whole drive without uninstalling, how would i do that
[14:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> deanrock0: because this is the environment i'm confortable with, lol
[14:10] <deanrock0> mic1980: do you already have windows installed?
[14:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> colbabomb: gparted on a live cd is your friend ;)
[14:10] <mic1980> ya on dirve 1 nothing else. clean install
[14:11] <GrygrFlzr> colbabomb, what do you mean 'without uninstalling'?
[14:11] <deanrock0> mic1980: you want to install ubuntu on 1 or 2 drive?
[14:11] <GrygrFlzr> simply reformat if you want linux to take the whole drive
[14:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> GrygrFlzr: I believe he means reinstalling ubuntu
[14:11] <GrygrFlzr> ah
[14:11] <colbabomb> i already have windows and ubuntu on dual boot, i dont want to format but to extend partition that ubuntu is on, how can i do this safely
[14:12] <pyasi> guys internet doesn't work in my laptop while booting from a live cd
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: how do you connect to the web?
[14:12] <deanrock0> colbabomb: GParted Live CD/USB, delete windows partition with it and extend linux partition
[14:12] <mic1980> well originally was going to try to setup linux on drive 2 but my attempts to get dual boot to work did not work, so wiped drive start again. action had suggested just going typical dual boot from drive 1 then formatting drive 2 to ntfs use as data drive for both
[14:12] <mic1980> i like that idea
[14:12] <pyasi> from Windows which is pre-installed
[14:12] <kari-x> hey all
[14:13] <deanrock0> colbabomb: be aware that such operation is not guaranteed to be save; it probably wont fail, but you still want to have a backup
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: makes sense, also put swap and windows pagefile and temp in the other drive, extra speed
[14:13] <pyasi> in the live cd i can open the router's homepage 192.168.0.1 but can't run a site
[14:13] <colbabomb> deanrock0: ill do that when saucy salamander comes or next LTS, thanks
[14:13] <FourFire> Hello, what is the "best" open source sound player, with noise filtering features ?
[14:14] <deanrock0> mic1980; if you have two partitions on 1 drive, just install linux on second partition, and reformat second drive after installation
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> FourFire: there is no single best
[14:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> !best | FourFire
[14:14] <FourFire> Then what is the best filter one (preferably with a GUI) ?
[14:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> !best | FourFire
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf > /dev/null
[14:14] <deanrock0> pyasi: wlan or lan?
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: you now have web access
[14:14] <colbabomb> also how do i remove the windows part in the GRUB boot loader
[14:15] <pyasi> deanrock0: wlan
[14:15] <mic1980> i take it that it matters not if i use xp or linux to format drive 2 to ntfs same file system regardless right
[14:15] <FourFire> Ok thanks
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: if you can access the IP of the router you have web access, you will probably be just failing DNS
[14:15] <pyasi> ActionParsnip: should i have to run that in a terminal??
[14:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> colbabomb: sudo update-grub after its gone and it should go away ;)
[14:15] <deanrock0> colbabomb: sudo update-grub
[14:15] <deanrock0> mic1980: you are right, it doesnt matter
[14:16] <colbabomb> alright thanks
[14:16] <pyasi> ActionParsnip: but the internet works in the windows, i am using adsl from the telephone line
[14:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> pyasi: yeah, thats a terminal command
[14:16] <FourFire> well audacity it is then
[14:17] <deanrock0> btw is there a music player with equalizer?
[14:17] <mic1980> last question for now ....lol. incidentally you folks have been a great help, thanks. so last question. for my basic purposes since im going to use drive  1 as dual o/s do you think for the moment 40 gig shared space each would be enough to play around with
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: yes run it in a terminal. Seems the dns is a bit funny in Ubuntu, that command will set a DNS server for you
[14:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> mic1980: plenty, lol
[14:17] <mic1980> great folks thanks for all your help for now. im sure ill be back soon.
[14:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: yeah, I set the google public dns servers as my router's default, which made a hell of a lot of difference
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: sweet, if you use namebench you can see what is closer and more responsive for you and you can set that, lots of fun
[14:18] <pyasi> ActionParsnip: ok man i will try
[14:19] <fasd> i use gparted to resize ntfs and now the ntfs is not bootable no more and the gparted tool say that i need to run chkdsk/f twice under windows
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: its only in the livecd too, so changes will be lost on reboot :)
[14:19] <fasd> but i can't boot to winodow how to solve it
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> fasd: use a windows CD
[14:19] <GrygrFlzr> fasd: run the windows recovery tool from the cd ^
[14:19] <fasd> i dont have one
[14:20] <fasd> laptop doesn't come with one
[14:20] <GrygrFlzr> also, it's usually not a good idea to use gparted to resize ntfs, you should let windows do that
[14:20] <fasd> gparted doesnt say anyting abut ntfs
[14:20] <deanrock0> use linux live cd, install ntfs-tools and try ntfsfix
[14:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: yeah, but my router is crap, lol. have a google at the nvg510 and let the horror begin
[14:20] <pyasi> ActionParsnip: ok man , i am rebooting ok
[14:20] <fasd> it should warn user
[14:21] <deanrock0> fasd: ntfsfix might fix a problem
[14:21] <deanrock0> fasd: gparted works in most cases, but sometimes it fails
[14:21] <fasd> ntfsfix is ubuntu app or windows
[14:21] <deanrock0> ubuntu
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> pyasi: why reboot?
[14:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone know how to fix a broken usb stick? a botched dd command stuck it as a read-only filesystem, and I can't even format it with gparted now *rage*
[14:22] <deanrock0> ntzrmtthihu777: create mbr partiton table with gparted
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: use dban on it
[14:22] <jeff__> I got a strange ssh issue. When I attempt to connect to my ubuntu server i.e. ssh SERVERNAME, it actually connects to localhost!  I looked in /etc/hosts and .ssh/conf there is nothign for that sever. Any idea what could be causing it to connect to localhost over the actual host?
[14:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: dban?
[14:23] <deanrock0> jeff__: ping SERVERNAME?
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: is it the same name?
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: yes dban
[14:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> deanrock0: gparted cant do anything to it, as far as I can figure XD
[14:23] <deanrock0> ntzrmtthihu777: even creating new partition table? that sucks
[14:24] <KriSHanSin> I ran the indicator session show real name on panel line but it doesnt show up. i have ubuntu tweak installed though, could that be blocking it from showing?
[14:24] <smoke_> im having some problems with ac3 in dvdstyler, and on an ubuntu forum it says to get the newesdt version of ffmpeg to fix it, what ppa should i use? the jons one?
[14:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> I've tried every trick I know, but no dice :/
[14:24] <smoke_> im running 13.04
[14:24] <c2tarun> I just posted a tutorial, which can be useful to some Iphone owners: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2157148&p=12704475#post12704475   just wanted to share.
[14:24] <deanrock0> ntzrmtthihu777: although i don't know it, just try dban
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: if all else fails, shove it next to a arge magnet and kill all data
[14:25] <Semen_Dickman> is ubuntu some kind of code for gay ?
[14:25] <Semen_Dickman> gay sex?>
[14:25] <FloodBot1> Semen_Dickman: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:25] <g0th> hi
[14:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> man we get all types of trolls :/
[14:25] <g0th> hi
[14:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: sup. what can we help you with?
[14:26] <jeff__> when I connect    The authenticity of host 'HOSTNAME (::1)' can't be established.
[14:26] <deanrock0> jeff__: looks like HOSTNAME is somehow linked to localhost
[14:26] <g0th> I have a mounted cifs share and inside that share I accidently copied some stuff to a folder backup/backup instead of to backup/ directly
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: what if you nslookup the name?
[14:26] <g0th> so now I have stuff in backup and in backup/backup
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> g0th: cd /path/to/first/backup; cp ./backup/* .
[14:27] <g0th> how can I move/copy the stuff in backup/backup/ to backup/?
[14:27] <jeff__> nslookup does show localhost... that's dns?  because ping works find
[14:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> deanrock0: so what should I have done in gparted?
[14:27] <jeff__> fen
[14:27] <jeff__> fine
[14:27] <g0th> there are already 2TB of data in backup/
[14:27] <g0th> and another ~1TB of data in backup/backup/
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: if you add the resolution in /etc/hosts is it ok?
[14:27] <g0th> so I just want to move/copy the difference
[14:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: cd backup; mv backup/* .
[14:27] <KriSHanSin> show user name on panel for 12.04 lts not working. any one have this issue?
[14:28] <g0th> ntzrmtthihu777: how is that supposed to work? the folders aleady exist
[14:28] <g0th> I tried to use rsync
[14:28] <g0th> but it somehow doesn't work with cifs
[14:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: it will move the contents of backup.... oh wait, you mean backup and backup/backup have the same folders?
[14:29] <MonkeyDust> g0th  rsync -a copies only what's changed, it's called 'incremental'
[14:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> oh wow, I think the usb stick somehow fixed itself 0_0
[14:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> What filesystem is a liveusb supposed to be?
[14:31] <CalimeroTeknik> any.
[14:31] <auronandace> ntzrmtthihu777: usually fat32
[14:31] <CalimeroTeknik> you'll find UDF, ext2, vfat…
[14:31] <g0th> MonkeyDust, ntzrmtthihu777: when I use rsync my system frooze I wasn't even able to kill the rsync process
[14:31] <auronandace> ntzrmtthihu777: oops, sorry, i thought you meant a normal usb stick (not a live system)
[14:31] <KriSHanSin> ntzrmtthihu777: w95 FAT 32 bootable
[14:31] <g0th> I did a reboot (which also failed) so I just pressed the power button
[14:31] <g0th> then it finally booted
[14:32] <g0th> and now it's fine again I hope
[14:32] <deanrock0> ntzrmtthihu777: ubuntu has some kind of usb installer that should also work with other iso files
[14:32] <g0th> by "frooze" I mean nothing related to the cifs share worked anymore
[14:32] <deanrock0> ntzrmtthihu777: or you can just dd in most cases
[14:32] <CalimeroTeknik> is there a command to import the repos' keys or something? I just ran debootstrap to get a minimal ubuntu 12.04 install, but I get "WARNING: packages cannot be authenticated!" when I chroot and want to install something
[14:33] <g0th> is there a similar command like rsync for "moving" files?
[14:33] <g0th> so I don't have to copy 1TB?
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> g0th  rsync is the fastest, easiest and most versatile way
[14:34] <cloneG> hi there
[14:34] <cloneG> http://askubuntu.com/questions/155151/how-to-set-multiple-timezones-in-gnome-classic
[14:34] <CalimeroTeknik> rsync is what you want; if it isn't, there is no answer
[14:34] <g0th> MonkeyDust: but it _copies_ the data
[14:34] <g0th> ok so I guess I can just copy them
[14:34] <cloneG> I would like to add some more date time locations to my indicator applet
[14:34] <g0th> not move them
[14:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> deanrock0: yeah, I use it all the time, but this is after finally getting this damn usb stick working again :P
[14:35] <g0th> if I want to move them I'd have to do it manually
[14:35] <g0th> maybe by writing some script
[14:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: would not be too hard of a bash script, you know :P
[14:35] <cloneG> my indicator applet is not as complete as the one in this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/155151/how-to-set-multiple-timezones-in-gnome-classic
[14:35] <ikonia> g0th: there is a "delete source" option for rsync
[14:35] <cloneG> using ubuntu 12.04 gnome session fallback macosx lion them
[14:35] <cloneG> theme
[14:36] <ikonia> g0th: so as it copies them it removes the source
[14:36] <g0th> which doesn't help ^
[14:36] <g0th> the point was to save time by just moving files
[14:36] <ikonia> cloneG: suggest you disable the theme and go back to stanrd theme and test it
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> g0th  try rsync -a --delete [from] [to]
[14:36] <ikonia> g0th: copy+remove source = move
[14:36] <g0th> ah :)
[14:36] <g0th> so it does move them
[14:36] <cloneG> done not working
[14:36] <g0th> that's very nice to know
[14:37] <CalimeroTeknik> will it really just mv the files?
[14:37] <ikonia> CalimeroTeknik: no
[14:37] <cloneG> it seems I have not the same applet installed
[14:37] <ikonia> CalimeroTeknik: it will copy them and remove the source
[14:37] <cloneG> how do I install clock applet?
[14:37] <g0th> mv bigfile bigfile2 => instant, cp bigfile bigfile2 => very slow
[14:37] <ikonia> g0th: no it doesn't
[14:37] <ikonia> g0th: it's because it's doing a checksum
[14:37] <jlebrech> what's the command to mount an external hdd with write permissions?
[14:37] <ikonia> g0th: that is the real delay, which with 1TB of data you want to do
[14:37] <g0th> ikonia: I put --size-only
[14:38] <ikonia> g0th: ok - then just "mv direcotory new_place"
[14:38] <CalimeroTeknik> jlebrech, you're willing to mount an NTFS filesystem.
[14:38] <CalimeroTeknik> install ntfs-3g.
[14:38] <g0th> ikonia: but the new place contains the same directories
[14:38] <ikonia> g0th: rm old directories
[14:38] <g0th> they are already filled up to 2TB
[14:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> ikonia: I believe g0th has a matching dir tree in backup and backup/backup, would this not be a problem?
[14:39] <CalimeroTeknik> this is specific to NTFS, jlebrech, there is no driver that supports writing, so you have to use ntfs-3g
[14:39] <g0th> I just wanted to know how to "rsync move" files
[14:39] <ikonia> ntzrmtthihu777: not with flags such as "-f"
[14:39] <ikonia> g0th: yes, and I've just told you how to do it, but you are complaining it's too slow
[14:39] <g0th> ikonia: ok I will copy them
[14:39] <CalimeroTeknik> ikonia, you didn't, your command copies then deletes
[14:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: you could use fdupes to delete all the exact duplicate files first and try it then :)
[14:39] <CalimeroTeknik> it doesn't move
[14:39] <ikonia> CalimeroTeknik: that is the move
[14:40] <CalimeroTeknik> yes, but imagine the space for the file isn't even available on the disk
[14:40] <ikonia> ntzrmtthihu777: -n will stop existing files being overwritten with a mv
[14:40] <usuario> aiara fernanda kotula maizuk
[14:40] <CalimeroTeknik> then your command will fail out of disk space, and mv will work
[14:40] <ikonia> CalimeroTeknik: it doesn't use the space, as it deletes as ti copies
[14:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: hell fdupes is an awesome tool anyways, lol.
[14:40] <g0th> but it doesn't solve the issue
[14:40] <KriSHanSin> how do i get ubuntu one back if i purged it ?
[14:41] <g0th> two issues: first of copy might require too much space (solved by deleting source), 2nd issue: when I rsync dir2 to dir1 the time is linear in the amount of data to copy
[14:41] <CalimeroTeknik> what? does it gradually resize the file, ikonia ? afaik it's deleted in the end.
[14:41] <g0th> if I would move the files it is essentially instant
[14:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> it would probly take a while due to the size of the drive, but it would delete all exact duplicate files, freeing up some (and maybe alot of) space, making the cp/del command work right
[14:41] <ikonia> g0th: but then it wouldn't do any of the things you want such as comparing against what's there or not deleting the original
[14:41] <KriSHanSin> oh wait i got it
[14:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: here, lemme ssh in and I'll fix it for you ;) XD
[14:41] <ikonia> g0th: just do a mv -n if you don't want to overwrite
[14:42] <ikonia> g0th: you have to accept that "mv" is different than what you want so stop comparing it
[14:42] <g0th> hmm can "mv" move a folder "on top" of a folder which has the same layout?
[14:42] <ikonia> g0th: not withtout overwriting it
[14:42] <CalimeroTeknik> only cp -r can do that
[14:42] <g0th> overwriting is ok
[14:42] <ikonia> g0th: then yes
[14:42] <ikonia> g0th: man mv
[14:42] <ikonia> mv -f
[14:42] <g0th> just not deleting stuff
[14:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> g0th: nah, if they have the same name it should place the moved folder into the other one
[14:43] <g0th> "only delete by overwriting"
[14:43] <ikonia> g0th: what ?
[14:43] <g0th> dir1/a, dir1/b,  dir2/a, dir2/b   how can I "move" dir1 to dir2?
[14:44] <ikonia> g0th: mv -f dir1 dir2
[14:44] <g0th> and what will that do?
[14:44] <overdub> g0th, maybe you want to use rsync instead, then delete the originals?
[14:44] <g0th> doing it right now
[14:44] <g0th> eta is a week
[14:44] <CalimeroTeknik> it does indeed work if you use mv -f, g0th
[14:44] <ikonia> g0th: no it' snot
[14:44] <ThePendulum> The fingerprint reader no longer works in Ubuntu, it isn't detected by Fingerprint-gui. Any ideas?
[14:44] <ikonia> g0th: man mv
[14:44] <g0th> CalimeroTeknik: thanks!
[14:45] <CalimeroTeknik> wait, mv -f isn't recursive
[14:45] <CalimeroTeknik> it will just error
[14:45] <g0th> so what I will do is:  "mv -f backup/backup/ backup/" and then I "rsync -avP --size-only  original_source/ backup/" ?
[14:45] <g0th> arg
[14:45] <CalimeroTeknik> it won't hurt, but it just won't work
[14:45] <g0th> taht's what I though
[14:46] <g0th> that is an interesting problem
[14:46] <ikonia> it's not a problem
[14:46] <g0th> is there no "rsync with move capabilities"?
[14:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> how does one use dd to make a live usb of an ubuntu iso?
[14:46] <ikonia> g0th: rsync = syncronize not move
[14:46] <g0th> so there is not?
[14:46] <ikonia> g0th: you've been given 3 - 4 options to resolve your problem, and you find off problems with them
[14:46] <CalimeroTeknik> well, I understand g0th's issue ikonia, it's performance, not result
[14:47] <g0th> ikonia: yeah nothing of the 3-4 options solves the issue
[14:47] <ikonia> g0th: they do
[14:47] <CalimeroTeknik> well actually the result can also be unidentiical if a file is bigger than the remaining disk space
[14:47] <CalimeroTeknik> ^ ikonia
[14:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> ikonia: you're too arrogant. what part of not working to how g0th needs it don't you get? they are the one sitting at the pc viewing the issue, and are in best position to say what does or does not work in said situation.
[14:48] <CalimeroTeknik> copying a file needs two times the disk space for it.
[14:48] <g0th> I mean my problem is a valid one, and I guess there is simply no available solution, so I just stick to the slower solution which works but just takes more time
[14:48] <ikonia> ntzrmtthihu777: then explain to me how it's not workoing
[14:48] <g0th> I was just curious if it was possible which is imo a valid question
[14:48] <ikonia> ntzrmtthihu777: if you understand why none of the solutions are not working for him are not working, please enlighten me
[14:49] <CalimeroTeknik> ikonia, I tested it → using rsync with -delete option needs to have as much free FS space as the file is big.
[14:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> ikonia: I don;t need to, g0th did. and I can't, as I'm not sitting at said pc.
[14:49] <ikonia> ntzrmtthihu777: yes, and the reasons he's given for not working don't make sense - hence why I'm questioning them
[14:49] <Walex2> g0th: was loking at your previous messages briefly...
[14:49] <ikonia> ntzrmtthihu777: hence why I'm saying "stop comparing your problem to "mv"" as it's not the same situation
[14:49] <CalimeroTeknik> ikonia, you ignoring me?
[14:49] <g0th> ikonia: all solutions involved copying a file or some usage of "mv" that does not work recusively
[14:49] <ikonia> CalimeroTeknik: no
[14:49] <Walex2> g0th: your main problem is that "eta is a week
[14:49] <ikonia> g0th: mv will work recurisvly if you copy the top folder, it takes all the children with it
[14:50] <Walex2> g0th: can you restate briefly your issue for me, giving the number of entities involved and the storage system profile?
[14:50] <g0th> ikonia: I have essentially two almost identical directory hierarchies, how can I "move one into the other"? it doesn't seem to work with "mv -f"
[14:50] <CalimeroTeknik> ikonia, if the subfolders already exist it won't merge the contents
[14:51] <ikonia> CalimeroTeknik: mv is not a "merge" tool, hence why I keep saying "stop comparing it to mv"
[14:51] <Walex2> g0th: you want to *merge* the two tree, directory-by-directory?
[14:51] <leehambley> I'm looking for a way to image a system that is already installed (to save time) and prepare that image as a re-installable image, is that possible?
[14:51] <CalimeroTeknik> yep. so we have no solution to the problem.
[14:51] <ikonia> g0th: that's merging - that's not moving, that's why I keep saying "stop comparing to mv"
[14:51] <g0th> Walex2: yes essentially
[14:51] <Walex2> g0th: how many files and directories are you trying to merge?
[14:51] <g0th> Walex2: well in essence I want the same result as rsync but without copying instead with moving
[14:52] <g0th> Walex2: roughly 2 TB
[14:52] <Walex2> g0th: BTW the *obvious* solution is 'cp -al' or 'cp -alf'.
[14:52] <CalimeroTeknik> cp -a is enough
[14:52] <g0th> but that will take a looong time
[14:52] <CalimeroTeknik> however it needs the disk space and time
[14:52] <ikonia> Walex2: copy is unacceptble - has to be move.......for him
[14:52] <Walex2> CalimeroTeknik: 'cp -a' not move, it copies.
[14:52] <g0th> and it will require twice the amount of disc space
[14:52] <Walex2> ikonia: 'man cp'
[14:52] <g0th> and how does it merge?
[14:52] <ikonia> Walex2: I know how to use cp
[14:52] <CalimeroTeknik> I just said so, Walex2
[14:53] <g0th> well it's fine I will just wait a little longer
[14:53] <Walex2> g0th: what you do is merge-by-linking, and then you remove te original.
[14:53] <g0th> now I'm just curious if it is possible
[14:53] <g0th> am I not allowed to be curious?
[14:53] <Walex2> g0th: but the issue is not how to do it, it is the speed.
[14:53] <g0th> yes!
[14:53] <g0th> the move command is fast
[14:53] <g0th> the copy command is slow
[14:53] <CalimeroTeknik> you're going to have to use find -exec mv
[14:54] <Walex2> g0th: please read 'man cp'.
[14:54] <Walex2> CalimeroTeknik: please read 'man cp' as 'find -exec mv' does something quite different
[14:54] <CalimeroTeknik> Walex2, man cp is of no use for this case
[14:55] <ikonia> CalimeroTeknik: it is, if you read what's being suggested
[14:55] <ikonia> but as the focus just keeps being told "no I want to move", it's pointless to discuss it
[14:55] <Walex2> CalimeroTeknik: please read 'man pc', option '-l, --link'
[14:55] <CalimeroTeknik> oh, yeah
[14:55] <CalimeroTeknik> that is one neat idea
[14:55] <Walex2> ahhhh :-)
[14:55] <chamunks> how do i add openvpn to this list http://imgur.com/zW6MAPK
[14:56] <g0th> hmm it is on a cifs share
[14:56] <g0th> I don't think hard links work?
[14:56] <CalimeroTeknik> ha ha. use a real FS
[14:56] <g0th> its on a NAS
[14:56] <Walex2> g0th: are souce and destination in the same filesystem?
[14:56] <CalimeroTeknik> ssh the NAS
[14:56] <g0th> yes
[14:56] <Walex2> g0th: then hadlinking works...
[14:56] <CalimeroTeknik> even over cifs ?
[14:56] <g0th> hmm, ok I can try
[14:57] <CalimeroTeknik> I thought you tried and it didn't work
[14:57] <utusan> how can move be faster than copy? when move is 'copy then delete'?
[14:57] <g0th> but still, does recursive cp work?
[14:57] <g0th> I would need to use rsync with hardlink?
[14:57] <g0th> no?
[14:57] <CalimeroTeknik> utusan, move just creates a reference to an inode
[14:57] <g0th> I am still very suspicious if recursive copy work as intended
[14:57] <Walex2> utusan: 'move' means 'link'+'unlink'
[14:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> beware botched find commands, lol. I deleted the entire contents of a usb with it, fortunately I was able to recover the contents
[14:57] <CalimeroTeknik> with copy, a new inode is created and the contents of the file are duplicated, utusan
[14:57] <Walex2> utusan: 'cp -al' means 'recursive link', then one can do 'recursive unlink'
[14:58] <g0th> e.g. dir1/a/file1, dir1/a/file2 dir2/a/file1 dir2/a/file3, if I "cp -rl dir2 dir1" what will I get?
[14:59] <ikonia> g0th: just do a while loop and use "mv"
[14:59] <Walex2> g0th: you will get 'file1', 'file2', 'file3' in 'dir2/a/',
[14:59] <ikonia> it's getting tedious now
[14:59] <CalimeroTeknik> how do I solve "WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated!" ?
[14:59] <Walex2> g0th: note that files with the same name in the same directory will cause ambifuity.
