[00:00] I'm not a native speaker but Installing sounds kind of strange to me [00:01] Riddell: How does one access qa.kubuntu.co.uk? [00:14] Quintasan: change Installing to Installation? [03:08] So... quiet... [03:33] Anybody know anything about CUnit? [03:34] I'm having a super-fun time with the test suite runner giving me error code 20 but error message saying "No error" [03:34] manchicken: Did you mail the Debian maintainer? [03:34] Not yet. [03:34] You were totally right about the version. [03:34] That's better than it was doing yesterday, right? [03:34] I was kinda banking on the off-chance that someone had pre-existing familiarity with the package :) [03:35] Yes [03:35] Yesterday it was segfaulting. [03:35] Turns out that was a incompatibility in readlink in OS X and GNU/Linux :) [03:35] My fault on that one :) [03:35] Happens. [03:35] Yup. [03:36] I guess I'll have to email the maintainer. [03:38] hey ScottK [03:38] quick q: who is the Kubuntu project leader currently? [03:38] is it Riddell? [03:39] Yes, although we don't really have a single leader. It's the Kubuntu Council as a collective. [03:39] gotcha [03:39] From a "product manager" perspective he's it and I'm the assistant. [03:39] of course [03:39] thanks [03:49] ScottK: Oh, you've been promoted since last I was around? [03:49] :) [03:49] Tenure eventually pays off. [03:50] Big pay raise, too, I imagine? :) [03:50] Double. [03:50] Hot damn. [03:50] Two times nothing is still nothing ... [03:51] Quick! What's the hotkey similar to alt-tab for activities? [03:51] Don't use activities. No idea. [03:51] I know Meta+Tab cycles, but I want to be able to return to previous [03:51] Weak. [03:51] I'm going to complain and demand you get at least a 5% pay cut. [03:52] Hey, I just package this stuff. Using it something else. [03:54] Yeah... there are a lot of packages. [03:55] Have you seen the list lately? [03:56] One does not simply "see" the list of packages. [03:56] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph [03:56] No, one has to have a diagram. [03:56] Quassel is badass. [03:56] Any IRC client which prefetches web pages for me is by definition badass. Just saying. [03:57] PerlKDE? That sounds nice. [03:57] I'll just caution you though that quassel uses QtWebKit which has a list of unfixed CVEs as long as your arm. [03:57] So I wouldn't use it for untrusted content. [03:58] Yeah, I just use it for things that people post into IRC, what could go wrong? [03:58] This is interesting. You know the tickbox to reverse scrolling in the mouse settings? [03:58] It doesn't seem to apply for horizontal scrolling. [03:58] D'oh! [03:59] You have been using a Mac. [03:59] After giving a second thought to your metion of CVEs... I've disabled pre-loading of web pages in Quassel. Thanks a lot. [04:00] Yes, yes I have. [04:01] Actually, I think Firefox is the only web browser in the archive to be well enough maintained from a security POV to be usable. [04:03] Yeah... I use Chrome since I sync my stuff all over the place. [04:05] Riddell: yep, though it could be trivially ported to any other sql database [04:14] ScottK: I'm gonna try building the latest CUnit and see if that fixes this problem. [04:14] OK. Good luck. [04:14] I was running the latest on my Mac, and it was working. [04:14] I don't know why I'm telling you... I suppose I just thought you needed the closure :) [04:14] If it does, you can maybe send the Debian maintainer a diff. [04:15] People always tell me shit I don't need to know. At least you didn't tell me anything actively unpleasant or likely to interfere with my sleep. [04:16] I can fix that if you want. [04:16] I've got children, I'm sure I could come up with something gross enough to meet that threshold. [04:17] Hot... damn... [04:17] That worked. [04:17] I had to ldconfig afterward... but that worked. [04:17] Look at me, contributing to the problems [04:18] Now let's see if I remember how to submit a bug in LP. [04:29] This is a Debian package, does that mean I need to go to Debian to report this? [04:29] It's better if you do. [04:29] I have three kids, so my threshold is probably higher than you think. [04:30] I also have three kids. [04:30] We should get a six pack and go rounds. [04:34] Tell you what, I'll give you my two in college along with the tuition payments. [04:39] Don't worry, I've got a 5, 2, and 6mo old... I'll be punished soon enough. [04:42] Sweet. [04:42] This thing is breaking across the board, even with a very simple test. [04:43] I like it when I feel like I'm submitting a very easily replicable bug. [04:54] Hopefully this