[14:59] <g0th> ikonia: that's finally something that probably works, but the specifics of the while loop are missing
[14:59] <CalimeroTeknik> it's a fresh chroot made with debootstrap
[14:59] <g0th> Walex2: I guess with -n then not
[15:00] <utusan> CalimeroTeknik: makes sense :)
[15:00] <CalimeroTeknik> I reckon it doesn't have signature keys
[15:00] <g0th> Why doesn't the same work with mv?
[15:00] <qkit> morning
[15:00] <Walex2> g0th: your options are '-f', '-n' or '-b'
[15:00] <g0th> why do I need to cpy with hard link instead of issuing the same command with mv?
[15:00] <g0th> -f?
[15:00] <CalimeroTeknik> g0th, same result anyway.
[15:01] <CalimeroTeknik> references have almost no cost
[15:01] <Walex2> g0th: your options are '-f', '-n', -i' or '-b'
[15:01] <qkit> guys how can i install a pacakge by turning on some feature? rather then install from source?
[15:01] <g0th> I don't get -b if I have -n?
[15:01] <Walex2> qkit: use the package manager of your choice.
[15:01] <g0th> also I don't get -i with -n
[15:01] <g0th> and why do I need -f?
[15:01] <g0th> I don't want to remove anything
[15:01] <Walex2> g0th: well, they are *alternatives* with different effects.
[15:01] <qkit> i use apt-get does it come with option where by i can turn on some feature when it install the package?
[15:01] <g0th> ah!
[15:01] <g0th> -n then
[15:02] <g0th> mv -ran dir2 dir1?
[15:02] <Walex2> qkit: what kind of features do you mean?
[15:02] <CalimeroTeknik> recompile, qkit. run debcheckout packagename
[15:02] <qkit> oh
[15:02] <genii> qkit: Usually you configure whatever apps get installed by their configuration file in the /etc directory
[15:02] <g0th> mv -an dir2 dir1
[15:02] <Walex2> g0th: 'mv' does not have an '-r' option
[15:02] <CalimeroTeknik> but  then it's a living hell, debian's packaging is extremely difficult qkit.
[15:02] <qkit> i try to --enable-storeio=coss in my squid3 , but i found the default installation in squid3 doesnt come with --enable-storeio=coss
[15:03] <g0th> oh
[15:03] <g0th> so that's why I can't use mv
[15:03] <g0th> so I do cp -ranl dir2 dir1; rm -r dir2?
[15:03] <Walex2> g0th: you have to use 'cp -r -l ....' and them 'rm -r ...'
[15:03] <Walex2> g0th: yes, but if you do that you lose the files in 'dir1' that have the same path in 'dir2'.
[15:03] <g0th> and hope that it works with cifs
[15:04] <utusan> qkit: try re-building pkg yourself
[15:04] <g0th> Walex2: why? I use -n?
[15:04] <CalimeroTeknik> qkit, you can look for the target "override_dh_auto_configure:" in debian/rules (create it if it doesn't exist) and change thee options then run dpkg-buildpackage -b
[15:04] <qkit> utusan: err...any good links for that
[15:04] <CalimeroTeknik> *hope* it will work. speaking from two weeks of experience of debian packaging
[15:05] <qkit> errr..where can i find this target "override_dh_auto_configure:" ? was it the config in the source package?
[15:05] <Walex2> g0th: if you use '-n' then any files in 'dir1' that have the same name do not get linked over, and when you remove 'dir1' they get deleted too, because they are not linked in 'dir2'
[15:05] <utusan> qkit search re-building deb package
[15:05] <qkit> thanks utusan
[15:05] <g0th> Walex2: I remove dir2
[15:05] <Walex2> g0th: BTW, is this CIFS from a Samba server or a MS-Windows server
[15:05] <CalimeroTeknik> qkit, I told you, it's in debian/rules
[15:05] <g0th> samba server
[15:05] <CalimeroTeknik> qkit, I said run debchechout package
[15:05] <Walex2> g0th: sorry, I had not noticed you want to merger 'dir2' into 'dir1' instead of viceversa.
[15:06] <CalimeroTeknik> qkit, if you read what I told you, you can succeed. if you don't, you probably won't.
[15:06] <qkit> ok thanks...downloading the require tools :P
[15:06] <g0th> so cp -ranl dir2 dir1; rm -r dir2; should work?
[15:06] <CalimeroTeknik> how do I solve "WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated!" in a fresh debootstrap'ed chroot?
[15:06] <columb> Hey, can I use 1gb flash stick for ubuntu installation? .iso file is only 785MB but ubuntu.com says that I need at least 2GB.
[15:06] <Walex2> g0th: so if you do 'cp -ranl dir2 dir1; rm -r dir2' any files that have the same name, the file in 'dir2' disappears
[15:06] <g0th> that's essentially the same as rsync with "move instead of copy"
[15:06] <utusan> qkit: there are dpkg-buils tools
[15:06] <utusan> build*
[15:07] <CalimeroTeknik> already gave him the instructions and commands to run, utusan ;)
[15:07] <utusan> ok
[15:07] <Walex2> g0th: but notice that if you want to do over CIFS from Samba it will work, if the mount uses POSIX extensions (which are the default).
[15:07] <g0th> Walex2: yes, so if there is a file in dirr1 which was not copied perfectly but the one in dir2 was then I lose that information
[15:07] <g0th> but at the end I can run rsync again to check if anything is missing
[15:07] <g0th> (with --size-only to save time)
[15:07] <Walex2> g0th: but doing it over CIFS will be enormously slower than doing it on the server.
[15:08] <g0th> Walex2: yes :(
[15:08] <g0th> but I don't want to mess with the server
[15:08] <qkit> yup, downloading all the necessary tools now
[15:08] <Walex2> g0th: doing it over CIFS or the server is the same as to risks.
[15:08] <CalimeroTeknik> so does anybody know how to import the keys or something when getting "WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated!" in a fresh debootstrap'ed chroot?
[15:08] <g0th>  it on the server I would first need to upload a custom firmware/etc
[15:09] <g0th> to get direct access
[15:09] <Walex2> CalimeroTeknik: you can copy into the 'chroot' the GPG archive of the containing system
[15:09] <g0th> which voids my warranty
[15:09] <Walex2> g0th: is this a kind of NAS appliance?
[15:09] <g0th> what do you mean?
[15:09] <g0th> anyway, I have a solution now I think :)
[15:09] <CalimeroTeknik> Walex2, except the containing system is arch linux, I guess that won't do.
[15:09] <Walex2> g0th:  a little self-contained box with disks in it that you can only ccess over net, like QNAP or others make
[15:10] <CalimeroTeknik> I expected debootstrap to install these
[15:10] <elisa87> do you know why I can't do the sudo apt-get upgrade? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5795741/ Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/cups-browsed_1.0.34-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb
[15:10] <g0th> wow cp -arnl dir2 dir1 was instant
[15:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> qkit: here: http://is.gd/D3tehj
[15:10] <morpheus7> whois
[15:10] <g0th> if that really worked that would be amazing
[15:10] <qkit> oh thanks
[15:10] <Walex2> CalimeroTeknik: then you need to network the VM
[15:10] <qkit> wow..thanks alot guys
[15:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> CalimeroTeknik: what kinda vm? I may have what you need :P
[15:10] <CalimeroTeknik> well, you mean the chroot
[15:11] <Walex2> g0th: you can discover which files were not linked over.
[15:11] <Walex2> g0th: find dir1 -type f -links -2
[15:11] <g0th> I just try to run rsync now, which should do almost nothing
[15:11] <CalimeroTeknik> I just ran debootstrap --variant=minbase --arch=amd64 precise chroot/
[15:12] <CalimeroTeknik> and then mount dev proc sys… apt-get install nano and it complains about not validating, I guess it's missing keys
[15:12] <CalimeroTeknik> it's just a guess, the error message isn't explicit
[15:12] <g0th> Walex2: it gives me a huge list, hmm
[15:13] <g0th> but rsync isn't doing anything atm which is (hopefully) a good sign
[15:13] <g0th> I wonder how rsync deals with hardlinks from dir2 to dir1
[15:13] <Alternate> Looking for good burning software, need to make 50 copys of 1 dvd, what would be the best way to do this
[15:14] <g0th> for a completely legal purpose of course *g*
[15:14] <Alternate> Yeah pictures from my sons birthday for the family
[15:14] <g0th> sure :)
[15:15] <Alternate> Could anyone help me out
[15:15] <My_Name_Is_John> Hello1
[15:15] <g0th> I guess you first create the image you want to burn and then just keep burning it
[15:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> Alternate: brasero does good, assuming its an iso. if you have a physical dcd to copy use dd to copy it to iso :P
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> Alternate: ask and see
[15:15] <andygraybeal> Alternate,  yea what g0th said
[15:16] <andygraybeal> working with a cd image is easiest i would assume too
[15:16] <Walex2> g0th: find dir2 -type f -links -2
[15:16] <Walex2> g0th: I keep forgetting that 'dir2' is the source, not the destination...
[15:16] <Alternate> The dvd contains video files that can be played on a dvd player
[15:16] <Alternate> so making an iso would be good?
[15:16] <Alternate> and then keep burning that iso
[15:17] <andygraybeal> that's probably what i'd do
[15:17] <Walex2> Alternate: making an *image* would be good. Must video players can play random movie files on an ISO image, but video DVDs are supposed to be in UDF format.
[15:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> Alternate: yep, would be best. anywho, later all :P
[15:17] <Walex2> Alternate: several tools allow you to create an image that is both in ISO and UDF format.
[15:18] <g0th> Walex2: it also gives me a huge list
[15:18] <g0th> Walex2: I guess that means a lot of files were present in both
[15:18] <g0th> Walex2: (in which case -n would prevent the creation of the hard link)
[15:19] <g0th> so I could try the same with -f instead of -n but that's a bit more risky ^^
[15:19] <d4rkn30> is there a way to create a laucher to open the terminal with sudo -i ?
[15:21] <iceroot> d4rkn30: gnome-terminal -e "sudo -i"  but that in your launcher
[15:21] <iceroot> put
[15:21] <d4rkn30> iceroot, Thanks m8
[15:21] <d4rkn30> iceroot, coundnt remember the terminal's main name
[15:22] <SKYLAKE-10nm> !seen wave
[15:23] <steve_fi> I have a problem with my NFS client that I'm wondering if somebody could help me with, I can mount it using "sudo mount -t nfs -o proto=tcp,port=2049 server:/ /media/disk2" but I can't get it to mount in /etc/fstab with the following line "server:/  /media/disk2 nfs auto 0 0", I get the error when mounting, "mount:  only root can mount"
[15:24] <CalimeroTeknik> steve_fi, add user to the options
[15:25] <steve_fi> CalimeroTeknik, you mean user in the line in /etc/fstab?
[15:26] <CalimeroTeknik> if that's what you want to do, that is.
[15:26] <CalimeroTeknik> but it seemed so to me
[15:26] <steve_fi> well, I've set it up without authentication, and I've never needed to have a user there before
[15:26] <CalimeroTeknik> maybe you have to be part of some group, but that's essentially it, see man mount
[15:27] <d4rkn30> iceroot, now is there a way to insert the pwd without having to type it out
[15:27] <CalimeroTeknik> "mount:  only root can mount" → add user to the mount options in the fstab line
[15:27] <CalimeroTeknik> that's all there is to it.
[15:28] <CalimeroTeknik> or use sudo.
[15:29] <steve_fi> pardon my stupidity or perhaps my ignorance to this, but I thought that NFS didn't need to do that since it's a kernel level driver?
[15:30] <steve_fi> and I thought that fstab always automatically mounted "disks" regardless of the user?
[15:30] <neopsyche> grub loader not showing kernel!?
[15:31] <CalimeroTeknik> steve_fi, yes it will be mounted at boot, but if it isn't, and you want to mount it manually, either you get root or add user
[15:31] <iceroot> d4rkn30: dont do that
[15:32] <iceroot> d4rkn30: its unsecure to disable the password for using sudo so please dont do it
[15:32] <steve_fi> guess it's time to try a reboot then!
[15:33] <d4rkn30> iceroot, i dont mean disabling it completely i just mean in the launcher is there a way to add the password so i dont have to type it out all the time, Something like the root-terminal in Debian
[15:33] <iceroot> d4rkn30: no you cant add the password
[15:34] <iceroot> d4rkn30: and if you could add the password, it would be there in plaintext readable for everyone
[15:34] <iceroot> d4rkn30: something like sudo -i < passowrd (not workin) but i hope you get what i mean
[15:34] <holstein> d4rkn30: you can add a launcher to run sudo -i in a terminal, and type the password once
[15:34] <jrib> d4rkn30: why do you want this?  You really shouldn't need to be doing things with sudo so often that it becomes a burden
[15:35] <d4rkn30> iceroot, alright thanks, and im the only one that has access to this computer, but i do know what you mean,
[15:35] <holstein> d4rkn30: you want to have that level of protection.. you dont want to have anyone or anything be able to sneak around the password for sudo and get admin..
[15:35] <iceroot> d4rkn30: just type in your password if you need to use sudo
[15:35] <holstein> d4rkn30: you are not the only one with access to that computer, if you are online
[15:35] <MonkeyDust> d4rkn30  you rarely need/use sudo, there's really no need to mess with it
[15:36] <d4rkn30> jrib, i work alot with Kali and encrypted documents , and it becomes a pain in the butt, yes i do know about MC and all that fun stuff,
[15:37] <jrib> d4rkn30: I don't know what Kali is but can't you encrypt your documents as your user without sudo?
[15:37] <holstein> d4rkn30: Kali is not supported here, and is not something that is (afaik) expected to be used as a desktop
[15:37] <d4rkn30> jrib, yes but it wont let me view or move them without being root
[15:38] <jrib> d4rkn30: what is "it"?
[15:38] <holstein> d4rkn30: sudo -i, and leave that open.. and you only have to put the password in once... you can run it in screen
[15:38] <d4rkn30> jrib, Kali is a pentest distrub, the succesor to backtrack
[15:38] <dreaser>  /msg NickServ identify 10ayn3
[15:38] <iceroot> d4rkn30: we only support ubuntu here
[15:38] <d4rkn30> holstein, Omg! i never thought about that,
[15:38] <dreaser> hi
[15:38] <jrib> d4rkn30: if you encrypt them as root, then it makes sense you would need to be root to read them.  So don't encrypt them as root.  But it seems like you are not using ubuntu?
[15:38] <auronandace> dreaser: do that outside a channel (also change your password)
[15:38] <Ogham> How do I configure nautilus to mount a ufs2 filesystem upon clicking the device? It is missing the required parameters (I currently use sudo mount -r -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sdb1 /target) ?
[15:39] <holstein> d4rkn30: ouch.. check with #freenode about changing that password ASAP ..and identify in the server window in the future
[15:39] <holstein> dreaser: ^^
[15:40] <d4rkn30> iceroot, jrib i do use Ubuntu on my Desktop that was the whole problem, Lappy = Kali Desktop = Xubuntu
[15:40] <Dr_willis> Ogham,  make a script to automate it.. or check into changeing udev rules for that device perhaps to use the right options, or make a fstab entry perhaps.
[15:40] <jrib> d4rkn30: ok so the only reason you need to use sudo a lot is to encrypt documents?  Encrypt documents as your user, then you can access the files as your user too and don't need sudo
[15:41] <Ogham> Dr_willis: ah, cheers - I'll check udev first, sounds promising :)
[15:41] <holstein> dont encrypt as root d4rkn30 ...you might be assuming that makes it "safer", but its just adding the hassle that you are uncomfortable with
[15:42] <d4rkn30> holstein, i was just thinking about that, ill need to create a sux user in kali with this username,
[15:42] <d4rkn30> Thanks Yall for the support yall are a great comunity
[15:45] <pyasi> ActionParsnip: man, i had a power-cut, so can't note the code, please can u say it again, if u remember me
[15:46] <Dr_willis> Every so often i 'have' to work on someones windows machine.. and im reminded of how much better linux is... ;P
[15:46] <thiebaude> ^^
[15:46] <d4rkn30> Dr_willis, im trying to move all my friends to linux but theyre stubborn
[15:46] <Dr_willis> 'installing update 2 of 17.......' been like that for almost 30 min now....
[15:47] <Dr_willis> Grandson is going to use this one for his Home-schooling - so he 'has' to have windows on it.  I finally got them trained to use FF instead of IE at least.
[15:48] <d4rkn30> IE was the worst invention ever
[15:49] <wheatthin> is this related to ubuntu support?
[15:49] <d4rkn30> wheatthin, it started off as linux :P
[15:49] <wheatthin> yeah that would be better discussed in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:50] <Dr_willis> perspective... i see people ranting in here about Ubuntu.. and then I wonder how much they have ever had to actually 'fight' with windows. ;P
[15:50] <d4rkn30> wheatthin, sorry had to add my two cents xD
[15:50] <genii> Dr_willis: ( this is not including the CHKDSK time either)
[15:50] <Dr_willis> 'better to be informed  by your system' then be in the total dark and call it 'user friendly'
[15:51] <wheatthin> Dr_willis, take it to ubuntu-offtopic.. inform there
[15:52] <Dr_willis> Just seems Linux is trying  to hard to go that route at times also.
[15:52] <Dr_willis> back to work ;P
[15:52] <thiebaude> quidsup, you the same one on youtube?
[15:54] <quidsup> he thiebaude
[15:54] <thiebaude> hey
[15:55] <ehhh> what's the best way of installing ubuntu with usb or cd? I could only fit 12.04 on cd and can problaby get latest onto a pendrive, but if cd i guess updating isn't the hardest thing yet
[15:56] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  usb is normally faster i find. and 12.10+ required a DVD or usb
[15:56] <holstein> ehhh: "best" is a matter of opinion and depends on the situtaion
[15:56] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  use of optical disks - is getting rarer these days
[15:57] <peterbjornx> b
[15:57] <holstein> yeah.. i can only think of maybe older usb 1.1 where i would prefer CD rom, that that doesnt happen often
[15:57] <Dr_willis> plus a live-peristant usb flash drive is a very handy tool.
[15:57] <Dr_willis> any pc with usb 1.1  may be so old that  it wouldent have the PAE enabled cpu - and be stuck with 12.04 anyway ;P
[15:58] <ehhh> so i can get it done a bit faster with usb if i've got 2.0 (are the slots colour coded like usb 3 is blue?)
[15:58] <dreaser> holstein, thanks, I'm new to IRC
[15:58] <holstein> dreaser: no worries.. must make sure you change that password
[15:59] <FiremanEd>  /away away
[15:59] <dreaser> holstein, yes it's done
[15:59] <holstein> ehhh: you might get it done faster from CD, if you are more comfortable using CD's and you can figure out how to boot CD's
[16:00] <ehhh> yes i like cd's, burn and use, hassle free :P not too much hassle to get the usb booting though, install and use :P
[16:00] <Dr_willis> ive seen major hassles gettings cd burnt and used in here.
[16:00] <ForSpareParts> Has anyone here run ubuntu as a VM under an OSX host? I'm trying to figure out how to forward my mouse's thumb buttons.
[16:01] <Dr_willis> people seem to have the idea that you can 'drag/drop' the .iso file onto a CD/DVD and it should be bootable. ;)
[16:01] <ehhh> yeah for some reason my drive on this laptop won't properly burn dvd's (they burn the data which is visible on the disc, but it won't boot anything and the image won't work properly) so i ran out of dvds and had to use a cd-rom instead with the extended support version of ubuntu
[16:02] <feisar> hi, just installed 13.04 on a netbook for a friend but it's pretty much unusable due to the graphics, is there anyway to fix that or is Ubuntu no use for netbooks anymore?
[16:02] <dreaser> do you know where I can find the drivers for an Intel graphics HD 4000 for Ubuntu 12.04?
[16:02] <Dr_willis> i belive there may be more then 1 laser in some of those drives.
[16:02] <Dr_willis> dreaser,  shoule be built in, there is also the xswat ppa that has updated drivers.. and I belive INTEL has a site/script for updateing their drivers
[16:02] <holstein> dreaser: intel drivers that can be included are typically included by default
[16:02] <ehhh> dr_willis: lol, well it's almost that easy, drag/drop it to imgburn/whatever and burn :P
[16:03] <utusan> why not use usb-creator?
[16:03] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  ive seen people have such weird issues in windows trying to burn ISO files..  had a guy yelling at us mad in here once because ubuntu was Demanding $$ to  make the ISO file to disk.. turned out winrar was opening his ISO file..
[16:03] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  took us forver to figure out what he was saying/doing
[16:04] <ehhh> utusan: that was my original question :P i've failed at installing it to my laptop and just dragged out my stationary computer for a resfreshment
[16:04] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  if you are making a bootable USb - try the tools fromt he pendrivelinux web site
[16:04] <dreaser> Dr_willis, holstein, yes sorry I mean the proprietary one, because when I boot, I have an error that say "you are in low graphic mode"
[16:04] <Dr_willis> ive definatly seen lots of issues with Unetbootin and the usb-creator.
[16:05] <ehhh> Dr_willis: i've got something called "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.3.5"
[16:05] <adamk_> dreaser: There are no proprietary drivers for intel GPUs.
[16:05] <kuko> I'm trying to run some app in port 90, is there a problem with permissions in ubuntu? will I have any security hole if I do that? which are the recommended ports?
[16:06] <Dr_willis> https://01.org/linuxgraphics/   Intel(R) Linux* Graphics Installer version 1.0.1 - but you really shouldent need this..
[16:06] <MrChip> hi
[16:06] <Dr_willis> kuko,  totally depends on the app.
[16:06] <dreaser> adamk_, ouch, so how can I resolve this problem of "low graphic mode"?
[16:07] <MrChip> my huawei modem is not working
[16:07] <kuko> Dr_willis: it's a local app so I guess it's ok, but I don't know it's a low port and they generally recommend to leave this alone
[16:07] <MrChip> can anybody help?
[16:07] <adamk_> dreaser: Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.
[16:07] <Dr_willis> dreaser,  id make sure the system is updated and upgraded. and check askubuntu.com and the forums to see if others have seen a similer issue. it may not be a driver issue. but a configuration issue
[16:07] <Dr_willis> kuko,  no real need for it to be using a low port.
[16:07] <ehhh> but before i install to that computer i just want to double check that there's nothing important on the c:\ drive, can you browse it with live usb/cd ? i forget
[16:07] <adamk_> dreaser: It is possible your GPU is too new to be supported by the intel driver in 12.04.
[16:08] <kuko> Dr_willis: which are the "safe" ports recommended for use?
[16:08] <Dr_willis> kuko,  any is as safe as any else.. no port is 'safer' then others...
[16:08] <Guest94609> Hi to everybody
[16:08] <Dr_willis> kuko,  USERS are allowed to access the higher ports.. standard services use the lower ports
[16:08] <ehhh> the os on it now has expired so i can't get into it without activating i'd rather just get linux running on it
[16:08] <kuko> Dr_willis: could you please tell me which are the higher ports?
[16:09] <Dr_willis> kuko,  1024+ i think.. I rarely have to worry about iot
[16:09] <Dr_willis> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers
[16:09] <Guest94609> I need help to use akregator, the feed reader. How I can to save and read news by this program?
[16:09] <SuperLag> feisar: I'm using Ubuntu 13.04 on a notebook. And to say that it might not be usable for any notebooks any more... that's pretty extreme. :)
[16:10] <kuko> Dr_willis: thanks
[16:10] <forgotmynick> Does 13.04 have integration with Google services for email, calendar etc like OS X does?
[16:11] <Dr_willis> forgotmynick,  not that ive noticed
[16:11] <Dr_willis> theres 3rd party tools of course
[16:11] <feisar> SuperLag: it is extreme but 12.04 was usable and 13.04 is not at all, it's an Eee PC Seashell, I assume it doesn't have enough graphical power for Unity
[16:11] <MrChip> how to change the usb modem from "storage" mode to "modem" mode??
[16:11] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Ive had unity work fine on my netbooks
[16:12] <feisar> SuperLag: 15 seconds to bring up the dash
[16:12] <feisar> (clean install)
[16:12] <feisar> and then 5 seconds to close it
[16:14] <dreaser> adamk_, Dr_willis, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5795901/ here is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:14] <adamk_> dreaser: Just wow...  You're all over the place.
[16:15] <adamk_> dreaser: Your computer has both an AMD and Intel GPU...  yet you installed the nvidia proprietary driver.
[16:15] <SuperBawlz> HELP! My Ethernet adapter has disappeared!
[16:15] <SuperBawlz> Not sure where to start
[16:15] <Dr_willis> tell us the kind of adaptor..
[16:15] <adamk_> dreaser: Uninstall the proprietary nvidia driver, reboot, and try again.
[16:16] <SuperBawlz> Not sure. Onboard Intel I believe.
[16:16] <dreaser> adamk_, realy? okay, I try that, thanks !
[16:16] <SuperBawlz> Hardwire
[16:16] <Dr_willis> SuperBawlz,  you really need to determine the exact chipset. You are refering to a WIRED or wireless  nic?
[16:17] <SuperBawlz> Wired.
[16:17] <SuperBawlz> Sorry. I am typing this on my cell phone.
[16:18] <SuperLag> feisar: I avoid Unity, personally.
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> SuperBawlz: if you run:  sudo lshw -C network   do you see it ?
[16:18] <SuperLag> feisar: and on something that low on resources, I would be looking for something lighter to use, anyways. I'd go with the Xubuntu variety.
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> SuperBawlz: DEs are a waste imho :)
[16:19] <SuperLag> ActionParsnip: compared to what? You live in CLI 100% of the time? :)
[16:19] <ehhh> WOW this pc is noisy
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> SuperLag: openbox :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8850924/24thJune2013.png
[16:20] <surjeet> hi 2 all
[16:20] <asharas> Dr_willis: Hi! I found what happened yesterday ;) I screwed up with a usermod
[16:20] <surjeet> any girl want 2 chat wid me
[16:20] <SuperLag> ActionParsnip: I ran OB back in the day. It's nice and light.
[16:21] <SuperLag> haha... surjeet: go troll somewhere elsse
[16:21] <SuperLag> else
[16:21] <DJones> surjeet: This channel is for Ubuntu support
[16:21] <Dr_willis> surjeet,  no girl will want to chat with you , if you try to hit on them on irc...
[16:21] <Dr_willis> none EVER..
[16:21] <pong_> lol
[16:21] <asharas> Guys, I'm configuring a little dns cache server, but which dns should I configure on it's interface?
[16:21] <SuperLag> besides... the ones that do, they're probably not girls anyways :D
[16:22] <Pici> Can we please get back to support?
[16:23] <SuperBawlz> Yes. It's a Realtek. RTL8111/8168
[16:23] <feisar> asharas: you want a guide on setting up Bind on Ubuntu?
[16:23] <SuperBawlz> It says disabled
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> can somebody please tell me the default orange icon theme name in Ubuntu
[16:23] <asharas> feisar: it's already done, the bind9 dns works
[16:23] <asharas> feisar: but on the server eth0, which dns should I configure? localhost?
[16:23] <feisar> asharas: I miss-understood your question then
[16:23] <dreaser> adamk_, Yeah, it works !!!
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> is it 'humanity'?
[16:24] <dreaser> adamk_, Thanks !
[16:25] <asharas> feisar: in /etc/network/interfaces --> eth0 --> which dns for this one? I tryed 127.0.0.1 but it seems to make a big loop (I'm dumping packets to see what's going on)
[16:26] <mic1980> hey folks im back, need a little more help if possible.
[16:26] <feisar> asharas: that's correct I think, you should set the DNS server to itself on a DNS server
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> i got it
[16:26] <jbkc85> hi all, I was wondering if someone could help me troubleshoot LDAP over SSL with PHP and Ubuntu 12.04.02LTS
[16:26] <SuperBawlz> Anyone have a thought on my disabled Ethernet adapter?
[16:27] <st34lth> #bash
[16:27] <jbkc85> it was working on the previous version 11.04 for ubuntu, but nothing now…keeps rejecting the 'client' certificate
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> SuperBawlz: if you run:  sudo lshw -C network   do you see it ?
[16:27] <compdoc> SuperBawlz, have you checked /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:28] <asharas> feisar: is it normal that my lo interface gets many more packets than eth0? I mean, my server is speaking to itself a lot
[16:28] <asharas> worried about it's mental health :)
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> asharas: IF YOU RUN A PROXY AND IT IS USED BY LOCALHOST, IT WILL
[16:28] <Tapper> hey guys! I was having an issue with Psensor if anyone could give me some tips
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> oops sorry for caps
[16:29] <mic1980> k ive setup dual boot on drive 1 successfully and drive 2 is bare bones and not yet been formatted. if i wish to format drive 2 with ntfs using linux (ubuntu) do i need to do it via terminal or can i do it from the desktop
[16:29] <SuperBawlz> Yes. It's a realtek RTL8111/8168 and its marked as disabled.
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: NTFS is proprietary to Microsoft so I'd use Windows to format it
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> SuperBawlz: do you dual boot?
[16:30] <SuperBawlz> No. Why?
[16:30] <asharas> ActionParsnip: thanks Capslock Holmes, but I don't have a proxy, only home dns server
[16:30] <mic1980> then afterwards once linux recognizes it, can i set swap file from desktop or must i use terminal
[16:31] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: you can add it in /etc/fstab to mount to a folder in $HOME and you will have easy access
[16:31] <SuperBawlz> Net rules appear to be ok.
[16:32] <mic1980> brb
[16:34] <ehhh> the picture on the tv screen is completely out of place on that computer (VGA), might that be only on the live cd or can i change it later after install (screen placement)
[16:37] <SuperBawlz> Can someone answer how to change the adapter from disabled to enabled?
[16:37] <zero2XIII> ehhh: what graphics chipset are you using?
[16:38] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  nvidia and ati both have config tools to tweak that.
[16:38] <ehhh> the one that was supplied with it, a nvidia
[16:39] <quidsup> I guess he wants to know how to install those tweak apps
[16:39] <Dr_willis> install the nvidia drivers, and use the nvidia-control center app
[16:40] <A1Recon> How to em hyphenate in blogger/blogspot? (Using Ubuntu and Chrome)
[16:40] <bleb> Can someone explain why I can't run od or hd on a directory? Is there a better place to ask this?
[16:40] <ehhh> are they easy to find on the software center or will i have to apt-get? i'm currently booting into the cd since the 13.04 usb drive didn't work (got an error about how it couldn't find a configuration file)
[16:41] <quidsup> Alot of you still use sata's to run the os from?
[16:41] <ehhh> i'll have to install 12.04 it seems and then update afterwards
[16:44] <ehhh> lol 6 partitions on the main drive
[16:44] <ehhh> hope i don't lose anything super i've been doing
[16:45] <winny_carreno> hola?
[16:47] <mujahadean> what the best course for getting certified in linux?
[16:47] <ehhh> is wine easy to set up? want to give a game i found on here a go after i've configured everything
[16:48] <quidsup> yeah ehhh it's easy, just some basic steps
[16:48] <auronandace> !appdb | ehhh
[16:48] <kingbeast> quidsup, how else would you do it besides pci-e?
[16:49] <marz> I just installed eclipse from Ubuntu Software Center, but it crashes when I try to open it
[16:49] <marz> Error Message: An error has occurred. See the log file /home/marz/.eclipse/org.eclipse.platform_3.7.0_155965261/configuration/1372092560105.log.
[16:49] <marz> Can someone  help me out with this
[16:50] <ZigSphere> Look at the log
[16:50] <ehhh> afaik you set up basically a virtual station and then you're good to go right? will look closer on appdb there's probably instructions
[16:52] <ehhh> oh wait you have to pick your stuff from the appdb database?
[16:52] <quidsup> kingbeast, what were you saying, was recording
[16:52] <marz> ZigSphere: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5796015/
[16:53] <ehhh> i found an urban game on that that probably isn't on there
[16:53] <marz> ZigSphere: that is what is inside the log file, can you help me out with it
[16:53] <ehhh> guess what i'm asking is does it have to be supported by appdb or can i use any windows .exe
[16:53] <ehhh> inside wine
[16:53] <ZigSphere> I will take a look
[16:54] <kingbeast> you asked if people still used SATA's to boot from, the only other way I know of is PCI-E quidsup
[16:54] <quidsup> I meant ssd, sata, etc
[16:55] <ZigSphere> MARZ: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10165693/eclipse-cannot-load-swt-libraries
[16:56] <kingbeast> quidsup, you mean ssd or mechanical?
[16:56] <quidsup> Correct
[16:57] <bergelmir> anyone can give me a hint how i can capture my joystick actions in a script?
[16:57] <blogs> where's the best place to get help with grub2 and lvm /boot ?
[16:57] <ZigSphere> Google it
[16:57] <marz> ZigSphere: Awesome, Thanks a lot!
[16:58] <ZigSphere> No problem!
[16:58] <Walex2> blogs: there are many HOWTOs in the usual HOWTO collections, and for in the wikis of each major distro
[16:58] <ehhh> should i update my 12.04 right after it's done installing or should i start configuring first
[16:58] <Walex2> ehhh: update immediately.
[16:58] <marz> ZigSphere: I really didn't understand what I did, I just copied and pasted the code provided. I've been using Ubuntu for a month now but I don't' seem to be getting the hang of it. Does this mean that this OS is not for me and I should stick with Windows?
[16:58] <ehhh> ok, i'll do that
[16:59] <tesqie> still cant get ubuntu to load here is what i got from boot-repair paste.ubuntu.com/5796034/
[16:59] <edial> hello, am having trouble booting into ubuntu installed on my laptop, it boots into windows without giving me options to choose
[16:59] <ZigSphere> Linux takes a while to learn.  I would definitely stick with it as long as you can
[16:59] <blogs> Walex2, I've been reading howtos for a full day :( I'm getting the grub rescue mode prompt, with a "invalid partition" :(
[16:59] <Walex2> ehhh: updates often include updated configuration files... Also you want security updates to apply as soon as possible
[16:59] <Walex2> blogs: it is not easy :-)
[17:00] <edial> anybody, am using hp probook 4440s
[17:00] <Walex2> blogs: best way to sort that out is with a live CD distro with sysadm tools, something like GRML or Kali.
[17:00] <blogs> It looks easy in the howtos :p
[17:00] <marz> ZigSphere: The learning curve is too steep, but I will stick with it. I'm just Glad  that people who'd gladly help noobs like me are there. THanks again!
[17:00] <ehhh> Walex2: yeah that's what i was wondering what the update basically contains
[17:00] <blogs> yeah, I'm booting off a usb key, chrooting, re-configuring and re-installing grub, but always the same
[17:00] <tesqie> anyon knows?
[17:01] <ZigSphere> No problem Marz
[17:01] <blogs> blogs, in fact, I did a full re-install of ubuntu with default settings, and still get the grub rescue mode :(
[17:01] <blogs> s/blogs/Walex2/
[17:01] <edial> blogs was that directed to me
[17:01] <edial> ?
[17:01] <Walex2> blogs: then there is something probably wrong with the storage setup or some BIOS settings, or you are trying to boot something that GRUB2 cannot boot from, like a multi-layer LVM setup.
[17:02] <tesqie> sorry?
[17:02] <blogs> Walex2, how do I choose between grub-pc and grub-efi ?
[17:02] <tesqie> still cant get ubuntu to load here is what i got from boot-repair paste.ubuntu.com/5796034/
[17:02] <Walex2> blogs: GRUB2 is a mini-operating system, so it needs to have drivers for all the layers of the system up to the kernel.
[17:03] <kingbeast> marz, it took me more than a year to feel comfortable enough to switch completely over to Ubuntu
[17:03] <ehhh> trivial question. . has anyone tried pcsx2 (ps2 emulator) on ubuntu whether it runs smoothly enough if the hardware is strong enough? (i doubt mine is anyway)
[17:03] <Walex2> blogs: up to loading the kernel *and* the initrd.
[17:03] <Walex2> blogs: choose at what point?
[17:03] <blogs> Walex2, when running from the live usb key
[17:04] <A1Recon> How to em hyphenate in blogger/blogspot? (Using Ubuntu and Chrome) Alt + code does not work.....
[17:04] <marz> kingbest: Can you share to me what practices you did on the process?
[17:04] <blogs> Walex2, in a chroot. The default that was installed was grub-efi, but as far as I can tell my laptop has bios,
[17:04] <blogs> Walex2, and I read that, if you have a bios screen you can enter at startup, that doesn't mention efi anywhere, you don't have efi, so I'm guessing grub-pc is the one for me ...
[17:05] <blogs> Walex2, but I don't really know :y
[17:05] <coder2> Hello. Please help me with setting up an access point using hostapd. I've configured dhcp and hostapd, both started w/o error messages, but i cannot see a network with my SSID
[17:06] <edial> Shujench, hello can you help me out with a boot problem
[17:07] <kingbeast> marz, I basically used Ubuntu as much as possible, only used Windows for what I could not do in Ubuntu. I had to force myself to use it more and more though. Don't get frustrated and switch to windows just because of that, work through the problem and eventually you will get used to it.
[17:07] <blogs> edial, what's your problem ? maybe I can help, seeing as I've been having boot problems all day
[17:08] <marz> kingbeast: I'm also planning to enroll myself to somekind of training or a Linux class, hehehe
[17:08] <edial> i installed ubuntu 12 on a separate partition on my hard drive but it cant be recognised during boot time
[17:08] <edial> to give me options to choose from, it boots into windows automatically
[17:08] <edial> hp probook 4440s
[17:09] <ZigSphere> need to install grub
[17:09] <moyam01> edial: have you tried reinstalling grub?
[17:09] <ikonia> edial: either a.) grub is not installed on the boot disk b.) you need to hold down shift to get the grub menu up
[17:09] <ikonia> edial: I suspect the former
[17:09] <tesqie> what does this mean? Please do not forget to make your BIOS boot on sda2/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi file!
[17:09] <ThePendulum> My laptop has a fingerprint reader and Fingerprint-GUI more or less recognizes it, but it doesn't detect my finger swipes. It did earlier.
[17:09] <kingbeast> marz, the best training you can get is going hands on and experimenting with it. After a while you will figure out what to do and what not to do. Just be patient, it's a progression.
[17:09] <ehhh> just finished install, i'm not 100% sure but i think i'm stuck on the black screen that shuts down stuff, can i safely reboot? it says "asking all remaining processes to terminate. . ."
[17:09] <ehhh> that's the bottom line
[17:09] <ikonia> tesqie: it's telling you what to make your bios boot
[17:10] <edial> thanks, how do i install..
[17:10] <tesqie> ikonia how do i do that?
[17:10] <ikonia> tesqie: read your bios documentation
[17:10] <edial> sorry if its a noob question
[17:10] <blogs> edial, I would guess maybe grub wasn't installed on the root drive block ?
[17:10] <tesqie> my bios already boots from hardrive?
[17:10] <blogs> edial, can you boot from the live CD ?
[17:10] <ikonia> tesqie: it's telling you it needs to boot a file to boot
[17:10] <edial> yeah
[17:10] <edial> blogs, yeah
[17:10] <ZigSphere> bios doesnt boot from a hard drive
[17:10] <tesqie> i have to make my bios boot a file? how is that possible how do i do that
[17:11] <ikonia> tesqie: it's efi - it boots from boot files
[17:11] <tesqie> so how do i make it boot from that file
[17:11] <ikonia> tesqie: read your hardware documentation
[17:11] <tesqie> is it online
[17:11] <edial> blogs: am able to boot from live CD
[17:11] <tesqie> or comes with my laptop
[17:11] <ikonia> tesqie: so read it online
[17:12] <blogs> edial, I would boot from the live CD, chroot into your install, and run
[17:12] <moyam01> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[17:12] <blogs> edial, grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:12] <moyam01> look under reinstalling section
[17:12] <blogs> edial, grub-install /dev/sda
[17:12] <tesqie> thank you
[17:12] <blogs> edial, (or whatever your main boot disk is)
[17:12] <ehhh> is it supposed to take this long to reboot the computer after install?
[17:13] <ehhh> i can't remember it happening before
[17:13] <edial> ok thanks man
[17:13] <edial> let me try that later blogs thanks
[17:14] <evilytwisted> Hi could one of you tell me if theres any surveilance camera software for ubuntu where the program whole functionality is Monitoring only doesnt record anything?
[17:14] <marz> kingbeast: I'll be sure to remember that. :D
[17:15] <ikonia> evilytwisted: most will want to use a file to "stream" which while not direct recording is still using/writing disk
[17:15] <ehhh> i won't break anything if i just restart with the power button right now will i ? the cd has already been ejected and removed
[17:16] <evilytwisted> ikonia:  im using a pent 4 processor with like 300g of hd.. i cant  handle the overall data saves
[17:16] <blogs> ehhh, probably not, I do it all the time, sometimes you do, usually it's resilient enough
[17:16] <evilytwisted> ehhh you should always reset using the reset never power button
[17:16] <evilytwisted> you can screw your pc doing that
[17:17] <evilytwisted> reset power button on your pc *
[17:17] <tesqie> i did this Please do not forget to make your BIOS boot on sda2/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi file!
[17:17] <tesqie> now when loading ubuntu i get a black screen with a dash
[17:17] <ikonia> tesqie: did you tell your bios to boot that file ?
[17:17] <tesqie> yes
[17:17] <ikonia> tesqie: how ?
[17:17] <tesqie> using refind
[17:18] <ehhh> the only power related buttons on there are the on/off and the power switch on the back :P
[17:18] <ikonia> tesqie: that's a boot manager it'self
[17:18] <ehhh> on/off being 1 button that i think has some varying effects depending on how you push it lol
[17:18] <ikonia> tesqie: is this a mac ?
[17:18] <tesqie> yeah
[17:18] <tesqie> no
[17:18] <tesqie> windows 8 uefi
[17:18] <ikonia> tesqie: then why are you using refind
[17:19] <ikonia> just set your bios to boot the efi grub loader
[17:19] <tesqie> i cant figure that out
[17:19] <ehhh> rofl then i hit enter and im good to go
[17:19] <ikonia> tesqie: you've addea another pointless layer of complex now
[17:19] <tesqie> no i dont have to use it
[17:20] <tesqie> i can just use the ubuntu grub
[17:20] <tesqie> its an option in the ubuntu menu
[17:20] <ehhh> i love this waiting for nothing then turns out hyou have to hit next
[17:20] <ikonia> tesqie: you can't, that's not how efi works
[17:20] <tesqie> when my computer starts the grub comes up
[17:20] <tesqie> then i have an option to go into ubuntu windows 8 or refind
[17:20] <tesqie> then refind is the same
[17:20] <ikonia> tesqie: when what's the problem ???
[17:20] <ikonia> tesqie: it's already doing what it's meant to and booting the grub efi
[17:20] <tesqie> when i load ubuntu
[17:21] <tesqie> i get a black screen with a dash
[17:21] <ikonia> why are you trying to change it if it's working
[17:21] <meomic> hi, anyone has an idea what can i do to make compiz give back focus to previously active window when i close some app? i mean i launch text editor (it has focus) now via shortcut i launch terminal i close terminal and focus is not going back to text app (it was not minimized)  -- its making me crazy
[17:21] <tesqie> it asks for login then 2 seconds later switches to black screen with a dash
[17:22] <tesqie> cant seem to get it to take me into ubuntu
[17:22] <shankstaBytes> is there a graphical way to setup an FTP and account creds ?
[17:22] <shankstaBytes> ftp server
[17:22] <jyri_> how i gan update xubuntu?
[17:22] <ZigSphere> Tesqui, can you type commands?  Is there a "#"
[17:22] <ehhh> lookin smooth
[17:22] <ikonia> shankstaBytes: mosst ftp accounts are just standard system accounts
[17:22] <tesqie> nope
[17:22] <ZigSphere> ok
[17:23] <tesqie> if i press shut down it says terminating and shuts down
[17:23] <tesqie> the power button i mean
[17:23] <tesqie> my only option
[17:23] <ZigSphere> Definitely sounds like there is an issue
[17:23] <tesqie> lol yeah
[17:24] <tesqie> uefi and windows 8 is pull of problems
[17:24] <tesqie> full
[17:24] <shankstaBytes> ikonia: is there a way to setup a user account for on folder?
[17:24] <tesqie> first it was my grapics card
[17:24] <shankstaBytes> ikonia: im trying to give my friend access to an ftp
[17:24] <ikonia> shankstaBytes: accounts don't like to folders
[17:24] <ZigSphere> I have both Windows 8 and Mint
[17:24] <ZigSphere> not Ubuntu though
[17:24] <tesqie> works fine?
[17:24] <ikonia> shankstaBytes: just sort the permissions his account can only access that directory
[17:24] <ZigSphere> yep
[17:24] <tesqie> lucky
[17:24] <tesqie> ubuntu seems to be full of problems with me
[17:24] <ZigSphere> But Ive been doing that for years
[17:24] <tesqie> especially for laptop
[17:25] <tesqie> what do you think my next step is?
[17:25] <ZigSphere> Definitely not going to promote Mint in a Ubuntu room haha
[17:25] <tesqie> i can go to a terminal via recovery
[17:25] <ehhh> 271 updates, great
[17:25] <usercheck_> are programs(such as ls,grep,,etc,) =bytecode?
[17:25] <ZigSphere> try recovery
[17:25] <tesqie> anything i can do at terminal
[17:25] <tesqie> im their
[17:26] <ZigSphere> can you type commands?
[17:26] <tesqie> yes
[17:26] <ZigSphere> df -h
[17:26] <tesqie> okay
[17:26] <usercheck_> are programs(such as ls,grep,,etc,) = bytecode  ?
[17:26] <ZigSphere> look at the /boot
[17:26] <ZigSphere> is it full?
[17:26] <tesqie> no
[17:26] <John_John> Hey!
[17:26] <tesqie> 20%
[17:26] <ZigSphere> what is the percentage
[17:27] <ZigSphere> oh ok
[17:27] <ZigSphere> so you are good there
[17:27] <tesqie> yeah
[17:27] <ZigSphere> hmmm
[17:27] <John_John> Is this a channel where you can ask newbish questions regarding Ubuntu and Linux or is it for experienced users only?
[17:27] <ZigSphere> Noobs are welcome
[17:27] <ikonia> John_John: any sort of ubuntu help is offered, all levels
[17:27] <tesqie> very welcome im a noob to
[17:27] <John_John> Alright, great!
[17:27] <ZigSphere> Im no expert
[17:28] <Catalystic> im a wasnnabr
[17:28] <Catalystic> im a wannabe
[17:28] <ThePendulum> Alright, don't be silly, Nvidia driver :| https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25683105/Pictures/Unsorted/IMG_20130624_192748.jpg
[17:28] <k1l_> !details | John_John
[17:29] <ehhh> ok i'm installing updates via the update manager, will this update it to 13.04? or will i have to take another process for that
[17:29] <tesqie> let me know if anything pops up on what i should do on terminal
[17:29] <ZigSphere> ok.  Im looking.  Cant promise anything
[17:29] <tesqie> take your time thank you very much
[17:29] <ZigSphere> No problem
[17:29] <John_John> Right
[17:30] <ZigSphere> Thank God for Google
[17:30] <John_John> ubottu: inbuilt cleverbot?
[17:30] <tesqie> want me to send you the pastebin of my boot.repair?
[17:30] <John_John> YES!
[17:30] <ZigSphere> I think I got it earlier
[17:30] <ZigSphere> but sure
[17:30] <tesqie> okay
[17:30] <tesqie> paste.ubuntu.com/5796034/
[17:30] <usercheck_> are programs(such as ls,grep,,etc,) =still in bytecode format ?
[17:32] <ZigSphere> you have a lot of partitions haha
[17:32] <tesqie> thats the beauty of windows 8 uefi
[17:32] <ZigSphere> So what exactly is Uefi?
[17:33] <ZigSphere> sorry - not familiar with that
[17:33] <auronandace> !uefi | ZigSphere
[17:33] <tesqie> a bios that mincrosoft invented
[17:33] <auronandace> tesqie: microsoft certainly did not invent it
[17:33] <tesqie> that blocks any other operating system to be installed with windows 8
[17:33] <tesqie> okay sorry on that fact
[17:33] <tesqie> it incorprated it
[17:33] <tesqie> into windows 8
[17:34] <ZigSphere> And that comes with all versions of Windows 8?
[17:34] <wheatthin> it's just a change in hardware
[17:34] <tesqie> i tihnk so
[17:34] <ehhh> ok i found out i can upgrade via the update manager, will i have to upgrade to 12.10 first then 13.04 or? i'm still installing updates for 12.04 lts
[17:34] <tesqie> think*
[17:34] <wheatthin> mac osx also uses uefi
[17:34] <ZigSphere> Wonder why I didnt have this problem
[17:35] <ZigSphere> definitely didnt see all these partitions with my Windows 8
[17:35] <tesqie> are you on a desktop?
[17:35] <ZigSphere> yes
[17:35] <tesqie> i heard laptops with windows 8 have more problems with ubuntu
[17:35] <usercheck_> yes
[17:35] <ZigSphere> I see
[17:36] <ehhh> ZigSphere: lol i thought i had max 2, turns out i had 6
[17:36] <usercheck_> sorry,wrong enter
[17:36] <k1l_> its actually uefi that makes more problems than the old bios
[17:36] <tesqie> lol
[17:36] <tesqie> yeah uefi
[17:36] <ZigSphere> Thats crazy
[17:36] <wheatthin> no, it's the concept that make it difficult
[17:36] <wheatthin> for people to grasp
[17:36] <ZigSphere> That's why we use Linux..not Windows
[17:37] <ZigSphere> I'll even switch to a Mac
[17:37] <wheatthin> is this a support topic?