works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cunit/+bug/1194351 [04:54] Launchpad bug 1194351 in cunit (Ubuntu) "CU_basic_show_failures() fails to properly run tests" [Undecided,New] [05:32] ScottK, ping [05:32] tvoss_: pong [05:33] (note I'm in -0400, so I won't be awake long) [05:33] ScottK, yeah :) [05:33] ScottK, so do you have an eta for kubuntu-desktop in saucy? would like to give it a spin on XMir [05:34] That depends on how the test build for kde4libs infinity is doing right now goes. [05:34] If it goes well and he uploads, about 24 hours or a little less. [05:39] ScottK: wasn't kde4libs forced from -proposed? [05:40] It was, but the rest of the stack won't migrate without also being forced. [05:40] oh [05:40] Every singe 4.10.80 package is out of date on armhf. [05:40] single [05:41] Laney had the bright idea of building against gcc-4.7 on armhf for now and infinity is giving it a try. [05:44] ScottK, okay, I will poke infinity, too :) thx [05:45] Most of that time is getting the rest of the stack to build. [05:46] bah :( [06:00] shadeslayer: kde4libs is uploaded. I'm off to sleep as it's getting close to 2AM here and I have to be ~conherent for meetings tomorrow. Please keep an eye on it and if it finishes that rdepends start building. [06:00] sure [06:01] I can't do alot though, no computer [06:02] If you have a web browser you can retry stuff if needed. [06:02] http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu [06:02] yep [06:08] as long as that is all that is needed [06:10] good morning [06:11] should be [06:11] * ScottK --> sleep [06:28] yofel, i tried yesterday to upgrade my desktop to 4.10.80 and now my system is totally broken :) [06:33] soee: saucy ? [06:33] no no, raring [06:35] define broken [06:36] well i think some parts of kubuntu desktop were not installed or removed (forgot to check complete raport after upgrade), so after reeboot i had no widnow decorations, effects etc. when i tried to install kubuntu-desktop it says that there are dependency problems with workspaces, kde-widnow-manager etc [06:37] i used ppa-purge to revert changes [06:37] it failed at first time, after second it started to work, but something goes wrong and all my kde-* packages were removed [06:38] now i have only access to command line, but can't make my wifi to work [06:38] so i cant download and install kde again :< [06:41] soee: do you have a LiveDVD/USB you can use? [06:41] valorie, well not but its not a problem, i cean create one on my laptop [06:42] fresh install might be easier than fixing a borked upgrade [06:42] quicker too [06:42] to easy [06:42] :) [06:43] well, if nothing else, you can use the live media to chroot in and fix [06:43] i broke it so i have to fix it [06:43] that's the spirit [06:43] ill try later when i get home [06:55] just use wpa supplicant to connect ? [07:20] shadeslayer, can you explain ? [07:20] "use wpa supplicant to" [07:22] soee: wpa supplicant is a tool to connect to wireless wpa networks [07:22] from command line ? [07:26] yes [07:26] just search for instructions on the internet [07:38] shadeslayer, can you look: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant this will work for me ? [07:40] yep [08:18] soee: that... shouldn't happen, but kubuntu-desktop is certainly installable here. When you get the system working again please pastebin your history.log [09:02] shadeslayer, Quintasan: any objections to me finally killing off the precise and quantal builds that are still running for neon? I'm getting too many build failures for those lately to still consider them consistent and usable [09:12] Quintasan: ask me nicely [09:20] yofel, ok ill check it later [09:24] yofel: sure go ahead [10:32] kubotu: newversion simon 0.4.1 [10:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194441 [10:32] Riddell, you are the maintainer, and upstream complains about packaging:P [10:34] uh oh [10:35] Riddell: i have downloaded kubuntu torrent and dont know what to do next [10:35] smartboyhw: what's he complaining about? [10:35] AshishL: ask in #kubuntu [10:37] Riddell, uh hum However, one small thing: Many packages (the ones for Ubuntu and [10:37] OpenSUSE, for example) omitted some key data files from the final [10:37] packages (prompts files, general scenario, etc.) without which Simon [10:37] 0.4.0 "crashes" immediately after startup (i.e., shows a fatal error and [10:37] quits). [10:37] :P [10:57] smartboyhw: so fancy packaging that? [10:57] Riddell, nope;P (Since the maintainer is set to you:P) [11:02] smartboyhw: we have no maintainers in ubuntu [11:03] Riddell, I thought you are (according to Launchpad) [11:05] smartboyhw: the field is there because of our debian heritage but it doesn't mean anything [11:05] Riddell, oh. [11:09] Riddell, I will try to... [11:14] kde4libs compiled on arm, everyone hug infinity [11:14] Riddell, :) [11:48] qt really doesn't like me -.