[17:37] <tesqie> for me
[17:37] <wheatthin> no.
[17:37] <tesqie> im trying to fix a problem
[17:37] <wheatthin> go to #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to complain
[17:38] <tesqie> not complaining
[17:38] <tesqie> im trying to boot ubuntu
[17:38] <tesqie> ;p;
[17:38] <wheatthin> already installed? or from a dvd?
[17:38] <tesqie> installed
[17:38] <wheatthin> Did you set your ubuntu to boot first?
[17:38] <tesqie> yeah
[17:39] <wheatthin> does the boot partition have * bootable mark in fdisk?
[17:39] <tesqie> idk what that means, but i can boot into ubuntu from grub
[17:39] <wheatthin> then how are you having problems booting?
[17:39] <tesqie> when i go into ubuntu
[17:40] <tesqie> it loads a bit then goes into a black screen with a blinking dash
[17:40] <wheatthin> tesqie, try to use one line, so people don't have to piece your question/problem
[17:40] <ehhh> how configurable is the sidebar?
[17:40] <tesqie> ok
[17:41] <wheatthin> tesqie, have you tried switching terminals?
[17:41] <tesqie> yes
[17:41] <wheatthin> does it come up with a login prompt?
[17:41] <k1l_> !nomodeset | tesqie
[17:42] <tesqie> right after it asks for login, it goes to black screen with a dash
[17:42] <tesqie> i've tried nomode set and radeon.modeset=0 when installing. afterwards i installed my graphics drivers so its fine now
[17:42] <wheatthin> tesqie, which video card are you using/
[17:42] <tesqie> radeon 7670m
[17:43] <wheatthin> using xorg drivers? or proprietary?
[17:43] <tesqie> im not usre
[17:43] <tesqie> sure*
[17:44] <wheatthin> tesqie, sounds like something is misconfigured somewhere.. is this a fresh install?
[17:45] <tesqie> yes
[17:45] <wheatthin> which release?
[17:45] <tesqie> 13.04
[17:46] <wheatthin> tesqie, You'll need to use the livedvd and chroot into your environment to try to fix it
[17:46] <wheatthin> I'm guessing xorg is misconfigured
[17:46] <tesqie> i can go into my recovery for ubuntu, can i get on chroot there?
[17:47] <ThePendulum> I installed and removed the Nvidia-driver, and now i.e. the shade below the bar on the top of the screen is gone, as well as the option to set the Unity bar size
[17:47] <ThePendulum> Any ideas what happened?
[17:48] <wheatthin> tesqie, recovery for ubuntu?
[17:48] <tesqie> recovery mode i mean
[17:48] <wheatthin> tesqie, if there's a problem with logging into the terminal/console, then I'd think it wouldn't work in recovery mode with the same installation
[17:49] <tesqie> i can get into terminal with recovery mode
[17:49] <wheatthin> then do so.
[17:49] <tesqie> im already in
[17:50] <wheatthin> tesqie, now look into your logs to see what didn't start
[17:50] <wheatthin> it should complain somewhere
[17:50] <tesqie> what do i type into my terminal
[17:50] <wheatthin> cd /var/log
[17:50] <wheatthin> there should be xorg logs there
[17:51] <tesqie> im in /var/log
[17:51] <wheatthin> see xorg logs with ls?
[17:51] <tesqie> (sorry im a total beginner , i dont see any logs
[17:52] <tesqie> it just went to the location on terminal but never opened anything
[17:52] <wheatthin> type ls
[17:52] <tesqie> okay log came up
[17:52] <wheatthin> should look something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5796161/
[17:52] <tesqie> some in white,blue and red and yes it does
[17:53] <wheatthin> tesqie, cat Xorg.0.log | less and search for any errors that it's complaining about
[17:54] <shankstaBytes> is there a good graphical way to create and manage FTP accounts?
[17:54] <shankstaBytes> or another way?
[17:54] <ikonia> shankstaBytes: what did I tell you earlier ?
[17:55] <tesqie> fatal server error no screens found                server terminated with error
[17:55] <wheatthin> shankstaBytes, depending on your ftp server, you can use adduser in the console or use user accounts to create another account
[17:56] <wheatthin> tesqie, okay, so now   X -configure
[17:56] <shankstaBytes> i tried pureadmin
[17:56] <ikonia> shankstaBytes: what did I tell you earlier ?
[17:56] <shankstaBytes> and it isn't allowing the user to login
[17:56] <shankstaBytes> reports authentication errors
[17:56] <wheatthin> sudo X -configure
[17:56] <tesqie> okay
[17:57] <tesqie> config faield server terminated with error
[17:57] <sp00ky> how do I halt an installation with dpkg so apt doesn't try to resolve the dependencies?
[17:57] <wheatthin> tesqie, what error was that? still no screens found?
[17:57] <tesqie> number of created screens does not mach number of deected devices
[17:57] <dack4617> @sp00ky control+c?
[17:57] <DanielHolth> Has anyone gotten Unicode copy/paste to work out of a terminal?
[17:57] <ikonia> sp00ky: it has to resolve the deps to work, but you can of course issue nodeps at install time
[17:58] <wheatthin> tesqie, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:58] <Semper> Anyone know why RKhunter is forcing an install of postfix?
[17:58] <wheatthin> tesqie, pipe it to pastebinit, if it's not installed, then install it
[17:58] <ikonia> Semper: I would very strongly advise you not to use rkhunter
[17:59] <Semper> I know it is buggy and gives false warnings all the time.
[17:59] <tesqie> no such file or directory
[17:59] <wheatthin> tesqie, sudo apt-get install fglrx
[18:00] <Semper> ikonia, was it another reason?
[18:00] <Ari-Yang> tesqie, just so you know fglrx driver is kinda bad =/
[18:00] <Ari-Yang> you're better off with the open source
[18:00] <tesqie> already installed
[18:00] <ikonia> Semper: that's one of many, it's a pointles application
[18:00] <Ari-Yang> but go on ahead and try it, you can always switch back
[18:00] <sp00ky> ikonia, well, I've already run dpkg -i so when do apt-get update I keep seeing that the package I tried to install via dpkg has unmet dependencies.
[18:00] <Semper> snake oil
[18:00] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, why is it bad? just cause it's proprietary driver doesn't make it bad
[18:00] <Semper> unless you get something obvious I know
[18:00] <Semper> tks
[18:01] <ikonia> sp00ky: ok so install the dependencies, and don't use dpkg -i in future
[18:01] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, no it's not that because it's proprietary it's bad. It's bad cuz I tried using it myself, gave me nothing but tearing and glitches. I've also seen a lot of others talk about it being bad
[18:01] <tesqie> its already installed tho, is that bad?
[18:01] <Ari-Yang> tesqie, you have to activate it, if you're on 12.10 go to software sources and go to the additional drivers tab
[18:01] <shankstaBytes> ssh is so easy to setup but ftp is a pain
[18:01] <Ari-Yang> you should see it there
[18:01] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, you can enable stop tearing by using vsync
[18:02] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, yeah, I tried that, like I said just gave me glitches
[18:02] <wheatthin> tesqie, then use   aticonfig --initial -f
[18:02] <Ari-Yang> ;/
[18:02] <InsaneGene> guys, I got both windows and ubuntu on my laptop and my wireless internet connection is slower on ubuntu  what could be the reason and how to get the same performance on ubuntu
[18:02] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, then it wasn't the driver.
[18:02] <jbkc85> looking for assistance in troubleshooting ldap.conf certificate issues: getting a TLS packet with unexpected length was received on PHP/ldapsearch utilities
[18:02] <Semper> InsaneGene, is it atheros or realtek?
[18:02] <tesqie> no supported adapters yet
[18:02] <Semper> Answer in that case is crappy drivers for Ubunti
[18:02] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, yes it was. If I get all of these glitches as soon as I switch to the driver and restart, and I get tearing and what not, it's the driver. All of it goes away when I switch back to the open source
[18:03] <Ari-Yang> amd/ati proprietary drivers are just bleck
[18:03] <Ari-Yang> nvidia I hear is fine ofc
[18:03] <agliodbs> there seems to be no control panel to configure/disable notifications in 12.10
[18:03] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, no.. are you using compiz and all that other stuff?
[18:03] <agliodbs> where is it hiding?
[18:03] <Giwrgaras> ive got a file in /host/Python33/Lib/myfile.py and i want to copy it to /usr/lib/python3.2$
[18:03] <Giwrgaras> what do i type?
[18:03] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, even without compiz. I know what I'm talking about lol
[18:04] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, I'm using fglrx right now with no tearing at all.
[18:04] <Ari-Yang> okay then, it works for you is all
[18:04] <InsaneGene> Semper, it's realtek
[18:04] <wheatthin> so obviously something is wrong on your end
[18:04] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, what card you got?
[18:04] <Semper> You could attempt to use the ndis drivers
[18:04] <Semper> aka
[18:04] <wheatthin> hd 5770
[18:04] <Semper> wrapping the windows drivers
[18:04] <Ari-Yang> tesqie, http://gyazo.com/bbcb6b1dba1a4cb5a63ee30dcfb7b692 (screen shot photo)
[18:04] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin okay
[18:04] <Semper> but I wouldn't suggest fiddling
[18:04] <InsaneGene> Semper, how to do that ?
[18:04] <Semper> that and you might already be on NDIS
[18:05] <Semper> That I cannot remember, you'd need to google it.
[18:05] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin then maybe the driver for hd 5400 is just bad then
[18:05] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, same driver.
[18:05] <tesqie> im in terminal i cant screen shot my stuff
[18:05] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin I installed it from the site, then again, this is a laptop
[18:05] <Semper> But there is little to no point unless you want to look at it academically.
[18:05] <InsaneGene> Samper, Ok thanks man
[18:05] <Semper> Actually improvements are unlikely.
[18:05] <Catalystic> why isnt ubuntu shiping with proprietary GFX drivers like for ex. pclinuxos
[18:05] <Semper> Just the way it is.
[18:05] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, that's the problem, you used the stuff from the site itself
[18:05] <shankstaBytes> i thought rssh isn't the recommend method now that OpenSSH gives you that ability
[18:05] <Semper> Catalystic, because ubuntu is opensource
[18:05] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, where did you install yours from?
[18:05] <shankstaBytes> ikonia: ^
[18:05] <wheatthin> ubuntu repo
[18:06] <Semper> so you have to choose to use them.
[18:06] <InsaneGene> Semper, I'll give it a shot
[18:06] <dank101> i have a really important question that is strange
[18:06] <ikonia> shankstaBytes: that has NOTHING to do with what I said earlier
[18:06] <ikonia> shankstaBytes: you asked about FTP accounts, I explained to you about them
[18:06] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, link from launch pad? or what's the name of it from software center?
[18:06] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, from software center
[18:06] <tesqie> is there no solution for my case?
[18:06] <andatche> can anyone point me in direction of a Canonical sysadmin? I have a network/DNS query/issue
[18:06] <Semper> InsaneGene, basically find your wifi chipset and see the available drivers and see if any are better.
[18:06] <ikonia> andatche: just ask
[18:06] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin what's it called? and what's the diff between from software center and from the site?
[18:07] <Catalystic> triskel is opensource
[18:07] <andatche> ikonia: it's not something I want to disclose, need to speak to someone at Canonical
[18:07] <ikonia> andatche: then email canonical
[18:07] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, the one from the site hasn't been reviewed for ubuntu specifically
[18:07] <dank101> can you use optimus drivers with a non-optimus graphics card
[18:07] <dank101> (bumblebee)
[18:07] <wheatthin> it's a general linux driver
[18:08] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, you on 12.10?
[18:08] <wheatthin> 13.04
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> Ari-yang: packages from software centre will be updated when the repo is updated
[18:08] <ThePendulum> I installed and removed the Nvidia-driver, and now i.e. the shade below the bar on the top of the screen is gone, as well as the option to set the Unity bar size
[18:08] <ThePendulum> Any ideas?
[18:08] <Ari-Yang> @ ActionParsnip I know, I'm not looking to upgrade
[18:08] <wheatthin> tesqie, which adapter are you using again?
[18:08] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin http://gyazo.com/e91ec7ce0425f62edec63bc5e6b13fa0 check that screen shot image, which one you get, first or bottom?
[18:08] <achandra> ef!
[18:09] <Ari-Yang> (first one in the list as low rating)
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> Dark101: why would you want to?
[18:09] <tesqie> charging adapter??
[18:09] <l_r> i'd like to know where is all my freespace on the disk /dev/sda1        11G  9,3G     16M 100% /         <--- total size is 11G, used is 9,3 , then why do i have only 16M free? where is the 11G-9,4 G?
[18:09] <wheatthin> tesqie, no, graphics adapter
[18:09] <tesqie> radeon 7670 lol
[18:10] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, using apt-get install fglrx
[18:10] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin ah I see
[18:10] <Ari-Yang> gonna apt-cache search that
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> L_r: sudo apt-get clean , is a good start
[18:11] <wheatthin> tesqie, your graphics card isn't supported yet
[18:11] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, what version of fglrx do you have?
[18:11] <tesqie> is that the problem to everything?
[18:11] <ActionParsnip> L_r: do you have a separate /home partition?
[18:11] <l_r> ActionParsnip, no
[18:11] <wheatthin> tesqie, .. no but I'd advise looking up hardware support before you install an operating system
[18:12] <tesqie> can i still install ubuntu?
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> L_r: check the size of folders in $HOME
[18:12] <wheatthin> tesqie, you can use console, but not gui
[18:12] <tesqie> yes
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> L_r: do you use steam?
[18:13] <wheatthin> tesqie, it'll be fine for server.. just not able to use it graphically
[18:13] <ActionParsnip> L_r: also check the size of ~/.xsession-errors
[18:13] <theadmin> ...Wouldn't the open drivers work, or at worst, vesa?
[18:13] <theadmin> I mean, if fglrx fails.
[18:13] <l_r> ActionParsnip, no, it's a damn normal ubuntu installation. with a btrfs fs i'd like to know where is all the space
[18:13] <tesqie> no way i can use it graphically?
[18:13] <wheatthin> theadmin, no.. xorg's open drivers doesn't support it
[18:13] <theadmin> wheatthin: Oh. That's a bad thing, then.
[18:13] <tesqie> okay thank you
[18:14] <ActionParsnip> L_r: you can use disk space analyser to see which folders are largest
[18:14] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin what is the version of fglrx you're currently using?
[18:14] <l_r> ActionParsnip, i don't want to know which are the biggest dirs. i want to know where is all the claimed free space that the output of df gives me
[18:15] <ActionParsnip> L_r: you could install bleachbit and carefully clean temp data. Run it as root too and avoid settings which say they will take a long time
[18:15] <Catalystic> ubuntu keeps filling up my HDD with god knows what!!!
[18:15] <ActionParsnip> L_r: also, remove old unused kernels
[18:16] <sp00ky> ikonia, what should I use instead of dpkg?
[18:16] <ActionParsnip> L_r: should keep you busy a while :-)
[18:18]  * ActionParsnip keeps browser cache in tempfs for speed as well as the data removal on reboot :-)
[18:19] <l_r> again
[18:19] <l_r> my problem is not the used space
[18:19] <l_r> the problem is in the math of df
[18:19] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5796228/
[18:19] <Catalystic> why do peopl,e keep using FB G+ TWITER ETC ETC when you got IRC!???!
[18:19] <l_r> it says Total 11 G, used 9,3G. Ok. Then why do i only have 16M free?
[18:19] <wheatthin> Catalystic, because web-browsers are more easily accessible.
[18:19] <ActionParsnip> L_r: your file system is jounalized. Probably the journal taking the space
[18:20] <Catalystic> wheatthin: maybe you arent familiar with WEBIRC i pitty you
[18:20] <ActionParsnip> L_r: btrfs may use 10% for journal which adds up
[18:20] <wheatthin> Catalystic, no, you ask why others don't use it.
[18:21] <l_r> ActionParsnip, 10%?
[18:21] <l_r> it seems huge
[18:21] <Mage_Dude> I have a public key on my laptop that's been generated by the correct user on my server. When I try to authenticate with the key through ssh, it asks for a passkey (which there is none), but then attempt to revert to password. How can I track down why the key isn't acceptable?
[18:21] <wheatthin> Catalystic, I wouldn't assume too much, cause it makes you look like a fool. now back to support topics plz
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> L_r: go see or ask your disk what the percent is...
[18:21] <opalepatrick> no updates today, rebooted and stuck at grub - all items listed but grey (I think) and not responding to keyboard - Can I fix from livecd?
[18:22] <tesqie> windows 8 just sucks
[18:22] <tesqie> dont ever get it
[18:22] <tesqie> cya
[18:22] <Catalystic> true
[18:22] <ActionParsnip> Tesqie: that is offtopic here
[18:22] <wheatthin> he's gone now.
[18:22] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin yeah, that version matches my version in synaptic package manager. so lets say if I were to install it, I have to uinstall the one I got from the site first yes? with sudo aptitude purge fglrx** ?
[18:23] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, no, you'd have to use the .run installing with --uninstall
[18:23] <Catalystic> they got rid of the start button after some hacker got in #windows and posted the simple reg hack that made win8 boot on to the desktop with a start button
[18:24] <Catalystic> i guess balmer has shares in the companies like classic shell etc etc
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> L_r: any particular reason for using btrfs?
[18:25] <br0> I'm confused about something: what's the name of the filesystem I can see if I do 'ls /' ?
[18:25] <l_r> ActionParsnip, i thought new = cool,fast
[18:25] <auronandace> l_r: btrfs is still under development
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> L_r: its just different.  You clearly don't know enough about file systems and should have taken the defaults which cater
[18:26] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, this is th  command I used to install and test out the beta: sudo sh amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.2-beta7-linux-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/quantal
[18:26] <jrib> br0: you see a listing of files under /.  I'm not sure what your question is
[18:26] <ActionParsnip> Kinda hoping it wasn't a "its newer so is better". So cliché
[18:26] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin to uinstall it would be sudo sh amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.2-beta7-linux-x86.x86_64.run --uinstall
[18:26] <br0> jrib: is it named the root filesystem ?
[18:26] <Ari-Yang> correct?
[18:27] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, then you'll use 'sudo ./amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.2-beta7-linux-x86.x86_64.run --uninstall
[18:27] <br0> because I learned that the kernel also mounts a tiny (sometimes empty) rootfs too
[18:27] <br0> so I'm confused about my understanding of the boot process and denominations
[18:27] <jrib> br0: / called "root" in the sense that it's the top-level of the hierarchy
[18:28] <br0> but it's abusive to say that it's the root filesystem ?
[18:28] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, I don't have to activate the driver restart to uinstall it right? I can do it right now as I'm using the open source one?
[18:28] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, i'd suggest it
[18:29] <jrib> br0: some same discussion I just found here: http://www.linfo.org/root_filesystem.html
[18:29] <Ari-Yang> suggest activating the driver? and then uninstalling it?
[18:29] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, no, I'd suggest uninstalling, then rebooting followed by installing fglrx-updates
[18:29] <Mage_Dude> If you *have* to work with a Windows system, but you have git-bash available. Is it better to generate a public/private keypair on the Win machine and transfer to the other one?
[18:30] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, right.
[18:30] <br0> alright so there's only the rootfs and there *might* be some other FS such as /var or smth if you decide they should be separated ?
[18:30] <jrib> br0: rootfs has special meaning related to the kernel I believe.  I don't know the details but here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt
[18:31] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, and if your lightdm or gdm has resolution problems I'd issue    aticonfig --initial -f   followed by sudo service gdm restart or lightdm whichever you're using
[18:31] <br0> jrib: this is the documentation that got me confused in the first place
[18:31] <fhf> hello all I have a problem with packaging: I need to copy icon to particular dir and I add "cp" to "rules" file but it gives me error no such file or dir and compilation hangs on that coping
[18:31] <jrib> br0: heh.  I don't know enough to unconfuse I am afraid
[18:31] <br0> :)
[18:31] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, I had to put the resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf before it would fix the login screen's resolution
[18:31] <usercheck_> i have cd-rw, how to check it  function is good?, i have try to burning cd, in software is success, but in cd i it is blank.
[18:32] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5796265/
[18:32] <usercheck_> what tool can be used to chec cd-rw that error or not?
[18:32] <jrib> br0: maybe they are the same afterall, not sure...
[18:33] <serro> how to get the bar on left to auto hide?
[18:33] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, I can't edit a xorg.conf because I don't have it
[18:33] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, that's what   aticonfig --initial -f does for you.
[18:33] <mnemon> br0: / is the root of the fs, rootfs(a ramdisk) is something used during the bootup of newer kernels.
[18:33] <br0> jrib: the first sentence of http://www.linfo.org/root_filesystem.html pretty much says that roots = root filesystem, therefore it's my understanding that naming all that is under / to be part of the root file system is abusive
[18:33] <Ari-Yang> tbh a lightdm weird resolution doesn't bother me *shrugs*
[18:34] <serro> how to get the bar on left to auto hide?
[18:34] <br0> mnemon: indeed, it's what I suspected, ty
[18:35] <usercheck_> what tool can be used to chec cd-rw that error or not?
[18:35] <fionnan> I can't seem to add or edit jobs in gnome-schedule, anyone know what might cause this?
[18:35] <usercheck_> i have cd-rw, how to check it  function is good?, i have try to burning cd, in software is success, but in cd i it is blank.
[18:35] <wheatthin> fionnan, are you root?
[18:35] <shankstaBytes> rssh sucks
[18:36] <wheatthin> shankstaBytes, please reframe from putting personal opinions that don't relate to support toics
[18:36] <wheatthin> topics*
[18:36] <fionnan> wheathin: no, I just opened the gui from applications > system tools
[18:37] <wheatthin> fionnan, try to use the run command gksu gnome-schedule
[18:37] <robertbuhren> hi there, can i upgrade vim in 12.04 to the vim from 13.04? or do i have to recompile vim myself?
[18:37] <jrib> robertbuhren: see if a ppa is available or just upgrade to 13.04
[18:38] <jrib> robertbuhren: if neither of those options suit you, you can try backporting the package in 13.04 (/msg ubottu backport)
[18:38] <fionnan> wheatthin: thanks, still doesn't seem to accept any changes
[18:38] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, let me re-phrase my previous question. It's okay to uninstall while using the open source driver, yes?
[18:38] <stealthii> Hi there.  I'm installing a new system running 13.04.  I'm creating a btrfs partition, but the textmode setup only lets you choose mount options from a pre-defined list.
[18:39] <stealthii> Where can I edit the mount options for that partition before setup continutes?
[18:39] <stealthii> continues*
[18:39] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, of course.
[18:39] <Ari-Yang> kk
[18:39] <robertbuhren> jrib: thanks, uprading is not an option, it's a build server for a project, i'd  rather stay with the lts version
[18:39] <robertbuhren> i'll have a look at backporting
[18:40] <Giwrgaras> can you name san good lenses for ubuntu?
[18:40] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7nZCTfSb that look right to you?
[18:41] <wheatthin> no..
[18:41] <wheatthin> cd to the directory that the run file is in
[18:41] <wheatthin> the ./<filename> --uninstall
[18:42] <wheatthin> then*
[18:42] <Ari-Yang> ah
[18:43] <wheatthin> using sudo tho.. sorry about that
[18:43] <Mage_Dude> If the server has the public/private key pair, shouldn't I be able to transfer the public key to another computer and connect with that?
[18:43] <goddard> how can i enable VNC in kde?
[18:44] <nightdrever> can anyone get football manager 2013 to work on ubuntu 12.04?
[18:44] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, I think I uninstalled the beta driver with sudo aptitude purge fglrx**
[18:44] <Ari-Yang> and I think that might have worked too
[18:44] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, reboot first
[18:45] <Ari-Yang> no, this was a while back
[18:45] <Ari-Yang> I didn't do it now lol
[18:45] <Ari-Yang> first uninstall, then reboot
[18:45] <Ari-Yang> (for this driver I'm uninstalling now)
[18:45] <wheatthin> yup.. then  sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates
[18:46] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, it said command not found
[18:46] <wheatthin> what do you mean command not found?
[18:47] <wheatthin> if you mean aptitude, it's not installed by default
[18:47] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EiWcQ6y4
[18:47] <Ari-Yang> I didn't try aptitude purge yet...
[18:47] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, is the .run file in ~/Downloads  ?