- [11:49] who wouldn't like you? [11:53] you're not qt enough [12:03] Riddell: Howdy [12:05] it's... manchicken! [12:05] Hiyas all [12:05] It is :) [12:06] manchicken: what OS are you using these days? [12:06] Kubuntu again :) [12:06] And Windows 7 & 8, and OS X. [12:06] So, all of 'em? [12:06] Also HP-UX and Solaris, but as sparingly as possible. [12:06] which is the best? [12:07] And I don't so much as use them but actively avoid them with intermittent failure to do so. [12:07] None of 'em! [12:07] heh [12:07] I hate computers. [12:07] I'm trying to fix that, which is why I came back to Kubuntu. [12:08] I'll have you know that Kubuntu and Ubuntu both worked out of the box with my sexy new touchscreen ASUS ultrabook. [12:08] I haven't had to fight with a driver once since I set up the install. [12:09] libcunit, on the other had, I submitted a bug for that last night. [12:09] I had to remember how to do things in LP. It was nice. [12:09] I talk a lot. [12:10] * shadeslayer hasn't seen manchicken before today [12:11] shadeslayer: I haven't been around much since my first kid was born around 2008. [12:12] * manchicken says around 2008 when he means exactly 2008. [12:12] that would've been before my time as well ^^, nice to meet you [12:13] Likewise. [12:13] Riddell: You know, I still get Adept bugs emailed to me? [12:14] yep, before my time, welcome back and nice to meet you :) [12:14] lol [12:17] * BluesKaj was around , but not in devel [12:19] I mainly decided to come play in the sandbox again because I can't get no satisfaction between 9 and 5. [12:21] I'm a programmer who mainly does data fixes. It's kinda sad. [12:21] I have got to figure out how to tweak this touchpad so that my thumbs don't scroll while I type. [12:22] manchicken, why do you hate computers? [12:23] Nice to meet you BTW:) [12:23] manchicken: what does the touchscreen let you do? gestures or just mouse pointer? [12:24] smartboyhw: Because I am a wage slave, forced to do boring and terrible things with them at work. [12:24] Riddell: Very application specific. [12:24] Riddell: Surprisingly enough, Windows 8 makes shockingly good use of it. On Ubuntu for the most part it's a pointer device. [12:25] Riddell: I keep on seeing whispers of more sophisticated gesture support, but I can't actually find it. [12:25] Riddell, who should I set the new Maintainer: field in debian/control to? Kubuntu Developers or ? [12:26] smartboyhw: yes [12:28] Riddell: Do you have anything interesting going on that I could help with? [12:31] I turned off edge scrolling, that should help. [12:31] For multi-touch trackpads that should probably be off by default. [12:36] manchicken: take your pick https://trello.com/kubuntu [12:37] Don't mind if I do. [12:39] manchicken: plenty of things in ubiquity if you're into python [12:39] testing that user manager would be good [12:39] Riddell: I can get into python. [12:40] Is there a TP already? [12:40] manchicken: a TP? [12:40] test plan [12:40] I love tasks like "systemsettings package is rubbish" [12:40] heh [12:40] manchicken: nope, making one would be good [12:41] I think that one was an apachelogger one, not sure what's wrong with it [12:41] if you like python, plz write more autopilot tests [12:42] I'm not yet proficient in Python, though I would be happy to pick up Python. [12:42] shadeslayer: Is this something you do a bit of? [12:43] yes, I started writing some tests before my machine died [12:43] https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/autopilot [12:43] shadeslayer: Do you just chroot to run the tests, or do you have a separate machine for the tests? [12:43] Riddell: reading the description helps [12:43] manchicken: I just run those locally for now [12:44] its just ui testing, so its fine to run them locally [12:45] I like automated testing. [12:45] I submitted a bug against libcunit last night even. [12:45] :) [12:47] shadeslayer: When are you normally on? [12:47] (incl tz) [12:47] GMT +0530 [12:47] normal sleep patterns and shadeslayer do not really correlate [12:47] and depends on my sleep cycle :p [12:48] +0530? [12:48] these days its normal though, I get up by 9ish [12:48] India? [12:48] yep [12:49] Okay, cool. That's the only country I was aware of with a 30 minute interval in timezone. I'm probably wrong in general, but it's the only one I was aware