[18:48] <Ari-Yang> I cd into the directory where the run file is, wheatthin
[18:48] <wheatthin> you cd ~/Downloads
[18:48] <wheatthin> where run resides
[18:48] <wilee-nilee> nightdrever, This might be good news, not sure as of now. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/football-manager-2014-linux-release
[18:48] <Ari-Yang> the run file is in a folder called amd-driver-installer-catalyst-12.10-x86.x86_64 which is in the Downloads folder
[18:49] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, ls ~/Downloads | pastebinit
[18:49] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, why? I know where the .run file is
[18:49] <wheatthin> obviously it's not there.
[18:49] <Ari-Yang> like I said it's in the folder specifcally called amd-driver-installer-catalyst-12.10-x86.x86_64 in the downloads folder...
[18:49] <wilee-nilee> nightdrever, 2013 appears to run in wine. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=26971
[18:49] <Ari-Yang> * specifically
[18:50] <Meeuwke> Hi guys
[18:50] <Ari-Yang> I'll try again
[18:51] <Meeuwke> I have a short question, does anybody know if curlftpfs uses an ascii or binary transfermode?
[18:51] <wheatthin> Meeuwke, maybe check manpage for curlftpfs
[18:52] <Meeuwke> oops Wheattin ur right, I've tried google with no success, sorry forgot all about the manpages
[18:52] <Meeuwke> thanks ;)
[18:53] <ehhh> does anyone know a way to format laptops without installing an os? since i can't install ubuntu on that old thing i'm gonna try android (it just booted from usb but i need to sort the partitions out. . )
[18:53] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, if it isn't installed to begin with, maybe it will tell me the command doesn't exist?
[18:53] <wilee-nilee> ehhh, Live gparted
[18:53] <jrib> ehhh: boot ubuntu from a cd or usb?
[18:53] <wheatthin> ehhh, using fdisk usually works, if that comes with whatever you have
[18:54] <DJones> ehhh: Just boot up with a gparted/ubuntu cd and use gparted
[18:54] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, I opened up the .deb file in software-center and it says "install" as if it isn't installed...
[18:54] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, no.. the uninstaller is part of the installer.
[18:54] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, it wouldn't be in software center.. it's not from the repo
[18:54] <Ari-Yang> hmmm
[18:54] <pschyska> Hi! I have a minor but annoying problem: The short-cut ctrl-shift-w for closing a tab in gnome-terminal (by default) and kubuntu (set by me) does not work at all. Does anyone know this problem? Feeling stupid...
[18:54] <Ari-Yang> well I'm not sure whay it says it doesn't exist :V
[18:55] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, If you had downloaded the run file into downloads, then that's why it's saying command not found
[18:55] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, I d/led the compressed file, then extracted it to a folder which is under the Downloads folder that shares the same name as the .run file
[18:56] <Ari-Yang> you see?
[18:56] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, then you mispelled something
[18:56] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, --uninstall that look mispelled to you?
[18:57] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, in the filename..
[18:57] <Ari-Yang> huh?
[18:57] <Ari-Yang> no way
[18:57] <Ari-Yang> I copied the file name from the properities window
[18:57] <Ari-Yang> * properties
[18:57] <Ari-Yang> I'll double check
[18:57] <wheatthin> copy it from "ls"
[18:57] <ehhh> how do i use gparted/fdisk :P is it inside the live cd in the try part of it?
[18:58] <wheatthin> ehhh, you use gparted and edit the hard drive, not the installer disk
[18:58] <Ari-Yang> yeah, that's not it, I dragged and dropped the folder into the terminal and erased the unnecessary stuff
[18:58] <wilee-nilee> ehhh, gparted has its own live SO, ubuntu has it on board the live session
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> ehhh  run gparted and delete all partitions
[18:58] <wilee-nilee> ISO*
[18:58] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang,  don't drag and drop, use tab completion
[19:00] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, used the ls command and I'll copy it from it
[19:01] <Meeuwke> hmm man doesn't say anything 'bout transfermode, but I'll try to figure it out by trying. Thanks anyways!
[19:02] <serro> is there away to get gnome 2 look back ?
[19:02] <Ari-Yang> yeah, same thing :V
[19:02] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, then you're not changing into the right directory
[19:03] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ej6XVBGW as you can see from that paste, I am in the right directory
[19:04] <gfgv> I have a back-up
[19:04] <gfgv> of clonezilla
[19:04] <gfgv> and I use ssh to restore it
[19:04] <gfgv> does not work
[19:04] <gfgv> do not leave the option
[19:04] <ehhh> ok i'm having a problem with my ubuntu. . i boot the pc up it gets to the purple screen then it stops sending a signal to the tv
[19:04] <gfgv> restore
[19:04] <gfgv> can anyone help me
[19:04] <FloodBot1> gfgv: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:04] <odra> Hey
[19:04] <odra> Anybody knows if you can remove a path from the dconf database?
[19:05] <ehhh> is it lacking drivers for the graphics card or something ? it worked just fine on 12.04 until i upgraded to 12.10
[19:05] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, did you install using the .deb files?
[19:06] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, no, but I'm going to run sudo aptitude purge fglrx** (which will remove anything fglrx related in theory, yes?)
[19:06] <adamk_> ehhh: Do you have another monitor hooked up?
[19:07] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, then why are they in that directory?
[19:07] <Ari-Yang> because they're apart of the .zip file package from the official site?
[19:07] <Ari-Yang> .__.
[19:07] <ehhh> adamk_: no i can look for an old pc and try it if i can find the cables . . though i'm not sure where the power cord is
[19:07] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, I wonder, lets say if I install the ones from ubuntu, if it sees that it's already installed, think it would replace it?
[19:08] <adamk_> ehhh: If you hit control+alt+f2, does it bring up a terminal console?
[19:08] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, nope.. you must use  sudo dpkg --deinstall <package name>
[19:08] <Ari-Yang> kk, gonna run aptitude purge fglrx in a bit
[19:08] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, or else you're going to break something
[19:09] <ehhh> adamk_: no i'm not getting any signal
[19:09] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, if the --uninstall does in fact run dpkg --deinstall on those .deb files in the same directory, then I can manually do it myself
[19:09] <adamk_> ehhh: Do you have ssh already seutp on this box so that you can login remotely?
[19:10] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, umm whatever guru do whatever.
[19:10] <ehhh> adamk_: no. . i tried typing in my password and didn't get the login sound either . .
[19:10] <Ari-Yang> @ wheatthin no need for attitude ;/
[19:11] <wheatthin> Ari-Yang, you don't listen, so there's no bother for me to help any further.
[19:11] <adamk_> ehhh: How is the TV hooked up to the video card?
[19:11] <Kroach> is it normal for a Core i5 to heat up to over 70°C while playing games?
[19:11] <Ari-Yang> wheatthin, so far I've been listening to you and nothing has worked lol
[19:11] <ehhh> adamk_: VGA cable
[19:11] <Ari-Yang> Kroach, it sounds normal to me, what drivers are you using?
[19:12] <Kroach> Ari-Yang: it's fine if that's normal, I'm using the stock intel driver from 12.04.2
[19:13] <Ari-Yang> @ Kroach *nod*
[19:13] <Kroach> Ari-Yang: ok, thanks
[19:13] <James_Epp> How do you increase the number of workspaces?
[19:13]  * harshadura_ is reading an article about google's new cloud playground: http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/24/google-launches-cloud-playground-a-browser-based-environment-for-trying-its-cloud-platform/
[19:13] <Ari-Yang> np
[19:14] <ThePendulum> I installed Ubuntu and the graphics worked fine. Then I decided to install Nvidia drivers and that didn't work for [cursing]. I removed them, and now I have full resolution again etc., but no shading on the bar on the top and no option to change the Unity bar size, and probably more things I didn't notice yet. How can I fully restore the graphics?
[19:14] <adamk_> ehhh: It's probably worth trying another monitor, if you have one, but I'm doubtful it will make a difference..  Any chance you can try a live CD of 12.10 to see if it works?
[19:14] <quidsup> oh ehhh still haveing problems?
[19:14] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: removing the nvidia drivers should revert you back to nouveau
[19:14] <James_Epp> ThePendulum: I had drivers one time. I installed a different version of Ubuntu and everything went fine. Ubuntu 12.04.2 rock solid.
[19:14] <James_Epp> driver issues*
[19:15] <quidsup> Yeah 12.04 was a bit better on the drivers
[19:15] <ThePendulum> [Gentoo]: It more or less did, but I feel like something went wrong.
[19:15] <ThePendulum> James_Epp: I reinstalled Ubuntu 3 times already :\
[19:15] <James_Epp> ThePendulum: Which version?
[19:16] <ThePendulum> 12.04
[19:16] <James_Epp> IDK. Ask linus about nvidia drivers.
[19:16] <ehhh> i just tried out the other monitor but that thing's basically dead so no results there . . it shows the bootup screen and i'm having the same problem there
[19:17] <JEsaie> Salut
[19:17] <JEsaie> Hi
[19:17] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: ive installed mint and ubuntu a few times for people, graphics drivers always seemed to have weird issues for some reason (blank screen / weird solid bar at the top / wrong resolution / flickering)
[19:18] <JEsaie> I need help please
[19:18] <ThePendulum> Well it wasn't an issue upon install, but something, somewhere, went wrong when removing the Nvidia drivers, not sure what
[19:18] <kostkon> !ask | JEsaie
[19:18] <ThePendulum> Isn't there a way to auto-configure xorg.conf?
[19:18] <ehhh> i guess there's nothing to do but . . start over again :/ i didn't install any nvidia software or drivers when it was running on 12.04 i went straight for the updates . .
[19:18] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: so you removed nvidia proprietary ones, now what
[19:19] <[Gentoo]> nouveau should be on and working as it was before :s
[19:19] <JEsaie> I run ubuntu live but i would like to save
[19:19] <[Gentoo]> JEsaie: its a read only environment
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> JEsaie  you mean install?
[19:19] <mehwork> how can i add an existing user to an existing group?
[19:19] <ThePendulum> [Gentoo]: Which is exactly my issue :|
[19:19] <JEsaie> Yes
[19:20] <ThePendulum> Wait what
[19:20] <ThePendulum> I removed nvidia-common
[19:20] <ThePendulum> And it's back
[19:20] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: remove all nvidia stuff
[19:20] <ThePendulum> It's the only nvidia-thing on there
[19:20] <James_Epp> bbfn
[19:20] <JEsaie> How i can install ubuntu live
[19:20] <[Gentoo]> check if theres an xorg.conf
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> JEsaie  there should be an icon "install ubuntu" or something similar
[19:20] <[Gentoo]> if there is remove it
[19:21] <JEsaie> On win virtual box
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> JEsaie, You need a usb and a  set up to save, however that persistent will fill up and is not a cleanable addition.
[19:21] <keepguessing> Hi, I have set the proxy settings using the network proxy settings. i have also set it firfox and seleccted it to use across all protocols. Even after this the proxy settings do no work for many apps. I have had to individually set proxy for various applications. Is there a one short way of setting the proxy settings in ubuntu. Also can i manage ubuntu proxy settings as profiles? When I come home after work I have to turn off p
[19:21] <keepguessing> I am using ubuntu 12.04 desktop version
[19:21] <ThePendulum> Oh fantastic, it removed Ubuntu Desktop
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> ThePendulum, Nothing gets removed unless you say yes.
[19:21] <[Gentoo]> keepguessing: theres not a way to route every connection through proxy
[19:22] <ThePendulum> wilee-nilee: I said YES
[19:22] <ThePendulum> Or well, y~
[19:22] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: i dont think that package matters
[19:22] <ThePendulum> Alright, nvidia is gone
[19:22] <ThePendulum> But the issue is not
[19:23] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: what was the issue again
[19:23] <keepguessing> [Gentoo]: What do you do usually to solve this issue?
[19:23] <[Gentoo]> keepguessing: what do you need proxied?
[19:23] <[Gentoo]> what program?
[19:23] <ThePendulum> [Gentoo]: The graphics seem incomplete. Unity looks different (less and more texture on random places), no shadows on windows and bars, no Unity resize option etc.
[19:23] <toty> irc.openjoke.org
[19:23] <keepguessing> [Gentoo]: everything in my laptop that connects to the internet
[19:24] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: well nouveau is a slow slow driver for 99% of nvidia cards
[19:24] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: why dont you want the proper driver?
[19:24] <[Gentoo]> keepguessing: youll have to configure them per app
[19:24] <keepguessing> [Gentoo]: all right thanks ...
[19:25] <[Gentoo]> keepguessing: if theres a system proxy setting, only apps that obide to that will use the proxy of course
[19:25] <[Gentoo]> or it will be direct connection
[19:25] <ThePendulum> [Gentoo]: Because it didn't work. It set my desktop to 640x420 or something like that, and then said the driver isn't being used
[19:25] <keepguessing> [Gentoo]: probably then I will have to do a "NAT" solution :(
[19:25] <[Gentoo]> ThePendulum: i think ubuntu has 2 drivers, one stable one unstable
[19:25] <[Gentoo]> try the other one
[19:26] <ThePendulum> How do I go about that?
[19:26] <[Gentoo]> im not sure what they are called
[19:27] <cabbrick1243> hi all
[19:27] <[Gentoo]> try apt-cache search nvidia
[19:27] <mehwork> how can i add an existing user to an existing group?
[19:27] <[Gentoo]> mehwork: gpasswd -a user hgroup
[19:27] <[Gentoo]> group*
[19:27] <cabbrick1243> I have an odd issue, as I can't get my system to boot on a clean install without using nomodset
[19:28] <cabbrick1243> the thing is it's just an Intel GMA 945 as the gpu
[19:28] <mehwork> Gumby: thanks
[19:28] <[Gentoo]> ok
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> mehwork  scroll down https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto
[19:28] <mehwork> MonkeyDust: well i've read like 20 diff ways to do it including usermod and useradd user group
[19:29] <mehwork> so i didn't know which to trust
[19:29] <dario__> hi
[19:29] <[Gentoo]> mehwork: theres loads of ways to do it, they all work
[19:29] <dario__> i'm italian but i don't speak very well english anyone can anyway try to help me please?
[19:30] <dario__> anyone can help a poor italian boy please??
[19:30] <MonkeyDust> !it
[19:30] <[Gentoo]> lol
[19:30] <boredomstrikes> \help
[19:30]  * [Gentoo] gives dario__ $1
[19:31] <dario__> i can try to speak english althought i don't know it .. today i have a bad suprpise an user said me my Ip when i was using xubuntu, how he did??
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> !it
[19:32] <[Gentoo]> dario__: your ip is on show now
[19:32] <cholby> I dated a guy named ubuntu once.  He used to "play the bongos" on my ass.
[19:32] <[Gentoo]> basically because your on irc
[19:33] <dario__> Gentoo i was only speaking in a forum chat with one user when he became hungry with me for a thing and i published in public way my ip adress but he was not a mod.. the he was banned in fact.. how he did? am i vulerabile??
[19:34] <boredomstrikes> test
[19:34] <dario__> no it was not irch chat but vbulletin chat
[19:34] <dario__> he said me my correct ip address i'm very scared
[19:34] <[Gentoo]> dario__: well he cant get your ip from there, but i wouldnt care either way. this is offtopic anyway :)
[19:34] <dario__> ok i'm sorry
[19:34] <dario__> thanks
[19:37] <dizzylizzy> I'd like to install Ubuntu 12.04 on a logical partition, but the installer does not seem to be able to see my volume group. Am I doing something wrong?
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> dizzylizzy  using LVM ?
[19:38] <lordcirth> Since 12.04 is LTS, this means that 12.10 is considered LTS also, right?
[19:39] <Pici> no
[19:39] <ThePendulum> No
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> lordcirth no, every 2 years it's LTS, 10.04, 12.04, 14.04 etc
[19:40] <ThePendulum> lordcirth: If 12.10 would be LTS, then what wouldn't be?
[19:40] <LongCatTH> I cant startx with normal user
[19:40] <fragstone> Hello
[19:40] <LongCatTH> but it's seem work with 'sudo startx'
[19:41] <LongCatTH> how I can reset setting for my user
[19:43] <dizzylizzy> MonkeyDust, what do you mean, using LVM? I'd have to be using lvm in order to work with that partition, wouldn't I?
[19:43] <dizzylizzy> how can I work with lvm in the installer?
[19:44] <dizzylizzy> Do I need the alternate installer CD to do this?
[19:45] <RJ45> I'm using Ubuntu 10.04.4 at the moment (don't tell me to upgrade, just help me or go away.), recently it's been randomly logging me out ever-so-often, it never used-to do this, I think I might have a Virus, anythin' I should look out for in Processes?
[19:45] <dizzylizzy> I'll jigdo the 12.04 alternate install cd and point it to my normal desktop install cd, that should be okay
[19:45] <gordonjcp> RJ45: it doesn't have a virus
[19:45] <gordonjcp> they just don't exist for Linux
[19:45] <lordcirth> MonkeyDust: well, I was wondering if 12.10 counted as the same release, since its a smaller update
[19:45] <RJ45> gordonjcp: they do
[19:45] <gordonjcp> RJ45: no, they don't
[19:45] <RJ45> gordonjcp: viruses are just RARE for Linux
[19:46] <gordonjcp> no, they are non-existent
[19:46] <gordonjcp> anyway, that's irrelevant
[19:46] <RJ45> gordonjcp: almost ALL OSs can get a virus
[19:46] <MonkeyDust> lordcirth  no, the non-LTS releases are supported for only 9 months
[19:46] <gordonjcp> can you think of anything that happens around the time you get logged out?
[19:46] <lordcirth> gordonjcp: RJ45: They technically do exist, they're just really hard to get
[19:46] <gordonjcp> RJ45: no
[19:46] <SolarisBoy> dizzylizzy: from the normal installer live cd if you have internet access and lvm packages are not present, you could always just install them to the live cd
[19:46] <OerHeks> dizzylizzy, alternate is discontinued, use the mini iso or server iso?
[19:46] <gordonjcp> lordcirth: there's a proof-of-concept but it's a lot of effort to get it to work
[19:46] <SolarisBoy> virus is not defined by what OS it can reside in also...
[19:46] <RJ45> gordonjcp: you should listen to me and lordcirth
[19:46] <gordonjcp> RJ45: uh, no
[19:46] <gordonjcp> RJ45: okay, you don't want help, that's fine
[19:47] <dizzylizzy> OerHeks, alternative still exists for 12.04 which I'm installing
[19:47] <RJ45> can someone please kick or mute gordonjcp?
[19:47] <wilee-nilee> 10.04 desktop is not supported don't feed them.
[19:47] <SolarisBoy> they exist - its not about hard to get either - it's about Windows is the #1 desktop OS, folks want viruses to propograte, writing viruses for linux systems would be, somewhat pointless
[19:47] <dizzylizzy> SolarisBoy, would they automatically work then within the installer? That seems odd to me
[19:47] <gordonjcp> wilee-nilee: I was working on the assumption that it was 10.04 server
[19:47] <dizzylizzy> it seems the 12.04 alternate cd supports lvm so I'll use that
[19:47] <SolarisBoy> dizzylizzy: would what automaticallt work?
[19:48] <RJ45> SolarisBoy: Linux OSs are more popular than you think
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> gordonjcp, Their attitude had them in ignore for me.
[19:48] <gordonjcp> SolarisBoy: and yet there are more Linux systems out there connected to the Internet than Windows systems
[19:48] <gordonjcp> SolarisBoy: *vastly* more
[19:48] <SolarisBoy> RJ45: on the server side yes on the desktop side no
[19:48] <gordonjcp> wilee-nilee: yeah, same here now
[19:48] <lordcirth> SolarisBoy: But with open source, vulnerabilities are found, then the virus writer starts, then it's patched and he gives up.
[19:48] <RJ45> SolarisBoy: both
[19:48] <SolarisBoy> negative afaik
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[19:48] <SolarisBoy> =)
[19:48] <RJ45> SolarisBoy: ur wrong
[19:48] <SolarisBoy> the internet - yes - the homes of folks who catch viruses - no
[19:48] <lordcirth> SolarisBoy: As opposed to Windows, where they start looking for the vulnerability when the virus comes out
[19:49] <fragstone> i have a question on btrfs and i hope you can clear my confusion :)
[19:49] <gordonjcp> !ask | fragstone
[19:49] <SolarisBoy> lordcirth: ofcourse -
[19:49] <vooze> I have a Intel HD 4000 graphics card and in BIOS I can set from 32-1024MB RAM. Is there somthing thats best for Ubuntu (gnome shell) ?
[19:49] <SolarisBoy> thats how it should work atleast.
[19:49] <reisio> historically a fair amount of badware was written just to express hatred for Microsoft :p
[19:50] <Spec-Chum> well, RJ45 made me proud to be British :/
[19:50] <Spec-Chum> sorry from the rest of us Civil brits
[19:50] <gordonjcp> SolarisBoy: think of all those wifi routers and such like - do they run Windows?
[19:50] <gordonjcp> Spec-Chum: indeed
[19:50] <fragstone> if i create a subvolume it will created on level >5 ... what are the levels?
[19:50] <gordonjcp> Spec-Chum: Your Sinclair reference?
[19:50] <Spec-Chum> gordonjcp: you star!
[19:50] <SolarisBoy> gordonjcp: they often run various versions of linux based OS
[19:50] <Spec-Chum> you're number 2
[19:51] <gordonjcp> Spec-Chum: gissa sandwich
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> Sinclair ZX Spectrum?
[19:51] <Spec-Chum> I've had this nick for over 10 tears and you're the 2nd person to know what it is
[19:51] <Spec-Chum> MonkeyDust: oh yes
[19:51] <lordcirth> gordonjcp: I had a router that ran a BSD
[19:51] <gordonjcp> Spec-Chum: heh
[19:51]  * SolarisBoy shrugs
[19:51] <gordonjcp> lordcirth: commercial?
[19:51] <gordonjcp> MonkeyDust: yes
[19:51] <dizzylizzy> Okay, so I pointed the 12.04.2 alternative installer jigdo toward the 12.04.02 desktop ISO, and it found only 10 of over 1300 required files. What?
[19:51] <Spec-Chum> gordonjcp: I few people guess ZX Spectrum link but you're one of two to name the magazine
[19:51] <Spec-Chum> :D
[19:51] <Spec-Chum> I/A
[19:52] <gordonjcp> Spec-Chum: I still have quite a few old back-issues in storage somewhere
[19:52] <lordcirth> gordonjcp: ya, a commercial version, but it gave credit to BSD and some other FOSS software in the license info.  It was cool
[19:52] <neo2> hello.  does replacing a MB requires a reinstallation?
[19:52] <reisio> neo2: a motherboard?
[19:52] <lordcirth> neo2: Motherboard?
[19:52] <neo2> yes
[19:52] <Dr_willis> neo2,  ive moved linux installs  (the hd) to radically differnt mb/pcs befor without needing a reinstall
[19:52] <reisio> lordcirth: go team
[19:53] <Dr_willis> neo2,  watch out for video card driver issues however
[19:53] <neo2> Dr_willis, ok ty
[19:53] <reisio> neo2: not technically, no
[19:53] <Spec-Chum> gordonjcp: I'm ashamed to say I threw all mine away some years ago
[19:53] <Spec-Chum> :(
[19:53] <reisio> neo2: any problems you should be able to fix from your install media ('try ubuntu')
[19:53] <lordcirth> neo2: generally not.  I did it with Kubuntu, when I booted, it asked me about my new sound card.  I use it as a Linux example actually :P
[19:53] <Dr_willis> if you have an older nvidia driver and move the hd to a newer nvidia card - it can be annoying
[19:53] <neo2> Dr_willis, I have grave experience with it, ty... fortunately the GPU is separate
[19:54] <Dr_willis> I do FULL installs to usb flash drives and move the flash around with very few issues
[19:54] <Dr_willis> i dont install the  nvidia/ati drivers however.
[19:54] <SolarisBoy> the only issues i have seen is hardcoded MACs from udev
[19:54] <SolarisBoy> @moving hdd's to new chassis/mobo
[19:54] <lordcirth> I had a Win7 / Kubuntu dual boot when I switched out the mobo, I still use it as a Win/Lin comparison lol
[19:54] <SolarisBoy> not really an issue though -
[19:55] <sweettea> for some reason, on thunderbird, the alerts that show email are gone
[19:55] <sweettea> it used to show the number of new emails on the unity icon, and in mail icon would turn blue
[19:55] <sweettea> any idea what needs to be added? I ugpraded from 12.04 to 13.04
[19:57] <ehhh> ok guys i have this problem with the screen not responding after the purple boot screen when ubuntu starts probably because of the drivers, now i'm in the terminal after recovery mode. . what do?
[19:58] <lenswipe> hey guys can someone help?
[19:58] <lenswipe> I'm gettin an error when I install samba4 saying "unable to parse dn string"
[19:58] <Tippens>  i am trying to setup a ftp user on ubuntu server aws,  i have created the key and from the .pem file i have created the public key which i have placed in the home/[user]/.ssh folder but when i try and sftp in i get this message: Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey)  any1 have any ideas what i am doing wrong? any help is appreciated.
[19:58] <lenswipe> what should I do?
[19:58] <lenswipe> I tried googling it but just got a bunch of articles that weren't in English
[19:59] <sweettea> Tippens: you might need to enable sftp in ssh_config
[19:59] <sweettea> see if simply sshing in works (with your key)
[20:00] <Pici> !nickspam | WILLdude
[20:00] <WILLdude> Apologies.
[20:01] <WILLdude> Couldn't decide on which nick to use. Feel free to ban me if it so pleases you,
[20:01] <Tippens> sweettea: SSH doesnt work either i get the same message.  I will check the conf file
[20:07] <sin_> exit
[20:07] <ehhh> okay i installed nvidia-updates-generic and now i'm stuck in on a black screen with a blinking _
[20:08] <ehhh> i've had this problem before, after updating it just won't work
[20:09] <ehhh> i'm dreading that if i can get 12.10 to work, what about 13.04 ?
[20:10] <cbryant> ehhh: have you tried the nvidia current drives
[20:11] <ehhh> i don't know, i just installed in nvidia-updates-generic or something in the terminal, before that after the purple boot screen i just ended up with no graphical signal coming to the monitor
[20:13] <ehhh> i can probably get back to the terminal via recovery and try some more before i reformat .. though i can't get 13.04 to boot off of an usb drive, i just get an error something like there's no configuration file or something (i can bring it back up if it matters)
[20:14] <ehhh> so i'm stuck with the 12.04 lts CD and i really don't know if i'll get farther than there right now (i'm all out of dvds :(
[20:14] <cbryant> ehhh: try 'sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia'
[20:14] <cbryant> ehhh: then sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[20:14] <cbryant> sudo apt-get update
[20:14] <cbryant> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[20:14] <ehhh> cbryant: alright i'll give it a shot, just let me get back to the terminal
[20:15] <cbryant> ehhh: ok i will be around a little let me know how it goes
[20:17] <ehhh> i get "command line option 'p' [from -purge] is not known" on the first step
[20:18] <cbryant> ehhh: did you type '--purge'
[20:19] <ehhh> do i use 2 lines lol :P  as - -
[20:19] <cbryant> ehhh: yes but together
[20:19] <ehhh> cbryant: yeah, i'll try again :P
[20:20] <cbryant> ehhh: also after you remove nvidia drivers reboot before install new ones
[20:20] <ehhh> "unable to locate pacjage nvidia" i think i might know the problem now
[20:20] <ehhh> should i just sudo apt-get install nvidia?
[20:21] <ehhh> or should i continue on?
[20:21] <cbryant> ehhh: which nvidia version did you install
[20:22] <ehhh> cbryant: i have no idea
[20:22] <ehhh> i installed nvidia-updates-generic
[20:23] <cbryant> ehhh: type this instead of first command then
[20:23] <sethj_> join #ubuntu-quality
[20:23] <cbryant> ehhh: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*
[20:25] <ehhh> cbryant: alright, done
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> or sudo apt-get purge
[20:26] <cbryant> ehhh: now reboot and continue the commands i gave you
[20:26] <marianne> ubuntu on a tablet.... what's the room name please
[20:26] <DJones> !tablet | marianne
[20:32] <vfgbvezav> hi
[20:32] <vfgbvezav> hi I want to install windows 7 after my Ubuntu partition but I'll have no more grub, how to restore grub?
[20:32] <ehhh> cbryant: i'm back to the blinking _ after reboot
[20:32] <vfgbvezav> I heard I have to live cd something but what?
[20:33] <cbryant> did you install new repo, and new drivers?
[20:33] <ehhh> yeah
[20:33] <wilee-nilee> vfgbvezav, YOu want windows on the first partition for easy repairs...etc.
[20:33] <sethj> vfgbvezav, take a look here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows
[20:34] <vfgbvezav> thx
[20:34] <vfgbvezav> I'll downloader boot repair on live cd
[20:35] <vfgbvezav> I'll download boot repair on live cd
[20:35] <cbryant> ehhh: What ubuntu are you running?
[20:36] <ehhh> i installed 12.04 from a live cd and after i upgraded to 12.10 it lost video signal after purple boot screen
[20:37] <ehhh> i can't get the usb to work properly so i can install 13.04 directly . . i get an error something like there
[20:37] <MRWappieBlunt> good morning
[20:37] <ehhh> there's no configuration file or something (i can bring it back up and type it in here if it can help)
[20:37] <sweettea> Tippens: check log on ssh server
[20:37] <sweettea> google error
[20:39] <ehhh> so unless i can get the usb to boot properly i'll probably have to reinstall 12.04, burn a 13.04 dvd from that computer (the dvd burner on this laptop will only burn cd'
[20:39] <ehhh> s for some unapparent reason . .
[20:39] <ehhh> and then install 13.04 . .
[20:39] <ehhh> or just stay on 12.04 . . .
[20:40] <cbryant> ehhh: Try booting into nomodeset mode
[20:40] <ehhh> cbryant: how do i do that
[20:41] <Dr_willis> !nomodeset
[20:42] <cbryant> Dr_willis: thanks
[20:48] <ehhh> i tried acpi_osi= in the terminal with no progress
[20:48] <ehhh> also tried !nomodeset but it didn't recognise it
[20:48] <ehhh> also rebooted
[20:49] <ehhh> back on the blinking line . .
[20:49] <ehhh> i'm considering re-installing the whole thing. . but does anyone know how i can get 13.04 to work properly from usb
[20:50] <ehhh> don't want to install 12.04 again and end up where i started, though if i retry that i'd probably try to set up drivers before updating
[20:50] <ehhh> everything worked fine in 12.04
[20:51] <ehhh> but i've had this problem before after upgrading ubuntu, end up with the blinking line
[20:52] <rhys> has anyone gotten DisplayLink working? I bought one specifically with the DL-195 driver which was supposed to be supported by libdlo. It shows up in dmesg with the udl framebuffer driver.
[20:53] <rhys> DL-195* chipset. USB<->DVI converter.
[20:54] <cbryant> ehhh: If you cannot boot after adding nomodeset to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= then I would start fresh
[20:55] <ehhh> so i type "grub_cmdline_linux_default=!nomodeset" in the terminal?
[20:55] <cbryant> ehhh: you need to take time to read link provided by Dr_willis
[20:56] <OerHeks> rhys, maybe this page is any help > http://how-to.cc/get-a-displaylink-video-adapter-working-with-ubuntu-12-04
[20:57] <cortexman> has anyone installed vmware tools on Ubuntu Raring? I ran dist-upgrade and I still get "is not a valid path to the 3.8.0-25-generic kernel headers". the headers are installed at /usr/src/linux-headers-2.8.0-25-generic. it should find this automagically, not sure what's up..
[20:58] <ehhh> cbryant: alright i'll try to set the grub to temporarily boot to nomodeset . . so basically i type !nomodeset after quiet splash?
[20:58] <ehhh> with the "!" ?
[20:58] <auronandace> ehhh: its a bot trigger
[20:58] <auronandace> !bot | ehhh
[20:59] <ehhh> lol, ok without the exclamation point :P
[20:59] <cbryant> yes
[21:01] <ehhh> cbryant: ok after "quiet splash" it says "$vt_handoff", do i put nomodeset in between those two?
[21:02] <absolut> #list
[21:04] <ehhh> nope, nothings happening :(
[21:04] <eastman> :)
[21:05] <marianne> not much activity on the ubuntu-touch group... has anyone here had any success loading on a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0)?
[21:06] <ech0s7> at the moment I do not remember the name of a powerful dhcp server, can you help me?
[21:06] <rhys> OerHeks, thats for 12.04. things have changed.
[21:06] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  you can replace 'quiet splash' with 'nomodeset'
[21:06] <Dr_willis> or put it btween the words
[21:07] <Abhish> Is there a channel for Xoops users?
[21:07] <Dr_willis> 'noquiet nosplash nofb nomodeset'   sould disable most of the fancy boot screen stuff and let you see error messages
[21:07] <Dr_willis> !alis | Abhish
[21:08] <Abhish> Hmm.
[21:08] <Abhish> Output no worky.
[21:08] <Dr_willis> statement so vaguey
[21:08] <ehhh> Dr_willis: i'll try that
[21:09] <ehhh> Dr_willis: so i remove quiet splash and replace it with 	'noquiet nosplash nofb nomodeset'
[21:09] <ehhh> ?
[21:09] <smallmouse> can anyone assist with trying to make sure my video card drivers are being efficiently used with my laptop - i am doing screen recording but it is not coming out properly
[21:10] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  yes.
[21:11] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  and then rerun update-grub to make it write the grub config file of course
[21:14] <smallmouse> has anyone used wine and excel 2010 ?
[21:14] <reisio> smallmouse: someone has, yes
[21:14] <music> hello
[21:14] <reisio> smallmouse: use LibreOffice instead
[21:14] <zykotick9> smallmouse: you might want to try #winehq for specific wine application support
[21:14] <reisio> music: hi
[21:15] <ehhh> Dr_willis: didn't seem to work . .
[21:15] <smallmouse> reisio: stupid corporate policies i cant
[21:15] <smallmouse> reisio: is it easy to do and are there any good instructions anywhere
[21:15] <music> is this channel on ubuntu?
[21:15] <smallmouse> music: this is ubuntu
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> music  ubuntu support
[21:15] <music> that is what it used to be on anyway
[21:15] <smallmouse> zykotick9: thank you
[21:17] <smallmouse> zykotick9: what is the difference between play on linux and wine, is play on linux pre-configured ? is it just wine but a pre-configured wine
[21:18] <smallmouse> reisio: if you know much appreciate any help thank you
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  it's a front-end for wine
[21:18] <reisio> smallmouse: why can't you?
[21:18] <smallmouse> Monkeyso if install wine and then play on linux it will do the config of wine for me ?
[21:19] <Dr_willis> playonlinux is a fancy front end that has preconfig setup for differnt apps and so forth
[21:19] <Dr_willis> I rarely need playonlinux. :)
[21:19] <smallmouse> reisio: it just stops like most microsoft stuff when installing
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> i never use wine
[21:19] <reisio> smallmouse: why can't you use LibreOffice
[21:20] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: i dont want to buy a windows licence for virtual and need excel
[21:20] <reisio> MonkeyDust: what do you use?
[21:20] <xangua> isn't there like ms office online¿
[21:20] <smallmouse> reisio: the customers require excel they are large financial institutions so i cant reall get them to change
[21:20] <Dr_willis> xangua,  i think they just came out with that.. theres other altneratives also
[21:20] <reisio> smallmouse: what they don't know won't hurt them
[21:20] <smallmouse> xangua: i suspect i need IE to do this, windows has such a grip on the world
[21:21] <Dr_willis> windows is loseing its grip every week..
[21:21] <smallmouse> reisio: loss of small things, formatting etc but makes a large difference
[21:21] <reisio> smallmouse: no it doesn't
[21:21] <Gape2> Hello
[21:21] <reisio> Gape2: hi
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> windows still is the measure of all things desktop
[21:21] <MRWappieBlunt> hi
[21:21] <Gape2> ubuntu boot repair delted windows 8 uefi boot loader, is there a way to get it back?
[21:21] <Gape2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5796504/
[21:21] <smallmouse> reisio: you saying i can run online without windows - off mozilla
[21:21] <Gape2> *deleted
[21:22] <smallmouse> Gape2: the way i put it on my desktop is to remove the hard drive completely wipe it and then install linux no hassles with the windows 8 and the bios
[21:22] <Matumemu> Hi
[21:22] <Dr_willis> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/online-spreadsheet-creation-with-excel-web-app-HA102809659.aspx
[21:22] <reisio> smallmouse: you can do all sorts of things
[21:22] <smallmouse> Gape2: and i got my windows licence back
[21:22] <reisio> smallmouse: what you _should do_ is use LibreOffice
[21:22] <reisio> Matumemu: hi
[21:22] <reisio> MRWappieBlunt: hi
[21:23] <Gape2> smallmouse: thanks for your suggestion
[21:23] <smallmouse> reisio: libreoffice is pretty nonsense as well to be honest, no wonder microsoft have the market on excel, i prefer cloud google
[21:23] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: if "windows" is your answer, you didn't understand the question...
[21:23] <reisio> smallmouse: right, but if you're already complaining about trivial cosmetic formatting differences, if I suggested to you to use gnumeric or something even leaner, you'd just complain more :p
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> zykotick9  ?
[21:24] <Dr_willis> !info sc
[21:24] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: just replying to your "windows still is the measure of all things desktop" statement
[21:24] <reisio> Gape2: ask #windows
[21:24] <Dr_willis> i still recall when spreadsheets were about the numbers. ;)
[21:24] <smallmouse> reisio: i have to use excel, i dont like libre, used to use open office and lost days and days of work with crashes, have concluded that no one can yet beat excel, sorry
[21:25] <reisio> well they certainly aren't about cosmetic formatting, even now
[21:25] <reisio> though many people are convinced they are
[21:25] <Gape2> reisio: I'm wondering if boot repair made any copy of it .. it seems the first thing it did was rm /mnt/boot-sav/sda1/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi ...
[21:25] <wilee-nilee> Gape2, YOu have grub in the mbr the bootrepair toll does not show it putting it there, It should not be there. Start a thread at the ubuntu forums and post that script, the best help is there.
[21:25] <ehhh> ok i'm thinking fresh install here. . if i were to stay on one build , say 12.04 or 13.04 (assuming i can get the usb to boot properly) which would be the best choice? this is going to be a media center pc for music and movies and if i feel like surfing the big screen . .
[21:25] <reisio> smallmouse: if you just said Windows+Excel is more stable than GNU/Linux+LibreOffice, I truly feel sorry for you
[21:25] <reisio> ...as you are deluded
[21:25] <reisio> Gape2: #windows :)
[21:26] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  that's like hating cars and not having one, but still wanting others to you everywhere, for free
[21:26] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  for just video player - it wont matter much. xbmc should run on either.
[21:26] <MonkeyDust> to drive you*
[21:26] <ehhh> every time i've tried to update ubuntu on this computer before i get this same error so i
[21:26] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  driver/hardware support may be the bigger issue.
[21:26] <Dr_willis> I rarely upgrade to the next release. i tend to do clean installs
[21:26] <cbryant> ehhh: try xbmcbuntu
[21:26] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: not my fault, but i did get a redund of the licecece fee for windows 8 a whole $120 USD so i am doing my bit and gave 50% back to ubuntu foundation
[21:27] <Gape2> wilee-nilee: mbr doesn't matter, it boots fine with uefi... what happened here is that boot repair instead of creating it's own entry for boot, deleted windows uefi boot and made it's now
[21:27] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: but it still leave me with a problem of excel
[21:27] <Gape2> *and copied it's own there with same name, so if i click "Windows" in efi boot it actually boots grub
[21:28] <ehhh> Dr_willis: yeah i think clean installs will be the way to go, if i upgrade the main disc to a ssd and switch the secondary for a bigger one that would be great. .
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  the linux solution to excel issues is: libre office, but you don't want that
[21:29] <wilee-nilee> Gape2, Be that it may your best help ia at the ubuntu forums.
[21:29] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: i want excel until some one develops libreoffice to a better standard and makes it reliable...
[21:29] <Guest61713> guys anyway to reset your samba password if you forget it
[21:29] <ehhh> cbryant: xbmcbuntu is exclusively xbmc? i want to use standalone music players to control via android though . . i've got a huge music library and need it to be portioned though i will admit i haven't been testing out xbmc too much yet
[21:29] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: its not my fault windows has taken over the corporates
[21:29] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  and why are you asking here? what do we have to do with excel?
[21:30] <ehhh> cbryant: only been using it for navi-x which i hope to get working on the media center pc as well
[21:30] <SolarisBoy> Guest61713: smbpasswd command should do it for you
[21:30] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: i just want to install it on linux
[21:30] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  on linux too, you'd need an excel licence
[21:31] <Guest61713> SolarisBoy, thnx you will try that
[21:31] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: yes i have one
[21:31] <SolarisBoy> smallmouse: use crossover linux or wine then - i have used crossover in the past i can say all but exchange client works well in it. (atleast 2003 versions)
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  then what's keeping you? install wine, then excel
[21:32] <cbryant> ehhh: I would just look into it, xbmc handles all media types, and xbmcbuntu use lxde which I love, then you can install any applications you normally use
[21:32] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: its not working though it just crashes out on install
[21:32] <smallmouse> SolarisBoy: ok let me try crossover
[21:32] <Gape2> wilee-nilee: ok will do, thanks
[21:34] <ehhh> cbryant: do you know how i would go to control xbmcbuntu? the xbmc apps i've seen for android are designed like regular remote controls . . my plan is to browse through the music library with my phone (on the phone, like for example sonos, but with a pc instead). do you have any experience with the apps?
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  is that 2007 version?
[21:35] <datgame> hi
[21:35] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: 2010
[21:35] <james41382> Hi
[21:35] <james41382> I have a question..
[21:35] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=11
[21:35] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: i have a 2007 version but i need 2010
[21:35] <SolarisBoy> may have been some changes in compatibility at that point - yep check the appdb
[21:35] <dizzylizzy> If I were to install Ubuntu onto a second partition, my primary one housing another linux distro, what harm might I incur by NOT installing a bootloader with Ubuntu?
[21:36] <datgame> it's the same if i download ubuntu 12.04 and change to xfce DE and if download xubuntu 12.04?
[21:36] <james41382> I am new to Linux and OpenJDK is the default, but I installed Oracle's JDK too.
[21:36] <dizzylizzy> Could I just update the grub in my other partition's distro and have it recognize ubuntu, or do I have to install the bootloader for ubuntu at least somewhere
[21:36] <james41382> I am using Eclipse for a Java class in school, but when I update-alternatives and switch to the Oracle JDK Eclipse will not open.
[21:36] <Dr_willis> datgame,  basically. :)
[21:37] <SolarisBoy> james41382: depending on how you install it - the JAVA alternatives don't get set
[21:37] <Dr_willis> datgame,  i install all the major desktops  on my main machine.. so people can use what they want
[21:37] <wilee-nilee> dizzylizzy, Ubuntu wont install with the boot, however if you want the other linux to be the boot control, use the manual install and put grub in the OS not the mbr
[21:37] <datgame> there is not diffence at all
[21:37] <wilee-nilee> without*
[21:37] <datgame> ?
[21:37] <SolarisBoy> james41382: you may want to figure how to run it from the CLI and see if there are any errors at startup
[21:37] <Dr_willis> datgame,  you have ubuntu/unity and  the other desktop both..
[21:37] <Dr_willis> select at the login screen
[21:37] <james41382> CLI?
[21:38] <Dr_willis> !cli
[21:38] <Flyman> is their any generic terminal command that resets all Unity on 13.04?
[21:38] <Dr_willis> Flyman,  'resets all' is vague.. and No i doubt if there is.
[21:38] <james41382> I am fairly comfortable with a shell
[21:38] <Flyman> hmm
[21:38] <Dr_willis> unless you want to give more details Flyman
[21:38] <james41382> I would like to use Eclipse in the GUI.
[21:38] <datgame> iam just worried about battery duration
[21:39] <SolarisBoy> james41382: im just asking you to start it from the CLI as sometimes messages come into it you wont see when gui apps fail...
[21:39] <Dr_willis> datgame,  i dont see how having other desktops installed would affect battery life.
[21:39] <Dr_willis> just take up HD space when not used
[21:39] <james41382> Okay I will try this..
[21:39] <kostkon> Flyman, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-reset-compiz-and-unity-in-ubuntu.html
[21:39] <wilee-nilee> datgame, If you use the ubuntu download and add xfce/xubuntu you will have both, however you can remove the ubuntu if you want by going to the psychocats website and looking at playing around
[21:39] <zykotick9> datgame: ubuntu is still ubuntu, where you use xubuntu or ubuntu and then install xfce.  it's the same under the hood, either way.
[21:39] <datgame> so xfce consumes less power than unity
[21:40] <Flyman> Dr_willis, i installed Gnome staging ppa, then when i went into Unity the icons where all double an stuff. I purged gnome stageing an just re-installed, im hoping it helped. Im on KDE now.
[21:40] <james41382> I see the same error as if I had opened it from the GUI.
[21:40] <gordonjcp> datgame: no
[21:40] <Flyman> kostkon,  ty
[21:40] <gordonjcp> datgame: they're about the same
[21:40] <Dr_willis> double stuff? Like Oreo Cookies?
[21:40] <ehhh> ok so i'm trying to make a bootable 13.04 usb, i read that using fat16 should help on the problem i'm having but that i'm limited to 512mb per folder, and there's a folder called casper that houses 763mb. . anyone know what to do?
[21:40] <Dr_willis> 512mb per folder? Hmm.. cant say ive ever seen that mentioned.. ever
[21:41] <Dr_willis> that dosent make a lot of sence
[21:41] <wilee-nilee> ehhh, What is the goal fully with this usb?
[21:41] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  no real reason to not use fat32
[21:41] <zykotick9> ehhh: i highly doubt fat16 (vs fat32) is your issue... but maybe...
[21:41] <ehhh> Dr_willis: yeah i read it off yahoo so i'll probably just give it a go
[21:41] <Flyman> Dr_willis,  LOL. the icons had two of each over lapping each other. Same with the menu bars dash ext. after using gnome staging ppa and gnome ppa..
[21:41] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  the tools at pendrivelinux can normally format the USB as needed
[21:42] <fully_human> Hello. I'm doing pygtk (python 3 and Gtk + 3.0) development. For some reason whenever I load one window I get the following error: "Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_icon_set_render_icon_pixbuf: assertion `icon_set != NULL' failed" It's pointing to a line that doesn't exist in the program (so I'm assuming it's the compiled code). Any ideas? Thanks.
[21:43] <dizzylizzy> wilee-nilee, so install the bootloader to /dev/vg0/ubuntu instead of /dev/sda, then
[21:43] <ehhh> yeah i tried using universal usb creator but i just get the error when i try to boot it "ERROR: No configuration file found No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found boot:"
[21:43] <Flyman> very cool kostkon. I love webupd8
[21:43] <ehhh> i also tried unetbootin with the same results
[21:43] <dizzylizzy> and it works, to just point it to the partition? grub will figure out to put it into the /boot folder and everything?
[21:43] <Flyman> Andrew its author rox
[21:43] <kostkon> fully_human, you could also ask in #ubuntu-app-devel  how do you import gtk
[21:43] <kostkon> Flyman, yes a useful blog
[21:43] <Dr_willis> fully_human,  i think that also may be related to what theme you are using
[21:44] <fully_human> kostkon: Thanks. :-)
[21:44] <wilee-nilee> dizzylizzy, what is  /dev/vg0 is this a luks partitioning?
[21:46] <fully_human> kostkon: Doesn't look like #ubuntu-app-devel's a channel.
[21:46] <wilee-nilee> dizzylizzy, Basically if you want to keep the original boot control you point grub from the manual install at the ubuntu partition.
[21:46] <fully_human> kostkon: Never mind. :
[21:47] <wilee-nilee> there is a drop down in the something other option (manual install) choose the ubuntu partition there.
[21:48] <dizzylizzy> wilee-nilee, it's my logical partition for ubuntu, okay, I'll be sure to do that then, thank you!
[21:48] <ehhh> anyone have any idea what to do about this error i get when trying to boot 13.04 off usb? "ERROR: No configuration file found No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found boot:"
[21:48] <wilee-nilee> dizzylizzy, No problem.
[21:49] <wilee-nilee> just update-grub in the other to pickup ubuntu is all
[21:49] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  how did you make the USB?
[21:50] <ehhh> Dr_willis: i tried both the linked usb creator from ubuntu.com and unetbootin, both yield the same results
[21:50] <forgotmynick> How can I test if my crystalhd decoder is working or installed?
[21:50] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  i suggest trying some of the tools from Pendrivelinux web site
[21:50] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  looks like it dident properly setup the bootloader
[21:50] <Dr_willis> and i would reformat the usb
[21:51] <sinusss> hi i want to learn load balancing. do I have 2 separate EC2 instances? what if I had a LAMP stack running on both, do I have to update 2 sets of sites?
[21:52] <ehhh> Dr_willis: yes i've tried universal boot loader off pendrivelinux, it's what i used for initially when i tried to install 12.04 on another computer (not the one i'm trying to get working now)
[21:52] <ehhh> Dr_willis: seems it only has a problem with 13.04
[21:53] <Dr_willis> its what i use for 13.04 with no hassles.