of. [12:49] I'm american, you see, so I'm entitled to my ignorance :) [12:50] manchicken: haha [12:50] So I'm probably going to be on again around 2100 UTC-0500 [12:50] I need to go to work and sell my soul a little bit more. [12:51] Later all. [12:54] Newfoundland Standard Time also has a 30 minute interval and is UTC-0330 [12:55] ^_^ [13:01] Riddell: Can I get access please? :) [13:01] yofel: None, kill them with fire [13:02] good, disabled them. I'll wipe them from the ppa over the weekend after posting a status update. [13:02] Quintasan: sure, what username and ssh key? [13:03] yofel: what's this? [13:03] Riddell: talking about old neon builds [13:03] (precise and quantal were still there) [13:03] oh aye, kill them [13:03] Dependency graph is now new and improved (even more complicated) [13:03] Riddell: check query [13:04] I left them running to get an idea on the backportability of 4.11. [13:08] kubotu: newversion kscreen 1.0.0 [13:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194491 [13:09] ^ That and simon 0.4.1 update to me;) [13:11] new kscreen, yay [13:11] kubotu: newversion libkscreen 1.0.0 [13:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194495 [13:11] ^ Didn't realize that, that to me too:P [13:12] yofel, how many guys have tested 4.10.4 in raring-proposed to let it through? [13:13] probably... two? (scott and me). Still need to comment on the bug though. [13:14] and bug 1193631 is unreproducable :S [13:14] bug 1193631 in Kubuntu PPA "Konqueror is the default file manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193631 [13:14] mm goody, more bits of 4.10.80 arriving in saucy-release [13:15] happens to Myriam and me on my work notebook here, but not in any VM I set up -_- [13:19] W: simon: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libsimonactions0 libsimonactionsui0 libsimonappcore0 libsimoncontextadapter0 libsimoncontextcoreui0 libsimoncontextdetection0 libsimoncontextui0 libsimonddatabaseaccess0 libsimondialogengine0 libsimondialogengineconfui0 libsimondialogenginegraphicalview0 libsimondialogenginettsview0 libsimondstreamer0 libsimongraphemetophoneme0 libsimoninfo0 libsimonjsonconnector0 libsimonlogging0 libsimon [13:19] modelcompilation0 libsimonmodelmanagementui0 libsimonmodeltest0 libsimonprogresstracking0 libsimonrecognitioncontrol0 libsimonrecognitionresult0 libsimonrecognizer0 libsimonsampleshare4 libsimonscenariobase0 libsimonscenarios0 libsimonscenarioui0 libsimonsound0 libsimontts0 libsimonuicomponents0 libsimonutils0 libsimonvision0 libsimonwav0 libsimonxml0 libsscdaccess4 libsscobjects0 [13:20] Em, am I supposed to do ALL these libraries!? [13:20] lol [13:20] That takes a long time... [13:20] not really [13:20] yofel, ? [13:20] * smartboyhw should have done kscreen first;P [13:20] only libs that have headers shipped for them need seperate lib packages [13:21] (sure, using one-lib-per-package would be cleaner, but usually it's not worth the time) [13:22] smartboyhw: nah, nothing else links against those libraries so it's fine to put them all in together [13:22] Riddell, ah. [13:24] Riddell: For pykde4 it says: Ignoring block request by jriddell, due to unblock request by jriddell - you can probably drop your hints now. [13:25] smartboyhw: Did you read mail from kde-packagers regarding Simon? [13:25] Quintasan, I did. [13:25] Good then. [13:27] Oh my god.. [13:27] ScottK: I have dropped my hints, but we still need the block for alpha 1 packages, and I manually unblock anything we want through [13:27] The --list-missing is HUGE. [13:27] Riddell: Right. Forgot about that. [13:27] I take it back then. [13:28] To give you guys an idea: http://paste.kde.org/782240/ (468 lines:O) [13:28] * smartboyhw vomites [13:28] Need to push all of KDE through. [13:28] s/vomites/vomits/ [13:28] smartboyhw meant: "vomits" [13:28] smartboyhw: usr/include/ and usr/lib/lib*so fine to ignore [13:28] smartboyhw: the stuff in /usr/share we probably want [13:29] for lib*so just make sure all of that are actually symlinks [13:30] yofel, some aren't it seems. [13:30] 4. [13:31] you'll need those then (and complain to upstream about not using library versioning or something like /usr/lib/simon/) [13:33] :O [13:34] libraries growing like fungus [13:34] Riddell: I just added an unblock for all the sip4 related stuff, so you should just have to unblock KDE 4.10.80 stuff you want in. [13:34] someone should tell peter that making many tiny libraries is a terrible idea from a performance POV :S [13:37] apachelogger: You can do it :P [13:37] I am building amarok! [13:37] while downloading qt5 sources! [13:37] If only