[21:53] <ehhh> i reformat the pendrive every time i restart this procedure . .
[21:53] <Dr_willis> you could also go hard core and image the ISO directly to the USB
[21:53] <Dr_willis> via dd, or some windows imageing tools
[21:53] <Dr_willis> or setup grub2 on the usb to boot the iso file
[21:53] <ehhh> yeah it creates a proper image because it shows as install ubuntu on windows.  .
[21:53] <ehhh> is that a complicated process?
[21:54] <Dr_willis> pendrivelinux has tools to do both ways
[21:54] <gordonjcp> ehhh: if you dd the iso to the USB drive it should boot
[21:54] <Dr_willis> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/liveusb-install-live-usb-creator/
[21:54] <Dr_willis> that tool can 'image' the iso to usb. wich is basically the same as using 'dd'
[21:55] <LucidDreamZzZ> i thiunk i had the nv 96 drivers installes on the current lts...  is this possible??  how did i do it??
[21:55] <ehhh> alright, i'll give it a shot
[21:55] <cornfeedhobo> excuse me, I am having an issue i have never had on any linux system.... I have a route that appears to have been saved, but i never explicitly saved this route,,,, or even set one up in the first place.... is there a way i can get it to go away permanently?
[21:55] <LucidDreamZzZ> i am trying to do it now and it says no
[21:55] <ehhh> lol trojan
[21:56] <Dr_willis> cornfeedhobo,  what route do you mean?
[21:57] <cornfeedhobo> Dr_willis: network route, i.e. "route"
[21:57] <Dr_willis> thats dynamiacly made i thought
[21:57] <Dr_willis> dynamic. :)
[21:57] <cornfeedhobo> Dr_willis: thats what i thought!
[21:57] <cornfeedhobo> and i only have one linux desktop
[21:58] <Dr_willis> im not clear on why that statement matters.
[21:58] <cornfeedhobo> everything eles i do is servers... and NetworkManager seems to throw a wrench into the normal approach
[21:58] <fungus817> hey im running lubuntu 13.04 i think my color depth is off how do i check to see what my color depth is?
[21:58] <smoke_> i removed some packages with apt-get and now when i run lxterminal im getting a path error  with git-sh-prompt
[21:58] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I only use network manager.
[21:58] <smoke_> where do i find this env var to remove? .pam_enviroment doesnt have it
[21:58] <ehhh> Dr_willis: should I choose ubuntu as distribution or ubuntu GNOME?
[21:58] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  ubuntu gnome comes with GNOME by default.. depends on what iso  you have, or want
[21:59] <james41382> SolarisBoy: I got it. Thanks.
[22:00] <fungus817> whats the command to check what my color depth is?
[22:00] <ehhh> Dr_willis: i'm just gonna go with normal ubuntu amd64 . . i want the compability of gnome though i really prefer the gui of x, but for this purpose i think gnome should be just fine . . so i guess i just choose "ubuntu" then . .
[22:00] <LucidDreamZzZ> arrgh i should have backed up except im not sure if it was LTS or no
[22:01] <LucidDreamZzZ> is anyone running nv 96 what is the trick?
[22:01] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  they all use 'x' for the foundation of the GUI. and its trivial to install other desktops after install
[22:01] <ehhh> Dr_willis: i never could get xfce or blackbox to work after installing normal ubuntu :P
[22:02] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  cant see why they would be an issue..
[22:02] <ehhh> just couldn't get the gui to show lol
[22:02] <Dr_willis> they add entry to the login screen you select.. and they worked for me last i tried
[22:02] <Dr_willis> blackbox dosent really have much of a gui.
[22:03] <fungus817> alright... color depth is 15... need to bump that up
[22:03] <ehhh> yeah blackbox is performance wise the best choice, but this was . . 7 years ago?
[22:03] <Dr_willis> fungus817,  thats what we were telling you all night last night wasent it? ;)
[22:03] <dizzylizzy> I have an ISO I'd like to boot, but do not have an external physical medium capable of supporting its size. Do I have any options to boot a minimal iso and load the larger ISO from disk in another partition or something?
[22:03] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  performance wise? thats like   comparing the MPG of a Model T to a mondern car. ;)
[22:03] <Dr_willis> blackbox is JUST a window manager..
[22:04] <fungus817> yeah trying to figure out how to change it
[22:04] <Dr_willis> jwm may be lighter then blackbox. ;)
[22:04] <Dr_willis> but its even smaller in feature set
[22:04] <Dr_willis> dizzylizzy,  whats on the pc now?
[22:04] <ehhh> yeah i ended up using xfce and debian and i loved it
[22:04] <fungus817> i dont have xorg.conf...
[22:04] <Dr_willis> fungus817,  you can make one.
[22:04] <fungus817> not sure how to create one
[22:05] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/search?q=make+xorg.conf
[22:05] <fungus817> whats the command line to create one
[22:05] <dizzylizzy> Dr_willis, Debian. I think I found the guide I wanted on the ubuntu wiki, sorry nvm
[22:05] <alex_603> dizzylizzy: you can make a grub entry for that
[22:05] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/1557/how-to-change-the-color-depth
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> dizzylizzy, Did you find the boot ISO from grub2 wiki?
[22:06] <smallmouse> ok another question
[22:06] <smallmouse> my ms install is dead
[22:06] <smallmouse> if i take out wine will this delete everything
[22:06] <Dr_willis> fungus817,   i think you need whats in the last URL i gave (the last answer) in the xorg.conf file  edited as needed
[22:07] <smallmouse> and i can start again, please no lectures on why i should not use wine, i know this
[22:07] <fungus817> thank u
[22:07] <Dr_willis> dizzylizzy,  :) you can set grub2 to boot ISO files from your /boot/ partion   - its handy
[22:07] <wilee-nilee> smallmouse, If you purge wine yse.
[22:07] <wilee-nilee> yes
[22:07] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  what ms install?  'ms' is vague
[22:07] <ehhh> Dr_willis: i tried the iso writer though now i just get "boot error"
[22:07] <smallmouse> wilee-nilee: just uninstall ? ms excel
[22:07] <Dr_willis> uninstalling 'wine' will NOT remove the stuff you have in the users .wine directory
[22:08] <smallmouse> so delete the .wine directory
[22:08] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: so delete the wine directory ?
[22:08] <Dr_willis> if you dont want it.. yes.
[22:08] <fungus817> looks hairy
[22:08] <BLZbubba> if i have a window that takes up a majority of the screen, and i switch to another virtual desktop and back, ubuntu maximizes it for me
[22:08] <Dr_willis> you dont need to uninstall wine to do that. ;)
[22:08] <wilee-nilee> smallmouse, I have used playon linux it s basically a wine gu and it removed a word install I had and allowed a new install of it.
[22:08] <wilee-nilee> gui
[22:08] <BLZbubba> is there an easy way to disable the auto maximize?
[22:09] <Dr_willis> fungus817,  looks rather trivial to me...  edit one file. add like 6 lines.
[22:09] <cornfeedhobo> Dr_willis: fixed. network manager somehow saved a static ip i set as an addition address when i switched back to dhcp. oh well. take care
[22:09] <smallmouse> wilee-nilee: yes i started off wrong and now its messed up, i cant wait till someone improves libre office
[22:09] <Dr_willis> cornfeedhobo,  my router rembers ip/mac  - so i basically get static with dhcp
[22:10] <Dr_willis> BLZbubba,  what window is doing that? ive never seen that  happen
[22:10] <lordcirth> I'm trying to use gvfs-mount with a smb:// URI to mount a share.  But I need to be able to connect to the SMB server as a specific user, with a password.  How do I do this?
[22:10] <cornfeedhobo> Dr_willis: yeah. its because i was messing around at the datacenter.. this one was all my foult mixed with a bit of being new with network manager
[22:10] <wilee-nilee> smallmouse, I found using wine problematic though no updates for the word, and it would funky controls on resizing etc. If I were you I would just have a windows virtual and run wine there.
[22:10] <cornfeedhobo> :D
[22:10] <mmercer> lo all...
[22:10] <wilee-nilee> doh not wine word*
[22:10] <lordcirth> smallmouse: Just out of interest, what is the feature that you need MS Office for?
[22:10] <mmercer> how do you determine who the packager is for a package in ubuntu, or is there no "specific packager" for any given package ?
[22:10] <Dr_willis> lordcirth,  you could mount the share by hand as one way around it. - I thought the nautiuls connect  to server...  item  had a way to enter the info also
[22:11] <lordcirth> Dr_willis: I need a command line way, it has to run on login
[22:11] <smallmouse> lordcirth: i find libre office buggy and visually very difficult to work with
[22:11] <Dr_willis> lordcirth,  thats even easier.. add entry to the /etc/fstab or /etc/rc.local
[22:11] <fungus817> im trying...
[22:11] <smallmouse> lordcirth: also my customers require excel so i can lose formatting etc, have tried hard but customers not having any of it
[22:11] <lordcirth> smallmouse: interface is opinion I guess, I like it.  But buggy? That's odd.
[22:12] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  but the customers are ok with running linux?
[22:12] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: i only do financials so they are happy with linux, better protection and encrytption, but my product is delieved on excel :-(
[22:12] <ehhh> what mode should i use in live-usb-install? the last one i tried now was "distribution", should i try "wingrub iso chainloader" or something?
[22:12] <fungus817> mv: cannot stat ‘xorg.conf.new’: No such file or directory
[22:13] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  for the best excel experience.. i imagine you are going to have to use windows.
[22:13] <forgotmynick> if something is listed under `lspci` does that mean the drivers are installed?
[22:13] <reisio> ehhh: what's the problem?
[22:13] <Dr_willis> fungus817,  typo on your part. or you are confused as to what you are doing.
[22:13] <reisio> forgotmynick: no
[22:13] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: thanks for this :-(
[22:13] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  with wine, some excel update. COULD break it running wine.. then where would they be.
[22:14] <lordcirth> Dr_willis: It's a multiple workstation deployment, for a school - if possible I want them to login as Guest, then be prompted for a user/pass to a network drive.
[22:14] <Dr_willis> or some wine update COULD break excel.. if you could get it working
[22:14] <ehhh> reisio: i'm trying to get 13.04 to boot off of a usb pendrive but i keep getting errors, first i got "no configuration file", i've tried 3 different programs
[22:14] <fungus817> yes im very confused
[22:14] <cornfeedhobo> ehhh: YUMI
[22:14] <reisio> ehhh: did you try dd?
[22:14] <Dr_willis> lordcirth,  you may need to check into that 'autofs' stuff then. Ive never done a setup like tat.. that is NOT mounting it at boot time. so fstab would not apply
[22:14] <ehhh> cornfeedhobo: i'll give it a try as well
[22:15] <ehhh> reisio: what's dd?
[22:15] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: i did have 97 working before but took some effort, did not document now back to start again, i have 2010 as well but i suspect this will be even more challenging.  I did not want to use virtualbox as i dont want to give more money to these people
[22:15] <Dr_willis> fungus817,  you basically are adding 6 lines to xorg.conf ?
[22:15] <reisio> ehhh: the simplest way
[22:15] <cornfeedhobo> ehhh: i keep a usb stick with like 15 (32gb) different bootable images on it. YUMI makes a nice boot menu and everything. I really impressed clients when I was doing bench repair
[22:15] <reisio> ehhh: but if you're on Windows, try http://unetbootin.sf.net/ first
[22:16] <fungus817> sigh... ok... what 6 lines
[22:16] <Dr_willis> fungus817,  the last 'answer' on that url i pasted showed the lines
[22:16] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/1557/how-to-change-the-color-depth
[22:16] <ehhh> cornfeedhobo: sounds great if i can get it to work :P let me witness the power
[22:16] <cornfeedhobo> ehhh: it doesnt handle everything perfectly, but it handles most everything. I even have Hiren's bootcd and a windows install iso on this thing. its amazing
[22:16] <Dr_willis> Section "Screen"  ........
[22:16] <LucidDreamZzZ> reinstalling lts
[22:16] <cornfeedhobo> ehhh: you have to use it from a windows host
[22:17] <Dr_willis> fungus817,  what were you even trying to do if not add those lines?
[22:17] <ehhh> reisio: i've tried unetbootin already, universal usb creator and live-usb-install, yes i'm on windows
[22:17] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: i have removed wine but it still shows the microsoft sotware - is this due to the user directory ?
[22:17] <lordcirth> Dr_willis: I will read up on autofs, thanks
[22:17] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  icons in the users .conf files somewhere i imagine (well .desktop launchers)
[22:17] <reisio> ehhh: dd then
[22:17] <kostkon> smallmouse, in the dash?
[22:18] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  removeing the wine package will not remove stuff from the users home. wine installs stuff into .wine AND makes launchers in some other .config/applications/ directrory i recall
[22:18] <smallmouse> kostkon: yes on the classic menu under wine
[22:18] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: just delete the .wine from the users
[22:19] <cornfeedhobo> ehhh: you might start by dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/usdstick to make sure the next format is done from a fresh base
[22:19] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  the launcher .desktop files are NOT in the .wine directory
[22:19] <kostkon> smallmouse, find and delete their .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications
[22:19] <Dr_willis> A+ kostkon  :P
[22:19] <kostkon> ;)
[22:19] <Dr_willis> i never can rember where they are at.
[22:19] <Dr_willis> i tend to not worry about it
[22:20] <smallmouse> kostkon: shall i just delete this directory
[22:20] <ehhh> cornfeedhobo: i didn't understand what you just said
[22:20] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  delete the .desktop LAUNCHER files.. not the whole dir
[22:20] <Dr_willis> users can have non-wine stuff in there as well
[22:21] <fungus801> had to reboot... can i get those links again? i guess ill write them down cuz once i switch to virtual machine or whatever i dont know how to get back
[22:21] <kostkon> smallmouse, it's an important folder, don't delete it. used by all the DEs. it could be also a freedesktop standard or even stored in a xdg var, im not sure though
[22:22] <fungus801> ill write the code down and than give it another go...
[22:22] <smallmouse> kostkon: if i delete everthing that says .wine ?
[22:22] <kostkon> smallmouse, delete anything you like ;)
[22:23] <lhx5> just don't sudo rm -rf /
[22:23] <Dr_willis> fungus801,  virtual machine?
[22:23] <fungus801> dr.willis?
[22:23] <fungus801> or whatever its called
[22:23] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/1557/how-to-change-the-color-depth
[22:23] <fungus801> ctr f1
[22:23] <smallmouse> kostkon: mimeinfo ?
[22:23] <lhx5> smallmouse: (I'm serious... don't type what i typed)
[22:23] <Dr_willis> you can do that work from a terminal window on the desktop
[22:23] <kostkon> smallmouse, better leave that file
[22:23] <fungus801> im sorry but im not very linux savy
[22:23] <fungus801> ah virtual console...
[22:24] <smallmouse> kostkon: how do i ls rubbuish just wanted to list what i deleted just in case
[22:24] <zykotick9> fungus801: alt+f7 (or perhaps alt+f8 sometimes) to get back to GUI-land
[22:24] <fungus801> now once i create another virtual console can i switch back and forth to this console?
[22:24] <fungus801> ah
[22:24] <fungus801> kk
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> Does anyone know how to set icons in openbox as a standalone WM.
[22:25] <kostkon> smallmouse, i always forget that:  ls ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[22:25] <fungus801> even after running sudo service gdm stop
[22:25] <zykotick9> fungus801: when you are in Xorg you need ctrl+alt+FN key, when you're in "linux console" just alt+FN key or alt+arrow-keys to switch
[22:25] <lordcirth> ActionParsnip: You need a file manager that supports adding desktop icons
[22:26] <fungus801> hmmmm... i think ill just write it down
[22:27] <krabador> hi people, what's the correct dpkg -reconfigure -a
[22:27] <krabador> tu recover a corrupted upgrade?
[22:27] <krabador> *to
[22:27] <ehhh> yumi gave me the same error as universal usb creator . .
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> lordcirth: its not for desktop icons, its for the theme inside apps like pcmanfm etc
[22:27] <smallmouse> kostkon: i have deleted these files http://pastebin.com/e8FhZVHP
[22:28] <zykotick9> krabador: try "gpkd --reconfigure -a" if there are more then one letter (ie a word), use two dashes.
[22:28] <mmercer> I have installed icinga on a 12.04 box, and am attempting to install nagios-nrpe-plugin (since icinga is built from nagios-core to begin with), problem is, apparently icinga isnt satisfying the deps for nagios-nrpe-plugin.... what would the recommended way of resolving this be under ubuntu ?
[22:28] <kostkon> smallmouse, seems fine. i guess youve just deleted the whole wine submenu
[22:28] <krabador> zykotick9, you mean dpkg ?
[22:28] <zykotick9> krabador: s/gpkd/dpks/  <- yes i do ;)
[22:29] <Dr_willis> fungus801,  lightdm is the default these days not 'gdm'
[22:29] <ehhh> ok i went and tried it on another computer, it boots fine there so there must be something on this computer i'm trying to install it to that it just won't accept my usb . .
[22:29] <smallmouse> kostkon: i just wanted to remove everything and start again as microsfot stuff just gets left all around the place
[22:29] <ehhh> man i wish i had some dvd's right now
[22:29] <kostkon> smallmouse, yeah. last step is to delete the .wine folder :P
[22:29] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  if you use wine.. just deleteing the .wine DIRECTORY in the users home will clean out all the stuff the USER installed with wine. No need to remove the 'wine' package from software center
[22:29] <zykotick9> i'm not even going to comment about the dpks typo...
[22:29] <ehhh> why didn't they fit 13.04 on a cdrom! :(
[22:30] <lordcirth> ActionParsnip: oh, well, that's usually controlled by the FM, unless it supports theming
[22:30] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  better to ask why it took them so long to get awqay from the ancient cdrom limited size
[22:30] <fungus801> oh so do sudo service lightdm stop and start?
[22:30] <Dr_willis> fungus801,  ligghtdm is the dfault since like 12.04 i belive \
[22:30] <lordcirth> ehhh: Because if it has only a CD drive, you really don't want to run Unity on it anyway
[22:30] <fungus801> k hanks gonna give this a shot
[22:31] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: ok thanks for this, i configured wine incorrectly and the office install crashed thats why i thought better to start again, but if this is not required then i will remember for next time
[22:31] <ehhh> lordcirth: it has a dvd burner, it's this laptop i'm using that has a malfunctioning burner when it comes to dvds so i ran out before it would work
[22:31] <smallmouse> thank you all for your help, much appreciated
[22:32] <lordcirth> ehhh: Use a USB stick?
[22:33] <ehhh> lordcirth: that's what i'm trying but my stationary which i'm trying to install it to won't accept it for some reason
[22:33] <lordcirth> ehhh: error on boot, doesn't see it as bootable, what?
[22:33] <ehhh> lordcirth: yes
[22:34] <lordcirth> ehhh: which one? lol
[22:34] <lordcirth> ehhh: BIOS says no OS found on the drive?
[22:34] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  thats a major linux vs windows differance. :) system stuff and user stuff has a huge wall of seperation between the 2
[22:34] <ehhh> lordcirth: the most common i've had today is "ERROR: No configuration file found No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found boot:"
[22:35] <ehhh> i just had that one right now but it boots on my other laptop. .
[22:35] <lordcirth> ehhh: You get a boot: prompt?
[22:35] <LucidDreamZzZ> hi how to rebbuild the  initramfs?
[22:35] <smallmouse> Dr_willis:  hopefully never have to move to a windows OS this would kill me
[22:35] <SKYLAKE-10nm> hi grawity
[22:35] <xente> sudo update-initramfs -k
[22:35] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  i will suprised if excel works for you in wine really...
[22:36] <LucidDreamZzZ> hmm ok thanks got it
[22:36] <xente> err.... -u
[22:36] <LucidDreamZzZ> u?
[22:36] <LucidDreamZzZ> ok thnakks
[22:36] <moses> anyone here know fortran very well?
[22:36] <ehhh> lordcirth: no i don't think so, it's that error that's recurring . . i had a simple "boot error" when using yumi
[22:36] <reisio> moses: someone does, yes
[22:36] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: i did have it working before but not 2010 and after a lot of trouble, trial and error, but never recorded the settings :-(
[22:36] <Dr_willis> moses,  egads...  ;)
[22:36] <moses> lol
[22:36] <moses> I need someone for a fortran reference
[22:36] <reisio> higher percentage of people in #fortran
[22:36] <Dr_willis> smallmouse,  3 years of MS updates to their products......
[22:37] <moses> the #fortran people are dead
[22:37] <moses> they are so old
[22:37] <smallmouse> Dr_willis: that has probably done it :-(
[22:37] <xente> I know Fortran
[22:37] <k1l_> moses: then try the #ubuntu-offtopic . this is a ubuntu support channel
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> moses, You're not so young yourself 2000 years
[22:37] <fungus184> Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 	If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock 	and start again.  (EE)
[22:38] <pheonixash> hello all could someone help with a c++ issue?
[22:38] <lordcirth> ehhh: If you get a "boot: " message that is usually an interactive prompt, are you sure you can't type?
[22:38] <lordcirth> ehhh: Have you tried dd'ing the ISO to the USB like someone suggested?
[22:38] <reisio> Phoenixz: #c++
[22:39] <reisio> hrmmm
[22:39] <ehhh> lordcith: there is a "boot:" and i can type, i didn't notice yet
[22:39] <Phoenixz> reisio: php?
[22:39] <lordcirth> ehhh: Try "help"
[22:39] <reisio> Phoenixz: hrmm?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  this same flash drive has worked on other pcs?
[22:39] <Phoenixz> you said c++, I say php...
[22:39] <ehhh> "could not find kernel image: help"
[22:40] <ehhh> yes i just pulled it out of my other laptop and it booted fine
[22:40] <reisio> Phoenixz: that's nice
[22:40] <Phoenixz> yah
[22:40] <ehhh> i've probably formated this thing 15 times today lol
[22:40] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  that points to a weird quirk with the pc or usb,
[22:40] <baegle> Does anyone know what pan1 is in my ifconfig? I can't find any information on google about it
[22:40] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  ive had older usb flash drives not work with some pcs and visa versa..
[22:40] <zykotick9> ehhh: booting from grub's "boot:" prompt, is non-trivial!  good luck with that.  i'd suggest fixing grub myself...  (don't reply to me, i won't see it)
[22:41] <fungus184> anyone willing to help walk me thru changing my color depth as i just dont know much about linux and am completly lost. my default depth is 15 and i would very much like to raise it
[22:41] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  so. the USB does work on a 2nd pc.. but not the first pc..
[22:41] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and paste in those lines at that askubuntu.com answer. changeing the depth line to be whats needed. and save/restart the x server
[22:42] <lordcirth> ehhh: Do you have a Linux system available?  If so, dd is probably the easiest way to use a USB
[22:42] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  unless of course its some weird hardware issue limiting you to 15 bit depth
[22:43] <ehhh> lordcirth: no i do not have linux installed on anything currently except this pc i'm using, i can install 12.04 over again because 12.04 works but after i updated to 12.10 i just lost the video signal
[22:43] <ehhh> this pc i'm trying to install to*
[22:43] <reisio> ehhh: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd you just have to be careful with the syntax
[22:43] <fungus184> paste in which lines
[22:44] <WHAT_UP> is there a reason 12.04 is still on kernel version 3.2, or is it safe to install linux-image-3.8.* ?
[22:44] <fungus184> how do i save? sudo save?
[22:44] <reisio> fungus184: CTRL+s?
[22:44] <k1l_> WHAT_UP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[22:45] <Dr_willis> WHAT_UP,  i recall askubuntu.com mentiing how to properly get the newer kernel from the repos
[22:45] <zykotick9> WHAT_UP: do you have a hardware reason for 3.8?
[22:45] <WHAT_UP> zykotick9: yeah. seems some people have had more success with certain cheapo bluetooth dongles after upgrading to 3.5 or higher
[22:46] <fungus184> how can i edit that file if i dont have it
[22:46] <zykotick9> WHAT_UP: i could see that...  well, good luck.
[22:46] <fungus184> i dont have xorg.conf
[22:46] <zykotick9> guntbert: are you using nvidia or ati?
[22:47] <zykotick9> fungus184: see above.  guntbert sorry.
[22:47] <fungus184> in /x11 there is no xorg.conf
[22:47] <zykotick9> fungus184: for many cards, you don't need an xorg.conf anymore!
[22:48] <zykotick9> fungus184: and it's /etc/X11/ capitalization counts in unix-world
[22:49] <WHAT_UP> k1l_: looks like quantal should be sufficient for my uses. am i safe running that command, then?
[22:49] <fungus184> im sooo ready to smash this com
[22:49] <xcaliber178> Hi. Since Mint is a offshoot of Ubuntu, will programs that run on Ubuntu ran the same on Mint?
[22:49] <zykotick9> xcaliber178: ask mint support (ie that's not here)
[22:50] <k1l_> WHAT_UP: i cant guarantee you to be safe. i use that newer kernel on my server and the update worked. the new 12.04.2 install isos do ship the newer kernel by default
[22:50] <kostkon> WHAT_UP, yes. it's an officially supported upgrade path. you'll still get updates as normal
[22:50] <fungus184> i seriously need one code at a time
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> WHAT_UP, There is a stack upgrade for 12.04 I believe 32  bit only that leads to 3.5
[22:50] <xcaliber178> yea that would probably be better
[22:51] <k1l_> wilee-nilee: the enablement stack is not 32bit only.(see the link above)
[22:51] <fungus184> i know this is simple enough for u guys but just imagine for a sec that to someone else it is not
[22:53] <ehhh> ok i've got dd up but i have no idea what to do . .
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> k1l_, Cool, there was a limitation before.
[22:53] <mamee> hi
[22:54] <WHAT_UP> mamee: what's up?
[22:54] <k1l_> wilee-nilee: dont mixup with the non-pae stuff
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> k1l_, I didn't.
[22:54] <k1l_> wilee-nilee: ok :)
[22:54] <fungus184> i really need some step by step instructions to creating and editing xorg so i can raise my default color depth from 15 to mebbe 24
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> k1l_, I had that stack update brick my 64 bit when it was not setup for it, thankfully I clone everything, I missed the notation though in the wiki.
[22:55] <sneex> Is this the correct syntax for hosts.deny:   ALL: ALL except sshd: sl62.ccsh.site 192.168.1.99 192.168.1.69
[22:56] <jrib> fungus184: how did you determine it is 15?
[22:56] <fungus184> i dont remember...
[22:56] <fungus184> trial and error
[22:56] <doug__> what application can I use to view my jpg pics from my iPhone along with gps info or indicators on google maps?
[22:56] <zykotick9> "stack upgrade"?  is ubuntu not familiar with the term backport?</ot>
[22:56] <sirvaliance> Is there a guide to setup ubuntu to comply with ISO 27001?
[22:56] <fungus184> do u know how to find out?
[22:57] <fungus184> typing in stuff people tell me to and than getting lost...
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> sirvaliance, Is this what you want. http://askubuntu.com/questions/94045/how-to-secure-ubuntu-server
[22:59] <jrib> fungus184: what's the output of: xdpyinfo | grep root
[22:59] <sirvaliance> wilee-nilee: I saw that but the answers seemed inconclusive
[22:59] <fungus184> thats what i typed!
[22:59] <fungus184> let me type it again
[22:59] <wilee-nilee> sirvaliance, Cool, never heard of it so just found that, best of luck. ;)
[22:59] <fungus184> whats the line between the 2 mean?
[22:59] <sirvaliance> wilee-nilee: Thanks :)
[22:59] <jrib> fungus184: i cannot see what you are seeing
[23:00] <jrib> fungus184: oh you mean the "|"?
[23:00] <fungus184> xdpyinfo and than that line before grep root
[23:00] <fungus184> yeah
[23:00] <jrib> fungus184: the pipe (|) sends the output from the first command to the input for the second command
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, The stack upgrade has to be a manual install in some situations.
[23:01] <aguitel> how remove gnome in 13.04 ?
[23:01] <fungus184> what does that mean
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, What is it you want in the end?
[23:02] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, install only mate
[23:02] <benbloom> I
[23:02] <fungus184> root window id:    0x71   depth of root window:    15 planes
[23:03] <ehhh> ok i really don't understand this dd stuff. . and i'm starting to ponder on either just running 12.04 and not upgrading (i might try though and set up drivers), or get hold of some dvd's to burn/order a installation dvd. . is 13.04 worth it over 13.04? i can probably wait for 13.10 before upgrading . .
[23:03] <ehhh> over 12.04 *
[23:03] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, Not sure you can, if it was a canonical DE you can remove any and have just one with a package list from here. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/
[23:03] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: "stack upgrade" is an ubuntu-ism...  kinda lame IMO.
[23:03] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Heh, ;)
[23:04] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, thanks for your help
[23:04] <fungus184> root window id:    0x71   depth of root window:    15 planes  so my depth is 15 which is way too low
[23:04] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/tag/pure-kubuntu/
[23:05] <jrib> fungus184: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and output of « lspci | grep -i vga »
[23:05] <wilee-nilee> I'm not exactly happy with the name ubuntu it is a misnomer and a theft from a multicultural system, zykotick9
[23:05] <fungus184> uh
[23:05] <fungus184> what do i enter
[23:06] <fungus184> the whole thing?
[23:06] <jrib> fungus184: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a file
[23:06] <niargh2> on 12.04, does apt-get install mysql-server install mysql or mariadb?
[23:06] <fungus184> k
[23:06] <ehhh> does anyone have an opinion whether i should get hold of 13.04 versus just running 12.04 untill 13.10 gets released then fresh install it?
[23:06] <zykotick9> jrib: sidenote: of hybrid ati/nvidia|intel cards, using "lspci -v | grep -i vga" is a lot more helpful, but you still have to ask - are two cards listed ;)
[23:07] <jrib> ehhh: why not just run 13.04 and then upgrade to 13.10 if that's what you want in the end
[23:07] <fungus184> what do i do with that file?
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> aguitel, Cool, that site has a lot of good stuff there.
[23:07] <fungus184> i know i probably sound like a complete retard
[23:07] <aguitel> wilee-nilee, yes
[23:07] <jrib> fungus184: just copy the contents to pastebin and give the link here
[23:07] <jrib> !pastebin | fungus184
[23:07] <niargh2> or, when running mysql -u root, how can I tell if mariadb or mysql is installed?
[23:07] <fungus184> im just that lost this is chinese to me
[23:08] <ehhh> jrib: my computer won't accept the usb stick so i need some dvd's to burn because i tried upgrading and it just always ends in peril
[23:08] <ehhh> i think on this computer i'm trying to install to i'll just have to live with fresh installs, or do what i really don't want to; run windaz
[23:09] <fungus184> so what am i doing
[23:09] <fungus184> pasting what
[23:09] <fungus184> wy depth is 15...
[23:09] <fungus184> root window id:    0x71   depth of root window:    15 planes
[23:10] <fungus184> tats what i got
[23:10] <jrib> fungus184: paste the contents of the file.
[23:10] <fungus184> ah
[23:10] <fungus184> k
[23:10] <ehhh> the computer is so old i dunno if it will actually need to be updated but i have no idea what kinda changes they make for every release of ubuntu. .
[23:10] <jrib> zykotick9: ok, thank you for that
[23:11] <fungus184> permision denied
[23:11] <jrib> fungus184: you need to give context
[23:11] <daniel__> hi, does s1 know how I can sort special chars like braces in ls first ?
[23:11] <fungus184> orie@linux:~$ /var/log/Xorg.0.log bash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: Permission denied
[23:11] <jrib> fungus184: you should open the file in a text editor (like gedit)
[23:12] <ehhh> so i'm wondering if i should just go with what works and run 12.04 or if there's good reason to keep up to date, it's gonna be a media center pc hooked up to my tv/stereo . .
[23:12] <fungus184> alright found the file
[23:13] <jrib> ehhh: the only reason to choose 13.04 instead of 12.04 is if you want more recent software
[23:13] <rappo> If i release code under GPL do I as the creator have to obey that license? Or is that license agreement only for users?
[23:13] <rypervenche> lol
[23:13] <SuperLag> Is there a way to find out which processes are using swap?
[23:14] <SuperLag> top only seems to tell you how much is used, but not which ones are using it
[23:14] <jrib> rappo: you can relicense however you wish...
[23:14] <zykotick9> rappo: try #fsf but as the owner, you can dual license (but if you give any to ubuntu - then no)
[23:14] <rypervenche> SuperLag: I think lsof could probably tell you.
[23:14] <rypervenche> SuperLag: Or you could remount your swap partition if you want to free it up.
[23:15] <ehhh> jrib: i don't think i'll be going much farther than music players like amarok, a video player like vlc/ xbmc, and firefox if i want to browse some on the big screen . . i'll probably also try out wine to see how well it runs some not too demanding games but that will probably just be to test it, i want to control it all with android phone/tablet so i can browse through my music library . .
[23:16] <rypervenche> ehhh: I use mocp for my music.
[23:16] <fungus184> god im sooo fucked every fuckin corner i go... cant upload that kind of file
[23:16] <jrib> ehhh: so just use 12.04 if that works for you
[23:16] <jrib> fungus184: please mind your language.  Just select the text in the file and copy it to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:16] <fungus184> fucked fucked and than fucked again
[23:17] <rypervenche> Say goodbye to fungus.
[23:17]  * jrib assumes fungus184 is on a very slow connection
[23:17] <fungus184> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5796974/
[23:17] <fungus184> there...
[23:17] <fungus184> ive been dealing with this for like 3 weeks
[23:17] <fungus184> its very aggrivating
[23:18] <zengr> Hello, is there a way for command inotifywait to wait for a file to complete download (say its a 10gb file) and tigger?
[23:18] <jrib> fungus184: now pastebin output of « lspci -v | grep -i vga »
[23:18] <fungus184> k
[23:18] <mrpizzaface> idk
[23:18] <ehhh> rypevenche: mocp looks nice and simple, can't find apps for it though
[23:19] <jrib> zengr: well the file will be opened by the file browser until it's done
[23:19] <fungus184> orie@linux:~$ lspci -v | grep -i vga 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[23:19] <jrib> erm, web browser
[23:20] <jrib> fungus184: this is the entire output?
[23:20] <fungus184> i guess
[23:20] <jrib> I don't know what that means
[23:20] <fungus184> i linked the other
[23:20] <mrpizzaface> im trying to get ubuntu 13.4 installed on a flash drive but i cant get the writing process to complete to make it a bootable disk yet it fails at 46% complete
[23:20] <fungus184> thats what i got from the second command
[23:20] <zengr>  jrib: No, it running on an AWS machine where I scp a file to it. Once the download is complete, I want to kick another job
[23:20] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  you may want to check the bios settings also. and be sure you have as much ram dedicated to the video card as you can give it.
[23:21] <zykotick9> mrpizzaface: (i'm sorry to suggest this) BUT, did you md5 check the iso image?
[23:21] <jrib> zengr: yeah, monitor for close_write
[23:21] <mrpizzaface> md5 ?
[23:21] <ehhh> so i won't lose too much using 12.04 until i can be bothered to fresh upgrade? i can imagine they've put good work into the gui to make it as smooth as possible in their updates
[23:21] <zengr>  jrib: That command is in inotifywait?
[23:21] <mrpizzaface> (im new to linux)
[23:22] <ehhh> like is 13.04 faster than 12.04 for example
[23:22] <zykotick9> !md5sum | mrpizzaface
[23:22] <zengr> Ah, got it
[23:22] <lordcirth> ehhh: it is a little faster
[23:22] <jrib> zengr: it's not a command, but it's an event you can watch for...
[23:22] <mrpizzaface> thanks
[23:22] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  theres going to be bigger  changes in the next releases ;)
[23:22] <LucidDreamZzZ> its faster?
[23:22] <fungus184> with all do respect is this getting me any closer to raising my color depth
[23:23] <LucidDreamZzZ> dunno nv 96 is installing this time
[23:23] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  if you have a low amount of memory dedicated to your video card - it may be using a lower depth.
[23:23] <ehhh> sounds like i'll just have to brace myself :P
[23:23] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  ive not seen color depth issues in years.
[23:23] <fungus184> there is no setting in bios vor video
[23:23] <zengr>  jrib: This didn't work. inotifywait -e create -e close_write /tmp/dump/ && rm /tmp/dump/hello
[23:23] <fungus184> for
[23:23] <fungus184> tried that last night
[23:23] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  but this is a 10 yr old laptop? if i rember right
[23:24] <fungus184> yeah
[23:24] <fungus184> i got a gig of ram... i know thats not alot
[23:24] <Dr_willis> its possible  its some odd/old hardware limitation also.
[23:24] <fungus184> but for this com should be fine
[23:24] <jrib> zengr: ?
[23:25] <mrpizzaface> ubottu i gave me the code 8d72e2db7e72e13813731eab37a14d26
[23:25] <zengr>  jrib: I tried to listen to the event, it didn't wait for the file to download. inotifywait -e create -e close_write /tmp/dump/ I am downloading a file in /tmp/dump
[23:25] <fungus184> i keep getting told its odd but that chipset is in ALOT of computers
[23:25] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: fyi, nv WAS actually the name of the nvidia open source driver for many years, so saying "nv 96" doesn't make much sense, when you really mean "nvidia 96" -- that's a really old driver BTW, best of luck (you'll probably need it)
[23:25] <giwrgaras> my ubuntu 13.04 crash and diet without any reason
[23:25] <jrib> zengr: what does -e create do?
[23:25] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  it gave me the code 8d72e2db7e72e13813731eab37a14d26
[23:25] <zengr> listening for a file to be created
[23:26] <LucidDreamZzZ> good point was nv the binary?
[23:26] <giwrgaras> crashed*
[23:26] <LucidDreamZzZ> or you saying that was the open sourced one?
[23:26] <jrib> zengr: is that what you want...?  I use something like this: inotifywait -mr --timefmt '%d/%m/%y %H:%M' --format '%T %w %f' -e close_write /my/fav/dir | while read date time dir file; do
[23:26] <zykotick9> mrpizzaface: compare that with what is't suppose to be... !md5sums i think.
[23:26] <fungus184> jesus h christ i just wanna raise the color depth i am 100% positive that this can be done
[23:26] <zykotick9> !md5sums | mrpizzaface
[23:27] <giwrgaras> lol linux ease of use
[23:27] <jrib> fungus184: be patient
[23:27] <zengr>  jrib: Thanks! I will try that out, got to go now
[23:27] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9: ok lemme check the flash drive
[23:27] <fungus184> kk
[23:27] <erek> what package has "klauncher" in it?
[23:27] <jrib> !find klauncher
[23:28] <jrib> that seems not right ;)
[23:28] <erek> that's not right
[23:28] <zykotick9> lol, i would have bet a million dollars it was in kde something (for klauncher)
[23:28] <LucidDreamZzZ> ok right nv was the open sourced one hehe i mixed up been a while
[23:28] <erek> root@ubuntu:/home/erek/frei0r-plugins-1.4# apt-cache search klauncher
[23:28] <erek> xfce4-goodies - enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
[23:28] <erek> xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin - rapid launcher plugin for the Xfce4 panel
[23:28] <jrib> erek: do you know the name of the binary for it?
[23:28] <erek> yup
[23:28] <erek> klauncher
[23:28] <jrib> it might be something like kde-launcher, etc?
[23:29] <jrib> erek: you can start it by typing "klauncher" in a terminal?
[23:29] <erek> the binary is simply "klauncher"
[23:29] <erek> nod
[23:29] <erek> somehow it disappeared
[23:29] <erek> kdenlive crashed
[23:29] <erek> and somehow a lost klauncher
[23:29] <LucidDreamZzZ> i blacklisted nouveau before running the software update center and nvidia 96 is going somehow
[23:29] <jrib> erek: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which klauncher))
[23:29] <jrib> erek: so you don't have it?
[23:30] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: installing nvidia propritary-anything, "should" have blacklisted nouveau BTW
[23:30] <erek> dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which klauncher))
[23:30] <erek> says, readlink missing operand
[23:30] <LucidDreamZzZ> ok i will double check in modules.d
[23:30] <jrib> erek: because you don't have klauncher
[23:31] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: what card is this specifically?  "lspci | grep -i vga" if unsure.
[23:31] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  i guess i had a problem with me removing the drive
[23:31] <LucidDreamZzZ> er where was i hmm
[23:31] <erek> jrib: do you have any ideas?
[23:32] <jrib> erek: you can try « dpkg -S klauncher » but my guess is that either klauncher came from an old package or from a package not in the default repositories
[23:32] <LucidDreamZzZ> modprobe.d there might be nvidia file in there
[23:32] <yofun> Ok. Question. I installed zpanel on my server. Im haveing a bunch of issues with postfix. im running ubuntu 12.10  and the installer is for 12.04. so could most of my issues because of wrong server versions?
[23:32] <krabador> how can i search a file in command line
[23:32] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: nvidia != nouveau.  just sayin'
[23:32] <jrib> krabador: grep will search the contents of a file.  grep pattern file
[23:32] <krabador> on / and subdirectories?
[23:33] <erek> kdelibs5-dev: /usr/include/klauncher_iface.h
[23:33] <jrib> krabador: do you want to search filenames or file contents?
[23:33] <zykotick9> krabador: "find / -iname foo" is one way.
[23:33] <lhx> So has unity gotten any better? I use ubuntu on a headless server; stopped using the desktop when they went Unity and went over to Mint. Is it worth trying out Ubunutu with unity again? Or just stick to my minty ways or Kubuntu ways?
[23:33] <erek> kdelibs5-dev is already the newest version.
[23:33] <jrib> lhx: try it and use what  you like
[23:33] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  how long should it take to make the bootloader ?
[23:33] <erek> jrib: it referenced kdelibs5-dev, but that's already installed
[23:34] <jrib> erek: well that's just some header file
[23:34] <zykotick9> mrpizzaface: "make the bootloader" i have no idea what that means...
[23:34] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  it says Installing the BootLoader
[23:34] <yofun> Ok. Question. I installed zpanel on my server. Im haveing a bunch of issues with postfix. im running ubuntu 12.10  and the installer is for 12.04. so could most of my issues because of wrong server versions? (my server being ubuntu 12.10. when the installer is for ubuntu 12.04)
[23:34] <LucidDreamZzZ> zykotick9, thanks yeah i had it working iirc in 12.04 its a ti4600
[23:34] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  oh nvm it is done
[23:34] <reisio> zrain in spain
[23:36] <jrib> erek: what ubuntu version by the way?
[23:36] <lordcirth> lhx: I like Mint better than Ubuntu w/Unity. Faster and less toy-like interface.  Kubuntu is great, too, but not much faster.
[23:36] <erek> raring or precies, jrib
[23:38] <reisio> impossible to like Ubuntu more than Ubuntu :p
[23:39] <jrib> erek: you might try #kubuntu, but my guess is that it's some outdated binary that you had installed (I'm seeing a man page for klauncher in gutsy but not in raring)
[23:39] <lhx> lordcirth: That's what I was thinking. Which kind of Mint? I'm still using the gnome2 version (can't remember what they call it)
[23:39] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: are you sure the ti4600 uses the 96 driver?  like really sure?  'cause that's OLD by modern standards... best of luck!
[23:40] <LucidDreamZzZ> yeah i think it it the 96 series and it is kinda buggy at that
[23:40] <isomorphismes> hi, I installed a ppa (for "uberwriter") and I can't find where the executable is. I tried `which uberwriter` and nothing shows up. Using `dpkg -l` uberwriter does in fact show up as installed. Where are PPA's normally installed? It's not in /usr/bin.
[23:41] <reisio> isomorphismes: dpkg -L uberwriter | grep bin
[23:41] <reisio> probably /opt/ if it's something silly
[23:41] <isomorphismes> reisio: thank you! It was in /opt. Although I thought that's the appropriate place for such things?
[23:42] <dwxreaper> man heir, I'm not sure, but that's a cool command
[23:42] <reisio> isomorphismes: for things that are closed source, yeah
[23:42] <isomorphismes> I have been installing all my github stuff &c to /opt/ since I read more about the linux filesystem structure. (previously I had been using ~/dev which now seems much less appropriate)
[23:42] <reisio> isomorphismes: would probably use ~/local/ or something
[23:42] <LucidDreamZzZ> zykotick9, it doesnt work in text mode or something i need to fix...
[23:42] <zykotick9> isomorphismes: wait, you have a DEB install something in /opt?  really?  are you SURE?
[23:44] <woosh> So we're in agreement that System76 is okay, right?
[23:44] <jrib> fungus184: yeah, I don't really see anyone having that issue.  Are you sure you're not being thrown into failsafe X or something?
[23:44] <reisio> woosh: right
[23:44] <woosh> K
[23:45] <reisio> woosh: although they're more expensive
[23:45] <reisio> probably just because they do much lower volume
[23:45] <reisio> volume of sales*
[23:45] <woosh> Reisio: One can't hardly blame them for that.
[23:45] <reisio> indeed
[23:46] <reisio> and honestly
[23:46] <reisio> I wouldn't blame a person for paying an extra $100 or so just to avoid entirely the stink of Windows :p
[23:46] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: if you use nvidia-propritary then linux-console are going to be messed up as far as resolution (but do you mean "black screen"?).  the resolution is the penalty for using nvidia (btw, you can get decent resolution in linux-console with nvidia - somehow...).  if you have black linux-console, and you installed the driver from nvidia.com (then that is YOUR penalty for not using ubuntu drivers).
[23:48] <usercheck_> how active https?, when im use in url (firefox) it is can't.
[23:48] <usercheck_> how to active https?, when im use in url (firefox) it is can't.but if http ,it can.
[23:48] <mnemon> usercheck_: that doesn't make any sense
[23:49] <OerHeks> usercheck_, then the site has no certificates to start a https connection.
[23:50] <a-adie> I'm having trouble playing my porn videos
[23:50] <a-adie> they worked fine in windows
[23:50] <a-adie> What do I do
[23:51] <usercheck_> mnemon, make any sense?, can give me synonim of that words. i'm sorry
[23:51] <tyrog> a-adie: stop watching them for example
[23:51] <a-adie> ...
[23:51] <a-adie> tyrog, if you aren't g-going to help, then stfu
[23:51] <xangua> !language | a-adie
[23:52] <tyrog> a-adie: behave
[23:52] <a-adie> well don't treat me like that
[23:52] <Nemanja> kurac
[23:52] <Nemanja> picka
[23:52] <Nemanja> sisa
[23:52] <Nemanja> Serbian in Kosovo
[23:52] <usercheck_> oerheks: we must make certificates?soft certificate or hard ?
[23:53] <mnemon> a-adie: go to terminal and type sudo k-kill -9 -1
[23:53] <a-adie> oh look
[23:53] <zykotick9> mnemon: ".. k-kill .." what is that?
[23:53] <a-adie> someone giving i-improper a-advice
[23:53] <usercheck_> oerheks: how to configure it certificates?
[23:53] <benbloom> a-adie: what video format are they? (PS- you might get more help just saying that they're vids not specifically porn)
[23:53] <langhun> rm `ls | grep 1`   equal  ls | grep 1   ?   rm
[23:53] <a-adie> .mkv mostly
[23:53] <IdleOne> !serbian | Nemanja
[23:53] <tyrog> a-adie: use VLC
[23:53] <mnemon> zykotick9: joke ... probably a bad one.
[23:53] <langhun> what is  ?
[23:53] <Nemanja> e hvala
[23:53] <Nemanja> hvala
[23:54] <isomorphismes> zykotick9: That's what the PPA did automatically.
[23:54] <usercheck_> a-adie for be a programmer it is not good for our brain.
[23:54] <zykotick9> isomorphismes: and PPAs are unsupported in #ubuntu, FOR A REASON ;)
[23:55] <OerHeks> usercheck_, look at the server guide > https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/httpd.html#https-configuration
[23:55] <langhun> hello  every
[23:55] <usercheck_> OerHeks:thx, i will learn it sir
[23:55] <OerHeks> usercheck_, and about certificates > https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/certificates-and-security.html  have fun !
[23:56] <langhun> rm `ls | grep 1`  equal  ls | grep 1   ?   rm
[23:56] <langhun> what is  ?
[23:56] <mmercer> anyone know the frequency that upstart checks for running processes if youre using upstart to keep a process going (a daemon restart if it fails for instance )
[23:56] <mnemon> usercheck_: are you trying to use https on your own webserver or someone on some site in the internet?
[23:56] <usercheck_> OerHeks:yes,yhx sir
[23:56] <mnemon> -someone
[23:56] <reisio> langhun: use find
[23:56] <reisio> langhun: find . -iname '*1*'
[23:56] <reisio> langhun: find . -iname '*1*' -delete, etc.
[23:56] <OerHeks> mnemon, i understood external site too, but he wants to manage his own server
[23:57] <usercheck_> mnemon: just in my browser not server
[23:57] <OerHeks> oh ..
[23:58] <mnemon> usercheck_: what site are you trying to access? does https://encrypted.google.com work?
[23:58] <a-adie> thank you
[23:58] <a-adie> v-vlc makes my porn w-work
[23:58] <langhun> i want to rm 1  that name is 1
[23:58] <langhun> i forget what is  the sign  ?
[23:59] <langhun> i am  a new user with liunxx
[23:59] <usercheck_> mnemon: its not work
[23:59] <ehhh> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[23:59] <mnemon> usercheck_: what does it say?