apachelogger hadn't been deficient in minion recruiting. [13:38] apachelogger: So while both those things are doing pls write a mail [13:38] last I checked both shadeslayer and Quintasan failed to get their own minions! [13:38] Right, so it comes back to recruiting low quality minions on your part. [13:38] ... [13:38] ehueheuheuheuheuehue [13:38] ScottK: lovely [13:39] apachelogger: Less typing on IRC would make you already done with the email [13:39] I also rescored pimlibs/activities/nepomuk stuff to get it built so we can start our way up the stack. [13:39] ScottK: ! [13:39] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQt4::QtWebKit :( [13:40] yofel, actually wait, what lintian warning will it show if those libraries aren't symlinks? [13:40] uh, I don't know if there is one for that [13:40] smartboyhw: probably none [13:40] meh. [13:41] dpkg-shlibdeps will complain about not being able to extract the version from the file though [13:41] I think I mistaken library-not-linked-against-libc for that. [13:41] yofel, hmm no then. There is one complaining about not found ones. [13:41] (I think) [13:41] well, that tells you too that you're missing soething :P [13:41] *something [13:44] pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: input symbol file template must have 'SymbolsHelper-Confirmed' header [13:44] ? [13:45] read a correct symbols file [13:45] there's a certain format to be followed [13:45] * apachelogger certainly formats shadeslayer [13:46] mmmm .. ext4 me baby [13:47] shadeslayer, huh? My symbols file IS correct... [13:47] no its not [13:47] shadeslayer, I have that header. [13:47] For sure. [13:48] then why is pkgkde-symbolshelper whining ? :p [13:48] shadeslayer, /me dunno, [13:48] maybe you're looking at the wrong symbols file ? [13:48] Actually, I fresh-generated it using pkgkde-gensymbols. [13:48] shadeslayer, :O [13:48] there are multiple symbols files [13:48] shadeslayer, no. [13:48] * smartboyhw confirms. [13:48] one for each library [13:49] shadeslayer, that's for libkscreen1. And I'm sure I got it correct. [13:49] pastebin it [13:49] Actually, there are two lines before it. [13:49] Use of uninitialized value $line in scalar chop at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/PkgKde/SymbolsHelper/SymbolFile.pm line 44. [13:49] Use of uninitialized value $line in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/PkgKde/SymbolsHelper/SymbolFile.pm line 45. [13:49] ... [13:49] 0.o [13:50] shadeslayer, the original symbols: http://paste.kde.org/782264/ [13:50] Ah wait. [13:51] smartboyhw: simon-data.install looks wrong in the copy of simon I have [13:51] Riddell, there IS no simon-data package. [13:51] shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/782276/ (the patch) [13:51] Weird thing though. [13:52] smartboyhw: right, so there should be no simon-data.install [13:53] Riddell, yeah. [13:53] Meh, tomorrow's dummy report sheet distribution. [13:53] * smartboyhw hopes to stay in Top 6 to receive scholarship for the next year (Form 4). [13:54] not sure if you need symbols for those libs ? [13:54] shadeslayer, O.o [13:55] * smartboyhw checks [13:55] do those .so's install some corresponding header files ? [13:55] libkscreen (0.0.92-0ubuntu2) saucy; urgency=low [13:55] * Add a symbols file [13:55] -- Rohan Garg Wed, 08 May 2013 15:38:03 +0100 [13:55] ! [13:55] :> [13:55] shadeslayer: doesn't matter whether you need them or not, as long as they're shipped in libkscreen1.install they'll show up in the symbol diff [13:56] yofel: yeah but if we don't need them, we can ignore them ? [13:56] shadeslayer, you added it yourself. [13:56] well, you'll always have a symbol diff during build then [13:56] And now you're telling me we don't actually need it:O [13:56] * smartboyhw is perplexed. [13:57] smartboyhw: no, check if there are new header files [13:57] smartboyhw: and if they correspond to the new symbols [13:58] shadeslayer, the patch: The files do exist. [13:58] You know, http://paste.kde.org/782276/ [13:58] yofel: yeah ofcourse [13:58] ... [13:59] maybe I am not explaining this properly [13:59] also, tiresome to type on a phone [13:59] shadeslayer, you're on phone!/ [13:59] ? [13:59] yes [13:59] don't have a computer [14:00] what you could do ofc. would be to make a libkscreen-bin or libkscreen-runtime and move those 2 SO's there [14:01] Hello [14:01] but I would just add the symbols for those by hand to the file and hope they never change ^^ [14:01] and greetings [14:01] Hi @ll [14:01] hi HansImGlueck [14:01] yofel, heh [14:01] (that's what I did for libkdegamesprivate) [14:02] yofel, oh:P [14:04]